QuoteTheRaven83 Posted April 23, 2018 Share Posted April 23, 2018 The way I see it is that the Bills and Giants have a trade in place ONLY IF Darnold is taken by the Browns. If Darnold falls to the Giants, the Giants are taking him. If the Browns take him number 1, i think the Giants are going to pull the trigger on the trade with the Bills. Just a hunch. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4thandGoal Posted April 23, 2018 Share Posted April 23, 2018 7 minutes ago, Bills Pimpin' said: March 17th 9:00am Beane calls Ballard: Beane: I'll give you our 21st, 22nd and 65th for your 3rd. Ballard: Hmmm. Give me 5 minutes March 17th 9:05am Ballard calls Maccagnan: Ballard: I've got a decent offer from another team, but we really want to stay in the top 10. What can you offer? Maccagnan: I'll give our 6th, 37th, 49th and next years 2nd rounder, which should be around 35. Ballard: Silence.... more silence... "Where do I sign?" March 17th 9:10am Ballard calls Beane: Ballard: I got a really good deal... Here's what I will need for you to match, Your 21st, 22nd, 53rd, 65th and next years 1st rounder. Beane: Silence... more silence... *click* Yep. Beanes fault. And Beane then made the right move.. No way will i give up that much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HiddenInLight Posted April 23, 2018 Share Posted April 23, 2018 Or maybe Beane already had a deal in place with the Giants. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CuddyDark Posted April 23, 2018 Author Share Posted April 23, 2018 1 minute ago, Epstein's Mother said: I don't want a GM who listens to the fans. Neither do I. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bills Pimpin' Posted April 23, 2018 Share Posted April 23, 2018 Just now, 4thandGoal said: And Beane then made the right move.. No way will i give up that much. I agree completely, the last line is sarcasm.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shaw66 Posted April 23, 2018 Share Posted April 23, 2018 4 minutes ago, CuddyDark said: I disagree with this as I've said twice. I'm saying if they said they won't move because they want a bluechip player and now they're saying they'll move that means it was never about the blue-chip player or the "top 10." Okay. I understand. You're saying the Colts GM lied when he made that statement. You can choose to believe that if you want, although I think it's much simpler to believe he told the truth and has since changed his mind. I tend to think that people generally don't lie about things, especially if they don't need to. Why say he wanted to stay in the top 10 when all he needed to say was the Jets made the best offer? Why lie? Now, if he'd said the Jets made the best offer, it makes some sense to have a discussion about what Beane should have done to make a better offer. But since I think it's unlikely the Colts lied about this, I don't see the point in speculating about what Beane might have done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CuddyDark Posted April 23, 2018 Author Share Posted April 23, 2018 1 minute ago, HiddenInLight said: Or maybe Beane already had a deal in place with the Giants. Very plausible and one I hope is true as well given I only believe in Mayfield and Darnold. 1 minute ago, Shaw66 said: Okay. I understand. You're saying the Colts GM lied when he made that statement. You can choose to believe that if you want, although I think it's much simpler to believe he told the truth and has since changed his mind. I tend to think that people generally don't lie about things, especially if they don't need to. Why say he wanted to stay in the top 10 when all he needed to say was the Jets made the best offer? Why lie? Now, if he'd said the Jets made the best offer, it makes some sense to have a discussion about what Beane should have done to make a better offer. But since I think it's unlikely the Colts lied about this, I don't see the point in speculating about what Beane might have done. Call it whatever you want. Colts right now are saying they're open to trading out of the top ten. So it was never about a top ten player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Epstein's Mother Posted April 23, 2018 Share Posted April 23, 2018 3 minutes ago, CuddyDark said: Neither do I. Then let him do his job. Have your say when the draft is done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CuddyDark Posted April 23, 2018 Author Share Posted April 23, 2018 Just now, Epstein's Mother said: Then let him do his job. Have your say when the draft is done. I'm not stopping him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shaw66 Posted April 23, 2018 Share Posted April 23, 2018 3 minutes ago, QuoteTheRaven83 said: The way I see it is that the Bills and Giants have a trade in place ONLY IF Darnold is taken by the Browns. If Darnold falls to the Giants, the Giants are taking him. If the Browns take him number 1, i think the Giants are going to pull the trigger on the trade with the Bills. Just a hunch. Possible, but I doubt it. I tend to think that any team that wants a QB will take ONLY the one guy they want and not another. If the Giants are in the market for a QB, their second choice at QB this year is almost certainly going to be better than the QB they're going to be able to draft next year. They likely won't have the second pick, and as I understand it the class isn't particularly QB rich. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Epstein's Mother Posted April 23, 2018 Share Posted April 23, 2018 1 minute ago, CuddyDark said: I'm not stopping him. God I hope not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stuvian Posted April 23, 2018 Share Posted April 23, 2018 don't forget the Jets already have the Hackenburg and Petty busts under their belt at QB. They've literally run through all the journeyman QBs in the league. It's 4th and job for their GM. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CuddyDark Posted April 23, 2018 Author Share Posted April 23, 2018 1 minute ago, Epstein's Mother said: God I hope not. Me too, or he's weaker than I thought when I started this thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shaw66 Posted April 23, 2018 Share Posted April 23, 2018 2 minutes ago, CuddyDark said: Very plausible and one I hope is true as well given I only believe in Mayfield and Darnold. Call it whatever you want. Colts right now are saying they're open to trading out of the top ten. So it was never about a top ten player. In your world, maybe. Why couldn't they just change their mind? At the time they made the deal with the Jets, their criteria were they wanted to stay in the top 10. Now, trading out of the top 10 makes sense to them. It just doesn't make any sense to say that because they're willing to do something now, they were always willing to do it. People change their positions about things all the time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CuddyDark Posted April 23, 2018 Author Share Posted April 23, 2018 Just now, Shaw66 said: In your world, maybe. Why couldn't they just change their mind? At the time they made the deal with the Jets, their criteria were they wanted to stay in the top 10. Now, trading out of the top 10 makes sense to them. It just doesn't make any sense to say that because they're willing to do something now, they were always willing to do it. People change their positions about things all the time. We disagree. If they make a trade out of the top ten I can infer Beane **** the bed. You can disagree, that's your right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shaw66 Posted April 23, 2018 Share Posted April 23, 2018 1 minute ago, CuddyDark said: We disagree. If they make a trade out of the top ten I can infer Beane **** the bed. You can disagree, that's your right. You can infer all you want. Everyone else will know it's a stupid inference. The man said he didn't want to trade out of the top 10. Six weeks later he trades out of the top 10. Observing those facts, most people conclude that things changed in the intervening six weeks. Why do they do that? Because most people understand that successful people don't tell gratuitous lies. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boatdrinks Posted April 23, 2018 Share Posted April 23, 2018 12 minutes ago, CuddyDark said: Very plausible and one I hope is true as well given I only believe in Mayfield and Darnold. Call it whatever you want. Colts right now are saying they're open to trading out of the top ten. So it was never about a top ten player. It was about leaving themselves options, and possibly fleecing two teams out of picks instead of just the Bills. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CuddyDark Posted April 23, 2018 Author Share Posted April 23, 2018 Just now, Shaw66 said: You can infer all you want. Everyone else will know it's a stupid inference. The man said he didn't want to trade out of the top 10. Six weeks later he trades out of the top 10. Observing those facts, most people conclude that things changed in the intervening six weeks. Why do they do that? Because most people understand that successful people don't tell gratuitous lies. By most people you mean, you? You keep using lies. I guess it suit your narrative. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bills Pimpin' Posted April 23, 2018 Share Posted April 23, 2018 1 minute ago, CuddyDark said: We disagree. If they make a trade out of the top ten I can infer Beane **** the bed. You can disagree, that's your right. You can not infer that. The deal Ballard made for the 6th pick was a trade he felt was in his favor and a deal no other team in the NFL would match which is not hard to understand since getting 3 2nd rounders ofr 3 spots in the draft is an absolute haul. A subsequent trade no matter the team will be a trade that stands on its own. That trade could be with the Bills for that matter. But I ask you, knowing what the Bills have, knowing what the Jets offered and assuming what you said is true about Ballard being a liar and he would have moved out of the top 10, what would you have offered that would trump the Jets offer? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CuddyDark Posted April 23, 2018 Author Share Posted April 23, 2018 Just now, Bills Pimpin' said: You can not infer that. The deal Ballard made for the 6th pick was a trade he felt was in his favor and a deal no other team in the NFL would match which is not hard to understand since getting 3 2nd rounders ofr 3 spots in the draft is an absolute haul. A subsequent trade no matter the team will be a trade that stands on its own. That trade could be with the Bills for that matter. But I ask you, knowing what the Bills have, knowing what the Jets offered and assuming what you said is true about Ballard being a liar and he would have moved out of the top 10, what would you have offered that would trump the Jets offer? So you get to tell me what I can infer? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bills Pimpin' Posted April 23, 2018 Share Posted April 23, 2018 Just now, CuddyDark said: So you get to tell me what I can infer? Sorry, I misspoke. What I meant to say is it is ignorant to infer that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albwan Posted April 23, 2018 Share Posted April 23, 2018 All i can say is thank god for that crappy playoff game we will always have that and the nostalgia posts for the next ten years "WE WOULD HAVE WON THE SUPER BOWL IF WE KEPT TT AND BUILT A DEFENSE" /facepalm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted April 23, 2018 Share Posted April 23, 2018 Hey, still think 4 aren't gone by 10? I'll hang up and listen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleedingreennc Posted April 23, 2018 Share Posted April 23, 2018 2 hours ago, Limeaid said: Jest deal is almost as bad as Ditka's deal was in New Orleans and some want us to make a more costly deal. Far from it, this is reaching. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teef Posted April 23, 2018 Share Posted April 23, 2018 35 minutes ago, CuddyDark said: Was never angry. Point of view is not angry. People can disagree with you or have a differing view without being angry. i hear ya, but when you bring whaley in the conversation in regards to someone who would have done it right, it just seems off. angry/off/misdirected...you can choose. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Epstein's Mother Posted April 23, 2018 Share Posted April 23, 2018 3 minutes ago, teef said: i hear ya, but when you bring whaley in the conversation in regards to someone who would have done it right, it just seems off. angry/off/misdirected...you can choose. Yeah, that one hurts my ears. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K-9 Posted April 23, 2018 Share Posted April 23, 2018 Not finishing worse than 4-12 last season cost us the #3 overall pick. End of story. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fadingpain Posted April 23, 2018 Share Posted April 23, 2018 3 hours ago, CuddyDark said: Something I've been thinking. Bills fell asleep at the wheel. Why do I say this? Everyone said Colts didn't want to trade out of the top 10. I believed this also, but the more I see mock drafts and hear the Colts GM saying he's not apposed to moving down the more I think Beane overplayed his hand for the 3rd pick. Beane probably tried to haggle and they said, screw you and took a deal with the Jets. Now here's the hard part. I believe if Whaley is the GM we have the 3rd overall pick today and everyone is projecting we get Darnold or Rosen. It's sickening. Whaley would have given up "too much" but we'd be in a better position. JMO. If Whaley is the GM, we are hearing how Tyrod is still growing as a QB and we trade up to select a WR. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsCelticsAngelsBama Posted April 23, 2018 Share Posted April 23, 2018 2 hours ago, CuddyDark said: That's not the point though. What if we have a passive, "wait and see GM" who gets scooped again? What if Rosen is falling and the Pats or Cards trade to 9 and the Bills don't? The Bills were aggressive last draft, making Three trades early; targeting the players they wanted. Passive is not who they are Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloMatt Posted April 23, 2018 Share Posted April 23, 2018 wow Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsVet Posted April 23, 2018 Share Posted April 23, 2018 This thread is reminiscent of a sketch on SNL 30 years ago: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WUL7q8eyig8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heitz Posted April 23, 2018 Share Posted April 23, 2018 Holy OP, is it really that hard to understand that people sometimes change their mind? Initially they did not want to trade back too far, now, after some consideration they're open to another trade back - for the right price (read: a ton of assets). https://www.wthr.com/article/kravitz-blog-colts-ballard-is-willing-to-trade-back-again-—-if-the-price-is-right "When Ballard made the deal with the New York Jets to trade down from No. 3 to No. 6 and acquire three additional second-round picks (two this season and one next season), he believed it was unlikely the Colts would continue to trade back, having identified a limited number of game-altering prospects. But now, after working through the process, here was Ballard on Friday saying the Colts believe there are eight players (non-quarterbacks) worth his team’s attention." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Domdab99 Posted April 23, 2018 Share Posted April 23, 2018 3 hours ago, CuddyDark said: Something I've been thinking. Bills fell asleep at the wheel. Why do I say this? Everyone said Colts didn't want to trade out of the top 10. I believed this also, but the more I see mock drafts and hear the Colts GM saying he's not apposed to moving down the more I think Beane overplayed his hand for the 3rd pick. Beane probably tried to haggle and they said, screw you and took a deal with the Jets. Now here's the hard part. I believe if Whaley is the GM we have the 3rd overall pick today and everyone is projecting we get Darnold or Rosen. It's sickening. Whaley would have given up "too much" but we'd be in a better position. JMO. I believe magic unicorns live in my butt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Gun Posted April 23, 2018 Share Posted April 23, 2018 3 hours ago, CuddyDark said: Something I've been thinking. Bills fell asleep at the wheel. Why do I say this? Everyone said Colts didn't want to trade out of the top 10. I believed this also, but the more I see mock drafts and hear the Colts GM saying he's not apposed to moving down the more I think Beane overplayed his hand for the 3rd pick. Beane probably tried to haggle and they said, screw you and took a deal with the Jets. Now here's the hard part. I believe if Whaley is the GM we have the 3rd overall pick today and everyone is projecting we get Darnold or Rosen. It's sickening. Whaley would have given up "too much" but we'd be in a better position. JMO. Reach much? Beane didn't screw up IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted April 23, 2018 Share Posted April 23, 2018 Why all the kvetching over the 3rd pick? Who is it specifically that you want, CD? What if the Bills swing a trade for the 5th pick and that QB is there? What would you say then? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Logic Posted April 23, 2018 Share Posted April 23, 2018 Can't wait for the draft to happen and put us out of this "horrible takes" misery that we're all wallowing in with posts like these. Yeesh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CuddyDark Posted April 23, 2018 Author Share Posted April 23, 2018 1 hour ago, teef said: i hear ya, but when you bring whaley in the conversation in regards to someone who would have done it right, it just seems off. angry/off/misdirected...you can choose. I only added Whaley because he actually pulled off a trade up. Though he, "overpaid." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColoradoBills Posted April 23, 2018 Share Posted April 23, 2018 6 minutes ago, Logic said: Can't wait for the draft to happen and put us out of this "horrible takes" misery that we're all wallowing in with posts like these. Yeesh. 80 hours. I'm starting to get excited about what Beane will do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teef Posted April 23, 2018 Share Posted April 23, 2018 9 minutes ago, CuddyDark said: I only added Whaley because he actually pulled off a trade up. Though he, "overpaid." got ya. i'm not sure comparing these drafts are apples to apples. this year is one of the most unique draft years i can remember in ages. 11 minutes ago, Logic said: Can't wait for the draft to happen and put us out of this "horrible takes" misery that we're all wallowing in with posts like these. Yeesh. you can only hope buffalobud420 is on. he'll have the most amazing hot takes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Domdab99 Posted April 23, 2018 Share Posted April 23, 2018 why does a thread this bad have so many posts? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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