section122 Posted April 19, 2018 Share Posted April 19, 2018 A post earlier today got me thinking about the top 3 guys from that class. They have each had different types of successes but I think ultimately all of them would be considered successful "franchise QBs". Here are the career stats. Who do you think has been the better QB? Eli Manning - 2 Super Bowls, 59.8% Completions, 51,686 yards, 6.99 ypa, 339 tds, 228 ints, career .527 winning %, 26 4th quarter comebacks Ben Roethlisberger - 2 Super Bowls, 64.1% completions, 51,065 yards, 7.87 ypa, 329 tds, 174 ints, .676 winning %, 29 4th quarter comebacks Philip Rivers - 0 Super Bowls, 64.2% completions, 50,348 yards, 7.76 ypa, 342 tds, 166 ints, .547 winning %, 23 4th quarter comebacks Numbers were a lot closer than I thought they would be even when I started this thread. Personal opinion though is this is a 2 horse race. Eli completing less than 7 ypa, 60% completions, and 50 more ints than the other 2 rules him out. If he didn't have those SB wins he wouldn't be in any HOF conversations. I can't really find a decent way to pick between Big Ben and Rivers though. Obviously there is the team success but I think it is unfair to compare Spanos to Rooneys. Outside of the brief Schottenheimmer years (who had his own well documented playoff struggles) Rivers hasn't had the team talent Big Ben has. Gun to my head I go Big Ben but I can't really come up with a compelling reason to disagree with someone choosing Rivers. Who do you pick? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted April 19, 2018 Share Posted April 19, 2018 Ben Rivers Eli 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted April 19, 2018 Share Posted April 19, 2018 1 minute ago, Kirby Jackson said: Ben Rivers Eli That's my order too. If you say those names in the order we put them in, it sounds like a Coen Bros movie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HOUSE Posted April 19, 2018 Share Posted April 19, 2018 Ben Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted April 19, 2018 Share Posted April 19, 2018 Ben, Eli, Rivers Everyone else losman 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsPride12 Posted April 19, 2018 Share Posted April 19, 2018 (edited) Big Ben was the best of the group but I would've gladly taken any of them over Losman. Edited April 19, 2018 by BillsPride12 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boatdrinks Posted April 19, 2018 Share Posted April 19, 2018 (edited) I'd go Eli Ben Rivers I put Eli at the top for his two SB wins vs the evil empire. He had to lead his team on a final drive TD both times. That cements him as #1 for me. I'd say Roethlisberger is a very close second. He's had more tries vs the Pats than Eli, but I think he's failed most every time. Have to judge him vs the era's best. Rivers a distant 3rd. Edited April 19, 2018 by Boatdrinks 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr.Sack Posted April 19, 2018 Share Posted April 19, 2018 Eli, Big Ben, Rivers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blacklabel Posted April 19, 2018 Share Posted April 19, 2018 You're forgetting the true gem of that class, one JP Losman. 10 wins, 23 losses, 59.2 career completion percentage, 6.6 YPA, 33 TDs, 34 INTs. Frickin' Hall of Fame numbers if I've ever seen any, huh? HUH?! Nah, for real though, I'd say Ben, Eli and Rivers. Eli gets the edge of Rivers because of the championships. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gugny Posted April 19, 2018 Share Posted April 19, 2018 Ben - hands down, IMO. Then Rivers, then Eli. I had to think longer about Rivers vs. Eli than I thought I would. I chose stats over championships. I think Eli is a shoe-in for Canton. Rivers ... not so sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted April 19, 2018 Share Posted April 19, 2018 (edited) who stole the most $$$ per TD thrown? Edited April 19, 2018 by row_33 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobobonators Posted April 19, 2018 Share Posted April 19, 2018 17 minutes ago, section122 said: A post earlier today got me thinking about the top 3 guys from that class. They have each had different types of successes but I think ultimately all of them would be considered successful "franchise QBs". Here are the career stats. Who do you think has been the better QB? Eli Manning - 2 Super Bowls, 59.8% Completions, 51,686 yards, 6.99 ypa, 339 tds, 228 ints, career .527 winning %, 26 4th quarter comebacks Ben Roethlisberger - 2 Super Bowls, 64.1% completions, 51,065 yards, 7.87 ypa, 329 tds, 174 ints, .676 winning %, 29 4th quarter comebacks Philip Rivers - 0 Super Bowls, 64.2% completions, 50,348 yards, 7.76 ypa, 342 tds, 166 ints, .547 winning %, 23 4th quarter comebacks Numbers were a lot closer than I thought they would be even when I started this thread. Personal opinion though is this is a 2 horse race. Eli completing less than 7 ypa, 60% completions, and 50 more ints than the other 2 rules him out. If he didn't have those SB wins he wouldn't be in any HOF conversations. I can't really find a decent way to pick between Big Ben and Rivers though. Obviously there is the team success but I think it is unfair to compare Spanos to Rooneys. Outside of the brief Schottenheimmer years (who had his own well documented playoff struggles) Rivers hasn't had the team talent Big Ben has. Gun to my head I go Big Ben but I can't really come up with a compelling reason to disagree with someone choosing Rivers. Who do you pick? How can you simply put aside those two super bowl wins for Eli like it’s no big deal. Everyone wins a super bowl right? He was the mvp of the most important game in the sport. Twice. No big deal. Ho hum around these parts. While Eli was winning Super Bowls and Super Bowl MVP’s, rivers was at home making babies. The gap between Eli and Rivers is substantial in my mind. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ProcessAccepted Posted April 19, 2018 Share Posted April 19, 2018 23 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said: Ben Rivers Eli Eli has to be #1. The 18-1 Superbowl win alone is enough of reason to justify ranking him #1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay_Fixit Posted April 19, 2018 Share Posted April 19, 2018 Roethlisberger Rivers Manning Is the order. Super Bowl wins are a team stat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsGuru4 Posted April 19, 2018 Share Posted April 19, 2018 (edited) Ben Rivers Eli Eli’s dline and david tyree won his sb’s Edited April 19, 2018 by BillsGuru4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheElectricCompany Posted April 19, 2018 Share Posted April 19, 2018 Ben - Eli - Rivers Rivers never put it all together. He had HOF weapons out there and still couldn't sniff a Super Bowl. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted April 19, 2018 Share Posted April 19, 2018 25 minutes ago, bobobonators said: How can you simply put aside those two super bowl wins for Eli like it’s no big deal. Everyone wins a super bowl right? He was the mvp of the most important game in the sport. Twice. No big deal. Ho hum around these parts. While Eli was winning Super Bowls and Super Bowl MVP’s, rivers was at home making babies. The gap between Eli and Rivers is substantial in my mind. cause the 2 SBs were total horseshit luck? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsGuru4 Posted April 19, 2018 Share Posted April 19, 2018 Giants didn’t even belong in the playoffs when they won their sb’s with eli. The qb always gets the mvp unless someone else does something miraculous Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Murica Posted April 19, 2018 Share Posted April 19, 2018 Look at Eli's comp %, that'd be good for the late 80's and 90s. I think he is highly overrated and never should be considered elite. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
schoolhouserock Posted April 19, 2018 Share Posted April 19, 2018 Eli has two rings. Both were in W’s over the Patriots*. I can’t look past that: Eli Ben Rivers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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