BuffaloRebound Posted March 22, 2018 Share Posted March 22, 2018 Hughes with 2 years $15m total left on his deal is worth at least a 2nd rounder maybe more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P51 Posted March 22, 2018 Share Posted March 22, 2018 Chubb at #2 doesnt make much sense, trading a 43DE to draft one for a 34D? He could transition, but there are more natural fits and that is a projection. Adding Jerry Hughes is not ideal (especially contractually) schematically, but has 34 experience and would give them depth as an edge rusher, or options. Shaq L. would be a better fit as a SAM backer for them... Trading down to 12 and 22 (plus) and taking Harold Landry (34WOLB) at 12 or McGlinchey (RT) then, McGlinchey(RT)/I.Wynn(LG)/Guice(RB)/Michel(RB)/Jackson(CB)/Hughes(CB)/Evans(LB) at 22 would go a long way to helping them "win now" and in the future. Adding Shaq Lawson to play SAM backer would fit this mold as well. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reed83HOF Posted March 22, 2018 Share Posted March 22, 2018 So I played ask Greg Gabriel and got a response... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tatonka68 Posted March 22, 2018 Share Posted March 22, 2018 3 minutes ago, P51 said: Chubb at #2 doesnt make much sense, trading a 43DE to draft one for a 34D? He could transition, but there are more natural fits and that is a projection. Adding Jerry Hughes is not ideal (especially contractually) schematically, but has 34 experience and would give them depth as an edge rusher, or options. Shaq L. would be a better fit as a SAM backer for them... Trading down to 12 and 22 (plus) and taking Harold Landry (34WOLB) at 12 or McGlinchey (RT) then, McGlinchey(RT)/I.Wynn(LG)/Guice(RB)/Michel(RB)/Jackson(CB)/Hughes(CB)/Evans(LB) at 22 would go a long way to helping them "win now" and in the future. Adding Shaq Lawson to play SAM backer would fit this mold as well. You sold me, lets sign the papers. LOL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KDIGGZ Posted March 22, 2018 Share Posted March 22, 2018 (edited) it's too bad we couldn't have gotten in with them on this deal. Bills get 2nd overall pick Bucs get JPP, Bills 12th, 2019 2nd Giants get Bucs 7th, 69, Bills 22, 53, 65 I don't even know if something like that even makes any sense, but I'm just saying too bad we couldn't have worked something out where we end up with 2 and Giants only have to move down to the Bucs' pick 7 Edited March 22, 2018 by kdiggz 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lurker Posted March 22, 2018 Share Posted March 22, 2018 (edited) 27 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said: Allen is like Rothlisberger in 04. Small school, some questions, but most likely a top tier. IIRC, Big Ben was a much more accomplished prospect than Allen, with twice the passing yards and nearly double the TDs... Rothlisberger: Passing Year School Conf Class Pos G Cmp Att Pct Yds Y/A AY/A TD Int Rate Career Miami (OH) 854 1304 65.5 10829 8.3 8.4 84 34 151.3 2001 Miami (OH) MAC FR QB 12 241 381 63.3 3105 8.1 7.9 25 13 146.5 2002 Miami (OH) MAC SO QB 12 271 428 63.3 3238 7.6 7.4 22 11 138.7 *2003 Miami (OH) MAC JR QB 14 342 495 69.1 4486 9.1 9.6 37 10 165.8 Allen: Passing Year School Conf Class Pos G Cmp Att Pct Yds Y/A AY/A TD Int Rate Career Wyoming 365 649 56.2 5066 7.8 7.7 44 21 137.7 2015 Wyoming MWC SO QB 2 4 6 66.7 51 8.5 8.5 0 0 138.1 *2016 Wyoming MWC SO QB 14 209 373 56.0 3203 8.6 8.3 28 15 144.9 *2017 Wyoming MWC JR QB 11 152 270 56.3 1812 6.7 6.9 16 6 127.8 Edited March 22, 2018 by Lurker Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Vader Posted March 22, 2018 Share Posted March 22, 2018 1 hour ago, kdiggz said: Adam SchefterVerified account @AdamSchefter 2m2 minutes ago More Another blockbuster trade: Giants trading DE Jason Pierre-Paul and a 2018 fourth-round pick to Buccaneers for a 2018 third-round pick and a fourth-round pick, source tells ESPN. this might impact our chances of trading up if they already have an extra 3rd round pick. they might want Chubb as a replacement so they will need to stay in the top 5 to ensure that. but my hope is they are conceding that they will not be selecting a QB so the smart move is to trade down A "blockbuster" trade? Tone it down Schefter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuck Wagon Posted March 22, 2018 Share Posted March 22, 2018 11 minutes ago, kdiggz said: it's too bad we couldn't have gotten in with them on this deal. Bills get 2nd overall pick Bucs get JPP, Bills 12th, 2019 2nd Giants get Bucs 7th, Bills 22, 53, 65 I don't even know if something like that even makes any sense, but I'm just saying too bad we couldn't have worked something out where we end up with 2 and Giants only have to move down to the Bucs' pick 7 Or if the Buccaneers are willing to give up a 3r for JJP it's too bad we couldn't have done Hughes or Lawson & #12 for #7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
papazoid Posted March 22, 2018 Share Posted March 22, 2018 1 hour ago, TheBeane said: Hmmm.... Maybe they'd want Hughes? one could hope 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimer1960 Posted March 22, 2018 Share Posted March 22, 2018 1 hour ago, Buffalo Bills Fan said: I wonder if Barkley falls to Jets I wonder if they take him or not. And hope for Bridgewater to get healthy. To me this trade helps Bill's increase to trade up. But IMO. I don't think that having Bridgewater would give them any pause at all regarding drafting a QB. Bridgewater signed for a very small contract (relative to NFL QBs) and I imagine that was the best deal he could get given the great deal of uncertainty about his knee. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuck Wagon Posted March 22, 2018 Share Posted March 22, 2018 15 minutes ago, kdiggz said: it's too bad we couldn't have gotten in with them on this deal. Bills get 2nd overall pick Bucs get JPP, Bills 12th, 2019 2nd Giants get Bucs 7th, 69, Bills 22, 53, 65 I don't even know if something like that even makes any sense, but I'm just saying too bad we couldn't have worked something out where we end up with 2 and Giants only have to move down to the Bucs' pick 7 #7 would have been a great spot to get to if the price wasn't too much. Then we could be telling the Giants with a straight face they are very likely looking at one of Barkley / Nelson / Chubb in a trade down. The supposed impediment of the Colts trade (the "elite" player argument) is still very much there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrDawkinstein Posted March 22, 2018 Share Posted March 22, 2018 6 minutes ago, Lurker said: IIRC, Big Ben was a much more accomplished prospect than Allen, with twice the passing yards and nearly double the TDs... Rothlisberger: Passing Year School Conf Class Pos G Cmp Att Pct Yds Y/A AY/A TD Int Rate Career Miami (OH) 854 1304 65.5 10829 8.3 8.4 84 34 151.3 2001 Miami (OH) MAC FR QB 12 241 381 63.3 3105 8.1 7.9 25 13 146.5 2002 Miami (OH) MAC SO QB 12 271 428 63.3 3238 7.6 7.4 22 11 138.7 *2003 Miami (OH) MAC JR QB 14 342 495 69.1 4486 9.1 9.6 37 10 165.8 Allen: Passing Year School Conf Class Pos G Cmp Att Pct Yds Y/A AY/A TD Int Rate Career Wyoming 365 649 56.2 5066 7.8 7.7 44 21 137.7 2015 Wyoming MWC SO QB 2 4 6 66.7 51 8.5 8.5 0 0 138.1 *2016 Wyoming MWC SO QB 14 209 373 56.0 3203 8.6 8.3 28 15 144.9 *2017 Wyoming MWC JR QB 11 152 270 56.3 1812 6.7 6.9 16 6 127.8 Sure, it's not a perfect analogy, just drawing lines. The questions on Ben were about the competition he faced. It's not an exact science. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nucci Posted March 22, 2018 Share Posted March 22, 2018 how is trading 3rd and 4th round picks considered blockbuster....Paul isn't that great anymore Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P51 Posted March 22, 2018 Share Posted March 22, 2018 9 minutes ago, Lurker said: IIRC, Big Ben was a much more accomplished prospect than Allen, with twice the passing yards and nearly double the TDs... Rothlisberger: Passing Year School Conf Class Pos G Cmp Att Pct Yds Y/A AY/A TD Int Rate Career Miami (OH) 854 1304 65.5 10829 8.3 8.4 84 34 151.3 2001 Miami (OH) MAC FR QB 12 241 381 63.3 3105 8.1 7.9 25 13 146.5 2002 Miami (OH) MAC SO QB 12 271 428 63.3 3238 7.6 7.4 22 11 138.7 *2003 Miami (OH) MAC JR QB 14 342 495 69.1 4486 9.1 9.6 37 10 165.8 Allen: Passing Year School Conf Class Pos G Cmp Att Pct Yds Y/A AY/A TD Int Rate Career Wyoming 365 649 56.2 5066 7.8 7.7 44 21 137.7 2015 Wyoming MWC SO QB 2 4 6 66.7 51 8.5 8.5 0 0 138.1 *2016 Wyoming MWC SO QB 14 209 373 56.0 3203 8.6 8.3 28 15 144.9 *2017 Wyoming MWC JR QB 11 152 270 56.3 1812 6.7 6.9 16 6 127.8 I thought Big Ben was the #1 QB in that draft, way cleaner coming out (your right, accomplished as well) than Allen is and its not even close. The small school thing is the reason he didnt go #1 IMO (then and now). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrEpsYtown Posted March 22, 2018 Share Posted March 22, 2018 This has some ramifications and I think everyone covered most of the ideas in this thread. 1. This could mean they want Chubb, which would push a quarterback down the board to 4 at the very least, making a trade up into that 7 area possible for Allen, Mayfield, or Rosen...whomever the Jets and Broncos pass on. 2. This could mean that they are acquiring Jerry Hughes in a trade down scenario. James Bettcher is a 3-4 coach, but his is a very hybrid front. It has some similarities to what we saw when Mike Pettine was here, and Jerry excelled in that defense. Jerry was always a pretty poor fit for McDermott's defense who typically uses bigger defensive ends. We could also offer them pieces they could use like Adolphus Washington, Ryan Groy stuff like that. They could get a player like Edmunds or Davenport at 12, or even Sam Hubbard at 22. 3. This could mean that the Giants are going into more of a re-build and they are going to take a quarterback, so we would have to trade to 4 for the fourth best guy. 4. This could mean the Giants knew JPP was a really poor fit and had the opportunity to get out of a really bad contract, so they went for it. This would put pass rusher up at the top of their needs though. There isn't much in free agency (maybe Dee Ford?) so they may need to work a trade. Even Olivier Vernon's fit is a bit of a question mark. So yeah it is probably just #4. This could make a trade down more likely, or less likely. We really have no way of knowing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reed83HOF Posted March 22, 2018 Share Posted March 22, 2018 1 minute ago, MrEpsYtown said: This has some ramifications and I think everyone covered most of the ideas in this thread. 1. This could mean they want Chubb, which would push a quarterback down the board to 4 at the very least, making a trade up into that 7 area possible for Allen, Mayfield, or Rosen...whomever the Jets and Broncos pass on. 2. This could mean that they are acquiring Jerry Hughes in a trade down scenario. James Bettcher is a 3-4 coach, but his is a very hybrid front. It has some similarities to what we saw when Mike Pettine was here, and Jerry excelled in that defense. Jerry was always a pretty poor fit for McDermott's defense who typically uses bigger defensive ends. We could also offer them pieces they could use like Adolphus Washington, Ryan Groy stuff like that. They could get a player like Edmunds or Davenport at 12, or even Sam Hubbard at 22. 3. This could mean that the Giants are going into more of a re-build and they are going to take a quarterback, so we would have to trade to 4 for the fourth best guy. 4. This could mean the Giants knew JPP was a really poor fit and had the opportunity to get out of a really bad contract, so they went for it. This would put pass rusher up at the top of their needs though. There isn't much in free agency (maybe Dee Ford?) so they may need to work a trade. Even Olivier Vernon's fit is a bit of a question mark. So yeah it is probably just #4. This could make a trade down more likely, or less likely. We really have no way of knowing. I have a feeling if we move up it is going to happen quickly now that NYG seem to be making moves.... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Watkins101 Posted March 22, 2018 Share Posted March 22, 2018 Maybe we package picks with Hughes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P51 Posted March 22, 2018 Share Posted March 22, 2018 14 minutes ago, Tatonka68 said: You sold me, lets sign the papers. LOL Lol, thank you, now I just need to make the conference call with Beane and Gettleman!! I do seriously think the Giants would be able to significantly help their team and overall roster by trading with the Bills more so than anyone else, especially given the scheme shift and lack of talent still that fits the D and offensive line. IMO the "not getting a premium talent" or drop off in talent arguement is flawed, Davenports ceiling is higher than Chubbs IMO, Nelson alone is not greater than getting say McGlinchey and Wynn. Thants not even taking into account the 2nd and 3rd rounders for instance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DFT Posted March 22, 2018 Share Posted March 22, 2018 1 minute ago, Watkins101 said: Maybe we package picks with Hughes. Or Lawson, who is cheaper, younger and fits their D better Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bray Wyatt Posted March 22, 2018 Share Posted March 22, 2018 if things stay the same i think the top 5 goes, 1.Darnold 2. Chubb 3. Mayfield 4. Barkley/Fitzpatrick? not qb tho 5. Allen - I think Denver will take a kid that is close to home and can sit behind Keenum, plus lots of upside 6. Colts, i think we may trade up here, they said they were willing to trade down again Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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