Chuck Wagon Posted March 22, 2018 Share Posted March 22, 2018 11 minutes ago, kdiggz said: i know a lot of people are now saying Chubb is their target but how about Marcus Davenport who should be available at 12? stand up DE who would fit a 3-4 I don't see Chubb for them with a transition to 3-4. The signed Kareem Martin as a likely JPP replacement in FA. Davenport as an OLB and Evans in the middle next to Ogletree could be VERY nice pieces for a 3-4 transition. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zevo Posted March 22, 2018 Share Posted March 22, 2018 2 minutes ago, TheTruthHurts said: Now rumors that the Jets and Giants might flip. Where you reading or hearing this...i cant imagine jets spending more picks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuck Wagon Posted March 22, 2018 Share Posted March 22, 2018 12 minutes ago, horned dogs said: Thanks for the attempt at optimism. I have been very pessimistic since the Jets trade up and remain so. #12 is huge problem to overcome with a limited number of Elite prospects at the top. scenarios I don't like: 1. Darnold goes first, Rosen second, Mayfield third we are !@#$ed with the guys who could play soon. 2. Darnold, Barkley goes 2, Rosen goes 3, Chubb to Browns, Mayfield to Broncos 3.Darnold, Chubb, Rosen, Barkley, Mayfield I think we are big trouble unless you want Allen perhaps. I don't this high. The league has Allen well above Baker. The fans have Baker well above Allen. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zevo Posted March 22, 2018 Share Posted March 22, 2018 Just now, Chuck Wagon said: The league has Allen well above Baker. The fans have Baker well above Allen. I believe this to be 100% accurate Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay_Fixit Posted March 22, 2018 Share Posted March 22, 2018 15 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: Ledyard thinks Darnold is falling to 4? Yikes. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrDawkinstein Posted March 22, 2018 Share Posted March 22, 2018 2 minutes ago, zevo said: Where you reading or hearing this...i cant imagine jets spending more picks What else do they even have left to offer? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackOrton Posted March 22, 2018 Share Posted March 22, 2018 (edited) I just got SO mad that people in this thread thought Nick Chubb would ever go at #2. Then I realized. Edited March 22, 2018 by jmc12290 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D. L. Hot-Flamethrower Posted March 22, 2018 Share Posted March 22, 2018 (edited) 4 minutes ago, Chuck Wagon said: The league has Allen well above Baker. The fans have Baker well above Allen. I want to believe and have been one of the biggest supporters of trading up to 2. I'm just very worried we are going to get shut out this year and still not may a real successful attempt at getting a top guy who can play soon. Allen is a talent, but a huge project imo and I don't doubt that most teams realize this as well. Sorry for the pessimism but I'm not comfortable at all like I was 7-10 days ago. Edited March 22, 2018 by horned dogs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tatonka68 Posted March 22, 2018 Share Posted March 22, 2018 They Might be clearing cap space for another trade. Trade Jerry Hughes, Bills 12th and 22nd pick plus a third rounder for 2nd pick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Chuck Wagon Posted March 22, 2018 Share Posted March 22, 2018 10 minutes ago, horned dogs said: I want to believe and have been one of the biggest supporters of trading up to 2. I just am very worried we are going to get shut out this year and still not may a real successful attempt at getting a top guy who can play soon. Allen is a talent, but a huge project imo and I don't doubt that most teams realize this as well. Sorry for the pessimism but I'm not comfortable at all like I was 7-10 days ago. If (and I still believe when) we trade up, I think it's for Rosen, aka a guy who can play right away. With the money McCarron was given and when we signed him, that's not a "We want you to be the starter going into the season" move, that's McCarron saying there's no where else where he realistically may have a chance to start and earn a different contract. I'm inclined to believe the Jets would be OK taking Allen, for sure starting McCown and having Bridgewater there as a backup too. But when it comes to Baker, my take is basically Baker is closer to Jackson in the eyes of the league than he is to Allen. I think there's a clear "Big 3" when it comes to the QBs this year, which is why the Jets were comfortable with their move. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Call_Of_Ktulu Posted March 22, 2018 Share Posted March 22, 2018 11 minutes ago, TheTruthHurts said: Now rumors that the Jets and Giants might flip. I just hear the end of a conversation on the radio about the Jets and Giants possibly flipping picks. Damn it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KDIGGZ Posted March 22, 2018 Share Posted March 22, 2018 2 minutes ago, Chuck Wagon said: If (and I still believe when) we trade up, I think it's for Rosen, aka a guy who can play right away. With the money McCarron was given and when we signed him, that's not a "We want you to be the starter going into the season" move, that's McCarron saying there's no where else where he realistically may have a chance to start and earn a different contract. I'm inclined to believe the Jets would be OK taking Allen, for sure starting McCown and having Bridgewater there as a backup too. But when it comes to Baker, my take is basically Baker is closer to Jackson in the eyes of the league than he is to Allen. I think there's a clear "Big 3" when it comes to the QBs this year, which is why the Jets were comfortable with their move. if the McBeane's are smart, and we think they are, they are looking at the QB depth chart and saying we need a QB that can come in day 1 and be ready to go. of these guys, that would be Josh Rosen. they need to get to 2 to get him. it's the right thing to do given our situation Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuck Wagon Posted March 22, 2018 Share Posted March 22, 2018 10 minutes ago, Call_Of_Ktulu said: I just hear the end of a conversation on the radio about the Jets and Giants possibly flipping picks. Damn it. Now THAT would be disappointing. Get the Browns on the phone for #4 if it happens. Though more than a little part of me thinks it would be very funny if the Jets convince the Colts to move down to 6 because they are going QB, then convinces the Giants to do a swap because they are taking QB, then the card comes in: "With the second pick in the NFL draft, the NY Jets select Saquon Barkley, RB, Penn St" and the Giants are calling us instead of the other way around. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D. L. Hot-Flamethrower Posted March 22, 2018 Share Posted March 22, 2018 (edited) 7 minutes ago, Chuck Wagon said: If (and I still believe when) we trade up, I think it's for Rosen, aka a guy who can play right away. With the money McCarron was given and when we signed him, that's not a "We want you to be the starter going into the season" move, that's McCarron saying there's no where else where he realistically may have a chance to start and earn a different contract. I'm inclined to believe the Jets would be OK taking Allen, for sure starting McCown and having Bridgewater there as a backup too. But when it comes to Baker, my take is basically Baker is closer to Jackson in the eyes of the league than he is to Allen. I think there's a clear "Big 3" when it comes to the QBs this year, which is why the Jets were comfortable with their move. I agree with what you say. We would like to move to 2 and get Rosen. If that is not possible where and who are we taking...assuming Darnold, Rosen, Allen, Barkley go 1-2-3-4 in some order. I still believe Denver would take Baker at 5 , but even if they take Nelson or Chubb we are left with trading up to 7 TB for Baker as the only alternative. And, you may be right he is viewed below the other guys and closer to Jackson. what scenario are you seeing other than number 2 that I'm not? Edited March 22, 2018 by horned dogs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punching Bag Posted March 22, 2018 Share Posted March 22, 2018 14 minutes ago, Chuck Wagon said: The league has Allen well above Baker. The fans have Baker well above Allen. No one knows what the "league" has. It is just speculation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
N.Y. Orangeman Posted March 22, 2018 Share Posted March 22, 2018 I like the idea of trading up to 6/7 now. It would create so much more flexibility in the coming weeks and wouldn't lock us in to even taking the pick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExWNYer Posted March 22, 2018 Share Posted March 22, 2018 3 minutes ago, Call_Of_Ktulu said: I just hear the end of a conversation on the radio about the Jets and Giants possibly flipping picks. Damn it. I don't see this happening unless the Jest blow their socks off with a huge over payment. No way the G-men want to allow the Jest to get their choice (2nd at worst) of QBs. The franchises have never made a deal in their histories. This is Mets-Yankees, NFL style. I just don't believe it...but who knows? This is one weird off-season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuck Wagon Posted March 22, 2018 Share Posted March 22, 2018 10 minutes ago, kdiggz said: if the McBeane's are smart, and we think they are, they are looking at the QB depth chart and saying we need a QB that can come in day 1 and be ready to go. of these guys, that would be Josh Rosen. they need to get to 2 to get him. it's the right thing to do given our situation I keep hearing more and more plugged in guys saying there's a "Big 2" with the QB class this year, with Allen very intriguing as the #3 option, but clearly behind the other 2. I don't think McCarron was is a "bridge", I think that was just right place, right time, right price for us. I firmly believe the plan is drafting a guy who is going to be the day 1 starter. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrDawkinstein Posted March 22, 2018 Share Posted March 22, 2018 Just now, Chuck Wagon said: I keep hearing more and more plugged in guys saying there's a "Big 2" with the QB class this year, with Allen very intriguing as the #3 option, but clearly behind the other 2. I don't think McCarron was is a "bridge", I think that was just right place, right time, right price for us. I firmly believe the plan is drafting a guy who is going to be the day 1 starter. I hear/feel the same. Darnold and Rosen are the clear Top guys. Allen is like Rothlisberger in 04. Small school, some questions, but most likely a top tier. Mayfield is the top of the 2nd tier with Jackson and Rudolph not far behind. The rest are 3rd tier or worse. We cant let 2004 happen again. Need to get into that top 2. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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