The Jets Just Made a Mistake

[buffalo2218]

3 minutes ago, Mat68 said:

They didnt have gusto to do it now what would change on draft night?  Buffalo knows what it would take and that is why they made that trade with the Bengals.  Beane is too calculated to trade to 3 this far out from the draft.  The top organizations are not going to grade the top 5 Qbs similar.  They are not all going to be great pros.  The NFL has 13 good QBs. This draft isnt going to produce 5.  Figure out which one you like best and get him if you think he is a Franchise Qb.  Maybe 3 was the only option I dont think that is case.  Gettleman wants a kings ransom that Buffalo can pay.  1 is the qb they want going to be their? 2 Is that Qb worth the price tag.  Without knowing 1 or 2 I dont understand why you trade that far up.  

Good points, but Beane may be under more pressure than we think. Since the Colts chose trading back with the Jets, like many others have said, the Giants will more than likely force any team to mortgage a ton of picks. Can't really say I'd be happy with settling for second best when the opportunity was there to grab a top rated talent. Then again, maybe we don't even go with QB at all now

[DriveFor1Outta5]

2 minutes ago, QCity said:

Mistake? I doubt many here would be calling it a mistake if we moved up to #3. They sure did an incredible job of screwing us over for a mistake. 

 

Here's the triple whammy:

 

1) They eliminated a trade partner in the top 5

2) Set a ridiculous price for #2, if it's even available

3) Are bringing a top prospect at QB into the division

 

 

With Mahomes in KC, and now likely a top QB prospect in NY, this could look really bad for Beane. 

[par73]

1 minute ago, BUFFALOBART said:

Assuming that the Bills improve their W/L record next year, a coveted QB pick would likely not be available to them in '19. The time to go all in, is NOW

QB class looks lousy for 2019 (as of now).

[baskingridgebillsfan]

and if the Colts don't leave this draft with a top notch oline they should be shot 

[mjt328]

What a joke.

 

As of yesterday, the Jets had missed out on landing Kirk Cousins.  They didn't even get Case Keenum or Sam Bradford.  They had settled for a 1-year deal with Teddy Bridgewater, who was ridiculously overrated even before he totally destroyed his knee.  For the draft, they were on the outside looking in.  Behind Cleveland.  Behind the Broncos.  And most likely behind the Bills whenever a trade went through.

 

Now they are in position to potentially land the franchise quarterback they have been missing.  I can't understand how ANYONE in Buffalo could be happy about that.  If they hit on a guy, they are in the prime position to take New England's place in the AFC East whenever Tom Brady and Bill Belichick retire.  Meanwhile, we will get stuck (once again) stockpiling talent all over the roster, only to watch our passing game keep us from actually accomplishing anything.

 

[SmokinES3]

1 minute ago, DriveFor1Outta5 said:

The haul won’t matter, if McCarron’s ceiling is that of a backup QB. The Bills have tired the winning with a mediocre QB method for almost two decades now. It doesn’t work. 

I agree the insanity has to stop, but it's not worth ANY cost to do it this year IMO. We made the playoffs last year with a 31st ranked passing attack.

[QCity]

2 minutes ago, DriveFor1Outta5 said:

With Mahomes in KC, and now likely a top QB prospect in NY, this could look really bad for Beane. 

 

Beane was still working for Carolina when Mahomes was drafted.

[OldTimeAFLGuy]

...JETS and MISTAKE have belonged in the same sentence for years.....Bo knows....so does McBeane......

[BadLandsMeanie]

1 minute ago, QCity said:

Mistake? I doubt many here would be calling it a mistake if we moved up to #3. They sure did an incredible job of screwing us over for a mistake. 

 

Here's the triple whammy:

 

1) They eliminated a trade partner in the top 5

2) Set a ridiculous price for #2, if it's even available

3) Are bringing a top prospect at QB into the division

 

 

OK. But let me review a couple facts that I  have in mind.

 

Of all the QB rankings there are, ESPN, Mayock, Sports Illustrated, even Blesto the NFL scouting service, Not one of those people works for an NFL team.

The Bills very likely have the QBs rated differently. We can't know what that is right now.

 

2nd, teams make mistakes every year. And QBs slip down who should not have, pretty often.

 

Not getting a QB at #2 or #3 might look terrible to us, but it might not look like that to McBeane.

 

And as another poster said, if the Bills wanted that 3rd spot, we would have it. We have more ammo.

 

So Beane didn't get bushwacked here. At least he think he knows what he is doing.

 

 

[Just Joshin']

19 minutes ago, yungmack said:

Another possibility: As Day One of the draft begins, the Jets themselves may be open to a trade for a king's ransom of picks.

Help me understand how this works.

 

They overpaid to move up 3 picks in hopes of a other team over paying more?  

[Reed83HOF]

Greg Gabriel‏ @greggabe 8s9 seconds ago

Jets really never had the ammo to get to 2 unless they were willing to give up their number 1 next year.

[Tyrod's friend]

39 minutes ago, billsbackto81 said:

The #3 is worth 2200 a 600 point difference from #6.  37(530), 49(410) and for the sake of guessing let’s say middle 2nd next year 420. Are you telling me they paid over 1300 points for 600 point difference to move 3 spots? 

 

Holy Snikees! What will it take to get 2? What will Gettleman ask for and will Beane pay it? Bust out the KY guys, I can see him asking for 12, 22 and next years first and a second rounder.

Generally I believe a future draft pick is discounted by at least one round - making the a middle third considerably less valuable.

And I think overall the further away from the first round the less reliable the value chart is. But yeah, right off the top that was a heavy, heavy price to pay. 

[Just Joshin']

3 minutes ago, QCity said:

 

Beane was still working for Carolina when Mahomes was drafted.

It is not playing fair when you use facts.

[DriveFor1Outta5]

3 minutes ago, QCity said:

 

Beane was still working for Carolina when Mahomes was drafted.

Thanks, I’d forgotten that. He is so often tied to the hip of McD in conversation, I forget that they didn’t arrive in unison. 

[Thurman#1]

57 minutes ago, BillsFan17 said:

I'm telling you right now, anyone who thinks yesterday was lip service from Beane...

 

I think Beane saw an opportunity to shed salary and move up in the draft with Glenn.

 

There is a very strong possibility that move didn't entail him automatically moving up as was assumed.

 

Now the Jets moving up means the Giants can literally ask for anything and I sincerely doubt Beane gives up the cost.

 

 

Right, it wasn't an automatic move up.

 

But it sure was an automatic attempt to move up.

 

This hurt us.

 

I politely disagree with Meanie. This vastly restricted our options and raised the price - a lot, probably - for making a move. And it put the Giants in the catbird seat. They're likely to be able to run an auction for several teams which might want to move up and get ahead of the Jets.

 

And the Jets could even turn around now and trade up with the Giants. The #3 pick would make a very tempting bit of trade bait for the Giants, who could collect some extra picks while still getting the guy they wanted at #2 but a pick later.

Edited March 17, 2018 by Thurman#1

[Tyrod's friend]

19 minutes ago, joesixpack said:

Three words:

 

should have tanked.

Didn't

We

Try?

[DriveFor1Outta5]

Just now, Thurman#1 said:

 

 

Right, it wasn't an automatic move up.

 

But it sure was an automatic attempt to move up.

 

This hurt us.

 

I politely disagree with Meanie. This vastly restricted our options and raised the price - a lot - for making a move.

This^ It hurts a lot, no sense in pretending it doesn’t. 

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

Just now, Tyrod's friend said:

Didn't

We

Try?

 

Not

hard

enough

[Tyrod's friend]

Just now, joesixpack said:

 

Not

hard

enough

From the girlfriend then ...

 

Is

It

In?

[BadLandsMeanie]

3 minutes ago, mjt328 said:

What a joke.

 

As of yesterday, the Jets had missed out on landing Kirk Cousins.  They didn't even get Case Keenum or Sam Bradford.  They had settled for a 1-year deal with Teddy Bridgewater, who was ridiculously overrated even before he totally destroyed his knee.  For the draft, they were on the outside looking in.  Behind Cleveland.  Behind the Broncos.  And most likely behind the Bills whenever a trade went through.

 

Now they are in position to potentially land the franchise quarterback they have been missing.  I can't understand how ANYONE in Buffalo could be happy about that.  If they hit on a guy, they are in the prime position to take New England's place in the AFC East whenever Tom Brady and Bill Belichick retire.  Meanwhile, we will get stuck (once again) stockpiling talent all over the roster, only to watch our passing game keep us from actually accomplishing anything.

 

 We never stockpiled talent. Not recently at least. We always spent as we went. Or borrowed from the piggy bank. Like kids.

 

Trade next years first for JP Losman. Then not have a first rounder when Rodgers fell into the 20s.

  Oh we need a QB, just go to the QB shelf and get EJ with a  first round pick because he was the best one available at that moment.

We need a #1 receiver this year, trade 2 first round picks to move up a few slots to get one.

 

Its always right now with this team. We want it right now. Tomorrow never comes. That is why we have no Qb because they behaved like children. Not because we didn't get one right now.

 

 

[QCity]

6 minutes ago, BadLandsMeanie said:

OK. But let me review a couple facts that I  have in mind.

 

Of all the QB rankings there are, ESPN, Mayock, Sports Illustrated, even Blesto the NFL scouting service, Not one of those people works for an NFL team.

The Bills very likely have the QBs rated differently. We can't know what that is right now.

 

2nd, teams make mistakes every year. And QBs slip down who should not have, pretty often.

 

Not getting a QB at #2 or #3 might look terrible to us, but it might not look like that to McBeane.

 

And as another poster said, if the Bills wanted that 3rd spot, we would have it. We have more ammo.

 

So Beane didn't get bushwacked here. At least he think he knows what he is doing.

 

 

 

I wouldn't say Beane got bushwacked, I'm saying the Jets didn't make a mistake (at least not yet). They have had a QB problem for years just like us, and as of today they are now in a better position to address it. 

 

They may very well whiff on QB, but the right move for them is taking a swing.

[MAJBobby]

1 hour ago, BadLandsMeanie said:

Just a word if you will allow me.

 

The Jets just traded into the 3rd spot of the first round. I feel grim about that just like everyone because it makes it look like we might get shut out from having our choice.

 

I think the only person truly happy about it is AJ McCarron, who is probably still dancing as I speak.

 

But it was a mistake. This was never going to be easy and it is more like a gunfight than anything else. Somebody is going to live and somebody is going to die.

Beane will keep his cool, because Beane will know that the Jets just locked themselves in to taking whoever is left at 3.

 

So the Jets have played their cards too soon which leaves  Beane with a small advantage. Beane still has the option to trade up if the guy he wants is there at 2. 

 

The Jets just made it so we can get ahead of them. We don't have to worry about them any more if you look at it that way.

 

You get 15 minutes I think it is in round one to wheel and deal. If the Bills see somebody they want bad enough they can probably trade ahead of the Jets and get who they want. While the Jets are pretty much locked in.

 

The whole thing is dicey but we just got a small advantage here.

 

I don't believe they will, but if the Browns take Barkey #1, this Jets move could result in the Buffalo Bills getting first pick of all the quarterbacks. They can get whoever they want.

 

Get to Two. Just do it. 

 

 

[Thurman#1]

2 minutes ago, Tyrod's friend said:

Didn't

We

Try?

 

 

No. We should've done a full rebuild. 

 

If we'd tried we'd have dumped McCoy, Kyle Williams and Tyrod before the season.

[Baba Booey]

Jets want Mayfield, they just secured that. Darnold will go first, if Rosen is our guy, you give the Giants whatever it takes!!! I just have a funny feeling our staff loves Allen. I think they view him as a Cam Newton type QB which they are all familiar with. FWIW I like Rosen and I would give whatever the Giants want 

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

2 minutes ago, Tyrod's friend said:

From the girlfriend then ...

 

Is

It

In?

 

She

would 

know

[BillsVet]

36 minutes ago, Success said:

This.  The chance we move to 2 - or that the giants want to - are slim.  

 

Lets build a team team with the picks we have in a deep draft.

 

This is still a rebuild. And usually one of the first pieces a team prioritizes is a QB. Buffalo hasn't done that in forever, at least not successfully. Using their top picks to address needs is a sure way to remain mediocre. 

 

Yeah, Buffalo has needs in the front 7, interior OL, RT, and WR. Even if they address all those with their 6 top 100 picks and have an average QB it doesn't mean they'll be a championship caliber team. Minnesota had a solid team with an average QB and look what they did. 

 

14 minutes ago, DriveFor1Outta5 said:

With Mahomes in KC, and now likely a top QB prospect in NY, this could look really bad for Beane. 

 

Beane wasn't the GM when the trade down happened in the 2017 draft. 

Edited March 17, 2018 by BillsVet

[Putin]

1 hour ago, BadLandsMeanie said:

Just a word if you will allow me.

 

The Jets just traded into the 3rd spot of the first round. I feel grim about that just like everyone because it makes it look like we might get shut out from having our choice.

 

I think the only person truly happy about it is AJ McCarron, who is probably still dancing as I speak.

 

But it was a mistake. This was never going to be easy and it is more like a gunfight than anything else. Somebody is going to live and somebody is going to die.

Beane will keep his cool, because Beane will know that the Jets just locked themselves in to taking whoever is left at 3.

 

So the Jets have played their cards too soon which leaves  Beane with a small advantage. Beane still has the option to trade up if the guy he wants is there at 2. 

 

The Jets just made it so we can get ahead of them. We don't have to worry about them any more if you look at it that way.

 

You get 15 minutes I think it is in round one to wheel and deal. If the Bills see somebody they want bad enough they can probably trade ahead of the Jets and get who they want. While the Jets are pretty much locked in.

 

The whole thing is dicey but we just got a small advantage here.

 

I don't believe they will, but if the Browns take Barkey #1, this Jets move could result in the Buffalo Bills getting first pick of all the quarterbacks. They can get whoever they want.

How do we know that Arizona is not on the phone with the Giants as we speak ?? 

You think that #2 is only ours for taking ? 

 

[McBean]

1 hour ago, BadLandsMeanie said:

Just a word if you will allow me.

 

The Jets just traded into the 3rd spot of the first round. I feel grim about that just like everyone because it makes it look like we might get shut out from having our choice.

 

I think the only person truly happy about it is AJ McCarron, who is probably still dancing as I speak.

 

But it was a mistake. This was never going to be easy and it is more like a gunfight than anything else. Somebody is going to live and somebody is going to die.

Beane will keep his cool, because Beane will know that the Jets just locked themselves in to taking whoever is left at 3.

 

So the Jets have played their cards too soon which leaves  Beane with a small advantage. Beane still has the option to trade up if the guy he wants is there at 2. 

 

The Jets just made it so we can get ahead of them. We don't have to worry about them any more if you look at it that way.

 

You get 15 minutes I think it is in round one to wheel and deal. If the Bills see somebody they want bad enough they can probably trade ahead of the Jets and get who they want. While the Jets are pretty much locked in.

 

The whole thing is dicey but we just got a small advantage here.

 

I don't believe they will, but if the Browns take Barkey #1, this Jets move could result in the Buffalo Bills getting first pick of all the quarterbacks. They can get whoever they want.

 

IMO, this is totally wrong.

 

The freakin Giants are taking a QB. Gettlemen and Shurmur aren’t stupid enough to pass on a franchise guy and know they won’t have this opportunity ever again to pick 2.

 

The first 3 picks of the draft are going to be QB. Book it. Sig it. Do what you gotta do.

 

We lost. No other way to say it. Darnold, Rosen, and Mayfield in that order will be the selections which means it would be Allen the only one left. Allen sucks so no need to trade up for him so now the plan changes.

 

Keep ALL picks, pray like hell AJ is the real deal, and trust the process.

 

QB is off the table now.

[baskingridgebillsfan]

it is tempting to use the 6 picks to rebuild the o line , get a mlb and speed wr.   stay at 12 and take allen or mayfeild 

[BadLandsMeanie]

4 minutes ago, Thurman#1 said:

 

 

Right, it wasn't an automatic move up.

 

But it sure was an automatic attempt to move up.

 

This hurt us.

 

I politely disagree with Meanie. This vastly restricted our options and raised the price - a lot, probably - for making a move. And it put the Giants in the catbird seat. They're likely to be able to run an auction for several teams which might want to move up and get ahead of the Jets.

 

And the Jets could even turn around now and trade up with the Giants. The #3 pick would make a very tempting bit of trade bait for the Giants, who could collect some extra picks while still getting the guy they wanted at #2 but a pick later.

I politely disagree with you as well Sir.

 

I think everything you say is true. But they could have done that the day of. All of it would be as true the day of as it is now. 

 

But now, the 2nd pick is still there. If the Jets did this after that pick was gone, they wouldn't have given the Bills a way to get ahead of them.

 

People seem to be insisting that the Giants won't trade, but so far as I know, nobody has any way to know if that is true or not, any more than I do. So peopel can't present as fact that we have no recourse because we do. 

 

 

[Mat68]

13 minutes ago, buffalo2218 said:

Good points, but Beane may be under more pressure than we think. Since the Colts chose trading back with the Jets, like many others have said, the Giants will more than likely force any team to mortgage a ton of picks. Can't really say I'd be happy with settling for second best when the opportunity was there to grab a top rated talent. Then again, maybe we don't even go with QB at all now

Your right and maybe Buffalo slow played their hand too much.  With they way they handled Tyrod and FA in the QB position I dont see the organization doing anything hastily.  I am curious to see how far along the evaluations truely are along at one BIlls Dr.  on the crop of Qbs.  Do they have a Qb they evaluate at a Franchise Qb.  Do they have to move to 2 to get him?  I assumed they do and they will move to 2 for him.  Maybe they value Jackson and all there picks more than half there picks and Rosen.

[Boca BIlls]

1 hour ago, BillsFan17 said:

I'm telling you right now, anyone who thinks yesterday was lip service from Beane...

 

I think Beane saw an opportunity to shed salary and move up in the draft with Glenn.

 

There is a very strong possibility that move didn't entail him automatically moving up as was assumed.

 

Now the Jets moving up means the Giants can literally ask for anything and I sincerely doubt Beane gives up the cost.

Lol everything a GM says is lip service.

[jrober38]

I think there's still a chance the Bills move up to #2 overall.

 

They've got the ammo, it's just a matter of whether or not they pull the trigger. 

[BadLandsMeanie]

1 minute ago, Putin said:

How do we know that Arizona is not on the phone with the Giants as we speak ?? 

You think that #2 is only ours for taking ? 

 

No I don't.

 

But do either of know how much Arizona has to offer? I think the Bills have more.

[McBean]

5 minutes ago, MAJBobby said:

 

Get to Two. Just do it. 

 

 

Not going to happen.

 

The Giants have their QB and aren’t budging imo.

[jrober38]

2 minutes ago, McBean said:

 

IMO, this is totally wrong.

 

The freakin Giants are taking a QB. Gettlemen and Shurmur aren’t stupid enough to pass on a franchise guy and know they won’t have this opportunity ever again to pick 2.

 

The first 3 picks of the draft are going to be QB. Book it. Sig it. Do what you gotta do.

 

We lost. No other way to say it. Darnold, Rosen, and Mayfield in that order will be the selections which means it would be Allen the only one left. Allen sucks so no need to trade up for him so now the plan changes.

 

Keep ALL picks, pray like hell AJ is the real deal, and trust the process.

 

QB is off the table now.

 

Browns are going to take Barkley #1 and Allen #4. 

 

I guarantee it. 

[McBean]

2 minutes ago, jrober38 said:

 

Browns are going to take Barkley #1 and Allen #4. 

 

I guarantee it. 

It’s the Browns and they are stupid so you might be right. Still, that changes nothing.

 

1. Barkley

2. Rosen

3. Darnold

4. Allen

5. Mayfield 

Edited March 17, 2018 by McBean

[bobobonators]

1 hour ago, BadLandsMeanie said:

Just a word if you will allow me.

 

The Jets just traded into the 3rd spot of the first round. I feel grim about that just like everyone because it makes it look like we might get shut out from having our choice.

 

I think the only person truly happy about it is AJ McCarron, who is probably still dancing as I speak.

 

But it was a mistake. This was never going to be easy and it is more like a gunfight than anything else. Somebody is going to live and somebody is going to die.

Beane will keep his cool, because Beane will know that the Jets just locked themselves in to taking whoever is left at 3.

 

So the Jets have played their cards too soon which leaves  Beane with a small advantage. Beane still has the option to trade up if the guy he wants is there at 2. 

 

The Jets just made it so we can get ahead of them. We don't have to worry about them any more if you look at it that way.

 

You get 15 minutes I think it is in round one to wheel and deal. If the Bills see somebody they want bad enough they can probably trade ahead of the Jets and get who they want. While the Jets are pretty much locked in.

 

The whole thing is dicey but we just got a small advantage here.

 

I don't believe they will, but if the Browns take Barkey #1, this Jets move could result in the Buffalo Bills getting first pick of all the quarterbacks. They can get whoever they want.

 

You do realize that just bc our guy is there at #2 doesnt mean that the Giants are going to trade with us right? People seem to think Beane controls his owm destiny - he doesnt. 

 

As of right now, the Jets are 100% in a better position than us to get their guy. 

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

2 minutes ago, bobobonators said:

 

You do realize that just bc our guy is there at #2 doesnt mean that the Giants are going to trade with us right? People seem to think Beane controls his owm destiny - he doesnt. 

 

As of right now, the Jets are 100% in a better position than us to get their guy. 

 

Which again is why we should have tanked. 

[Thurman#1]

7 minutes ago, BadLandsMeanie said:

I politely disagree with you as well Sir.

 

I think everything you say is true. But they could have done that the day of. All of it would be as true the day of as it is now. 

 

But now, the 2nd pick is still there. If the Jets did this after that pick was gone, they wouldn't have given the Bills a way to get ahead of them.

 

People seem to be insisting that the Giants won't trade, but so far as I know, nobody has any way to know if that is true or not, any more than I do. So peopel can't present as fact that we have no recourse because we do. 

 

 

 

 

The second pick is still there. But for all we know the Giants have decided to use it.

 

The Jets waiting to do the same move later wouldn't have made things any easier. Only a bit more surprising.

 

This trade gives the Giants a lot of time to play teams off against each other. If the #2 pick is even available, this drives the price up, making any team wanting the QB of their choice aware that they absolutely must have that one pick, they can't wait for #3 or #4 or later.

 

This may well have OBD saying, "Jeez, let's look at Mayfield again. Can't see any way to get Rosen, or at least without spending an absolute king's ransom."

Edited March 17, 2018 by Thurman#1