GunnerBill Posted March 8, 2018 Share Posted March 8, 2018 29 minutes ago, FeelingOnYouboty said: I remember arguing with people for a year that Mayfield has a great arm. People are so lazy with their analysis that you have a guy who is 6’0 they immediately question his arm strength but don’t watch tape. Ball explodes off his hand. Yea there is plenty of arm on Mayfield. If anything it was under utilised in the Oklahoma offense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teddy KGB Posted March 8, 2018 Share Posted March 8, 2018 (edited) 11 hours ago, 26CornerBlitz said: Watson has plenty to clean up in his game, but he makes plays. What does he need to clean up ? Besides Beane/phantom GM’s corpse in a few years for passing on him. 19 tds In 7 games seems squeaky clean. If we don’t land Rosen, Mayfield or Darnold we failed. Edited March 8, 2018 by Teddy KGB 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted March 8, 2018 Share Posted March 8, 2018 7 hours ago, Reed83HOF said: ok - Fake news Benjamin AllbrightVerified account @AllbrightNFL 13m13 minutes ago Since apparently it wasn't clear to some, the combine velocity numbers released earlier are NOT the ones I use. He tweeted that last year, the OurLads velocity numbers were quite different than the "official" velocity numbers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gugny Posted March 8, 2018 Share Posted March 8, 2018 9 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: Where did this conclusion that anyone throwing less than 55 mph has "no chance" come from? 2017 Trubisky 51/50 Watson 45/45 Peterman 49/49 - throw him out NOW! (jk) 2016 Dak Prescott 54 2013 EJ Manuel 54 -hey that explains a lot, why didn't we follow the rules *g* And then how do you deal with the "did not throw" guys like Darnold, Derek Carr, Bridgewater, Andrew Luck, Bob Griffin, Tannehill etc? I'm just commenting to show appreciation for writing, "Bob Griffin," instead of that stupid nickname everyone else calls him. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeGOATski Posted March 8, 2018 Share Posted March 8, 2018 QBs named "Bob" don't succeed in the NFL. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloHokie13 Posted March 8, 2018 Share Posted March 8, 2018 It's nice and all that Allen broke the record, except if he can't throw with touch. Then it's a problem (and I believe it is). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted March 8, 2018 Share Posted March 8, 2018 18 minutes ago, LeGOATski said: QBs named "Bob" don't succeed in the NFL. Mr. Griese says Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blokestradamus Posted March 8, 2018 Share Posted March 8, 2018 5 minutes ago, BuffaloHokie13 said: It's nice and all that Allen broke the record, except if he can't throw with touch. Then it's a problem (and I believe it is). Same issue as guys like Chad Kelly and Cody Fajardo. He throws so many bad passes so hard, they're impossible to pick off Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bray Wyatt Posted March 8, 2018 Share Posted March 8, 2018 In regards to Tyrods numbers, I believe he had a sore/hurt arm when he did that hence the low number. I remember hearing that somewhere Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillnutinHouston Posted March 8, 2018 Share Posted March 8, 2018 (edited) ** Nuanced point alert ** Looking at these numbers without any context can be misleading. To explain: To my knowledge the QBs weren't put through a drill where they were instructed to throw as hard as they can. Rather, each made choices about how they wanted to pass to make the completions. Take Jackson for example. I heard Mayock specifically say that Jackson wasn't really ripping it, he was playing it cautiously and aiming the ball to ensure completions. If you accept Mayock's observation, you have to interpret Jackson's 49 as an aimed throw 49, not as his top speed nor necessarily reflective of his arm strength. Edited March 8, 2018 by BillnutinHouston 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reed83HOF Posted March 8, 2018 Share Posted March 8, 2018 1 hour ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: He tweeted that last year, the OurLads velocity numbers were quite different than the "official" velocity numbers. Correct - We should wait to get our hands on his data before we go too overboard with this. From what I recall this data is pretty useful in looking at prospects. If the ball takes too long to get where it needs to go, bad things can happen in the NFL... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted March 8, 2018 Share Posted March 8, 2018 3 hours ago, Blokestradamus said: Same issue as guys like Chad Kelly and Cody Fajardo. He throws so many bad passes so hard, they're impossible to pick off I remember Jamarcus Russell play the saints. It seemed as if the Raiders offense was built around Injuring the Saints defensive players......with Jamarcus bullet passes to the chest. The passes were thrown THAT hard and directly at the saints players. I don’t think the saints caught one pass and a couple had to leave the field after being drilled with such unexpected force. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleeding Bills Blue Posted March 8, 2018 Share Posted March 8, 2018 3 hours ago, BillnutinHouston said: ** Nuanced point alert ** Looking at these numbers without any context can be misleading. To explain: To my knowledge the QBs weren't put through a drill where they were instructed to throw as hard as they can. Rather, each made choices about how they wanted to pass to make the completions. Take Jackson for example. I heard Mayock specifically say that Jackson wasn't really ripping it, he was playing it cautiously and aiming the ball to ensure completions. If you accept Mayock's observation, you have to interpret Jackson's 49 as an aimed throw 49, not as his top speed nor necessarily reflective of his arm strength. I think they're out routes to the right and left, which is a very weak part in jacksons game as it stands right now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maynard Posted March 8, 2018 Share Posted March 8, 2018 6 hours ago, Commonsense said: Mayfield just keeps warming my heart more and more each day. I would do anything to get Mayfield if I’m Beane. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ndirish1978 Posted March 8, 2018 Share Posted March 8, 2018 13 hours ago, Mij yllek said: Here is a much more comprehensive assessment of the QB's: https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/news/2018-nfl-draft-rankings-accuracy-arm-strength-and-everything-to-know-about-qbs/ I'm not reading anything by Trespasso that deals with QBs. The guy wants to have Mason Rudolph's babies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HiddenInLight Posted March 8, 2018 Share Posted March 8, 2018 The Jackson excuses have already started. Is it too much to ask for us to actually go for a guy that we don't need to make excuses for? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hondo in seattle Posted March 8, 2018 Share Posted March 8, 2018 3 hours ago, Bray Wyatt said: In regards to Tyrods numbers, I believe he had a sore/hurt arm when he did that hence the low number. I remember hearing that somewhere I remember more or less the same thing. I thought it was a sore shoulder, though. He did have some kind of minor/recovering injury at the combine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted March 8, 2018 Share Posted March 8, 2018 14 hours ago, 26CornerBlitz said: Combine Velocities from 2008-2017: http://blogs.ourlads.com/2017/03/16/quarterback-ball-velocity-at-nfl-combine-2008-2015/ Seems the guys who expect to get drafted early don’t risk this hurting their stock. Tanner Lee- haven’t discussed him much. He might be worth a 6 or 7 as the second or third qb? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloHokie13 Posted March 8, 2018 Share Posted March 8, 2018 1 minute ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said: Tanner Lee- haven’t discussed him much. He might be worth a 6 or 7 as the second or third qb? We do need someone to accidentally hit the hospitality tent in camp... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted March 8, 2018 Share Posted March 8, 2018 (edited) 6 minutes ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said: Seems the guys who expect to get drafted early don’t risk this hurting their stock. Tanner Lee- haven’t discussed him much. He might be worth a 6 or 7 as the second or third qb? The Bills have no picks after the 5th round, but if they did I wouldn't waste one on Lee. Edited March 8, 2018 by 26CornerBlitz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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