OldTimeAFLGuy Posted March 7, 2018 Share Posted March 7, 2018 1 hour ago, The Jokeman said: I respect Jeremiah as a talent evaluator yet disagree with his thoughts regarding Jackson, as to me Jackson is a taller version of Tyrod which to me not a significant improvement. ...agree that DJ is pretty well respected......but who the hell knows what McBeane/McD/McDaboll are looking for in their QB?....substance versus style?......discussed to death around here on both sides as to TT's substance or lack thereof......so is his style (ala mobility) acceptable and do they see Jackson as an upscale TT with greater substance that fits their collective vision for the QB spot?.....as of right here right now, prolly easier for you to give us the POWERBALL numbers versus figuring out what the hell they're thinking....... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnC Posted March 7, 2018 Share Posted March 7, 2018 1 hour ago, Johnny Hammersticks said: Seriously. The “Lamar Jackson is Tyrod 2.0” argument is just dumb. Lazy, ignorant assessment, IMO. . The people who say that Lamar is like Tyrod are the same people who say that Mayfield is like Manzield. Stupidity at a double digit exponential level. My fear with a strategy to stay pat and select Lamar is that he might be one of the players who by the time the draft process is concluded could be a riser and not only be available for a team drafting ahead of us but might be a surprise pick by a team jumping ahead of us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solomon Grundy Posted March 7, 2018 Share Posted March 7, 2018 5 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said: That all depends on what needs are addressed in UFA. He potentially would fill a glaring need, but I'm skeptical about rookie WRs transitioning quickly to the NFL game in order to make a big contribution. His size and speed does it for me. Also his character and work ethic. He was highly regarded at LSU, just didn't have the QB to showcase him. Has a Randy Moss type look to him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted March 7, 2018 Share Posted March 7, 2018 Just now, the skycap said: His size and speed does it for me. Also his character and work ethic. He was highly regarded at LSU, just didn't have the QB to showcase him. Has a Randy Moss type look to him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColoradoBills Posted March 7, 2018 Share Posted March 7, 2018 1 hour ago, DJB said: Check out Daniel Jeremiah 2nd mock post combine. 21. Rashad Evans 22. Lamar Jackson - " I wouldn't be surprised if the Bills packaged some picks to move up for one of the other quarterbacks, but if they sit still I could see them building an offence around Jackson skill set. Jeremiah is extremely connected. He's right down on the floor rubbing shoulders with our very own Bills management and scouts. Obviously many of us are hoping this happens but to hear from someone actually in the know is very positive . (Sorry I don't know how to embed stuff and make it look all nice and clean, if someone could do that it would be great ! ) Great, pick our QB in the "death spot"! 2014 1 22 Johnny Manziel 2012 1 22 Brandon Weeden 2007 1 22 Brady Quinn 2004 1 22 J.P. Losman 2003 1 22 Rex Grossman 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsredneck1 Posted March 7, 2018 Share Posted March 7, 2018 1 hour ago, 26CornerBlitz said: Please explain how this is the case. ok...ej manual had all the tools but needed some time to work on things. tt sat behind flacco for a few years and got his shot....he just needed to refine a couple of things in his game...see also 3oc's. lamar has dazzling physical ability, but needs some work. is any one person saying he is a rd.1/day one starter?....ummm no, yet again another qb that can run but is a project that needs to work on the qb thing. i this team takes him in rd.1, they deserve to suck for another 3 yrs. good luck with that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solomon Grundy Posted March 7, 2018 Share Posted March 7, 2018 3 minutes ago, JohnC said: . The people who say that Lamar is like Tyrod are the same people who say that Mayfield is like Manzield. Stupidity at a double digit exponential level. My fear with a strategy to stay pat and select Lamar is that he might be one of the players who by the time the draft process is concluded could be a riser and not only be available for a team drafting ahead of us but might be a surprise pick by a team jumping ahead of us. I fear the same thing and believe the Bills are gonna move into the top 10 and get Lamar. I believe Mr Pegula already signed off on the move after the interview process and the Bills are gonna give up one of their 1st this year and next year's first. I think the Bills are gonna dance with Chucky and move to the 10 spot. The Raiders will still get their LB at 21. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted March 7, 2018 Share Posted March 7, 2018 (edited) 4 minutes ago, billsredneck1 said: ok...ej manual had all the tools but needed some time to work on things. tt sat behind flacco for a few years and got his shot....he just needed to refine a couple of things in his game...see also 3oc's. lamar has dazzling physical ability, but needs some work. is any one person saying he is a rd.1/day one starter?....ummm no, yet again another qb that can run but is a project that needs to work on the qb thing. i this team takes him in rd.1, they deserve to suck for another 3 yrs. good luck with that. What? None of this is relevant to Lamar Jackson. Sam Darnold and Josh Allen aren't day 1 starters either. No QBs in the draft are except Rosen and Mayfield IMO. Edited March 7, 2018 by 26CornerBlitz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chilly Posted March 7, 2018 Share Posted March 7, 2018 I love love love this idea. Pick up Tyrod's option, let Lamar Jackson sit for a year, and keep the other 1st round pick. Perfect draft for me! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnC Posted March 7, 2018 Share Posted March 7, 2018 1 minute ago, the skycap said: I fear the same thing and believe the Bills are gonna move into the top 10 and get Lamar. I believe Mr Pegula already signed off on the move after the interview process and the Bills are gonna give up one of their 1st this year and next year's first. I think the Bills are gonna dance with Chucky and move to the 10 spot. The Raiders will still get their LB at 21. If the Bills have a conviction on any of the top tier qbs and act on it I will not be critical. If Lamar is the qb targeted by the organization then I will support a proactive action to secure their favored qb. This is the year to get it done. My preference is to take a risk going up the draft rather than being passive and losing out. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solomon Grundy Posted March 7, 2018 Share Posted March 7, 2018 4 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said: What? None of this is relevant to Lamar Jackson. Sam Darnold and Josh Allen aren't day 1 starters either. No QBs in the draft are except Rosen and Mayfield IMO. Blitz, I believe Lamar can start in Daboll's offense. I think the Bills are gonna keep Tyrod on roster until after they secure Jackson in the draft. Other teams are vying for Jackson's services notably the Ravens. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thenorthremembers Posted March 7, 2018 Share Posted March 7, 2018 (edited) Will never understand what it is about Lamar Jackson that gets people here so hot and bothered. Not a winner, not accurate, and has turnover issues. His highlight reel looks great but his tape is terrible. Dont get it and feel like he shouldnt be touched before the 2nd round. Think he would be a massive mistake. Edited March 7, 2018 by thenorthremembers 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted March 7, 2018 Share Posted March 7, 2018 Just now, the skycap said: Blitz, I believe Lamar can start in Daboll's offense. I think the Bills are gonna keep Tyrod on roster until after they secure Jackson in the draft. Other teams are vying for Jackson's services notably the Ravens. Possibly, but I'd still like to see him get accustomed to the speed of the NFL game before handing the reigns over if they do wind up selecting him. There's also the matter of correcting technical flaws in his footwork that lead to some accuracy issues. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aristocrat Posted March 7, 2018 Share Posted March 7, 2018 If we have a nice free agency..:sign 2 d tackles, sign 2 lbs, cb, o line, wr, Rb, then Glenn healthy I would trade all our draft picks for the 2 or 3 pick for mayfield or Rosen. We keep all picks next year if we’re bad and we just move on. I think it would be worse if we were bad next year and lost out on top talent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnC Posted March 7, 2018 Share Posted March 7, 2018 Just now, the skycap said: Blitz, I believe Lamar can start in Daboll's offense. I think the Bills are gonna keep Tyrod on roster until after they secure Jackson in the draft. Other teams are vying for Jackson's services notably the Ravens. I'm confident that Tyrod will be let go. That is the right thing to do for him and the franchise. I don't believe that Lamar is close to being a starter. That is going to take time. But with his unique skills he can be inserted into a game as a role player with specially designed plays. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Comebackkid Posted March 7, 2018 Share Posted March 7, 2018 1 hour ago, Utah John said: So it sounds to me that Jackson is combination of Tyrod Taylor and a QB. That could be a really good combination. Taylor's running last year was held down by the OC and that was a shame. There were a lot of first downs there for the taking but TT had been coached not to run for them, and ended up not completing a pass instead. In 2016, he took those runs and kept drives alive. But, regardless of his running, he just couldn't throw receivers open. Last year he didn't have any good receivers but in 2016 he had Watson and Woods so no excuses there. If you can take Taylor's running skills and add the things an NFL QB is supposed to do, you've got something special. This is how I read Lamar Jackson. He could be the guy we need, particularly if we don't need to sell the farm to get him. Wasnt Watkins and Wood both injured in 2016? Woods admitted he struggled with a torn groin all year and I think Watkins played like 3 games Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solomon Grundy Posted March 7, 2018 Share Posted March 7, 2018 2 minutes ago, thenorthremembers said: Will never understand what it is about Lamar Jackson that gets people here so hot and bothered. Not a winner, not accurate, and has turnover issues. His highlight reel looks great but his tape is terrible. Dont get it and feel like he shouldnt be touched before the 2nd round. Think he would be a massive mistake. The guy at 69 TDs and 27 INTs in his collegiate career. Please stop with the "turnover issues" 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigBuff423 Posted March 7, 2018 Share Posted March 7, 2018 1 hour ago, The Jokeman said: Which means he might be another Vick, which to me still not a good QB. I disagree, but fair enough... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solomon Grundy Posted March 7, 2018 Share Posted March 7, 2018 For what it's worth, Rosen threw for 10 less TDs and 1 less INT than Lamar Jackson in his collegiate career Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whatdrought Posted March 7, 2018 Share Posted March 7, 2018 I wouldn't be too happy if Mayfield gets into the late teens and we don't swing a trade for him. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aceman_16 Posted March 7, 2018 Share Posted March 7, 2018 28 minutes ago, ColoradoBills said: Great, pick our QB in the "death spot"! 2014 1 22 Johnny Manziel 2012 1 22 Brandon Weeden 2007 1 22 Brady Quinn 2004 1 22 J.P. Losman 2003 1 22 Rex Grossman Use 21 then Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bag of Milk Posted March 7, 2018 Share Posted March 7, 2018 (edited) 18 minutes ago, the skycap said: Blitz, I believe Lamar can start in Daboll's offense. I think the Bills are gonna keep Tyrod on roster until after they secure Jackson in the draft. Other teams are vying for Jackson's services notably the Ravens. IMHO Lamar Jackson, when all said and done will be a top 12 pick. There is no way the most dynamic player in the draft last's until the 20's. I too believe that Lamar Jackson will be a starter in Daboll's offense. Sooner rather than later. I predict eventual greatness. Whether one likes Cam Newton or not, he has been successfull because he, more times than not ,has been the best athlete on the field. McDermott and Beane saw this up close and what it can mean to a franchise. To top it off I like this kid, I think he is incredibly humble, considering all he has accomplished and his elite skills, he carries himself with grace. Edited March 7, 2018 by Bag of Milk 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColoradoBills Posted March 7, 2018 Share Posted March 7, 2018 1 minute ago, aceman_16 said: Use 21 then You're darn right use 21! ha Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdand12 Posted March 7, 2018 Share Posted March 7, 2018 2 hours ago, Johnny Hammersticks said: Seriously. The “Lamar Jackson is Tyrod 2.0” argument is just dumb. Lazy, ignorant assessment, IMO. yep Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thenorthremembers Posted March 7, 2018 Share Posted March 7, 2018 11 minutes ago, the skycap said: The guy at 69 TDs and 27 INTs in his collegiate career. Please stop with the "turnover issues" .75 ints a game isnt good, I dont care how you slice it. Youd also be correct on the Rosen thing, he threw too many for a high first round pick too. Rosen also had way too many balls batted at the line for a 6'4 qb Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aceman_16 Posted March 7, 2018 Share Posted March 7, 2018 4 minutes ago, ColoradoBills said: You're darn right use 21! ha It IS uncanny on the hot garbage at QB drafted at 22. I do not of ANY QB drafted at 21.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobChalmers Posted March 7, 2018 Share Posted March 7, 2018 Jackson's (lower) body combined with the way he plays scares the heck out of me that he will be broken a lot. RG3 was amazing - for (almost) a season. If I'm getting a running QB who's going to throw his body around I want him built like an RB (Wilson, Tyrod to an extent, Mayfield) or a mammoth tank (Rothelsberger, Cam) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdand12 Posted March 7, 2018 Share Posted March 7, 2018 29 minutes ago, JohnC said: If the Bills have a conviction on any of the top tier qbs and act on it I will not be critical. If Lamar is the qb targeted by the organization then I will support a proactive action to secure their favored qb. This is the year to get it done. My preference is to take a risk going up the draft rather than being passive and losing out. I approve this message. after months of considering my opinions. If Beane and Daboll think they found the guy, i am going to trust them. why the hell not honestly. But of course i still remain selfish about giving up picks. just my nature i suppose 30 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said: Possibly, but I'd still like to see him get accustomed to the speed of the NFL game before handing the reigns over if they do wind up selecting him. There's also the matter of correcting technical flaws in his footwork that lead to some accuracy issues. those untidy feet ! Bills have never ever had a history of being able to develop a QB. Hope is all i can have for this aspect. Was talking about this at work today 10 minutes ago, BobChalmers said: Jackson's (lower) body combined with the way he plays scares the heck out of me that he will be broken a lot. RG3 was amazing - for (almost) a season. If I'm getting a running QB who's going to throw his body around I want him built like an RB (Wilson, Tyrod to an extent, Mayfield) or a mammoth tank (Rothelsberger, Cam) fair point. back to my Coaching point perhaps? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ndirish1978 Posted March 7, 2018 Share Posted March 7, 2018 I always like it when people say he's "the next Michael Vick." Vick was not a good passer and was only average as long as his legs held up. If you offered me the chance to draft him knowing what he'd become I wouldn't want him 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdand12 Posted March 7, 2018 Share Posted March 7, 2018 7 minutes ago, ndirish1978 said: I always like it when people say he's "the next Michael Vick." Vick was not a good passer and was only average as long as his legs held up. If you offered me the chance to draft him knowing what he'd become I wouldn't want him is that your honest opinion about Jackson? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsredneck1 Posted March 7, 2018 Share Posted March 7, 2018 1 hour ago, 26CornerBlitz said: What? None of this is relevant to Lamar Jackson. Sam Darnold and Josh Allen aren't day 1 starters either. No QBs in the draft are except Rosen and Mayfield IMO. then don't draft a qb in round 1. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted March 7, 2018 Share Posted March 7, 2018 1 minute ago, billsredneck1 said: then don't draft a qb in round 1. Yikes! Of course they should. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ganesh Posted March 7, 2018 Share Posted March 7, 2018 2 hours ago, Utah John said: So it sounds to me that Jackson is combination of Tyrod Taylor and a QB. That could be a really good combination. Taylor's running last year was held down by the OC and that was a shame. There were a lot of first downs there for the taking but TT had been coached not to run for them, and ended up not completing a pass instead. In 2016, he took those runs and kept drives alive. But, regardless of his running, he just couldn't throw receivers open. Last year he didn't have any good receivers but in 2016 he had Watson and Woods so no excuses there. If you can take Taylor's running skills and add the things an NFL QB is supposed to do, you've got something special. This is how I read Lamar Jackson. He could be the guy we need, particularly if we don't need to sell the farm to get him. I agree. Another thing that happens when TT ran was that the clock was continuing to run. A lot less 3-and-outs during those games Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdand12 Posted March 7, 2018 Share Posted March 7, 2018 2 minutes ago, billsredneck1 said: then don't draft a qb in round 1. then how do you improve the future state of the Bills at QB. The thing about finding a QB.. it has become such a challenging job to fill. the hit rate is amazingly low. But Teams absolutely must try. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicken Boo Posted March 7, 2018 Share Posted March 7, 2018 (edited) Lamar's legend grows on this board and gets more and more ridiculous with each passing day. Keep Jackson in the pocket, run a zone and render him useless. These delusions of him being this prolific passer from the pocket are just that - delusions. He is going to struggle mightily against NFL caliber defenses. Edited March 7, 2018 by Chicken Boo 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bing Bong Posted March 7, 2018 Share Posted March 7, 2018 2 hours ago, The Jokeman said: The case is both Jackson and Tyrod are exceptional athletes. As a result I doubt that they've never had to learn to fully read defenses as they can use their legs to escape pressure and make plays with their legs which is a highly over rated stat. I mean if look at Tyrod's rushing numbers last year, he had 427 yards rushing which equates to 28.46 yards per game played which to me isn't game changing ability no matter how good his total yard were compared to the rest of the league's QBs. I mean tag that 28.46 yards rushing per game, are we really going to say those yards are what put as at 9-7 last year? making plays with your legs is highly overrated? You sir do not understand how players make impactful plays. I guess Kaep's plays with his legs against the Packers in the playoffs was pretty overrated. It only resulted in a superbowl appearance. Pretty overrated. Christ. I guess Russel Wilson and Cam the 2015 MVP are pretty overrated lol. GTFO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobbyC81 Posted March 7, 2018 Share Posted March 7, 2018 2 hours ago, The Jokeman said: Which means he might be another Vick, which to me still not a good QB. Yeah, I've seen several comments that made it sound as a positive to compare Jackson to Vick. To me, Vick had one great year (2010 with Philly) and a couple of good years. It was common for him to have games where he completed less than 50% of his passes. He finished his career at 56%. His QB rating was usually mediocre (80 for career) and he committed a fair amount of turnovers. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ndirish1978 Posted March 7, 2018 Share Posted March 7, 2018 18 minutes ago, 3rdand12 said: is that your honest opinion about Jackson? That's what every single talent evaluator says. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted March 7, 2018 Share Posted March 7, 2018 3 minutes ago, Chicken Boo said: Lamar's legend grows on this board and gets more and more ridiculous with each passing day. Keep Jackson in the pocket, run a zone and render him useless. These delusions of him being this prolific passer from the pocket are just that - delusions. He is going to struggle mightily against NFL caliber defenses. ...just a quick question (and not a smart azz one) about your assessment of Jackson versus TT......I've asked if Jackson is perhaps an "upscale TT" with more potential in areas where TT falls short (ain't rehashing 67,381 posts).....is he an upscale that could be trained to adapt to the pocket first versus one read and run mentality?...is that where you assess him to struggle mightily at the NFL level?.............. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted March 7, 2018 Share Posted March 7, 2018 Will this be the most interesting draft ever? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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