I hope last weekend finally kills the "you need a Franchise QB to be a contender" nonsense

[billieve420]

8 hours ago, Nihilarian said:

The man did throw for 4042 yards with 26 TDs, 5 INTs with a rating of 104.7. That Chiefs offense was 17th in passing attempts and yet 7th in yards, 10th in TDs, 2nd in INTs. They finished the season #6 in PF, #5 in yards. All this with three players on offense doing most of the heavy lifting, one WR in Tyreek Hill, one TE in Travis Kelce, and one RB in Kareem Hunt.

 

In the playoffs, TE Kelce went out in the first half and that left Smith with one WR to throw to and suddenly in this game, his OC decided to stop calling run plays. The #1 team in the NFL in rushing yards per attempt and #9 in rushing yards for some reason didn't rush the ball much. 16 rushing attempts for 69 yards in that playoff game.

 

Last season (2017) the Chiefs offense was #7 in passing yards, #9 in rushing yards, and their defense was #28 overall, #29th in passing allowed, #25th in rushing allowed. In that playoff game, the Chiefs defense allowed Tennessee 397 total yards of offense. 

 

Bottom line is the Chiefs had a star RB that rushed for 1327 yards during the regular season and then only gave him 11 attempts rushing for 42 yards in the game. That opportunistic Chiefs defense that was #2 in turnover differential at #15, only Baltimore was better at #17. The Chiefs defense stunk up the field in the second half allowing the Titans offense 19 points to a very mediocre QB and rush attack. It was more the lack of a run game and bad defense that lost that playoff game IMO. 

 

 

I would take QB Alex Smith any day over Tyrod Taylor!

 

I would take KC's offense any day over what the Bills tried to run this year. Reid is ahead of the curve when it comes to offense. I think he could pull similar numbers out of Tyrod if the roles were reversed. 3500 yds 25 TDs and under 10 INTs is definitely not out of the question. If you add rushing TDs, Tyrod could be a 30 and 10 guy.

Edited January 18, 2018 by billieve420

[Figster]

48 minutes ago, billieve420 said:

 

I would take KC's offense any day over what the Bills tried to run this year. Reid is ahead of the curve when it comes to offense. I think he could pull similar numbers out of Tyrod if the roles were reversed. 3500 yds 25 TDs and under 10 INTs is definitely not out of the question. If you add rushing TDs, Tyrod could be a 30 and 10 guy.

The size/ height differential and higher wonderlic score puts A Smith in better position to succeed in any O vs Taylor who needs the O Taylor made to hide his weaknesses in my humble opinion.

 

Huge Taylor fan , but would be happy to see A Smith in a Bills uni... 

Edited January 18, 2018 by Figster

[Call_Of_Ktulu]

I know we will never win a SB with Taylor at QB, Taylor is not a franchise QB, thread debunked.

Edited January 18, 2018 by Call_Of_Ktulu

[MJS]

Yeah, one year out of decades of years really outs that assumption to bed.

 

Look at ALL the data, not just one cherry picked data point. Franchise QB's increase your chances at contending. There is no getting around that fact.

[TheFunPolice]

"nonsense"

 

LOL

 

Ok, let's see who ends up winning. I'll bet on the ONE team with a real QB left in the tournament.

[OldTimeAFLGuy]

15 hours ago, Figster said:

I would consider A Smith to be a good upgrade to the Bills QB position and do not place as much emphasis on post season play as others might do and why I used him as an example.

 

thanks for the reply

 

 

 

....typical Reidism 'Fig.......when asked in his post game presser why the offense was humming in the 1st followed by THREE 1st downs and a total of 41 yards in the 2nd half, Andy responded, "I can't get into that right now"......why not Big Boy?......certainly must have been on Alex (COUGH).......we would need Alex for a minimum of two years to groom new 1st round QB pick and the Peterman kid.....the conundrums are speculation that Andy wants a 2nd and Smith has one year left on his deal @ $17 mil.......we can't rent him for a 2nd.....a 3rd and a deal in place for a one year guaranteed extension with an option for another year makes it a more workable situation IMO.............

Edited January 19, 2018 by OldTimeAFLGuy

[prissythecat]

46 minutes ago, TheFunPolice said:

"nonsense"

 

LOL

 

Ok, let's see who ends up winning. I'll bet on the ONE team with a real QB left in the tournament.

 

Careful.  Its not outside the realm of possibility that the Jags can beat the Pats.   They can generate constant pressure on the QB without blitzing and have very very good corners.   Also,  the guy who coached the Giants teams that beat Brady and the Pats in the Superbowl twice is running the show for the Jags .

[reddogblitz]

2 hours ago, MJS said:

Yeah, one year out of decades of years really outs that assumption to bed.

 

Look at ALL the data, not just one cherry picked data point. Franchise QB's increase your chances at contending. There is no getting around that fact.

 

Let's just run down to the Quikee Mart and pick one up then.

17 minutes ago, OldTimeAFLGuy said:

 

 

....typical Reedism 'Fig.......when asked in his post game presser why the offense was humming in the 1st followed by THREE 1st downs and a total of 41 yards in the 2nd half, Andy responded, "I can't get into that right now"......why not Big Boy?......certainly must have been on Alex (COUGH).......we would need Alex for a minimum of two years to groom new 1st round QB pick and the Peterman kid.....the conundrums are speculation that Andy wants a 2nd and Smith has one year left on his deal @ $17 mil.......we can't rent him for a 2nd.....a 3rd and a deal in place for a one year guaranteed extension with an option for another year makes it a more workable situation IMO.............

 

Franchise tag

[OldTimeAFLGuy]

2 minutes ago, reddogblitz said:

 

Let's just run down to the Quikee Mart and pick one up then.

 

Franchise tag

 

 

....2019 tag is probably near 26-27 mil......better bring your checkbook..............

[TheFunPolice]

15 hours ago, prissythecat said:

 

Careful.  Its not outside the realm of possibility that the Jags can beat the Pats.   They can generate constant pressure on the QB without blitzing and have very very good corners.   Also,  the guy who coached the Giants teams that beat Brady and the Pats in the Superbowl twice is running the show for the Jags .

 

Hey, I would be so happy if the Jags somehow pulled it off that I wouldn't argue on the Bills message board about the need for a QB for 2-3 weeks!

[BringBackOrton]

3/4 teams remaining had franchise QB level play this year. And the other had to pick in the top 5 for several years straight to build a team talented enough to offset a less than  franchise year out of their QB.

 

1 guess as to who made this topic without looking.

[Nihilarian]

19 hours ago, billieve420 said:

 

I would take KC's offense any day over what the Bills tried to run this year. Reid is ahead of the curve when it comes to offense. I think he could pull similar numbers out of Tyrod if the roles were reversed. 3500 yds 25 TDs and under 10 INTs is definitely not out of the question. If you add rushing TDs, Tyrod could be a 30 and 10 guy.

Both teams ran WCO schemes and Reid took himself out of the play calling as the team improved later in the season after they had lost 5 straight.  In those later games the run calls went up and the pass calls went down.  Save for the bewildering playoff game. 

 

I like Tyrod Taylor and was hoping to see great improvement this last season and he didn't progress. The simple fact is that Alex Smith doesn't need to see a receiver wide open to throw the ball to him. Can be an accurate pocket passer with good ball placement and throws his receivers open. There is a real reason as to why he was #1 overall pick in 2005. 

 

Although Smith did have Mike McCarthy, Norv Turner, Jim Hostler, Mike Martz, Jimmy Raye in as many as his first five years as his developmental coaches. Sorta like TT. It wasn't until Jim Harbaugh took over as HC in 2011 and he hired Greg Roman as his OC, Geep Chryst QB coach that Alex Smith came into his own. Plus, that 2011 49er team had a top 5 defense and the offense was #3 in rushing attempts. A perfect way to develop a young QB.

 

Tyrod Taylor also had Greg Roman as his OC when he arrived in Buffalo and the kid excelled at times in Romans offense. Just not to the degree that Alex Smith had developed to. Their actual stats in their first year with Greg Roman are very similar. The thing is that Smith would actually win games that the team needed to come back from. 

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

On 1/17/2018 at 6:48 PM, Teddy KGB said:

 

Bortles was better this year in the regular season and the post season 

 

Please stop 

 

We re splitting hairs here. Bortles was 12/23 for 87 yards, missed wide open guys and blew reads all day.  This is who he is. 

 

If you can contend for a Super Bowl with him, you can with Tyrod too. 

[Nihilarian]

4 minutes ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said:

 

We re splitting hairs here. Bortles was 12/23 for 87 yards, missed wide open guys and blew reads all day.  This is who he is. 

 

If you can contend for a Super Bowl with him, you can with Tyrod too. 

I don't think you can contend with either QB and the only reson Bortles is playing in an AFC championship game is because he somehow managed to do just enough for his team to win games. Bortles actually had some good games this last season in which he looked like a decent starting NFL QB and there were others where he looked like he didn't! 

 

While Bortles does suck just about as much as TT IMO, he somehow managed to throw 14 of 26 for 214 yards, 1 TD, no INTS. That no INTs is a big reason along with the fact that the Steeler defense had no sacks on him. 

 

Things should be different this week against the Patriots. Besides, to contend for a super bowl title you actually need to be in that game. I am rooting for the Jags to win though. 

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

3 minutes ago, Nihilarian said:

I don't think you can contend with either QB and the only reson Bortles is playing in an AFC championship game is because he somehow managed to do just enough for his team to win games. Bortles actually had some good games this last season in which he looked like a decent starting NFL QB and there were others where he looked like he didn't! 

 

While Bortles does suck just about as much as TT IMO, he somehow managed to throw 14 of 26 for 214 yards, 1 TD, no INTS. That no INTs is a big reason along with the fact that the Steeler defense had no sacks on him. 

 

Things should be different this week against the Patriots. Besides, to contend for a super bowl title you actually need to be in that game. I am rooting for the Jags to win though. 

 

And that my friend is the point. You need a guy who does just enough and has a strong supporting cast, great defense and stud RB. The Bills are not that far away from being that, TT included 

[Teddy KGB]

1 hour ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said:

If you can contend for a Super Bowl with him, you can with Tyrod too. 

 

If you say so.    Bortles has 2 playoff wins in 3 years 

 

Tyrod has zero in 7 ? 

[kota]

Would take Bortles any day of the week.

[Nihilarian]

1 hour ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said:

 

And that my friend is the point. You need a guy who does just enough and has a strong supporting cast, great defense and stud RB. The Bills are not that far away from being that, TT included 

You, sir, are entitled to your opinion and I respect that. 

 

The simple truth is that if Peterman hadn't played so poorly in the first half of that Chargers game on the road he would still be starting, IMHO.  (Speaking of the Chargers I still don't get why the Bills had the tiebreaker over them when the Bills lost outright and had the same record.) Alas, Bortles did what it took to beat the Bills and Taylor didn't, as he had chances in the red zone.

 

Then like in many games this season Tyrod went invisible in the second half of that Jags playoff game as he has done in many, many games in his career. That and 3 points against Carolina, 3 points against the Patriots, 3 points against the Jags. 

 

The point is, this teams coach's don't believe in TT as much as some of the fans and I suspect he will no longer be a Buffalo Bill starting the 2018 season. To be honest I was hoping that Taylor would have taken some steps forward this season especially with the addition of a huge red zone target in KB. Part of this I blame the Bills OC Dennison and I suspect the coaches do too and such the reason Dennison is gone.  

 

 

[prissythecat]

9 minutes ago, Nihilarian said:

You, sir, are entitled to your opinion and I respect that. 

 

The simple truth is that if Peterman hadn't played so poorly in the first half of that Chargers game on the road he would still be starting, IMHO.  (Speaking of the Chargers I still don't get why the Bills had the tiebreaker over them when the Bills lost outright and had the same record.) Alas, Bortles did what it took to beat the Bills and Taylor didn't, as he had chances in the red zone.

 

....

 

 

Thats because it was a multi-team (3 or more) tie breaker.  Head to head is not used as criteria in that case

[Call_Of_Ktulu]

2 hours ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said:

 

We re splitting hairs here. Bortles was 12/23 for 87 yards, missed wide open guys and blew reads all day.  This is who he is. 

 

If you can contend for a Super Bowl with him, you can with Tyrod too. 

You do know that Bortles has passed for 4,400+ with 35 TD's and 18 INT's in a season right? Taylor will never get to that level as a passer, I can't believe some people still think Taylor should be talked about or is in the same zip code as Bortles. I will be blown away if Taylor is even the starter on his new team next year.

[Guest K-GunJimKelly12]

Obviously having a great QB helps a lot in trying to win the Super BOwl, but I think watching Brady, and Manning to an extent over the last 20 years have skewed the way we look at this.  They may be #1 and #2 of all time.  Maybe when Brady retires, we'll be a little closer to what football was in the 80's and 90's.  Meaning you can build a great team at all the positions outside of QB and still contend for the Super Bowl without a great QB.

[reddogblitz]

3 hours ago, TheFunPolice said:

 

Hey, I would be so happy if the Jags somehow pulled it off that I wouldn't argue on the Bills message board about the need for a QB for 2-3 weeks!

 

I would love it because it would mean the Paties** lose.  

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

hmmmm    ---    scoring  TD's by passing 

 

35 TD's and 18 INT

or 

14 TD's and 4 INT  

 

give me 35 please 

2 hours ago, Nihilarian said:

The simple truth is that if Peterman hadn't played so poorly in the first half of that Chargers game on the road he would still be starting, IMHO.  (Speaking of the Chargers I still don't get why the Bills had the tiebreaker over them when the Bills lost outright and had the same record.) Alas, Bortles did what it took to beat the Bills and Taylor didn't, as he had chances in the red zone.

Conference records 

 

AFC EAST	W	L	T	PCT	HOME	ROAD	DIV	CONF
Buffalo Bills	9	7	0	.563	6-2	3-5	3-3	7-5
Los Angeles Chargers	9	7	0	.563	5-3	4-4	3-3	6-6

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

3 hours ago, Teddy KGB said:

 

If you say so.    Bortles has 2 playoff wins in 3 years 

 

Tyrod has zero in 7 ? 

 

If you want to play that game, BB is 21-40 on his career Tyrod is 22-20. 

3 hours ago, Nihilarian said:

You, sir, are entitled to your opinion and I respect that. 

 

The simple truth is that if Peterman hadn't played so poorly in the first half of that Chargers game on the road he would still be starting, IMHO.  (Speaking of the Chargers I still don't get why the Bills had the tiebreaker over them when the Bills lost outright and had the same record.) Alas, Bortles did what it took to beat the Bills and Taylor didn't, as he had chances in the red zone.

 

Then like in many games this season Tyrod went invisible in the second half of that Jags playoff game as he has done in many, many games in his career. That and 3 points against Carolina, 3 points against the Patriots, 3 points against the Jags. 

 

The point is, this teams coach's don't believe in TT as much as some of the fans and I suspect he will no longer be a Buffalo Bill starting the 2018 season. To be honest I was hoping that Taylor would have taken some steps forward this season especially with the addition of a huge red zone target in KB. Part of this I blame the Bills OC Dennison and I suspect the coaches do too and such the reason Dennison is gone.  

 

 

 

Peterman... I agree if he wasn’t a hideous dumpster fire he may have continued starting. Isn’t that sort of how it works?

 

The folks that have some irrational hate for TT can’t simply accept the fact that he has been an effective nfl starting QB.

 

hes not above average.

 

hes not going to win you games on his own.

 

he is going to win you more than he loses. 

 

If you need more than 25 passes per game out of him, you probably aren’t winning. 

 

But if the 3 guys playing this weekend not named Tom Brady can be here, so can he, with an excellent team around him. 

Edited January 19, 2018 by Over 29 years of fanhood

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

On 1/18/2018 at 2:30 PM, billieve420 said:

 

I would take KC's offense any day over what the Bills tried to run this year. Reid is ahead of the curve when it comes to offense. I think he could pull similar numbers out of Tyrod if the roles were reversed. 3500 yds 25 TDs and under 10 INTs is definitely not out of the question. If you add rushing TDs, Tyrod could be a 30 and 10 guy.

 

Reids entire life as a head coach culminates in a bunch of teams that start strong and prolific then  Peter out 

[QuoteTheRaven83]

I'm praying for a Bortles - Keenum matchup in the Super Bowl...

[reddogblitz]

1 hour ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said:

 

Reids entire life as a head coach culminates in a bunch of teams that start strong and prolific then  Peter out 

 

I wish we had had as many wins and playoff games the last 17 years as Andy has had.

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

11 minutes ago, reddogblitz said:

 

I wish we had had as many wins and playoff games the last 17 years as Andy has had.

 

Sure enough, but the pattern is so consistent. He even had Vick put up a 100 passer rating on the season until the steeler ffound a nickel blitz destroyed there whol offense. 

[BADOLBILZ]

7 hours ago, Nihilarian said:

I like Tyrod Taylor and was hoping to see great improvement this last season and he didn't progress. 

 

 

I thought we were all in agreement as a fanbase that the OC and the WR personnel were awful?   

 

You expected Tyrod to GREATLY IMPROVE in that situation?

 

Really?

 

Why didn't McCoy GREATLY IMPROVE then?   Is he a bum because his play dropped off so dramatically?

 

There is just a lot of nonsensical reasoning in the anti-Tyrod rationale.

 

Long term you need a franchise QB to be competitive year-in and year-out for a decade.......that's been the case for decades now........but what's going on with the anti-Tyrod crusade is just "anybody but"  scapegoating.

 

Nick Foles, Case Keenum and Blake Bortles have all been in the "he will never be able to win" category VERY recently.    Wise-up folks.

 

Wanting to get better at a position doesn't mean you have to create a narrative in your mind that the QB you want to replace is incompetent.

 

[Teddy KGB]

4 hours ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said:

 

If you want to play that game, BB is 21-40 on his career Tyrod is 22-20. 

 

I don’t want to play any games.  

 

Bortles is clearly better this year and still playing.   Partly because Taylor stinks and scored 39 less points than Big Ben vs the same defense ☠️☠️☠️☠️☠️☠️☠️. 

 

Get him outta here 

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

18 minutes ago, Teddy KGB said:

 

I don’t want to play any games.  

 

Bortles is clearly better this year and still playing.   Partly because Taylor stinks and scored 39 less points than Big Ben vs the same defense ☠️☠️☠️☠️☠️☠️☠️. 

 

Get him outta here 

 

Im ok getting him outta here, but it better be better. 

 

No more Kyle EJP Trentpatrickbartsonflute

 

I don’t want to surrender a mediocre pro bowler for an even worse dumpster fire.

 

he might not be able to make progressions or get to the third read, but at least with a clean pocket he can hit a WR more often than not in most places on the field and if it breaks down he can keep it alive better than most. 

Edited January 20, 2018 by Over 29 years of fanhood

[row_33]

Sure isn’t a Peyton-Brady matchup tomorrow 

[Nihilarian]

3 hours ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

 

I thought we were all in agreement as a fanbase that the OC and the WR personnel were awful?   

 

You expected Tyrod to GREATLY IMPROVE in that situation?

 

Really?

 

Why didn't McCoy GREATLY IMPROVE then?   Is he a bum because his play dropped off so dramatically?

 

There is just a lot of nonsensical reasoning in the anti-Tyrod rationale.

 

Long term you need a franchise QB to be competitive year-in and year-out for a decade.......that's been the case for decades now........but what's going on with the anti-Tyrod crusade is just "anybody but"  scapegoating.

 

Nick Foles, Case Keenum and Blake Bortles have all been in the "he will never be able to win" category VERY recently.    Wise-up folks.

 

Wanting to get better at a position doesn't mean you have to create a narrative in your mind that the QB you want to replace is incompetent.

 

2

We didn't know that Dennison was going to be useless in Tyrod's and Peterman's development before the season started and so I actually did expect Taylor to further develop.

 

"Why didn't McCoy GREATLY IMPROVE then?" Because we now know that the run game coordinator/line coach wasn't an upgrade either as both the run game and line regressed. The run game stats besides rushing TDs did get somewhat better later on in the season but I attribute that more to McCoy's ability to make defenders miss over the blocking of the line. 

 

There was a real reason as to why Dennison was fired and I'm hoping that Castillio follows him out the door. 

 

I was a big fan of Tyrod Taylor until this past year when I saw what Taylor looked like in some games. Most particularly in that Saints game in Buffalo. The Bills drive chart went FG-PUNT-PUNT-PUNT-INTERCEPTION-PUNT-PUNT-DOWNS-TD that one and only TD with 1:10 left in the game was by Nathan Peterman. Peterman stats in the same game against that Saints defense in the fourth quarter. 7 of 10 for 79 yards, 1 TD. A 126.7 rate.  Kelvin Benjamin actually saw the ball a few times.

 

Week 2 against Carolina, Taylor went 17 of 25 for 125 yards-0-0. The entire game. 

 

Week 10 against the Saints, Taylor went 9 of 18 for 56 yards, 0 TDs, 1 INT with a rate of 33.6 in 3/4 of that game. This performance got him benched.

 

Week 13 against New England, Taylor went 15 of 34 for 115 yards-0-1 INT. a rate of 35.6 The entire game. 

 

Wildcard game at Jacksonville, Taylor went 18 of 40 for 148 yards-0-2 INTs. a rate of 44.2

 

It's not a narrative in my mind, its a fact! 

 

[reddogblitz]

12 minutes ago, Nihilarian said:

We didn't know that Dennison was going to be useless in Tyrod's and Peterman's development before the season started and so I actually did expect Taylor to further develop.

 

"Why didn't McCoy GREATLY IMPROVE then?" Because we now know that the run game coordinator/line coach wasn't an upgrade either as both the run game and line regressed. The run game stats besides rushing TDs did get somewhat better later on in the season but I attribute that more to McCoy's ability to make defenders miss over the blocking of the line. 

 

There was a real reason as to why Dennison was fired and I'm hoping that Castillio follows him out the door. 

 

I was a big fan of Tyrod Taylor until this past year when I saw what Taylor looked like in some games. Most particularly in that Saints game in Buffalo. The Bills drive chart went FG-PUNT-PUNT-PUNT-INTERCEPTION-PUNT-PUNT-DOWNS-TD that one and only TD with 1:10 left in the game was by Nathan Peterman. Peterman stats in the same game against that Saints defense in the fourth quarter. 7 of 10 for 79 yards, 1 TD. A 126.7 rate.  Kelvin Benjamin actually saw the ball a few times.

 

Week 2 against Carolina, Taylor went 17 of 25 for 125 yards-0-0. The entire game. 

 

Week 10 against the Saints, Taylor went 9 of 18 for 56 yards, 0 TDs, 1 INT with a rate of 33.6 in 3/4 of that game. This performance got him benched.

 

Week 13 against New England, Taylor went 15 of 34 for 115 yards-0-1 INT. a rate of 35.6 The entire game. 

 

Wildcard game at Jacksonville, Taylor went 18 of 40 for 148 yards-0-2 INTs. a rate of 44.2

 

It's not a narrative in my mind, its a fact! 

 

 

56 yards

[GunnerBill]

8 hours ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

Nick Foles, Case Keenum and Blake Bortles have all been in the "he will never be able to win" category VERY recently.    Wise-up folks.

 

Wanting to get better at a position doesn't mean you have to create a narrative in your mind that the QB you want to replace is incompetent.

 

 

Indeed. In fact I was told this time last year that wanting to replace Tyrod with Keenum and cap space was willfully downgrading the Quarterback position.....

 

There are some "anybody but Tyrod" folks. And they do over exaggerate his flaws. There are also too many way too comfortable with what we have based on the evidence what we have has put on tape. 

Edited January 20, 2018 by GunnerBill

[Nihilarian]

4 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

 

Indeed. In fact I was told this time last year that wanting to replace Tyrod with Keenum and cap space was willfully downgrading the Quarterback position.....

 

There are some "anybody but Tyrod" folks. And they do over exaggerate his flaws. There are also too many way too comfortable with what we have based on the evidence what we have has put on tape. 

NFN GB but I don't know if Keenum plays as well in Dennison's scheme/playcalling as he did in Pat Shurmur's this year. Besides this new regime really wanted to see what they had in Taylor this season IMO.

 

Looking back at Shurmur's past he coached Nick Foles to a career year (8-2) in 2013 and in that time helped Chip Kelly have two 10-6 seasons with top 5 offenses. The Eagles changed QB's to Bradford and things didn't go as well. Shurmur went to Minn and they brought in Bradford in 2016 Bradford started hot going 2-0 this year before his season-ending injury. Pat Shurmur is probably the next NY Giants HC.

 

No question Keenum is having a career year in his sixth year and is greatly helped by an outstanding receiver corps, the #1 defense in the league along with a very potent run game. 

 

That said, the Bills brought in new OC Brian Deball and are now moving away from the WCO scheme to an Erhardt/Perkins scheme like the Patriots run. This to me sounds like Taylor is a foregone conclusion move to more of a pocket passer. This also sounds like he will better help develop Peterman. No to Alex Smith, Cousins and Sam Bradford, a new rookie QB look like the stronger possibility, JMHO

Edited January 20, 2018 by Nihilarian

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

12 hours ago, reddogblitz said:

 

56 yards

I think you need to clear your paste buffer.  

[BADOLBILZ]

9 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

 

Indeed. In fact I was told this time last year that wanting to replace Tyrod with Keenum and cap space was willfully downgrading the Quarterback position.....

 

There are some "anybody but Tyrod" folks. And they do over exaggerate his flaws. There are also too many way too comfortable with what we have based on the evidence what we have has put on tape. 

 

Hold on now.......to put that call into perspective........Keenum was AWFUL with the Rams (9 TD 11 INT) despite having a superstar RB in Todd Gurley in the backfield.   His WR corps was not good at all.   Sound like a familiar situation?

 

Because Tyrod was in a very similar situation this year as Keenum was with the Rams.

 

But unlike Keenum with the Rams......TT's athleticism allowed him to compete and win games.    

 

Passing game weapons matter even more for non-franchise guys like Keenum and Tyrod.

 

Thielen and Diggs are as good of a 1-2 punch at WR as there is in the NFL.  And the Vikings GREAT defense allowed Keenum to play in a balanced offense.   He's not a gunslinger you want trying to carry you with the passing game.  

 

Now *maybe* Dropzone Jones and Jordan Matthews would have been playmakers for him in Dennison's offense....... but I HIGHLY doubt that.

 

Keenum probably struggles and gets battered like he did in LA and the Bills are drafting much higher and replacing him with a QB anyway.

 

 

[BringBackOrton]

7 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

Hold on now.......to put that call into perspective........Keenum was AWFUL with the Rams (9 TD 11 INT) despite having a superstar RB in Todd Gurley in the backfield.   His WR corps was not good at all.   Sound like a familiar situation?

 

Because Tyrod was in a very similar situation this year as Keenum was with the Rams.

 

But unlike Keenum with the Rams......TT's athleticism allowed him to compete and win games.    

 

Passing game weapons matter even more for non-franchise guys like Keenum and Tyrod.

 

Thielen and Diggs are as good of a 1-2 punch at WR as there is in the NFL.  And the Vikings GREAT defense allowed Keenum to play in a balanced offense.   He's not a gunslinger you want trying to carry you with the passing game.  

 

Now *maybe* Dropzone Jones and Jordan Matthews would have been playmakers for him in Dennison's offense....... but I HIGHLY doubt that.

 

Keenum probably struggles and gets battered like he did in LA and the Bills are drafting much higher and replacing him with a QB anyway.

 

 

Peak TT with a host of weapons and no tape out on him in 2015 did not have as good as a year passing as Keenum in 2017.

 

Minny's offense in 2017 was also better than the Bills 2015 offense.  And the Bills had Shady at RB, not 4 games of Dalvin Cook and then JAGs.

 

Tyrod's ceiling is very limited.

[Fadingpain]

For everyone on the "You don't need a franchise QB" bandwagon....

 

Have a look at who is standing on top when the smoke clears in this playoff season, and note who the QB is.

 

You might be surprised to see that he is one of only THREE QBS who represented the AFC in the Superbowl in 14 of the last 16 seasons.  

 

All three are certain HOFers, 2 of them are among the best to ever play the position.  (Brady, Manning, Big Ben).

 

The evidence suggesting you need an absolute beast of a franchise QB is overwhelming.  

 

 

 

 

Edited January 20, 2018 by Fadingpain