Teddy KGB Posted January 17, 2018 Share Posted January 17, 2018 how fanatical is he gonna be when we acquire a qb that can actually play the position ??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bing Bong Posted January 17, 2018 Share Posted January 17, 2018 This battle will rage into eternity. The proof is in the pudding folks.. Good teams go far in the playoffs. They just can't be a liability you morons (PETERMAN) Don't confuse a weak quarterback losing with a good team (Savage in the playoffs) to meaning a good quarterback wins no matter what. That's called a contrapositive or something like that. Go back to school folks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teddy KGB Posted January 17, 2018 Share Posted January 17, 2018 7 minutes ago, PetermanThrew5Picks said: This battle will rage into eternity. The proof is in the pudding folks.. Good teams go far in the playoffs. They just can't be a liability you morons (PETERMAN) Don't confuse a weak quarterback losing with a good team (Savage in the playoffs) to meaning a good quarterback wins no matter what. That's called a contrapositive or something like that. Go back to school folks. 3 points. Can’t win with Taylor /thread Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yungmack Posted January 17, 2018 Share Posted January 17, 2018 1 hour ago, Teddy KGB said: 3 points. Can’t win with Taylor /thread You could be right. But I would put the blame on Dennison more than Taylor and a severely poor receiving corps. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Figster Posted January 17, 2018 Share Posted January 17, 2018 1 hour ago, Teddy KGB said: 3 points. Can’t win with Taylor /thread 1 hour ago, Teddy KGB said: 3 points. Can’t win with Taylor /thread Point one, we can win games with Taylor behind center. Point two, we did win games with Taylor behind center. Point three, the Buffalo Bills made the playoffs... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teddy KGB Posted January 17, 2018 Share Posted January 17, 2018 21 minutes ago, Figster said: Point one, we can win games with Taylor behind center. Point two, we did win games with Taylor behind center. Point three, the Buffalo Bills made the playoffs... Point 4. Taylor folds faster than Andy Dalton in playoff games. All the best to him, it’s time for someone else to get a shot at QB for the Bills Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
transplantbillsfan Posted January 17, 2018 Author Share Posted January 17, 2018 (edited) 8 hours ago, GunnerBill said: Except Keenum is good... I got flamed by the CoT for suggesting we let Tyrod go and sign him last offseason. I was told I was purposely downgrading the QB position to save a few dollars. Yea, sure. Foles did not "get his team to a conference Championship game." Wentz got them most of the way and then the defense held on a 4 down red zone series on Saturday to get them past Atlanta. Bortles is a fair point.... he isn't great. I do actually think his 2017 tape is better than Tyrod's though. He has played better this season. Rex Grossman made the Superbowl once as well. He still sucked. The Cult is now on life support. The end is nigh. Ever consider that Keenum is more the product of Shermur than anything? Look how incredible Bradford looked Week 1. Doubt he remotely resembles that under Dennison. 7 hours ago, Nihilarian said: I think the NY Giants are looking at Keenum and seeing what Vikings OC Pat Shurmur was able to do for the guy. That miracle play at the end of the Saints game is something the team has practiced over and over. Now go back to 2013 when Foles had his career season and look who his OC was...yep, Pat Shurmur. Eagles HC Chip Kelly with his two 10-6 seasons his OC was Pat Shurmur. So... you mean Keenum's first 5 years as a journeyman might be more representative of who Case Keenum is than what he's done this year under an OC who's about to become a HC somewhere next year because of his spectacular work with bleh QBs? Interesting I hope Dabol is the next guy like that after being wildly successful for a few years molding our new QB we draft in the 1st round this year Edited January 17, 2018 by transplantbillsfan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
transplantbillsfan Posted January 17, 2018 Author Share Posted January 17, 2018 5 hours ago, Bangarang said: May couch is always available if you want to talk ? Awesome! Is May hot? Is talking all we'll do? 4 hours ago, Royale with Cheese said: Just FYI...on BBMB last season, he created close to 25 threads about Taylor. I looked it up on the search function because I was curious. He’s actually toned down the obsession so I’m a little proud of him. Baby steps. Aw shux Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reddogblitz Posted January 17, 2018 Share Posted January 17, 2018 3 hours ago, Royale with Cheese said: I believe that stat is 4-22 when down by one point or more in the 4th quarter. Just Curios. Have you checked what other QBs that may be available's stats look like? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCBongo Posted January 17, 2018 Share Posted January 17, 2018 This is so True, look at Super Bowl winning QB's. For every Tom Brady or Payton Manning you get Mark Ripen or Trent Dilfer. You need a competent QB who can make they key throw and manage the offense. If Tyrod could anticipate throws and actually hit a receiver as they ran he would be perfect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted January 17, 2018 Share Posted January 17, 2018 10 hours ago, transplantbillsfan said: Hope this was worth your time for a post that was a tongue in cheek post taking a little light-hearted jab at a previously-banned-poster-under-a-new-name's thread I had fun with mine. The little I read of your post, you sounded upset. Why you mad, so serious bro? FIFY 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay_Fixit Posted January 17, 2018 Share Posted January 17, 2018 I think I’m finally starting to understand what the transplant part of transplantbillsfan means. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted January 17, 2018 Share Posted January 17, 2018 33 minutes ago, transplantbillsfan said: Awesome! Is May hot? Is talking all we'll do? Aw shux It was tongue and cheek. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Figster Posted January 17, 2018 Share Posted January 17, 2018 51 minutes ago, Teddy KGB said: Point 4. Taylor folds faster than Andy Dalton in playoff games. All the best to him, it’s time for someone else to get a shot at QB for the Bills I have no problem drafting a QB to groom. On the other hand it would be great for the Buffalo Bills to come out next season with the same work ethic and good chemistry from a team perspective and I think Tyrod Taylor is a big part it. In my humble opinon and with all due respect sir. Alex Smith is a name being tossed around allot. How deep into the playoffs did he go? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted January 17, 2018 Share Posted January 17, 2018 From practically claiming TT was a Franchise type guy -- to -- Who needs a franchise type guy? smh you seriously need to let go of Tay Tay 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Figster Posted January 17, 2018 Share Posted January 17, 2018 2 minutes ago, ShadyBillsFan said: From practically claiming TT was a Franchise type guy -- to -- Who needs a franchise type guy? smh you seriously need to let go of Tay Tay McD is the one you will have to convince when it comes to letting go of Taylor, which will be easier said then done IMO. Lets say Taylor does come back through all the changes and stands behind center when the next regular season rolls around. 4 years as the Bills starting QB. Who at the dawning of a New Era has represented this franchise better? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColoradoBills Posted January 17, 2018 Share Posted January 17, 2018 11 hours ago, transplantbillsfan said: Hope this was worth your time for a post that was a tongue in cheek post taking a little light-hearted jab at a previously-banned-poster-under-a-new-name's thread I had fun with mine. The little I read of your post, you sounded upset. Why you mad, bro? I got a feeling you will be the mad one come March when TT is gone, bro. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LABILLBACKER Posted January 17, 2018 Share Posted January 17, 2018 13 hours ago, Mango said: I generally agree with you about the bold. However, Jacksonville specifically, and watching the last 2 weeks, the Bills lost because the offense, and passing game in particular left plays out on the field. Pittsburgh lost because they capitalized the Jags capitalized on Pittsburgh’s weakness on D. Buffalo’s offense is firmly to blame for that loss. It's the offense as a whole that struggled all year. Not just one entity. We had a weak OC. A mediocre and safe qb. A very avg oline forced to zone block. Wr's hurt or dropping balls. No elite TE 's. Brian will have to retool every facet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
transplantbillsfan Posted January 17, 2018 Author Share Posted January 17, 2018 4 hours ago, DaBillsFanSince1973 said: at first I was like the OP is not really obsessed with taylor, then I was like, yes, yes he is. I just hope it doesn't hurt too much when they move on from him this off season. I'm very excited about this QB offseason. Can't wait to see who we draft in the 1st. I could see Tyrod being part of a package deal on draft day to trade up. I could also see Tyrod being kept on the roster for one more year Who knows? If we get Darnold, Mayfield or Rudolph in the 1st... I'll be stoked! A fun few months ahead of us Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bing Bong Posted January 17, 2018 Share Posted January 17, 2018 2 hours ago, yungmack said: You could be right. But I would put the blame on Dennison more than Taylor and a severely poor receiving corps. They don't get enough attention for how bad they are. Slow, lumbering, rocks for hands.deonte Thompson's catch in the colts should be made by any wr. Yet he's our playmaker now lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted January 17, 2018 Share Posted January 17, 2018 1 hour ago, Figster said: McD is the one you will have to convince when it comes to letting go of Taylor, which will be easier said then done IMO. Lets say Taylor does come back through all the changes and stands behind center when the next regular season rolls around. 4 years as the Bills starting QB. Who at the dawning of a New Era has represented this franchise better? don't make it worse. Protecting the ball is good Being more overprotective than an overprotective OC hurts the teams ability to win. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KHAN Posted January 17, 2018 Share Posted January 17, 2018 14 hours ago, transplantbillsfan said: I hope last weekend finally kills the "you need a Franchise QB to be a contender" nonsense AFC Champion QB's since 2003. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
transplantbillsfan Posted January 17, 2018 Author Share Posted January 17, 2018 (edited) 2 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: FIFY Muchas gracias 1 hour ago, Royale with Cheese said: It was tongue and cheek. What's a tongue and cheek have to do with what you said? You didn't even say it with your tongue or your cheek. You typed it on an Internet message board. 1 hour ago, ColoradoBills said: I got a feeling you will be the mad one come March when TT is gone, bro. Not at all. If we upgrade the position, I'll be stoked. But I think the likelihood of Taylor being gone in March is low, unless we've traded him as part of a package at that point to trade up in the draft. Personally, I don't think Beane or McDermott will go the route of a FA vet QB. I think they want their guy in the draft in the 1st round specifically, which was the whole point of all of our moves last offseason going all the way back to trading down with KC in the draft. Sorry, had to be serious for a moment, there Edited January 17, 2018 by transplantbillsfan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lfod Posted January 17, 2018 Share Posted January 17, 2018 (edited) 1 hour ago, Figster said: McD is the one you will have to convince when it comes to letting go of Taylor, which will be easier said then done IMO. Lets say Taylor does come back through all the changes and stands behind center when the next regular season rolls around. 4 years as the Bills starting QB. Who at the dawning of a New Era has represented this franchise better? Oh MCD is convinced. Did he not bench Tyrod this season? Just because Peterman sucked doesn't all the sudden change the reason Tyrod got benched. Please spare me it was Dennison or anyone else because the HC made the call and had the authority to. So please assume he was complicit. Tyrod wasn't benched for any other reason besides he wasn't getting it done. I think the 5 fans Tyrod has left will have to do the convincing. 4 hours ago, PetermanThrew5Picks said: This battle will rage into eternity. The proof is in the pudding folks.. Good teams go far in the playoffs. They just can't be a liability you morons (PETERMAN) Don't confuse a weak quarterback losing with a good team (Savage in the playoffs) to meaning a good quarterback wins no matter what. That's called a contrapositive or something like that. Go back to school folks. I want you to change your name to TyrodThrew0Touchdowns. I know you don't care what I think but I'm saying it anyway because it's funny. Edited January 17, 2018 by Lfod Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
transplantbillsfan Posted January 17, 2018 Author Share Posted January 17, 2018 14 minutes ago, KHAN said: AFC Champion QB's since 2003. 3 HOF guys, one retired, one over 40, one who's been talking about retiring for a couple years ago. The AFC is getting more wide open. Why'd you leave out the NFC? Brad Johnson Jake Delhomme Donovan McNabb Matthew Hasselbeck Rex Grossman Eli Manning Kurt Warner Drew Brees Aaron Rodgers Eli Manning Colin Kaepernick Russell Wilson Russell Wilson Cam Newton Matt Ryan Case Keenum/Nick Foles Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted January 17, 2018 Share Posted January 17, 2018 13 minutes ago, transplantbillsfan said: Muchas gracias What's a tongue and cheek? That's a tongue. I'll have to look up cheek. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted January 17, 2018 Share Posted January 17, 2018 5 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said: That's a tongue. I'll have to look up cheek. there's the cheek 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reed83HOF Posted January 17, 2018 Share Posted January 17, 2018 10 minutes ago, transplantbillsfan said: 3 HOF guys, one retired, one over 40, one who's been talking about retiring for a couple years ago. The AFC is getting more wide open. Why'd you leave out the NFC? Brad Johnson Jake Delhomme Donovan McNabb Matthew Hasselbeck Rex Grossman Eli Manning Kurt Warner Drew Brees Aaron Rodgers Eli Manning Colin Kaepernick Russell Wilson Russell Wilson Cam Newton Matt Ryan Case Keenum/Nick Foles OK let's just finish this off: SB winning QBs: Super Bowl 34. Kurt Warner (MVP), 2 TDsSuper Bowl 35. Trent Dilfer (Ray Lewis), 1 TDSuper Bowl 36. Tom Brady (MVP), 1 TDSuper Bowl 37. Brad Johnson (Dexter Jackson), 2 TDsSuper Bowl 38. Tom Brady (MVP), 3 TDsSuper Bowl 39. Tom Brady (Deion Branch), 2 TDsSuper Bowl 40. Ben Roethlisberger (Hines Ward), 0 TDsSuper Bowl 41. Peyton Manning (MVP), 1 TDSuper Bowl 42. Eli Manning (MVP), 2 TDsSuper Bowl 43: Ben Roethlisberger (Santonio Holmes), 1 TDSuper Bowl 44: Drew Brees (MVP), 2 TDsSuper Bowl 45: Aaron Rogers (MVP), 3TDsSuper Bowl 46: Eli Manning (MVP), 1 TDSuper Bowl 47: Joe Flacco (MVP), 3TDsSuper Bowl 48: Russell Wilson (Malcolm Smith), 2TDsSuper Bowl 49: Tom Brady (MVP), 4TDsSuper Bowl 50: Peyton Manning (Von Miller), 0TDsSuper Bowl 51: Tom Brady (MVP), 2TDs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted January 17, 2018 Share Posted January 17, 2018 I think Transplant has surpassed SaviorEdwards level now.... 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buffalobloodfloridahome Posted January 17, 2018 Share Posted January 17, 2018 If the Patriots win it all and likely they will because they have superior QB talent then your point is Moot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
transplantbillsfan Posted January 17, 2018 Author Share Posted January 17, 2018 23 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said: I think Transplant has surpassed SaviorEdwards level now.... Guess you haven't figured out what Tongue IN Cheek is, yet. All good fun brotha! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reddogblitz Posted January 17, 2018 Share Posted January 17, 2018 35 minutes ago, buffalobloodfloridahome said: If the Patriots win it all and likely they will because they have superior QB talent then your point is Moot. They have a lot more than the QB. They also cheat, AND the refs help them a lot. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
transplantbillsfan Posted January 17, 2018 Author Share Posted January 17, 2018 5 hours ago, Teddy KGB said: Bortles threw for more yards and tds during the season than Taylor for starters and then this happened Tyrod sucks, your crusade and feelings suck a little harder. I “get it” Only Bortles beat Taylor and played better all year so it makes zero sense to be honest. Bortles is worse than Taylor. Sorry. Fans like you get suckered into QBs like Bortles without realizing over his career, more of his production has come in garbage time than the vast majority of NFL QBs, by far. Over the last 3 years, here's his production when his team has been down by multiple scores (9 or more points): 28.5% of all of his attempts 30.3% of all of his completions 32.3% of all of his yards 36.7% of all of his TDs 32.3% of all of his rushing attempts 37.2% of all of his rushing yards 42.9% of all of his rushing TDs Bortles is fortunate enough to be on probably the most talented team in the NFL. His production over the course of his career has been illusory and massively in garbage time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoserE Posted January 17, 2018 Share Posted January 17, 2018 Look at the end of the day Tyrod has to play better. He is still very inconsistent, but he also needs help...better OL, better WR's and better play calling. All of that can be (is being) fixed this off season. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Gun Posted January 17, 2018 Share Posted January 17, 2018 2 hours ago, transplantbillsfan said: Bortles is worse than Taylor. Sorry. Fans like you get suckered into QBs like Bortles without realizing over his career, more of his production has come in garbage time than the vast majority of NFL QBs, by far. Over the last 3 years, here's his production when his team has been down by multiple scores (9 or more points): 28.5% of all of his attempts 30.3% of all of his completions 32.3% of all of his yards 36.7% of all of his TDs 32.3% of all of his rushing attempts 37.2% of all of his rushing yards 42.9% of all of his rushing TDs Bortles is fortunate enough to be on probably the most talented team in the NFL. His production over the course of his career has been illusory and massively in garbage time. Nice stats, where did you get those from? FWIW, TT had 18 TDs last year and 5 were garbage time using your perimeters. So 13 meaningful TDs in 15 games. Not to mention TT led his offense to 9 pts vs NE 3 pts vs NE 3 pts vs NO 3 pts vs Jax 3 pts vs Car and had 56 and 65 yard passing days All that is just this past year 2017 Bortles sucks but he doesn't suck as bad as Tyrod. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mat68 Posted January 17, 2018 Share Posted January 17, 2018 All the Qb out performed Tyrod. You dont need elite but you have to have good qb play. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teddy KGB Posted January 17, 2018 Share Posted January 17, 2018 2 hours ago, transplantbillsfan said: Bortles is worse than Taylor. Sorry. Fans like you get suckered into QBs like Bortles without realizing over his career, more of his production has come in garbage time than the vast majority of NFL QBs, by far. Over the last 3 years, here's his production when his team has been down by multiple scores (9 or more points): 28.5% of all of his attempts 30.3% of all of his completions 32.3% of all of his yards 36.7% of all of his TDs 32.3% of all of his rushing attempts 37.2% of all of his rushing yards 42.9% of all of his rushing TDs Bortles is fortunate enough to be on probably the most talented team in the NFL. His production over the course of his career has been illusory and massively in garbage time. Bortles was better this year in the regular season and the post season Please stop 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PauleeeWalnuts Posted January 18, 2018 Share Posted January 18, 2018 No, you cant win with TT and that case is closed. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nihilarian Posted January 18, 2018 Share Posted January 18, 2018 16 hours ago, Figster said: I have no problem drafting a QB to groom. On the other hand it would be great for the Buffalo Bills to come out next season with the same work ethic and good chemistry from a team perspective and I think Tyrod Taylor is a big part it. In my humble opinon and with all due respect sir. Alex Smith is a name being tossed around allot. How deep into the playoffs did he go? 2 The man did throw for 4042 yards with 26 TDs, 5 INTs with a rating of 104.7. That Chiefs offense was 17th in passing attempts and yet 7th in yards, 10th in TDs, 2nd in INTs. They finished the season #6 in PF, #5 in yards. All this with three players on offense doing most of the heavy lifting, one WR in Tyreek Hill, one TE in Travis Kelce, and one RB in Kareem Hunt. In the playoffs, TE Kelce went out in the first half and that left Smith with one WR to throw to and suddenly in this game, his OC decided to stop calling run plays. The #1 team in the NFL in rushing yards per attempt and #9 in rushing yards for some reason didn't rush the ball much. 16 rushing attempts for 69 yards in that playoff game. Last season (2017) the Chiefs offense was #7 in passing yards, #9 in rushing yards, and their defense was #28 overall, #29th in passing allowed, #25th in rushing allowed. In that playoff game, the Chiefs defense allowed Tennessee 397 total yards of offense. Bottom line is the Chiefs had a star RB that rushed for 1327 yards during the regular season and then only gave him 11 attempts rushing for 42 yards in the game. That opportunistic Chiefs defense that was #2 in turnover differential at #15, only Baltimore was better at #17. The Chiefs defense stunk up the field in the second half allowing the Titans offense 19 points to a very mediocre QB and rush attack. It was more the lack of a run game and bad defense that lost that playoff game IMO. I would take QB Alex Smith any day over Tyrod Taylor! 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Figster Posted January 18, 2018 Share Posted January 18, 2018 8 hours ago, Nihilarian said: The man did throw for 4042 yards with 26 TDs, 5 INTs with a rating of 104.7. That Chiefs offense was 17th in passing attempts and yet 7th in yards, 10th in TDs, 2nd in INTs. They finished the season #6 in PF, #5 in yards. All this with three players on offense doing most of the heavy lifting, one WR in Tyreek Hill, one TE in Travis Kelce, and one RB in Kareem Hunt. In the playoffs, TE Kelce went out in the first half and that left Smith with one WR to throw to and suddenly in this game, his OC decided to stop calling run plays. The #1 team in the NFL in rushing yards per attempt and #9 in rushing yards for some reason didn't rush the ball much. 16 rushing attempts for 69 yards in that playoff game. Last season (2017) the Chiefs offense was #7 in passing yards, #9 in rushing yards, and their defense was #28 overall, #29th in passing allowed, #25th in rushing allowed. In that playoff game, the Chiefs defense allowed Tennessee 397 total yards of offense. Bottom line is the Chiefs had a star RB that rushed for 1327 yards during the regular season and then only gave him 11 attempts rushing for 42 yards in the game. That opportunistic Chiefs defense that was #2 in turnover differential at #15, only Baltimore was better at #17. The Chiefs defense stunk up the field in the second half allowing the Titans offense 19 points to a very mediocre QB and rush attack. It was more the lack of a run game and bad defense that lost that playoff game IMO. I would take QB Alex Smith any day over Tyrod Taylor! I would consider A Smith to be a good upgrade to the Bills QB position and do not place as much emphasis on post season play as others might do and why I used him as an example. thanks for the reply Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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