Socal-805 Posted January 4, 2018 Share Posted January 4, 2018 How are the Bills and their # 29 ranked rush D supposed to stop or even slow up the J-Ville rushing attack? Bring in an extra LB? Is there a name for that package, if it exists? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigDingus Posted January 4, 2018 Share Posted January 4, 2018 3 minutes ago, Socal-805 said: How are the Bills and their # 29 ranked rush D supposed to stop or even slow up the J-Ville rushing attack? Bring in an extra LB? Is there a name for that package, if it exists? Hire Sam Adams off the street & hope he's still fat enough to plug into the middle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
prissythecat Posted January 4, 2018 Share Posted January 4, 2018 5 minutes ago, Socal-805 said: How are the Bills and their # 29 ranked rush D supposed to stop or even slow up the J-Ville rushing attack? Bring in an extra LB? Is there a name for that package, if it exists? Yes. We have a Joe Webb spider package . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bills fan since 87 Posted January 4, 2018 Share Posted January 4, 2018 The stats are a bit deceiving. Jax runs the ball FAR more than even the second top running team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo716 Posted January 4, 2018 Share Posted January 4, 2018 It's called maintain gap control and Do Not overpersue take good angles and stick fournette early and often Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Socal-805 Posted January 4, 2018 Author Share Posted January 4, 2018 6 minutes ago, BigDingus said: Hire Sam Adams off the street & hope he's still fat enough to plug into the middle. Ted Washington!?! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted January 4, 2018 Share Posted January 4, 2018 4 minutes ago, Bills fan since 87 said: The stats are a bit deceiving. Jax runs the ball FAR more than even the second top running team. Correct - Douggernaut volume rushing ypc is not impressive 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fixxxer Posted January 4, 2018 Share Posted January 4, 2018 Relax, we have Rickey Hatley.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fadingpain Posted January 4, 2018 Share Posted January 4, 2018 I believe the Bills' team of lawyers are currently feverishly working on an interesting contractual loophole stemming from the employment contracts of the Ryan Brothers. Long story short, my sources tell me the Bills will be able to force Rob Ryan into employment for Sunday's game; they intend to dress him as a defensive tackle. The theory, according to my source, is that Rob will count as one big body; his stomach will count as a second big body. In this way we will skirt the rules by effectively having 12 players on defense even though only 11 are allowed. With Rob plugging the middle and likely drawing double or triple teams, other players like Kyle Wiliams will be freed up. Expect the Jaguars to have a very rough time in the ground game. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Socal-805 Posted January 4, 2018 Author Share Posted January 4, 2018 (edited) 9 minutes ago, Bills fan since 87 said: The stats are a bit deceiving. Jax runs the ball FAR more than even the second top running team. They are ranked # 1 in the league for attempts/game at 32... Edited January 4, 2018 by Socal-805 wrong Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buffaloboyinATL Posted January 4, 2018 Share Posted January 4, 2018 12 minutes ago, Socal-805 said: How are the Bills and their # 29 ranked rush D supposed to stop or even slow up the J-Ville rushing attack? Bring in an extra LB? Is there a name for that package, if it exists? The 3-5 Defense of course Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigDingus Posted January 4, 2018 Share Posted January 4, 2018 2 minutes ago, Socal-805 said: Ted Washington!?! Yes! He'll work too! In fact, bring them both back. I'm still confident their combined 2000 lb bodies will be able to plug the middle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koko78 Posted January 4, 2018 Share Posted January 4, 2018 21 minutes ago, Socal-805 said: How are the Bills and their # 29 ranked rush D supposed to stop or even slow up the J-Ville rushing attack? Bring in an extra LB? Is there a name for that package, if it exists? I prefer the Tonya Harding approach... He can't run on one leg! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Murray Posted January 4, 2018 Share Posted January 4, 2018 we need to get the lead early forcing them to pass more than they want. On D, crowd the line and hope White and Gains can hold their own. Hyde and poyer will need to make tackles early. Our only advantage it seems is Jax has a poor run defense by the numbers, hence why they traded for Marcell. I think if we get a lead and then start gashing them on the ground with it, they will panic and start trying to throw too much. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fadingpain Posted January 4, 2018 Share Posted January 4, 2018 4 minutes ago, BigDingus said: Yes! He'll work too! In fact, bring them both back. I'm still confident their combined 2000 lb bodies will be able to plug the middle. I have often wondered why NFL teams don't go full Sumo Wrestler when it comes to interior linemen, maybe even on both sides of the ball. A lot of what those guys do is physics; if you way 560 lbs like the Japanese sumo champion usually does, it is going to be awfully hard for other guys to move you. Have to have some degree of stamina and athleticism/balance of course, but the best Sumo wrestlers do, even at that size. I realize a sumo wrestler doesn't have to run around much, but it's still an interesting idea. Like how long before the NFL sees its first 400 lb. lineman? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaviorPeterman Posted January 4, 2018 Share Posted January 4, 2018 I'm very concerned about this matchup especially going against a superior HC in St. Doug, but I have a gut feeling the Bills will find a way to keep this feel good story alive one more week. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fadingpain Posted January 4, 2018 Share Posted January 4, 2018 2 minutes ago, Bill Murray said: we need to get the lead early forcing them to pass more than they want. On D, crowd the line and hope White and Gains can hold their own. Hyde and poyer will need to make tackles early. Our only advantage it seems is Jax has a poor run defense by the numbers, hence why they traded for Marcell. I think if we get a lead and then start gashing them on the ground with it, they will panic and start trying to throw too much. How are we going to get a lead forcing them to pass if Tyrod has another 57 or 112 yard passing game? They better be scheming up tons of new plays that rely on Tyrod's mobility, or we're dead ducks. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PolishPrince Posted January 4, 2018 Share Posted January 4, 2018 4 minutes ago, Fadingpain said: I have often wondered why NFL teams don't go full Sumo Wrestler when it comes to interior linemen, maybe even on both sides of the ball. A lot of what those guys do is physics; if you way 560 lbs like the Japanese sumo champion usually does, it is going to be awfully hard for other guys to move you. Have to have some degree of stamina and athleticism/balance of course, but the best Sumo wrestlers do, even at that size. I realize a sumo wrestler doesn't have to run around much, but it's still an interesting idea. Like how long before the NFL sees its first 400 lb. lineman? Interesting, however I think part of the difference is the added hindrance on mobility/quickness when you throw on full pads., vs a cloth diaper. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Murray Posted January 4, 2018 Share Posted January 4, 2018 6 minutes ago, Fadingpain said: How are we going to get a lead forcing them to pass if Tyrod has another 57 or 112 yard passing game? They better be scheming up tons of new plays that rely on Tyrod's mobility, or we're dead ducks. if tyrod plays very poorly, its likely we lose. that is the same for the 31 other teams. If you are going into this expecting 57 yards passing, you probably shouldnt bother watching Sunday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jr1 Posted January 4, 2018 Share Posted January 4, 2018 Bortles has 64 interceptions in 61 starts. Make him throw 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Socal-805 Posted January 4, 2018 Author Share Posted January 4, 2018 7 minutes ago, Fadingpain said: How are we going to get a lead forcing them to pass if Tyrod has another 57 or 112 yard passing game? They better be scheming up tons of new plays that rely on Tyrod's mobility, or we're dead ducks. J-Ville 2ndary ranked at the TOP in the league as well. # 1 in fact. Yards / game and yards / attempt. Good luck TT... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fadingpain Posted January 4, 2018 Share Posted January 4, 2018 9 minutes ago, PolishPrince said: Interesting, however I think part of the difference is the added hindrance on mobility/quickness when you throw on full pads., vs a cloth diaper. Not sure about that. That's not even a diaper they wear! It's like a super long "sash" that wraps around the crotch area. I believe DC Tom specialized in doing the wrappings for the professional sumo wrestling association when he lived in Japan; you could PM him for more details on that. I like the idea of parking a 450 lb. sumo guy as nose tackle, on run downs. Ask him to plug the middle and not be moved. If nothing else, that forces the offense to go around the center of the line. That alone could be useful for one of these guys. Could also be useful on goal line stands. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victory Formation Posted January 4, 2018 Share Posted January 4, 2018 My gut is telling me both teams stop the run. I think Fournette and McCoy both get shutdown, it turns into a chess match between Bortles and Tyrod. Just my gut feeling. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fadingpain Posted January 4, 2018 Share Posted January 4, 2018 6 minutes ago, Bill Murray said: if tyrod plays very poorly, its likely we lose. that is the same for the 31 other teams. If you are going into this expecting 57 yards passing, you probably shouldnt bother watching Sunday. I'm not expecting 57 yards passing, I'm fearing it! Just now, NewDayBills said: My gut is telling me both teams stop the run. I think Fournette and McCoy both get shutdown, it turns into a chess match between Bortles and Tyrod. Just my gut feeling. Not sure if your are goofing around or serious. Anyway, a game like that is the game we have a shot at winning. The road to victory in this game runs straight through Blake Bortles. He is by far the weakest link in the Jaguar chain. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roundybout Posted January 4, 2018 Share Posted January 4, 2018 17 minutes ago, SaviorPeterman said: I'm very concerned about this matchup especially going against a superior HC in St. Doug, but I have a gut feeling the Bills will find a way to keep this feel good story alive one more week. 1 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick the Greek Posted January 4, 2018 Share Posted January 4, 2018 I haven’t reviewed enough Jags game footage but.. Is Fournette a north/south style back, or is a shifty one. Based on games this this season, it seems like we have had issues stopping backs that could turn the corner as we can’t seal the gaps around the corner. See what Kamara did for the Saints and Drake for Dolphins. if Fournette is more of an up the middle bruiser, this may bode well for us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victory Formation Posted January 4, 2018 Share Posted January 4, 2018 2 minutes ago, Fadingpain said: I'm not expecting 57 yards passing, I'm fearing it! Not sure if your are goofing around or serious. Anyway, a game like that is the game we have a shot at winning. The road to victory in this game runs straight through Blake Bortles. He is by far the weakest link in the Jaguar chain. I think Kyle Williams plays like he's possessed along with the rest of our front 7. I also think our game plan is going to be to shutdown Jacksonville's run game. McDermott and Frazier are going to focus in on this all week. They're going to force Bortles to beat Gaines, White, Hyde and Poyer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fadingpain Posted January 4, 2018 Share Posted January 4, 2018 3 minutes ago, BillsEnthusiast said: A caller called in to Schopp and Bulldog yesterday when Sal Capaccio was on. Anyway, a discussion about how good of a coach Marrone was ensued; the consensus by all involved was that he's actually a good coach. Of course, for reasons other than pure coaching ability, he is vilified in WNY. I agree he is probably a pretty good coach though. Had he stayed here, we well may have made the playoffs before now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan1 Posted January 4, 2018 Share Posted January 4, 2018 Best Chance - Get the Jags in throwing situations and get after Bortles. If Fournette gets going, Bills will lose. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jobot Posted January 4, 2018 Share Posted January 4, 2018 stats are misleading... The Bills gave up a record setting amount of yards in back to back games that definitely skews us to this rank. Based on the eye-test... I see this team more in the 18-20 rank of run defense TODAY. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaviorPeterman Posted January 4, 2018 Share Posted January 4, 2018 4 minutes ago, Fadingpain said: A caller called in to Schopp and Bulldog yesterday when Sal Capaccio was on. Anyway, a discussion about how good of a coach Marrone was ensued; the consensus by all involved was that he's actually a good coach. Of course, for reasons other than pure coaching ability, he is vilified in WNY. I agree he is probably a pretty good coach though. Had he stayed here, we well may have made the playoffs before now. As of today I still believe St. Doug is a great coach and living up to the young Bills Parcells comparisons. We may or may not regret letting him go depending on what happens with McD the next few years. And technically he did get the Jags back to the playoffs before the Bills since they clinched their spot with 2 weeks left in the regular season. Either way what's done is done and there is no turning back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victory Formation Posted January 4, 2018 Share Posted January 4, 2018 2 minutes ago, BillsFan1 said: Best Chance - Get the Jags in throwing situations and get after Bortles. If Fournette gets going, Bills will lose. They're going to do the same thing to Tyrod, you better believe it. Only difference is, Tyrod can call his own number and pick up some yards on the ground. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted January 4, 2018 Share Posted January 4, 2018 They'll get their rushing yards. The key is to stop them in the red zone and create turnovers when Bortles actually throws the ball, which he is not shy of doing. The Bills are not a good defense between the 20's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miyagi-Do Karate Posted January 4, 2018 Share Posted January 4, 2018 17 minutes ago, NewDayBills said: My gut is telling me both teams stop the run. I think Fournette and McCoy both get shutdown, it turns into a chess match between Bortles and Tyrod. Just my gut feeling. Or checkers match? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan2313 Posted January 4, 2018 Share Posted January 4, 2018 45 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: Correct - Douggernaut volume rushing ypc is not impressive 7th in the NFL in YPC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ddaryl Posted January 4, 2018 Share Posted January 4, 2018 8 in the box, force them to throw. turnovers are our strength 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted January 4, 2018 Share Posted January 4, 2018 20 minutes ago, NewDayBills said: My gut is telling me both teams stop the run. I think Fournette and McCoy both get shutdown, it turns into a chess match between Bortles and Tyrod. Just my gut feeling. 1D chess match Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miyagi-Do Karate Posted January 4, 2018 Share Posted January 4, 2018 1 minute ago, YoloinOhio said: 1D chess match I would like to see Bortles and TT play chess. They probably would both only look at half the board. 19 minutes ago, Idandria said: I haven’t reviewed enough Jags game footage but.. Is Fournette a north/south style back, or is a shifty one. Based on games this this season, it seems like we have had issues stopping backs that could turn the corner as we can’t seal the gaps around the corner. See what Kamara did for the Saints and Drake for Dolphins. if Fournette is more of an up the middle bruiser, this may bode well for us. Both. Really nice speed once he gets going, but mostly a downhill runner. Looks to plow guys over. Almost like a faster/thinner Jerome Bettis at times, with breakaway speed. We are going to need to tackle well. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleeding Bills Blue Posted January 4, 2018 Share Posted January 4, 2018 45 minutes ago, SaviorPeterman said: I'm very concerned about this matchup especially going against a superior HC in St. Doug, but I have a gut feeling the Bills will find a way to keep this feel good story alive one more week. I think coaching might be one of the few areas that we are relative equals in. Neither has ever been coached a team in the playoffs before. Both have been assistants for teams that were in the playoffs though. Both coaches are conservative, both prefer a bend but don't break approach on defense, limiting turnovers, and running the ball to get in makeable 3rd downs. Very similar philosophies - but their team has a lot more talent. Always will come down to QB though. I don't think Tyrod is much better than Bortles, but if he has a good game we'll probably win. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billykay Posted January 4, 2018 Share Posted January 4, 2018 27 minutes ago, NewDayBills said: They're going to do the same thing to Tyrod, you better believe it. Only difference is, Tyrod can call his own number and pick up some yards on the ground. Bortles is athletic & can motor pretty well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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