Tyrod Taylor: Playoff QB

[PromoTheRobot]

1 hour ago, Teddy KGB said:

 

Idk what you’re watching but Trubisky is oooozing promise and upside. 

 

Bills aren’t a playoff team in the nfc.   First weekend has Rams, Panthers, Saints, and Falcons playing.  

 

to be continued next year.    Go bills.  

 

Have any Aaron Rogers vs Vikings clips to show ? 

 

 

 

why didn’t you link this video ?

 

I'll say this. People don't give up their binkies easy.

[klos63]

2 minutes ago, Finkle Is Einhorn said:

Yea I understand... different but similar in some ways. Moral of the story we can't make an emotional decision in regards to Tyrod.  

I agree, but most teams that make the playoffs(and advance??) usually don't actively try to replace their QB.  Need to be careful about this.

[PromoTheRobot]

23 minutes ago, BuffaloHokie13 said:

Don't you mean pantsed?

OMG, of course! RLB>Maury Ballstein>TeddyKGB! He's regenerating like a time lord!

[twoandfourteen]

6 minutes ago, Scott7975 said:

Bortles has been the same as Tyrod statistically.  No where near far and away better.

 

237 overall yards per game 1.5 overall TDs per game 0.6 overall turnovers per game

265 overall yards per game 1.6 overall TDs per game 1.23 overall turnovers per game

 

Which one is "far and away better?"

 

Two quick questions -- Did you include Bortles' rookie year stats in those numbers? Are your TT numbers just from his 3 years as a starter? 

 

 

[Buffalo Boy]

17 minutes ago, twoandfourteen said:

Ds) and can spin around in the pocket really fast. 

 

Dudes got the best loop d loop move going!!!

My favorite is when he does it from a clean pocket with multiple open receivers ?

[Scott7975]

Just now, twoandfourteen said:

 

Two quick questions -- Did you include Bortles' rookie year stats in those numbers? Are your TT numbers just from his 3 years as a starter? 

 

 

yes and yes.  I don't feel Tyrods previous mop up duty stats are relevant.  Bortles actually started his rookie season to me its relevant.  

[Teddy KGB]

5 minutes ago, PromoTheRobot said:

OMG, of course! RLB>Maury Ballstein>TeddyKGB! He's regenerating like a time lord!

 

Idk what a time lord or a ballstein means but Myles Garrett and Bears fans don’t ride with ya. 

 

http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-films-sound-efx/0ap3000000899447/Sound-FX-Trubisky-turns-down-hot-chocolate-on-sidelines-during-Bears-win?akmobile=ios&akcarrier=other

 

tried pm ya.     Doesn’t seem to work.   Please make that trade call though 

Edited January 1, 2018 by Teddy KGB

[twoandfourteen]

13 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said:

Bro, it’s not 2007 anymore. Eli hasn’t been good the last few years. He’s become an average starter. You so badly want to hate on Tyrod and you sound like a fool today. I’m not sure why it bothers you that he’s an okay starter? I’m guessing that you spent the entire season complaining about him and hoping for Peterman. Now you are grasping at straws so that you can be “less wrong.” He’s okay and you can either accept that or continue to be wrong. I don’t care either way.

 

 

Yeah... 4000+ passing yards, 25-35 TDs. 

 

Simply awful. 

 

Even this season for Manning was way better than Taylor -- and it is universally agreed upon that this was one of Eli's worst ever. 

 

What bothers me is people running around proclaiming that Tyrod Taylor is an "okay" starter when he's really not. I'm tired of watching Bills QBs run the offense into the ground every week and struggle to put up 185 yards passing and 17 points. The truth is that Eli is an "okay" starter now. Taylor isn't on that level. 

[Kirby Jackson]

Just now, twoandfourteen said:

 

 

Yeah... 4000+ passing yards, 25-35 TDs. 

 

Simply awful. 

 

Even this season for Manning was way better than Taylor -- and it is universally agreed upon that this was one of Eli's worst ever. 

 

What bothers me is people running around proclaiming that Tyrod Taylor is an "okay" starter when he's really not. I'm tired of watching Bills QBs run the offense into the ground every week and struggle to put up 185 yards passing and 17 points. The truth is that Eli is an "okay" starter now. Taylor isn't on that level. 

Tyrod is an okay starter and you are going to have to deal with it. Whether you are tired of it or not makes no difference. 

[twoandfourteen]

8 minutes ago, Scott7975 said:

yes and yes.  I don't feel Tyrods previous mop up duty stats are relevant.  Bortles actually started his rookie season to me its relevant.  

 

Of course you did. Because those two data sets reflect two different things -- you are factoring Bortles' struggles learning on the job into his overall production, while giving Taylor an artificial 'bump' by only using his stats after 4 years in the league. 

 

So, while you are trying to say that those numbers reflect similar players... in reality, they are further apart than you claim they are. 

[Teddy KGB]

6 minutes ago, twoandfourteen said:

 

 

Yeah... 4000+ passing yards, 25-35 TDs. 

 

Simply awful. 

 

Even this season for Manning was way better than Taylor -- and it is universally agreed upon that this was one of Eli's worst ever. 

 

What bothers me is people running around proclaiming that Tyrod Taylor is an "okay" starter when he's really not. I'm tired of watching Bills QBs run the offense into the ground every week and struggle to put up 185 yards passing and 17 points. The truth is that Eli is an "okay" starter now. Taylor isn't on that level. 

 

Preach.    9-7 overrides all the facts though 

 

Didn’t apply to Orton and Marrone but does apply to Taylor ??????

[dgrochester55]

1 hour ago, racketmaster said:

I believe most Bills fans opinions of Tyrod are a little skewed. The national media tends to look a Taylor as a decent qb where as in Buffalo most have been looking to replace him since his first year.  Because we are in the same division as Tom Brady, our vision of what a qb needs to be is skewed from most other teams. We look at Brady and see him so often. And we are looking for a qb that can compete with Brady so we can beat our nemesis. In reality, the standard of quarterbacking is impossible for Tyrod to reach. He plays next to the greatest qb in NFL history and he is overmatched as most every other qb would be. If Matt Ryan were in New England instead of Brady I think we might look at Tyrod differently. Tyrod would be a more acceptable level of quarterback because he would still give the Bills a chance to win their division. But being outclassed by Brady every time they play makes Tyrod look worse than he really is. 

 

This is exactly it.  Combine this with the traditional impatience that Buffalo fans have with quarterbacks and the views on Tyrod are inevitable.    Don't forget when Kelly was in his prime, that there was a significant camp of fans that thought Kelly should be benched for Reich.  Imagine what the boards would have looked like if the internet existed back then?

 

Elite QB's are hard to come by.  

 

If Buffalo has Dalton, Mariotta, Winston, Tannehill, Bortles, Eli Manning, Flacco, Alex Smith or Stafford, I am convinced that he is being anointed as a worse starting option than any rookie or mediocre veteran that comes up in conversations in the same way that Taylor currently is.   This does not mean that I think Taylor is elite, just that quarterbacks in Buffalo are put under a larger microscope than most other places. 

 

[dave mcbride]

10 hours ago, Kelly the Dog said:

Except they were a 9-6 team with him. And little help. 

8-6.

[26CornerBlitz]

Attention Haters! He can't hear you.  

[Scott7975]

4 minutes ago, twoandfourteen said:

 

Of course you did. Because those two data sets reflect two different things -- you are factoring Bortles' struggles learning on the job into his overall production, while giving Taylor an artificial 'bump' by only using his stats after 4 years in the league. 

 

So, while you are trying to say that those numbers reflect similar players... in reality, they are further apart than you claim they are. 

Do you remove rookie seasons when you look up career stats for any QB?  No, I bet you don't.  No one does unless they are looking to skew stats.  As for Tyrods previous stats it's disingenuous to include mop up duty stats when you are breaking down stats on a per game basis.  Do you know how much it skews stats to use 5 pass attempts and call it a full game?  You may not like my answer but it is the correct answer. 

 

If you want to add worthless play time to Tyrod and remove real playtime from a QB to skew crap in your favor and be disingenuous be my guest.  It still isn't worlds different btw except in yards.  Tds per game is still not even half a TD a game difference and Bortles turnovers are still double Tyrods.  

 

[/dev/null]

14 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said:

Attention Haters! He can't hear you.  

 

Tyrod needs those headphones because his suit is terribly loud

[26CornerBlitz]

Just now, /dev/null said:

 

Tyrod needs those headphones because his suit is terribly loud

 

You're just green with envy. 

[Chicken Boo]

I'm no longer for trading up to grab a QB, unless it's reasonable.  

 

Use these picks and build the team! 

 

On a side note, I really like USC's Burnett as a return/slot/burner-type of guy in round 4ish.

[twoandfourteen]

12 minutes ago, Scott7975 said:

Do you remove rookie seasons when you look up career stats for any QB?  No, I bet you don't.  No one does unless they are looking to skew stats.  As for Tyrods previous stats it's disingenuous to include mop up duty stats when you are breaking down stats on a per game basis.  Do you know how much it skews stats to use 5 pass attempts and call it a full game?  You may not like my answer but it is the correct answer. 

 

If you want to add worthless play time to Tyrod and remove real playtime from a QB to skew crap in your favor and be disingenuous be my guest.  It still isn't worlds different btw except in yards.  Tds per game is still not even half a TD a game difference and Bortles turnovers are still double Tyrods.  

 

 

I was simply pointing out that your particular argument had a major flaw. 

 

I will say this -- while Bortles is a far more capable passer with better handle on the modern NFL offense, he is also more likely to blow up at a crucial moment and cost you a game.  

 

Taylor won't put up big passing numbers and won't commit turnovers. So as long as your offensive gameplan is built on the defense scoring a TD and a strong running attack, you should be in good shape to grind out a 16-10 win. 

[PromoTheRobot]

51 minutes ago, Teddy KGB said:

 

Idk what a time lord or a ballstein means but Myles Garrett and Bears fans don’t ride with ya. 

 

http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-films-sound-efx/0ap3000000899447/Sound-FX-Trubisky-turns-down-hot-chocolate-on-sidelines-during-Bears-win?akmobile=ios&akcarrier=other

 

tried pm ya.     Doesn’t seem to work.   Please make that trade call though 

 

Probably because you are still on my ignore list Ryan...err, Maury...er, Teddy.

 

FYI:  http://tardis.wikia.com/wiki/Regeneration

Edited January 1, 2018 by PromoTheRobot

[#34fan]

This thread should be dedicated to Andy Dalton... The QB who, with a stunning and selfless performance, helped the bills to the playoffs.

[Teddy KGB]

6 minutes ago, #34fan said:

This thread should be dedicated to Andy Dalton... The QB who, with a stunning and selfless performance, helped the bills to the playoffs.

 

If bengals give up on him we can upgrade our bridge 

[87168]

12 minutes ago, #34fan said:

This thread should be dedicated to Andy Dalton... The QB who, with a stunning and selfless performance, helped the bills to the playoffs.

there's already a thread for that:

this threat is about TT and the fact that he is indeed, a playoff caliber qb, who should be retained until a proven better option is available.

[#34fan]

6 minutes ago, Teddy KGB said:

 

If bengals give up on him we can upgrade our bridge 

 

Sounds like a plan to me.

[Teddy KGB]

24 minutes ago, PromoTheRobot said:

 

Probably because you are still on my ignore list Ryan...err, Maury...er, Teddy.

 

FYI:  http://tardis.wikia.com/wiki/Regeneration

 

Chargers 9-7 Lions 9-7 Cowboys 9-7 Seahawks 9-7 Ravens 9-7 Bills 9-7 ??

Edited January 1, 2018 by Teddy KGB

[#34fan]

Just now, 87168 said:

there's already a thread for that:

this threat is about TT and the fact that he is indeed, a playoff caliber qb, who should be retained until a proven better option is available.

 

Sounds crazier, and crazier every time I read it.... We are where we are because of Andy Dalton, Shady, and the hapless Miami Dolphins.. Plus, don't you have to WIN an actual playoff game to be playoff caliber QB?

[DaBills51]

4 hours ago, PeterGriffin said:

You can have him, i'll take the field.

 

Mariotta will be a starting QB next year and Taylor won't be. 

 

Who's the one who's dense and knows nothing! Here's a clue, look in the mirror! 

 

 

 

1) That argument makes no sense and does a laughable job at ignoring what I presented to you. Facts are tough to argue with though when you are coming from a point of sheer stupidity. I get it. Answer the question - do the Bills make the playoffs if Taylor threw 15 ints like Mariota this season? You can't. You'll ignore it again because you can't argue with logic and reason. 

 

2) If Taylor isn't on the Bills next year he's starting somewhere else. If you can't see that, then its clear you don't understand what the QB situation is like in the league. Maybe ask the Browns how Kizer was for them.

 

But have a happy new year filled with delusion and illogical rantings. 

[26CornerBlitz]

 

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

1 hour ago, 26CornerBlitz said:

Attention Haters! He can't hear you.  

Better a hater I guess than a blind follower.  

 

And as dev hinted at (loud)  that suit will blind you.  

Edited January 1, 2018 by ShadyBillsFan

[Bangarang]

The drought being over doesn’t change what we’ve gotten for the last 3 years. I can only hope a QB is drafted high.

[Big Gun]

54 minutes ago, DaBills51 said:

 

1) That argument makes no sense and does a laughable job at ignoring what I presented to you. Facts are tough to argue with though when you are coming from a point of sheer stupidity. I get it. Answer the question - do the Bills make the playoffs if Taylor threw 15 ints like Mariota this season? You can't. You'll ignore it again because you can't argue with logic and reason. 

 

2) If Taylor isn't on the Bills next year he's starting somewhere else. If you can't see that, then its clear you don't understand what the QB situation is like in the league. Maybe ask the Browns how Kizer was for them.

 

But have a happy new year filled with delusion and illogical rantings. 

Nope, so that means Mariota is the better QB because he can throw 15 ints vs Taylors 4 ints and still get his team into the playoffs and Taylor couldn't if he threw 15 ints. 

 

Maybe if you keep insulting me and calling me names your IQ will improve but I doubt it.

 

And Mariota will still have a starting job next year opposed to Tyrod. You spilled a little you better wipe your chin. 

 

 

[Jay_Fixit]

Tyrod is on a team that made the playoffs. 

[26CornerBlitz]

 

Amen to this. 

[Teddy KGB]

1 minute ago, 26CornerBlitz said:

 

Amen to this. 

 

Amen to the benching.     Bosa didn’t get to beat him up to bad so he would miss the chiefs game.    

 

Yawn, to the bs narrative about benching starters that don’t perform.     You sound like a Ryan brother. 

 

Mccoach > poor qb fanboy 

[DaBills51]

42 minutes ago, PeterGriffin said:

Nope, so that means Mariota is the better QB because he can throw 15 ints vs Taylors 4 ints and still get his team into the playoffs and Taylor couldn't if he threw 15 ints. 

 

Maybe if you keep insulting me and calling me names your IQ will improve but I doubt it.

 

And Mariota will still have a starting job next year opposed to Tyrod. You spilled a little you better wipe your chin. 

 

 

 

Man you're dumb. So by that logic you just used, if it's all on the QB, then Taylor got the Bills to the playoffs. Can't have it just that way for Mariota. 

 

You're seriously trying to argue that Mariota was better than Taylor this year because Mariota threw for less TDs and more INTs.

 

Edited January 1, 2018 by DaBills51

[26CornerBlitz]

1 minute ago, Teddy KGB said:

 

Amen to the benching.     Bosa didn’t get to beat him up to bad so he would miss the chiefs game.    

 

Yawn, to the bs narrative about benching starters that don’t perform.     You sound like a Ryan brother. 

 

Mccoach > poor qb fanboy 

 

 Comic relief. You still know nothing.  One QB (Peterman)  in his pants when facing pressure while the other (Tyrod) offten escapes pressure to make positive plays.  Your analysis is juvenile and silly. 

[nedboy7]

Time for a therapist. 

[transplantbillsfan]

5 hours ago, ShadyBillsFan said:

Kyle freaking Williams, Dennison,  McDermott and the defense won that game.  

 

The QB did what he always does.  Plays well then turtles up.    

 

 

You are seriously unbelievably stubborn. So stubborn that it absolutely blinds you.

 

Is it really not become completely obvious to you yet that this whole going into a shell and becoming conservative thing is really largely a product of McDermott's game planning, which frankly I'm really not going to criticize because he managed to get us into the playoffs.

 

 But it looks pretty clear that and "McDermott world" it would be ideal to get a lead quickly and then allow the defense to hold that lead while playing Uber conservative on offense, being sure never to turn the ball over. 

 

Unbelievable that you aren't even giving credit to Taylor for winning a game. On the bills first two drives Taylor was 8/11 for 111 yards passing, 1 TD, 2/3 on 3rd downs and the team jumped out to a 10-0 lead midway into the 2nd quarter.

 

But yeah... let's not give Taylor any credit

Edited January 1, 2018 by transplantbillsfan

[87168]

1 hour ago, #34fan said:

 

Sounds crazier, and crazier every time I read it.... We are where we are because of Andy Dalton, Shady, and the hapless Miami Dolphins.. Plus, don't you have to WIN an actual playoff game to be playoff caliber QB?

if that helps you sleep at night.

[Teddy KGB]

12 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said:

 

 Comic relief. You still know nothing.  One QB (Peterman)  in his pants when facing pressure while the other (Tyrod) offten escapes pressure to make positive plays.  Your analysis is juvenile and silly. 

 

McDermott is a head coach in the nfl.   You sit in a cubicle and link tweets.  

 

You lose.