Tyrod Taylor: Playoff QB

[RobH063]

13 hours ago, TuelTime said:

He did it in 15 games too. And with his #1 WR  for years traded away before the start of the season. Did a single WR from last year even return? Taylor did pretty well this year when you think about it.

For years? Watkins only played in 21 games with Taylor on the roster. How does that constitute "And with his #1 WR  for years traded away before the start of the season"

[twoandfourteen]

9 hours ago, Hurricane Marv said:

Tyrod Taylor is stastically, a fine starting QB in the NFL.  The entire world knows this and has been telling us for two years.

 

But a bunch of armchair forum fans scream that he doesn't pass the eye test because he's not John Elway.  OK, let's see what happens.

 

Now he's in the playoffs.  In the playoffs at 28 years old by the way, which is meaningful.  I want to keep the guy - I don't get why any sane, rational football fan can hate him all things considered.  Yes, I've watched him too.   

 

What statistics are you looking at? By every statistical measure, he's not a good starting NFL QB. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Teddy KGB]

2 minutes ago, QB Bills said:

 

 

Look at the porous offensive line and how teams never blitz us because they know they don't have to which means there are 7 or 8 guys in coverage on almost every passing play.

 

Look at Dennison's antiquated and predictable scheme and how we run on first down more than any other team.

 

Now tell me how many QBs in the league could do more than Tyrod has this season. Very few, in my opinion. 

 

The Tyrod bashing here used to irritate me but I've realized that group is made up of people who aren't all that bright nor seem like they understand context when evaluating individual players in a sport with many moving parts.

 

Look at the fake news about the OL. 

 

Wr, OL, Dennisons fault.         The cot handbook read aloud ???

[QB Bills]

18 minutes ago, OldTimeAFLGuy said:

 

....hey Doc....HINT: it was sarcasm.......lighten up bud....what's intriguing to me is the mental moxey and cerebral aptitude the kid is already showing at this level....you'll never convince me the adrenalin wasn't pumping like hell in his 1st start and that he thought he could make every throw in every circumstance......pretty easy to underestimate the speed of the game at this level versus college...only a select 1,696 make it here....so he had 5 picks...Cousins, yup the $30 million dollar man had THREE yesterday and he's a bit (COUGH) more experienced......I think this Peterman kid has a huge upside...stay tuned...........

Lol

 

I'm more convinced than ever that the Bills could have picked any random jabroni in the draft as long as he physically looked like a prototypical/conventional QB and certain fans would be anointing him as the answer.

Edited January 1, 2018 by QB Bills

[twoandfourteen]

4 minutes ago, QB Bills said:

Look at the hapless receiver group throughout the season. A gimpy Benjamin and whole bunch of nothing after that.

 

Look at the porous offensive line and how teams never blitz us because they know they don't have to which means there are 7 or 8 guys in coverage on almost every passing play.

 

Look at Dennison's antiquated and predictable scheme and how we run on first down more than any other team.

 

Now tell me how many QBs in the league could do more than Tyrod has this season. Very few, in my opinion. 

 

The Tyrod bashing here used to irritate me but I've realized that group is made up of people who aren't all that bright nor seem like they understand context when evaluating individual players in a sport with many moving parts.

 

Name 15 NFL QBs that a GM would trade you straight up for Taylor, right now. 

 

 

 

[The_Dude]

The Bills made the playoffs in the flukiest of ways. This is no way means we should keep Tyrod Taylor. He’s literally the worst starting QB in the NFL which is why our passing game is dead last. Enough with the nonsense. 

 

Yesterday was AWESOME! The drought is OVER! But we’re still mediocre. And keeping Tyrod would continue our mediocrity. 

[QB Bills]

3 minutes ago, Teddy KGB said:

 

Look at the fake news about the OL. 

 

Wr, OL, Dennisons fault.         The cot handbook read aloud ???

I rest my case

[racketmaster]

I believe most Bills fans opinions of Tyrod are a little skewed. The national media tends to look a Taylor as a decent qb where as in Buffalo most have been looking to replace him since his first year.  Because we are in the same division as Tom Brady, our vision of what a qb needs to be is skewed from most other teams. We look at Brady and see him so often. And we are looking for a qb that can compete with Brady so we can beat our nemesis. In reality, the standard of quarterbacking is impossible for Tyrod to reach. He plays next to the greatest qb in NFL history and he is overmatched as most every other qb would be. If Matt Ryan were in New England instead of Brady I think we might look at Tyrod differently. Tyrod would be a more acceptable level of quarterback because he would still give the Bills a chance to win their division. But being outclassed by Brady every time they play makes Tyrod look worse than he really is. 

[OldTimeAFLGuy]

1 minute ago, QB Bills said:

Lol

 

I'm more convinced than ever that the Bills could have picked any random jabroni in the draft as long as he physically looked like a prototypical/conventional QB and certain fans would be anointing him as the answer.

 

...unfortunately, you forgot to mention just how SMALL that "anointing window" is here among the TBD "One & Done Gang"......in Peterman's case, the ROOK in his FIRST start throws five picks and his "window" had bars on it before the clock hit zero......tough crowd.............

[Kirby Jackson]

4 minutes ago, The_Dude said:

The Bills made the playoffs in the flukiest of ways. This is no way means we should keep Tyrod Taylor. He’s literally the worst starting QB in the NFL which is why our passing game is dead last. Enough with the nonsense. 

 

Yesterday was AWESOME! The drought is OVER! But we’re still mediocre. And keeping Tyrod would continue our mediocrity. 

Is that you Paxton Lynch?

[Teddy KGB]

Just now, QB Bills said:

I rest my case

 

You should fix the part where you throw the OL under the bus with fake news just because you’re in love with Taylor 

 

https://nextgenstats.nfl.com/stats/passing#yards

[QB Bills]

1 minute ago, twoandfourteen said:

 

Name 15 NFL QBs that a GM would trade you straight up for Taylor, right now. 

 

 

 

NFL GMs are stupid for the most part. Why would I care what they would do?

 

Unlike you I am quite secure about my knowledge of football and don't need to reach for the "appeal to authority" approach.

[twoandfourteen]

10 hours ago, Kelly the Dog said:

That question is not indicative of what a player is worth. 

 

You're kidding right? 

 

That question is literally "what is a player worth?"

 

Tyrod Delusion Syndrome is reaching new levels today. 

[Kirby Jackson]

Only Bills fans would be complaining about a guy that ended the drought. Someone called him “the worst starting QB in the NFL.” That guy is an idiot. Appreciate and celebrate you ungrateful pricks!!

[twoandfourteen]

8 minutes ago, QB Bills said:

NFL GMs are stupid for the most part. Why would I care what they would do?

 

Unlike you I am quite secure about my knowledge of football and don't need to reach for the "appeal to authority" approach.

 

Ok, lets play pretend then. 

You are the Bills GM, very secure about your knowledge of football. Every other stupid GM in the NFL is calling you right now offering you their starting QB for Tyrod Taylor, straight up. How many would you consider saying yes to? 

 

 

16 minutes ago, QB Bills said:

Lol

 

I'm more convinced than ever that the Bills could have picked any random jabroni in the draft as long as he physically looked like a prototypical/conventional QB and certain fans would be anointing him as the answer.

 

You mean like DeShaun Watson, Russell Wilson, or Cam Newton? 

 

Edited January 1, 2018 by twoandfourteen

[Kirby Jackson]

2 minutes ago, twoandfourteen said:

 

Ok, lets play pretend then. 

You are the Bills GM, very secure about your knowledge of football. Every other stupid GM in the NFL is calling you right now offering you their starting QB for Tyrod Taylor, straight up. How many would you say yes to? 

 

 

Denver, Jax, Arizona, Baltimore, Miami, Jets, Cleveland, Titans (and don’t debate this one Mariota has been AWFUL), 

[Mr. WEO]

10 hours ago, Teddy KGB said:

 

Its america.   I can do what I want. 

 

Tons of crappy QBs have went 9-7 and we don’t praise them for it. 

 

This team will be better with a better qb.  I stand by that.      Be mad about it if you wish. 

 

Im happy for Tyrod and all the Bills fans but I prefer moving on next year and I have that right.   

 

 

Wouldn't every single NFL team better if they had an even better QB than their current starter.

 

Bold stuff bro

[26CornerBlitz]

Taylore comes in at #20

[Doc]

3 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said:

Denver, Jax, Arizona, Baltimore, Miami, Jets, Cleveland, Titans (and don’t debate this one Mariota has been AWFUL), 

 

You'd take those teams' QB's over Taylor?

[Mr. WEO]

9 minutes ago, twoandfourteen said:

 

Ok, lets play pretend then. 

You are the Bills GM, very secure about your knowledge of football. Every other stupid GM in the NFL is calling you right now offering you their starting QB for Tyrod Taylor, straight up. How many would you consider saying yes to? 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Can you modify that so it says "you are much more knowledgeable of football than the previous 2 Bills GMs"?

[Kirby Jackson]

1 minute ago, Doc said:

 

You'd take those teams' QB's over Taylor?

No, those are the teams that I think have worse starting QBs. 

[unclepete]

14 hours ago, Doc said:

 I was going to post a thread saying that I've change my mind about replacing Taylor next year. I say keep him and build up the team around him. But still try look for the quarterback of the future. 

I’ve been saying this from day one 

[Teddy KGB]

7 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said:

Denver, Jax, Arizona, Baltimore, Miami, Jets, Cleveland, Titans (and don’t debate this one Mariota has been AWFUL), 

 

Take off Baltimore and the Jets and maybe 

 

mccown crushed Taylor a few weeks ago 

Edited January 1, 2018 by Teddy KGB

[unclepete]

51 minutes ago, Teddy KGB said:

 

Has anyone scores on the Vikings this year ? 

 

Trubisky will leave Taylor in the dust year 2 just like Goff did.  

Goff got better with better coaching. 

[Kirby Jackson]

Just now, Teddy KGB said:

 

Take off Baltimore and the Jets and maybe 

Apparently you haven’t watched Flacco over the last few years. He stinks. McCown has a good year but he’s a 38 year-old journeyman. 

[twoandfourteen]

12 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said:

Denver, Jax, Arizona, Baltimore, Miami, Jets, Cleveland, Titans (and don’t debate this one Mariota has been AWFUL), 

 

Ok, great -- I appreciate you playing along here. 

 

I disagree with JAX, TEN, and BALT. Bortles has been far and away the better QB statistically for his career and Mariota had a bad season, but is younger with a much better skill set and higher ceiling. Flacco has a ring and could still conceivably run a more consistent passing offense better than Taylor -- however, that's definitely debatable and I can see going either way. However, I'll give those to you for the sake of this exercise. 

 

Oh, and the Jets depends on whether or not JMcC comes back or not. He's also been statistically better than Taylor overall for the past few years -- and that was playing for Cleveland and The NYJ. 

 

So this means thatTaylor doesn't even crack the top 20 for you, correct? 

Edited January 1, 2018 by twoandfourteen

[Just Joshin']

The recipe:

 

1.  Draft QB in rounds 1/2.  Expect price will be too high to move up to top of draft.

2.  Keep Tyrod and Peterman.

3.  Open competition 

4.  If Tyrod loses make a trade to a team with a QB injury or worse case cut.

[Doc]

3 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said:

No, those are the teams that I think have worse starting QBs. 

 

OK.  Thought so.

 

3 minutes ago, unclepete said:

I’ve been saying this from day one 

 

Actually I'm changing my mind again.  I might start a thread...later.

[Scott7975]

56 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said:

 

How come when I try to play these videos here it always says "The media could not be played."  I have to actually go to the twitter page to play it.  It didn't use to do that.  I know its nothing you did... just hoping someone could give me some advice on how to fix it.

[Kirby Jackson]

2 minutes ago, twoandfourteen said:

 

Ok, great -- I appreciate you playing along here. 

 

I disagree with JAX, TEN, and BALT. Bortles has been far and away the better QB statistically for his career and Mariota had a bad season, but is younger with a much better skill set and higher ceiling. Flacco has a ring and could still conceivably run a more consistent passing offense better than Taylor -- however, that's definitely debatable and I can see going either way. However, I'll give those to you for the sake of this exercise. 

 

So this means thatTaylor doesn't even crack the top 20 for you, correct? 

Bottles has returned to being Bortles, Mariota has been AWFUL and Flacco stinks.

 

I’d have him ahead of the guys that I listed, so no. He is in a tier with guys like Dalton, Eli, and a few others. It’s the group of guys that you can win with but don’t win because of. 

[BuffaloHokie13]

9 minutes ago, Teddy KGB said:

mccown crushed Taylor a few weeks ago

Don't you mean pantsed?

[Scott7975]

51 minutes ago, Stank_Nasty said:

You keep repeating this over and over and over again. The whole turtles up thing. One has to understand there’s other things factoring into this. now I cant say I disagree with you  completely. The 2nd half troubles are maddening. But you can’t discount the conservative nature of our coach and what Taylor was most likely instructed to do in the 2nd half of each dolphin game up big at points. They were up and you could tell the OC and players all we just sitting on it. I hate it becuz it seems to take the rythym out of the game for everyone on offense. Like it or not I don’t think that’s all on Taylor or the players. 

This

[26CornerBlitz]

4 minutes ago, Scott7975 said:

How come when I try to play these videos here it always says "The media could not be played."  I have to actually go to the twitter page to play it.  It didn't use to do that.  I know its nothing you did... just hoping someone could give me some advice on how to fix it.

 

Could be a web browser or internet connection issue

[twoandfourteen]

2 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said:

Bottles has returned to being Bortles, Mariota has been AWFUL and Flacco stinks.

 

I’d have him ahead of the guys that I listed, so no. He is in a tier with guys like Dalton, Eli, and a few others. It’s the group of guys that you can win with but don’t win because of. 

 

In no way, shape, or form does Tyrod Taylor belong in the same group as Eli Manning. The guy has multiple rings and has knocked off the Patriots, twice. He's put his team on his back and won championships. Eli is definitely in the winter of his career, but I don't think there is a sane person on the planet that would take Tyrod over Eli if you needed a QB to go and win a big game.

 

Taylor needed late game heroics from the aforementioned Andy Dalton to get his own team in the playoffs. Dalton is in another tier as well. 

 

So, now factor in that there are several teams with multiple QBs that are better than Taylor -- like Minnesota and Indianapolis, and that places TT firmly in the 27-35 range as far as the league as a whole goes. He is a bottom-tier QB. 

 

It amazes me that people argue this only because the guy doesn't throw INTs (he also doesn't throw for very many TDs) and can spin around in the pocket really fast. 

 

 

[Scott7975]

21 minutes ago, Teddy KGB said:

 

Take off Baltimore and the Jets and maybe 

 

mccown crushed Taylor a few weeks ago 

You mean the Jets did.  McCown had 140 yards and 1 TD.  In the first meeting McCown had no TDs and 2 picks.

[Kirby Jackson]

2 minutes ago, twoandfourteen said:

 

In no way, shape, or form does Tyrod Taylor belong in the same group as Eli Manning. The guy has multiple rings and has knocked off the Patriots, twice. He's put his team on his back and won championships. Eli is definitely in the winter of his career, but I don't think there is a sane person on the planet that would take Tyrod over Eli if you needed a QB to go and win a big game.

 

Taylor needed late game heroics from the aforementioned Andy Dalton to get his own team in the playoffs. Dalton is in another tier as well. 

 

So, now factor in that there are several teams with multiple QBs that are better than Taylor -- like Minnesota and Indianapolis, and that places TT firmly in the 27-35 range as far as the league as a whole goes. He is a bottom-tier QB. 

 

It amazes me that people argue this only because the guy doesn't throw INTs (he also doesn't throw for very many TDs) and can spin around in the pocket really fast. 

 

 

Bro, it’s not 2007 anymore. Eli hasn’t been good the last few years. He’s become an average starter. You so badly want to hate on Tyrod and you sound like a fool today. I’m not sure why it bothers you that he’s an okay starter? I’m guessing that you spent the entire season complaining about him and hoping for Peterman. Now you are grasping at straws so that you can be “less wrong.” He’s okay and you can either accept that or continue to be wrong. I don’t care either way.

[HumbleAndHungry]

We can learn a valuable lesson from the ravens and Joe Flacco regarding Tyrod. don't let a trip to the playoffs or a playoff run skew your opinion of a quarterback

[Scott7975]

20 minutes ago, twoandfourteen said:

 

Ok, great -- I appreciate you playing along here. 

 

I disagree with JAX, TEN, and BALT. Bortles has been far and away the better QB statistically for his career and Mariota had a bad season, but is younger with a much better skill set and higher ceiling. Flacco has a ring and could still conceivably run a more consistent passing offense better than Taylor -- however, that's definitely debatable and I can see going either way. However, I'll give those to you for the sake of this exercise. 

 

Oh, and the Jets depends on whether or not JMcC comes back or not. He's also been statistically better than Taylor overall for the past few years -- and that was playing for Cleveland and The NYJ. 

 

So this means thatTaylor doesn't even crack the top 20 for you, correct? 

Bortles has been the same as Tyrod statistically.  No where near far and away better.

 

237 overall yards per game 1.5 overall TDs per game 0.6 overall turnovers per game

265 overall yards per game 1.6 overall TDs per game 1.23 overall turnovers per game

 

Which one is "far and away better?"

[klos63]

1 minute ago, Finkle Is Einhorn said:

We can learn a valuable lesson from the ravens and Joe Flacco regarding Tyrod. don't let a trip to the playoffs or a playoff run skew your opinion of a quarterback

Flacco did win a Super Bowl, not just a 'trip to the playoffs'

[HumbleAndHungry]

1 minute ago, klos63 said:

Flacco did win a Super Bowl, not just a 'trip to the playoffs'

Yea I understand... different but similar in some ways. Moral of the story we can't make an emotional decision in regards to Tyrod.  

Edited January 1, 2018 by Finkle Is Einhorn