Chiefs to Start Mahomes in Week 17

[Doc]

1 hour ago, The_Dude said:

I don’t care if Tre White turns into the greatest DB ever, I’m still upset we passed on a QB last year. 

 

Let me guess: Watson?

[The_Dude]

7 minutes ago, Doc said:

 

Let me guess: Watson?

 

No, Mahomes. I would have moved heaven and earth to trade up to get him last year. Then he fell to us and McDermott passed. I’ve hated him for it ever since. And now my nightmare scenario might be playing out — we don’t make the playoffs but win too many games to be able to draft a QB. 

 

If they drafted Watson I would have been happy, but it was Mahomes who I wanted. 

 

Edited December 29, 2017 by The_Dude

[ColoradoBills]

2 minutes ago, The_Dude said:

 

What do you think it’ll take to trade up? I’m thinking both firsts, and next years, and possibly one of this years 2’s. 

 

From 20+ to the 2nd overall.

I think what you quoted is minimum.

 

If I looked at it from the Giants/Colts position they could trade to Jets/Broncos for 2 firsts and a 3rd and still get a high impact player this year.

With the overall of a 7th or 8, they could even trade again for someone (Bills) coming up to take the 3rd rated QB.

Personally, I think it's going to be tough for us to get one of the top 3 but the draft is a long way away and lot's could change.

 

That's why a lot of posters including me like the idea of Smith in FA before the draft.

[The_Dude]

3 minutes ago, ColoradoBills said:

 

From 20+ to the 2nd overall.

I think what you quoted is minimum.

 

If I looked at it from the Giants/Colts position they could trade to Jets/Broncos for 2 firsts and a 3rd and still get a high impact player this year.

With the overall of a 7th or 8, they could even trade again for someone (Bills) coming up to take the 3rd rated QB.

Personally, I think it's going to be tough for us to get one of the top 3 but the draft is a long way away and lot's could change.

 

That's why a lot of posters including me like the idea of Smith in FA before the draft.

 

Well that’s just common sense at this point. 

 

We we have to go in that direction and attempt to reasonably trade up if one slides; or we gotta go Cousins. I’d rather go with Smith, and look for one in the draft. 

[ColoradoBills]

4 minutes ago, The_Dude said:

 

Well that’s just common sense at this point. 

 

We we have to go in that direction and attempt to reasonably trade up if one slides; or we gotta go Cousins. I’d rather go with Smith, and look for one in the draft. 

 

yep.

Cousins is an all-in kind of move for McDermott and Beane.  He's going to want at least 4 years.

This offseason is going to so fun to watch.

Even teams like the Bengals with a new coach could move on from Dalton (only 2 million in dead cap) and be in the QB mix.

[reddogblitz]

8 minutes ago, The_Dude said:

 

Well that’s just common sense at this point. 

 

We we have to go in that direction and attempt to reasonably trade up if one slides; or we gotta go Cousins. I’d rather go with Smith, and look for one in the draft. 

 

Trade for Smith. Then we got 2 1sts, 1 2nd, and 2 3rds to plug holes.  Add that to a 8 or 9 win team.

 

Championship

[Dopey]

On 12/27/2017 at 1:12 PM, 26CornerBlitz said:

Juxtapose this posture with that of St. Doug. 

Didn't Doug leave 3 yrs ago? Can't let go, I see.

[26CornerBlitz]

1 minute ago, Dopey said:

Didn't Doug leave 3 yrs ago? Can't let go, I see.

 

Don't be dopey. The comment had nothing to do with Marrone's tenure in Buffalo.  

[Doc Brown]

Worth watching as KC has a decision to make on whether to release Alex Smith or not.

[CommonCents]

4 minutes ago, Doc Brown said:

Worth watching as KC has a decision to make on whether to release Alex Smith or not.

The more I think about it, KC moved on from Smith the second they pulled the trigger in this deal. IMO no way he is back in KC this year.

[Doc]

38 minutes ago, The_Dude said:

No, Mahomes. I would have moved heaven and earth to trade up to get him last year. Then he fell to us and McDermott passed. I’ve hated him for it ever since. And now my nightmare scenario might be playing out — we don’t make the playoffs but win too many games to be able to draft a QB. 

 

If they drafted Watson I would have been happy, but it was Mahomes who I wanted.

 

Why hate them for passing on Mahomes when no one has any idea whether he'll be any good or not?

[Turk71]

I hope Mahomes looks great and the Chiefs let Smith go elsewhere. The more qbs on the market next year the better chance the Bills can land a good one. Bring in a good veteran and draft a qb to groom would be my plan. The fact the Bills passed on Mahomes is meaningless at this point, however good or bad he turns out. 

[Doc]

4 minutes ago, Turk71 said:

I hope Mahomes looks great and the Chiefs let Smith go elsewhere. The more qbs on the market next year the better chance the Bills can land a good one. Bring in a good veteran and draft a qb to groom would be my plan. The fact the Bills passed on Mahomes is meaningless at this point, however good or bad he turns out. 

 

I think Smith will be elsewhere next year regardless of how Mahomes looks this weekend.  You can't wait more than a year on high-1st round QB draft picks. 

[The_Dude]

30 minutes ago, Doc said:

 

Why hate them for passing on Mahomes when no one has any idea whether he'll be any good or not?

 

Because that’s how high I was on Mahomes coming out. Dude, I was willing to trade two 1sts, and our 2nd to move up for him if necessary. I think the kids Brett Favre. 

[Turk71]

10 minutes ago, Doc said:

 

I think Smith will be elsewhere next year regardless of how Mahomes looks this weekend.  You can't wait more than a year on high-1st round QB draft picks. 

I think if Mahomes looks bad and Smith wins a playoff game for them they will be tempted to pick up his 2018 option. 

[Doc Brown]

1 hour ago, Commonsense said:

The more I think about it, KC moved on from Smith the second they pulled the trigger in this deal. IMO no way he is back in KC this year.

You're probably right assuming Mahomes has shown in practice he's ready to be the starter.  They'll save approximately 11 million next year if they trade or release A. Smith.

[BigDingus]

3 hours ago, The_Dude said:

 

Because that’s how high I was on Mahomes coming out. Dude, I was willing to trade two 1sts, and our 2nd to move up for him if necessary. I think the kids Brett Favre. 

 

I would've been ecstatic for Mahomes. As as Texas Tech alumni still living in Texas, to have our QB be the Bills starter would've been so cool to see! All of Lubbock would've become Bills fans, and I'd no longer stick out like a sore thumb lol

But more than that, he's got soooooo much talent. If he can adjust that talent to the NFL, he'll be fantastic.

[26CornerBlitz]

 

[bmur66]

I predict there will be several years of me yelling at the tv saying the Bills should have drafted Mahomes. Just like I do about Russell Wilson.

[Scott7975]

On ‎12‎/‎28‎/‎2017 at 9:10 PM, The_Dude said:

 

Because that’s how high I was on Mahomes coming out. Dude, I was willing to trade two 1sts, and our 2nd to move up for him if necessary. I think the kids Brett Favre. 

You were just as high if not higher on Bortles though.

[The_Dude]

1 hour ago, Scott7975 said:

You were just as high if not higher on Bortles though.

 

Coming out of college I had every reason to be. Bortles is my “first miss.” But I don’t think I missed badly. I know his team is defense and running but he is the QB of a 10-5 team so he’s not a dumpster fire like EJ. 

And I’d take Bortles over Taylor any day. 

[Green Lightning]

On 12/27/2017 at 1:32 PM, BigDingus said:

Awesome. Hope he does well.

At least they don't have a dumb owner who will then turn around and decide to start him for the playoffs if he has a good game....benching the starter that lead them to the playoffs in the first place.

 

 

No...This is not Doug Flutie/Rob Johnson all over again. Nobody is that stupid.

 

RJ had the game won. All we had to do is cover a kickoff. 

1 hour ago, bmur66 said:

I predict there will be several years of me yelling at the tv saying the Bills should have drafted Mahomes. Just like I do about Russell Wilson.

 

Or he has a Peterman implosion. We'll see. I thought then and do know Mahomes needs a few years before starting. I hope he does well enough that they'll let Smith go so we could signed him as a bridge to the QB we draft this year.

[Scott7975]

2 hours ago, The_Dude said:

 

Coming out of college I had every reason to be. Bortles is my “first miss.” But I don’t think I missed badly. I know his team is defense and running but he is the QB of a 10-5 team so he’s not a dumpster fire like EJ. 

And I’d take Bortles over Taylor any day. 

Wasn't trying to knock you really.  Definitely better than EJ.  Taylor and Bortles to me are in the same tier.

[The_Dude]

16 minutes ago, Scott7975 said:

Wasn't trying to knock you really.  Definitely better than EJ.  Taylor and Bortles to me are in the same tier.

 

To me their not and the reason is why people argue Taylor’s better or the reason you could argue Bortles is better. 

 

Bortles isnt scared to throw throw and Taylor is. That’s why I’d prefer Bortles. If we go down, let’s go down swinging. 

 

How is many times has Tyrod not thrown the ball past the sticks on plays he’s needed to throw the ball no matter what? He’s as maddening as Trent and I hate him for it. He doesn’t give our receivers a chance and I hate him. 

[Scott7975]

18 minutes ago, The_Dude said:

 

To me their not and the reason is why people argue Taylor’s better or the reason you could argue Bortles is better. 

 

Bortles isnt scared to throw throw and Taylor is. That’s why I’d prefer Bortles. If we go down, let’s go down swinging. 

 

How is many times has Tyrod not thrown the ball past the sticks on plays he’s needed to throw the ball no matter what? He’s as maddening as Trent and I hate him for it. He doesn’t give our receivers a chance and I hate him. 

 I think they are the same tier.  Sure Bortles may throw the ball more but he also turns it over more.  If you break down their stats they are the same results based QB just doing things in different ways.

 

Bortles 265 overall yards per game 1.6 TDs per game (passing and rushing) 1.23 Turnovers per game (Ints and Fumbles)

Taylor 237 overall yards per game 1.5 TDs per game (passing and rushing) 0.6 Turnovers per game (Ints and Fumbles)

 

So one guy gets about 30 more yards per game (passing + rushing included), pretty much the same amount of TDs per game (passing and rushing), the only difference is one guy has half of the turnovers per game.  Yeah, it might be exciting seeing more yards in the air but at the end of the day they are pretty much identical in results.  Same yards, same TDs, but Tyrod hurts the team a lot less.

 

My conclusion is we would get the same results of needing a better QB regardless of which QB was on this team.

 

Although I do agree with you on this... If we are going to go down... go down swinging.  

Edited December 31, 2017 by Scott7975

[The_Dude]

14 minutes ago, Scott7975 said:

 I think they are the same tier.  Sure Bortles may throw the ball more but he also turns it over more.  If you break down their stats they are the same results based QB just doing things in different ways.

 

Bortles 265 overall yards per game 1.6 TDs per game (passing and rushing) 1.23 Turnovers per game (Ints and Fumbles)

Taylor 237 overall yards per game 1.5 TDs per game (passing and rushing) 0.6 Turnovers per game (Ints and Fumbles)

 

So one guy gets about 30 more yards per game (passing + rushing included), pretty much the same amount of TDs per game (passing and rushing), the only difference is one guy has half of the turnovers per game.  Yeah, it might be exciting seeing more yards in the air but at the end of the day they are pretty much identical in results.  Same yards, same TDs, but Tyrod hurts the team a lot less.

 

My conclusion is we would get the same results of needing a better QB regardless of which QB was on this team.

 

Although I do agree with you on this... If we are going to go down... go down swinging.  

 

Yeah, but let me ask you a question — it’s 4th and long and you NEED your QB to throw it past the sticks, do you trust Taylor or Bortles? To me the answer is the guy that’ll actually throw the ball and that’s Bortles. So I prefer him to Taylor for that reason. He’s not afraid to try and win and Taylor is. 

[Buffalo716]

On 12/28/2017 at 9:10 PM, The_Dude said:

 

Because that’s how high I was on Mahomes coming out. Dude, I was willing to trade two 1sts, and our 2nd to move up for him if necessary. I think the kids Brett Favre. 

 

Thats insane for a kid who never took a snap under center and took a 3 step drop

[The_Dude]

2 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said:

 

Thats insane for a kid who never took a snap under center and took a 3 step drop

 

Oh, I did research first. 

 

The combine physical found that Mahomes’ hips can bend so he should be fine under center, and his knees checked out too so that three step drop thing should be fine. 

 

Im not insane — I’m right. 100%. Mahomes will be one of the best QBs in this league. 

[Scott7975]

4 minutes ago, The_Dude said:

 

Yeah, but let me ask you a question — it’s 4th and long and you NEED your QB to throw it past the sticks, do you trust Taylor or Bortles? To me the answer is the guy that’ll actually throw the ball and that’s Bortles. So I prefer him to Taylor for that reason. He’s not afraid to try and win and Taylor is. 

Maybe maybe not.  I honestly don't watch Bortles all that much so maybe you are right.  On the other hand we all sit here and watch Taylor week in and week out.  We all know he isn't good enough so its easier to say the grass is greener.  You may think that but because we all know he needs replaced you forget about some good that Taylor has done.  There have been many times that Taylor has picked up a first down either by air or some magic with his legs.  Its easily forgotten because people inherently remember the bad more than the good.

[Buffalo716]

3 minutes ago, The_Dude said:

 

Oh, I did research first. 

 

The combine physical found that Mahomes’ hips can bend so he should be fine under center, and his knees checked out too so that three step drop thing should be fine. 

 

Im not insane — I’m right. 100%. Mahomes will be one of the best QBs in this league. 

 

Well you aren't right because he isn't an established vet yet.

 

and sure he has immense physical talent but so did Ryan leaf and Jamarcus Russell and Brady Quinn and Jimmy Clausen and lots of other busts

 

he has bad mechanics and came from the most gimmicky college offense of all time

 

he can bust. He would've went 1st overall if he is as good as you proclaim 

Edited December 31, 2017 by Buffalo716

[The_Dude]

33 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said:

 

Well you aren't right because he isn't an established vet yet.

 

and sure he has immense physical talent but so did Ryan leaf and Jamarcus Russell and Brady Quinn and Jimmy Clausen and lots of other busts

 

he has bad mechanics and came from the most gimmicky college offense of all time

 

he can bust. He would've went 1st overall if he is as good as you proclaim 

 

Im right. 

 

Do so I realize I could be wrong? Yes. But, I believe in being bold. And I’m positive on Mahomes. Tre White and a 1st won’t makeup for passing on Mahomes. A zone corner and a late first for a franchise QB....I believe that will lead to McDermotts fall if the Bills don’t get a QB this year. 

[Buffalo716]

1 minute ago, The_Dude said:

 

Im right. 

 

Do so I realize I could be wrong? Yes. But, I believe in being bold. And I’m positive on Mahomes. Tre White and a 1st won’t makeup for passing on Mahomes. A zone corner and a late first for a franchise QB....I believe that will lead to McDermotts fall if the Bills don’t get a QB this year. 

 

Fair enough 

[Zerovoltz]

....anyone see Mahomes play today....?  if you can, take a look.  Be glad you finally made the post season.....enjoy that moment, but when you get a chance to watch Mahomes and see what you passed over......knashing of teeth and weeping is in your future Bills fans.  Thanks for that trade, and congrats on your season from KC.

[26CornerBlitz]

Warning. Beth Mowins on the call.

 

[Doc]

1 hour ago, Zerovotlz said:

....anyone see Mahomes play today....?  if you can, take a look.  Be glad you finally made the post season.....enjoy that moment, but when you get a chance to watch Mahomes and see what you passed over......knashing of teeth and weeping is in your future Bills fans.  Thanks for that trade, and congrats on your season from KC.

 

One game against a horrible Broncos team in a run-for-the-buses season-ender means nothing. 

[Zerovoltz]

4 minutes ago, Doc said:

 

One game against a horrible Broncos team in a run-for-the-buses season-ender means nothing. 

You are right about that...but it doesn't change that even a blind man can see the incredible talent, special arm, and abiltiy to make plays only a rare few can.  You won't read an account of the performance anywhere that is less than sparkling.  Or, don't take mine or anyone elses word for it...go watch it.  See for yourself.

Edited January 1, 2018 by Zerovotlz

[Doc]

4 minutes ago, Zerovotlz said:

You are right about that...but it doesn't change that even a blind man can see the incredible talent, special arm, and abiltiy to make plays only a rare few can.  You won't read an account of the performance anywhere that is less than sparkling.  Or, don't take mine or anyone elses word for it...go watch it.  See for yourself.

 

I've seen too many one-game, even one-season wonder performances in my time.  Whether I'm lamenting the Bills passin on him or not will take several years to determine.

[Zerovoltz]

6 minutes ago, Doc said:

 

I've seen too many one-game, even one-season wonder performances in my time.  Whether I'm lamenting the Bills passin on him or not will take several years to determine.

Fair enough. 

[PIZ]

Kid looks like a punk.  Glad I don't have to root for him.

[KDIGGZ]

Mahomes looked shaky.  very much like what we have seen from him in college.  he is a loose cannon that do something dumb at any second.  he thrives when there is a breakdown and he's scrambling around like it's backyard football.  he doesn't look confident in the pocket.  i think the Chiefs will have a down year next year as a result