Buffalo03 Posted November 29, 2017 Share Posted November 29, 2017 How does that draft chart work if we were to throw in a 2019 first rounder? Just curious Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloHokie13 Posted November 29, 2017 Share Posted November 29, 2017 Just now, Buffalo03 said: How does that draft chart work if you were to throw in a 2019 first rounder as well? I can definitely see us trading up with San Francisco if we give them both firsts and throw in our first in 2019 Generally speaking a pick next year is worth 1 less round than this year, and the middle of the round. So a 2019 1st would be valued around pick 48 in the 2018 draft. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CommonCents Posted November 29, 2017 Share Posted November 29, 2017 I'm not a Mayfield guy but if he is there at either first round pick they need to run up to the podium. I think the Giants/Browns will take the top two QBs, doubt Mayfield makes it down into the middle of the first round. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted November 29, 2017 Share Posted November 29, 2017 Rudolph. Size, strength, accuracy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coach Tuesday Posted November 29, 2017 Share Posted November 29, 2017 (edited) Rudolph is a JAG. Colt Brennan mixed with Colt McCoy mixed with Sean Mannion. Edited November 29, 2017 by Coach Tuesday 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canadian Bills Fan Posted November 29, 2017 Share Posted November 29, 2017 Josh Rosen please CBF 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigBuff423 Posted November 29, 2017 Share Posted November 29, 2017 I certainly hope the Bills Draft a QB, but before we can adequately discuss trading up, the season really does need to end to determine Draft position AND FA period needs to have had at least a couple weeks to filter through what the Bills have addressed without giving up Draft capital. Also, I'm hoping if they were to go "all in" on a QB and trade up, might as well go the full distance to get a guy that is better than Rudolph, otherwise wait for a guy like Josh Allen or Ryan Finley. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dkollidas Posted November 30, 2017 Share Posted November 30, 2017 I think the guy they want in a perfect scenario is Darnold. Can they move up to get him? I’m not sure, but if they do, a lot of the issues we talk about won’t be as big of issues within a year or so. Also, possibly dealing Tyrod and Glenn could help recoup some of the picks they lose in a potential trade up? (Not picks of the same quality, but at least to bring in quantity). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
papazoid Posted November 30, 2017 Share Posted November 30, 2017 On 11/28/2017 at 2:37 PM, Tatonka68 said: The Bills 1ST round picks should be around 20th (850 pts) & 22nd (780 pts) for a total of 1630 pts on the draft value chart. 1630 points is equal to the 6th pick in the draft. So could the draft end up like this? 1. Cleveland picks Josh Rosen QB, 2. NY Giants Sam Darnold QB, 3. San Francisco picks Saquon Barkley RB, 4. Indianapolis Mike McGlinchey OT, 5. Chicago Derwin James S. then the Bills trade with Tampa for sixth pick and select Mason Rudolph QB Oklahoma ST. most of the time I don't like trading up, let the draft come to you or trade down....spread the risk of injury and salary cap over more players i'd pick Baker Mayfield with one of our late 1st....he's the next drew brees. Rudolph will be a 2nd round pick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted November 30, 2017 Share Posted November 30, 2017 (edited) On 11/28/2017 at 8:11 PM, Kirby Jackson said: I’ve seen him about 4 or 5 times this year and he does nothing for me. QBs are all over he place though in terms of opinions. I’ve seen Lamar Jackson as high as 1 and others that hate him. I like him quite a bit as a prospect. I want one of the 2 California kids, Mayfield or Jackson. I had Rudolph as high as my QB2 at one point. I think as the season has gone one his issues have risen to the surface a little bit. I think he struggles with pressure.... and I mean of both kinds. Doesn't like rushers in his face tends to sail balls high in that scenario that will be picked off by ball hawking NFL safeties. But he also doesn't like mental pressure. I thought for much of Beldam he outplayed Baker Mayfield.... but when the game was on the line in the 4th Quarter one guy raised his level and the other dropped his. One of the things that won me round to Dak Prescott and one of the reasons I was so high on Deshaun Watson was they played their best in the biggest moments That said I am still higher than plenty of people in this thread on Rudolph. He is my QB4 and has an end of the 1st / top of the 2nd grade on my board. Think he would benefit not being rushed to start and also think he is a realistic target for Buffalo. I would not be on board with Jackson in the 1st. Still too much projection and guess work there and if we draft Josh Allen in the first I will find the nearest wall and bang my head against it repeatedly for the rest of Draft weekend. The people seeing Carson Wentz there should be seeing JP Losman. Edited November 30, 2017 by GunnerBill 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Barbarian Posted November 30, 2017 Share Posted November 30, 2017 On 11/28/2017 at 2:37 PM, Tatonka68 said: The Bills 1ST round picks should be around 20th (850 pts) & 22nd (780 pts) for a total of 1630 pts on the draft value chart. 1630 points is equal to the 6th pick in the draft. So could the draft end up like this? 1. Cleveland picks Josh Rosen QB, 2. NY Giants Sam Darnold QB, 3. San Francisco picks Saquon Barkley RB, 4. Indianapolis Mike McGlinchey OT, 5. Chicago Derwin James S. then the Bills trade with Tampa for sixth pick and select Mason Rudolph QB Oklahoma ST. Almost. Baker Mayfield Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dkollidas Posted December 1, 2017 Share Posted December 1, 2017 2018 1st 18th 900 2018 1st 21st 800 2018 2nd 28th 300 2019 3rd 18th 180 2019 4th 18th 66pts OT Cordy Glenn 200pts (End of 3rd Round Pick) 2446pts. according to Draft chart. Glenn is a guess in his value, I figure he’s younger and has missed as many games as Duane Brown, so should have similar value, and this is low-balling that. could this get us close to #2? Jump the Giants and take whomever of Darnold/Rosen is left? In this case we could also trade Tyrod for whatever pick(s) we could get. Maybe a 3rd??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CuddyDark Posted December 2, 2017 Share Posted December 2, 2017 On 11/29/2017 at 4:08 PM, joesixpack said: Rudolph. Size, strength, accuracy. Never plays under center. Has slow eyes like EJ. Is not the kind of QB they want for this offense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kmart128 Posted December 2, 2017 Share Posted December 2, 2017 Taking a 2nd to 3rd round QB 6th overall is dumb. And Darnold should stay another year Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benderbender Posted December 2, 2017 Share Posted December 2, 2017 (edited) Darnold is in a hell of a situation. If he comes out, he risks being taken by Cleveland or the Giants. A huge gamble Edited December 2, 2017 by benderbender Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Logic Posted December 2, 2017 Share Posted December 2, 2017 I am all for drafting a QB at all costs (including an epic trade-up) IF the Bills believe there's a franchise guy sitting there. Why? Well, I don't disagree for a moment that the Bills have many needs, but it's really simple in the end: The NFL is a quarterback's league. You either have one -- and your team is a perennial contender for 10+ years -- or you don't, and you hope to get in on a Wild Card every couple of years. During the drought, the Bills have -- at time -- had good defenses, good running games, good skill players, good linemen....the one constant is no franchise QB. This has to end at all costs. If the team AROUND said QB isn't ideal in year 1, it's okay. We've got to get the guy in the building, and we aren't likely to have a better opportunity to do so than next year, given all of our draft capital. QB or bust 2018! 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CuddyDark Posted December 2, 2017 Share Posted December 2, 2017 3 minutes ago, Logic said: I am all for drafting a QB at all costs (including an epic trade-up) IF the Bills believe there's a franchise guy sitting there. Why? Well, I don't disagree for a moment that the Bills have many needs, but it's really simple in the end: The NFL is a quarterback's league. You either have one -- and your team is a perennial contender for 10+ years -- or you don't, and you hope to get in on a Wild Card every couple of years. During the drought, the Bills have -- at time -- had good defenses, good running games, good skill players, good linemen....the one constant is no franchise QB. This has to end at all costs. If the team AROUND said QB isn't ideal in year 1, it's okay. We've got to get the guy in the building, and we aren't likely to have a better opportunity to do so than next year, given all of our draft capital. QB or bust 2018! If he's there, you are correct and I agree. If we take a QB because he's a QB I disagree. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dkollidas Posted December 2, 2017 Share Posted December 2, 2017 14 minutes ago, Logic said: I am all for drafting a QB at all costs (including an epic trade-up) IF the Bills believe there's a franchise guy sitting there. Why? Well, I don't disagree for a moment that the Bills have many needs, but it's really simple in the end: The NFL is a quarterback's league. You either have one -- and your team is a perennial contender for 10+ years -- or you don't, and you hope to get in on a Wild Card every couple of years. During the drought, the Bills have -- at time -- had good defenses, good running games, good skill players, good linemen....the one constant is no franchise QB. This has to end at all costs. If the team AROUND said QB isn't ideal in year 1, it's okay. We've got to get the guy in the building, and we aren't likely to have a better opportunity to do so than next year, given all of our draft capital. QB or bust 2018! I agree. And I think Beane and McDermott agree. It’s why they accumulated so much Draft capital. They know it’s a quarterback league. They had Cam Newton in a division with guys like Matt Ryan, Drew Brees and Jameis Winston. San Francisco is in prime position to move down as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KD in CA Posted December 2, 2017 Share Posted December 2, 2017 Problem will be finding a trade partner. Giants will not trade down no matter what the offer. And I’d be surprised if Cleveland made the same mistake yet again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Logic Posted December 2, 2017 Share Posted December 2, 2017 3 minutes ago, KD in CA said: Problem will be finding a trade partner. Giants will not trade down no matter what the offer. And I’d be surprised if Cleveland made the same mistake yet again. The wild card with the Giants is that we don't know what the coaching situation will be there next year and whether or not said coach (I'm guessing it won't be McAdoo) will want to do with Eli Manning. That said, it's probably safe to assume the Giants and Browns both draft QBs. It's in the best interests of Bills fans to hope the 49ers get a top 3 pick, because they seem like prime partners to trade down, given their acquisition of Jimmy G. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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