Lets just go for Kirk Cousins in the offseason

[BuffaloHokie13]

3 minutes ago, Sweats said:

Cousins is going to be a hot commodity in the off season. A lot of teams are going to go after him............i'm pretty sure we're going to overpay and give up too many draft picks to acquire him.

0 draft picks will be used to acquire Cousins, unless they promise him they'll use them on OL/WR, which we need anyway.

[Sweats]

Just now, HappyDays said:

 

Draft picks?

 

 

Are we not going to throw in a couple of picks to sweeten the deal?............i dont know, man.

 

I'm shooting from the hip here.

[reddogblitz]

3 minutes ago, Sweats said:

Cousins is going to be a hot commodity in the off season. A lot of teams are going to go after him............i'm pretty sure we're going to overpay and give up too many draft picks to acquire him.

 

I'm thinkin' if he hits the straight up FA market which he has been wanting to do, he'll pull in 30+ mil per year.  It's gonna be a feeding frenzy.

Edited December 14, 2017 by reddogblitz

[BuffaloHokie13]

5 minutes ago, Sweats said:

Are we not going to throw in a couple of picks to sweeten the deal?............i dont know, man.

 

I'm shooting from the hip here.

Throw in draft picks to who? He's a FA

[reddogblitz]

Just now, BuffaloHokie13 said:

Throw in draft picks to who? He's a FA

 

Couldn't Washington franchise him and trade him?

[BuffaloHokie13]

Just now, reddogblitz said:

 

Couldn't Washington franchise him and trade him?

If Washington Franchises him we aren't taking him. Plus, even if they want to tag him he still has to sign it, which he may not.

[Sweats]

1 minute ago, BuffaloHokie13 said:

If Washington Franchises him we aren't taking him. Plus, even if they want to tag him he still has to sign it, which he may not.

 

 

 

Maybe picks could be in play?...................

[P51]

2 hours ago, Buffalo03 said:

You're putting way too much emphasis on this stuff. You act like he is the whole team. You have to have more than just a QB to be successful. A better QB than Tyrod which he is will make your team better. How many playoff games has Drew Brees won in the last 3 years? How many Super Bowls did Dan Marino win? Those are Hall of Fame QBs that didn't have the extra pieces they needed to make a run but you better believe the Dolphins wouldn't have even had a chance without Marino. He made that team better than it was. 

 

What other assets does Kirk have around him in washington? The defense isn't that great. He lost his two main receivers and his tight end is always hurt and he is still much better than anything we have had the last 15 years. The first step toward a successful franchise is a 4000 yard passer. Once you do that and put the necessary pieces around him then you have a contender

 

Just to add to the Washington situation, the front office has been a hot mess for years now, the only guy with a clue was canned for "being a alcoholic", and they have been and were a dysfunctional mess. Snyder is clueless and has a habit of putting "yes men" in power, should sound familiar. 

[njbuff]

The Bills can win, and win a lot with Cousins, but he needs everything around him to be close to perfect. Solid NFL QB, not like Rodgers or Brady.

 

Do you wanna spend half your salary cap space on just a SOLID QB?

 

If I am McBeane I am keeping a close on Luck. If he is healthy, I'd be interested in giving the Colts something in the 2019 draft. I'm not giving away picks in this draft for a QB coming off an injury and could be a question mark.

 

Luck is on the Rodgers level, Cousins is not. And if nothing can't be worked out, just draft the QB and develop him, for once. There are enough very good QB prospects in this draft and the Bills should get their hands on one.

 

I'm sure though that they'll explore Cousins, and, maybe, Luck though.

[26CornerBlitz]

4 minutes ago, njbuff said:

The Bills can win, and win a lot with Cousins, but he needs everything around him to be close to perfect. Solid NFL QB, not like Rodgers or Brady.

 

Do you wanna spend half your salary cap space on just a SOLID QB?

 

If I am McBeane I am keeping a close on Luck. If he is healthy, I'd be interested in giving the Colts something in the 2019 draft. I'm not giving away picks in this draft for a QB coming off an injury and could be a question mark.

 

Luck is on the Rodgers level, Cousins is not. And if nothing can't be worked out, just draft the QB and develop him, for once. There are enough very good QB prospects in this draft and the Bills should get their hands on one.

 

I'm sure though that they'll explore Cousins, and, maybe, Luck though.

 

Please. The Colts GM would laugh at OBD if they called with something like that offered with Luck healthy and ready to roll. 

[JohnC]

The Jets and Broncos would be good locations for him. If he leaves Washington I see the Broncos as a good landing spot for him. I just don't see Buffalo as a likely destination. The talk in Washington is if he doesn't sign the team would franchise him and then try to work out a deal for him.  

[Happy]

6 minutes ago, JohnC said:

The Jets and Broncos would be good locations for him. If he leaves Washington I see the Broncos as a good landing spot for him. I just don't see Buffalo as a likely destination. The talk in Washington is if he doesn't sign the team would franchise him and then try to work out a deal for him.  

 

Can the Redskins afford to keep Cousins if a deal cannot be worked out with another team?  I thought I saw somewhere this would be cap prohibitive, but this could be off.

 

Funny thing is Cousins was Mike Shanahan's pick, RGIII was Danny Snyder's pick, both drafted the same year.  Their exGM, Scott McGloughan (sp?), who they fired last spring wanted to get a deal done for Cousins two years ago to avoid just this very situation, from what I understand.  Dan Snyder and Bruce Allen couldn't make up their minds so the deal never got done.  The Redskins FO is a dysfunctional mess, which may not get better anytime soon.

[ColoradoBills]

2 hours ago, Sweats said:

Cousins is going to be a hot commodity in the off season. A lot of teams are going to go after him............i'm pretty sure we're going to overpay and give up too many draft picks to acquire him.

 

Heck yeah.  It's going to be the biggest FA story and no one knows what other waves it will cause.

I can count 8 teams (including us) that could be in play for him.

[Charlottebillsfan2]

Get it done,

Sign Cousins, trade TT for a 4th or 5th, use the draft picks to load the oline and dline, and go get a Burner of a WR in FA.

 

AFC is ours!

[26CornerBlitz]

Just now, Charlottebillsfan2 said:

Get it done,

Sign Cousins, trade TT for a 4th or 5th, use the draft picks to load the oline and dline, and go get a Burner of a WR in FA.

 

AFC is ours!

 

Cousins cannot just be signed. Washington has to make him available via either non-exclusive Franchise Tag or Transition Tag.  It's totally in their control.

[ColoradoBills]

4 minutes ago, Happy Gilmore said:

 

Can the Redskins afford to keep Cousins if a deal cannot be worked out with another team?  I thought I saw somewhere this would be cap prohibitive, but this could be off.

 

Funny thing is Cousins was Mike Shanahan's pick, RGIII was Danny Snyder's pick, both drafted the same year.  Their exGM, Scott McGloughan (sp?), who they fired last spring wanted to get a deal done for Cousins two years ago to avoid just this very situation, from what I understand.  Dan Snyder and Bruce Allen couldn't make up their minds so the deal never got done.  The Redskins FO is a dysfunctional mess, which may not get better anytime soon.

 

44% raise for the next franchise tag.

$34.5 Million

[Happy]

1 minute ago, ColoradoBills said:

 

44% raise for the next franchise tag.

$34.5 Million

 

Thanks.  So it sounds like the Redskins can keep Cousins.  They'll want way more than Cousins is worth.

[Sweats]

24 minutes ago, JohnC said:

The Jets and Broncos would be good locations for him. If he leaves Washington I see the Broncos as a good landing spot for him. I just don't see Buffalo as a likely destination. The talk in Washington is if he doesn't sign the team would franchise him and then try to work out a deal for him.  

 

 

 

I can fully see the Broncos making a major play for Cousins.

[ChasBB]

If Cousins willing to backup Peterman, then fine - otherwise no thank you - I'll take our guy Peterman - he is the future.

[TheFunPolice]

Some compared Peterman with Cousins before the draft...

 

Why not have the "poor man's Kirk Cousins" back up the actual Kirk Cousins?

[thenorthremembers]

Even if the Bills cut Tyrod, Glenn, Hughes, and Alexander, signing Cousins to $25 Million plus would virtually ensure they would handcuff themselves free agent wise.   The cap is high next year and contracts will be inflated.  If you want E.J. Gaines back you better have 9-10 Million. 

 

They need to draft a quarterback. 

[TheFunPolice]

I love the PFT article about the NFLPA fighting a 4th franchise tag....

 

WHY? a QB would make $50+ for ONE season if tagged a 4th time. I would think a player would see that as the ultimate power play. In 3 years he would make $150 million

[OldTimeAFLGuy]

3 hours ago, reddogblitz said:

 

Couldn't Washington franchise him and trade him?

 

...tag would be 34 mil........may cause some choking...

[reddogblitz]

5 minutes ago, OldTimeAFLGuy said:

 

...tag would be 34 mil........may cause some choking...

 

FA price could be very close to that I would think. 

[OldTimeAFLGuy]

Just now, reddogblitz said:

 

FA price could be very close to that I would think. 

 

....3rd tag gets you a 40% increase so it is close.....ABSURD money for mediocrity, but it is out there......with NO warranty expressed or implied...Glennon getting 15 mil for riding the pine.....ouch........

[Starr Almighty]

CAN PLAYERS BE TAGGED MULTIPLE TIMES?

Players can be tagged in consecutive years, but it's costly. For a player to be tagged two-straight years, the team must pay 120 percent of the player's previous salary. If it's three-straight years, the team must pay the player 144 percent of his previous salary.

[JohnC]

2 hours ago, Happy Gilmore said:

 

Can the Redskins afford to keep Cousins if a deal cannot be worked out with another team?  I thought I saw somewhere this would be cap prohibitive, but this could be off.

 

Funny thing is Cousins was Mike Shanahan's pick, RGIII was Danny Snyder's pick, both drafted the same year.  Their exGM, Scott McGloughan (sp?), who they fired last spring wanted to get a deal done for Cousins two years ago to avoid just this very situation, from what I understand.  Dan Snyder and Bruce Allen couldn't make up their minds so the deal never got done.  The Redskins FO is a dysfunctional mess, which may not get better anytime soon.

I may be getting my terms mixed up but if they franchised him it would be at a high cap squeezing figure. The talk is that if he isn't willing to sign they would transition him and tell him and his agent to go make a deal with another team so they can work out a deal. 

 

The organization is not going to have a one year expensive deal with him again where next year they are in the same bind. The talk is that if he doesn't want to sign they will transition him and then work out the best deal they can. Not signing an extended contract brutally tells the organization that he doesn't want to play for them. 

[unclepete]

Cousins is a slight upgrade from what we have but we need to draft a QB no matter what. 

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

9 hours ago, ScottLaw said:

Don't expect NYG to go after him. Cleveland no. Indy? Why? Cincy no. Baltimore no. 

 

I agree it was. I'm not sure about Cousins. Some games he looks great others he looks awful(see Thanksgiving night against the Giants).

Most were speculated by the media 

 

Indy - some say Luck may be done. 

 

The others are just teams ready for a change.  

Balt - Flacco has been disappointing this season. 

 

Cleveland - maybe they would like to wo. A game sometime soon?

 

[Max Fischer]

9 hours ago, ScottLaw said:

If Lucks done in Indy Bills should make a move for him.

 

I’d take Luck for 1st rounder in a heartbeat.  

[BuffaloDave55]

If Washington doesn't sign him, Cousins will decide where he goes.  No matter where he goes he will get the "money".  He will select a Team that he feels has the best chance at making the Super Bowl.  A team like the Jags.  I was in Denver and the same conversation is going on there about bringing Cousins in.  There are a lot of Teams thinking they just have to be the top bidder and he'll come running.  Not the case.... The difference between Team "A" through Team "C", money wise will be minimal.    Time to consider, team around him, playoffs, weather.  What would you do?

[26CornerBlitz]

The Cousins conundrum: Who will make Kirk the highest-paid player ever?

Having excelled under the franchise tag -- twice! -- Kirk Cousins is now in the catbird seat. Will the QB play for the Redskins or someone else in 2018? Chris Wesseling explores a fascinating financial conundrum.

[Ol Dirty B]

Can anyone explain to me how this guy is proven?

 

He's been surrounded by better skill position guys, and the defense looked good this year before injuries and went 7-9 in an average division, much like ours.

 

I'm fine from moving on from Tyrod, but for a cap hit of Cousins with his performance. No thanks. Especially all you people who were happy with shedding money to spend it on this.

 

I want no part of Cousins. I'd rather take a chance on a QB in the draft. Anyone can go 7-9. we watched that for like 8 out of 17 years. 

On 12/15/2017 at 7:38 AM, BuffaloDave55 said:

If Washington doesn't sign him, Cousins will decide where he goes.  No matter where he goes he will get the "money".  He will select a Team that he feels has the best chance at making the Super Bowl.  A team like the Jags.  I was in Denver and the same conversation is going on there about bringing Cousins in.  There are a lot of Teams thinking they just have to be the top bidder and he'll come running.  Not the case.... The difference between Team "A" through Team "C", money wise will be minimal.    Time to consider, team around him, playoffs, weather.  What would you do?

 

Umm... I take the money.

 

You speak like you know more than anyone else, when you don't. 

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

No link but radio and tv are all over Grudens comments on Kirk Cousins 

 

he practically threw him under the bus with his presser comments.  

 

We need someone to get us over the hump.  

 

He was answering a question about Colt and referred to Kirk as the other QB.  

 

[26CornerBlitz]

SCOUT'S NOTEBOOK

Time to Let Cousins Walk

The Redskins would be better off letting Kirk Cousins leave and instead focus on other pieces of their roster puzzle, writes Bucky Brooks. Plus: Why Aaron Donald should get paid, the smarts of Marvin Lewis and more.

 

I know Kirk Cousins is poised to potentially become the league's first $30 million man, but I wouldn't blame the Washington Redskins for letting the coveted QB1 walk out the door. In a league where franchise quarterbacks, particularly those making $20 million-plus per year, are expected to carry their teams to the winner's circle, I can understand why Jay Gruden and Co. are hitting Cousins with the old "HOP" (Hold on, playa!) label before cutting a check.

 

Despite posting three straight 4,000-yard seasons, with a 67 percent completion rate and an 81:36 touchdown-to-interception ratio over that span, Cousins has compiled a 24-23-1 record, with one division title and zero playoff wins. While his individual numbers would please every fantasy football player across the country, they haven't helped the Redskins win at a high level.

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

DC Radio was speculating Denver since Kirk tore their defense apart a few weeks ago.  

[Buffalo03]

On 1/2/2018 at 11:12 PM, Ol Dirty B said:

Can anyone explain to me how this guy is proven?

 

He's been surrounded by better skill position guys, and the defense looked good this year before injuries and went 7-9 in an average division, much like ours.

 

I'm fine from moving on from Tyrod, but for a cap hit of Cousins with his performance. No thanks. Especially all you people who were happy with shedding money to spend it on this.

 

I want no part of Cousins. I'd rather take a chance on a QB in the draft. Anyone can go 7-9. we watched that for like 8 out of 17 years. 

 

Umm... I take the money.

 

You speak like you know more than anyone else, when you don't. 

I'm so tired of people bringing this point up. They act like the QB is the whole team. The Redskins don't have the best defense in the world and don't really have the best coaching staff. I mean how good is Jay Gruden really? Cousins has actually lost some talent this past season. Pierre Garcon left, DeSean Jackson left, Jordan Reed missed majority of the season and he hasn't really had a running game to take take the pressure off.

 

Drew Brees and the Saints have been mediocre the past few seasons until this season going 7-9 and 8-8 a few times but Brees has always put up pro bowl numbers. The Saints have finally fixed their D which is why they have been more successful this season not to mention their running game has been better than in years past as well.

 

When was the last time the Chargers made the playoffs? Yet they have a borderline HOF QB in Philip Rivers. 

 

It's not Cousins why the Redskins are a mediocre team. Cousins is worlds better than Tyrod

[CDogg20]

1 hour ago, Buffalo03 said:

I'm so tired of people bringing this point up. They act like the QB is the whole team. The Redskins don't have the best defense in the world and don't really have the best coaching staff. I mean how good is Jay Gruden really? Cousins has actually lost some talent this past season. Pierre Garcon left, DeSean Jackson left, Jordan Reed missed majority of the season and he hasn't really had a running game to take take the pressure off.

 

Drew Brees and the Saints have been mediocre the past few seasons until this season going 7-9 and 8-8 a few times but Brees has always put up pro bowl numbers. The Saints have finally fixed their D which is why they have been more successful this season not to mention their running game has been better than in years past as well.

 

When was the last time the Chargers made the playoffs? Yet they have a borderline HOF QB in Philip Rivers. 

 

It's not Cousins why the Redskins are a mediocre team. Cousins is worlds better than Tyrod

Well said, I agree 100%

[Ol Dirty B]

1 hour ago, Buffalo03 said:

I'm so tired of people bringing this point up. They act like the QB is the whole team. The Redskins don't have the best defense in the world and don't really have the best coaching staff. I mean how good is Jay Gruden really? Cousins has actually lost some talent this past season. Pierre Garcon left, DeSean Jackson left, Jordan Reed missed majority of the season and he hasn't really had a running game to take take the pressure off.

 

Drew Brees and the Saints have been mediocre the past few seasons until this season going 7-9 and 8-8 a few times but Brees has always put up pro bowl numbers. The Saints have finally fixed their D which is why they have been more successful this season not to mention their running game has been better than in years past as well.

 

When was the last time the Chargers made the playoffs? Yet they have a borderline HOF QB in Philip Rivers. 

 

It's not Cousins why the Redskins are a mediocre team. Cousins is worlds better than Tyrod

 

I never said anything about Drew Brees or Philip Rivers. To put Kirk Cousins in their class is laughable, it's also completely irrelevant. Im not sure whay point you are tired of making and i dont care to hear it, so spare us all the time, because it wasnt the point i made at all.

 

Look at QBR this year and see who's is better?

 

I'm not opposed to upgrading from Taylor but cousins isn't an upgrade at all and has not done more with less. For every weapon you say Kirk has lost I can match with one this team has lost. You say Jay Gruden isn't a great coach and I don't disagree, Dennison and McDermott aren't offensive geniuses either.

 

 Yet Tyrods got a 53 QBR in a scheme that doesn't suit him and Kirk has a 52 QBR. But I'll assume you don't like that point either because it doesn't fit in with paying a mediocre QB 30 mil a year.

 

Cousins is not good.

[bobobonators]

2 minutes ago, Ol Dirty B said:

 

I never said anything about Drew Brees or Philip Rivers. To put Kirk Cousins in their class is laughable, it's also completely irrelevant. Im not sure whay point you are tired of making and i dont care to hear it, so spare us all the time, because it wasnt the point i made at all.

 

Look at QBR this year and see who's is better?

 

I'm not opposed to upgrading from Taylor but cousins isn't an upgrade at all and has not done more with less. For every weapon you say Kirk has lost I can match with one this team has lost. You say Jay Gruden isn't a great coach and I don't disagree, Dennison and McDermott aren't offensive geniuses either.

 

 Yet Tyrods got a 53 QBR in a scheme that doesn't suit him and Kirk has a 52 QBR. But I'll assume you don't like that point either because it doesn't fit in with paying a mediocre QB 30 mil a year.

 

Cousins is not good.

Define good.