Livinginthepast Posted November 20, 2017 Share Posted November 20, 2017 Its pretty scary how things turned out for Nathan Peterman in his first start but I am really concerned about what this debacle of a game exposes about McD and Beane. A few observations/questions trying to understand today's disaster. 1.If you benched TT in reaction to a pathetic offensive performance vs The Jets and Saints then I can kind of understand the rationale to a point but TT has had some good games this season why give up on him when you are still in a playoff position? That shows a scary lack of poise and patience in a HC. 2. What scares me much more is that either McD or Beane thought Peterman was ready to start. He looked absolutely in over his head. The fact that they believed he could succeed when he was that inept is stunning. If you watch Peterman’s mechanics in that game he is basically telegraphing where he is throwing the ball to allowing the dbs time to get there. He is not sensing the blitz and overthrowing his receivers. Totally nervous and not ready. If they actually believed he was ready they must be delusional or intensely bad judges of talent. 3. If you benched TT to light a fire under him to perform down the stretch well I guess you got his attention, but to do it when the playoffs are in sight? Really bad idea. 4. Did they bench TT because they were afraid as Vic Carucci said that he would lead them into the playoffs and they don’t see him as part of the future? So they would actually deny us the chance at the playoffs to further their "process" . Then McD and Beane are truly evil and against anything this fan base holds dear. 5. If they benched TT because they wanted to distract from a horrendous defense effort then they are simply morons. 6. Why in the hell if you are putting a rookie in to start do you not work with Dennison to call the simplest game plan ever. McCoy should have been used non stop, simple passes to keep the defense honest. It seemed to me that Dennison’s game plan was a little too much for Peterman to accomplish and once they were down it put Peterman into an impossible position. 7. If you knew how bad our O line has been in the last 2 weeks with an elusive mobile QB then why the hell would you put a less mobile pocket passer in?? That was suicidal. Beyond stupid. Peterman tooks some incredible hits that led to at least 2 of his INTS. Once again this seriously questions McD’s intelligence. The bottom line is that this game has exposed McD and Beane in multiple ways and they have egg all over their faces. Although I was skeptical, I thought McD was an upgrade on Rex’s gong show. Now I am not so sure. It seems like he could be just as much as a fraud. 5 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick the Greek Posted November 20, 2017 Share Posted November 20, 2017 Peterman set a record for first half interceptions. Not good, and this was facilitated by McDs decision. He looks like a total idiot. Not good. I don't recall things being this messed up in awhile. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Boy Posted November 20, 2017 Share Posted November 20, 2017 There is a growth process for coaches too. I was concerned about McD’s learning curve this preseason. Sometimes the hardest lessons are the lessons that really sting. All coaches have some sort of bravado about them. All leaders do. The question is, does he get rattled or does he keep on keepin on and build for next year. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BADOLBILZ Posted November 20, 2017 Share Posted November 20, 2017 (edited) 7 minutes ago, Livinginthepast said: Its pretty scary how things turned out for Nathan Peterman in his first start but I am really concerned about what this debacle of a game exposes about McD and Beane. A few observations/questions trying to understand today's disaster. Chargers "made Peterman be a QB". Edited November 20, 2017 by BADOLBILZ 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lfod Posted November 20, 2017 Share Posted November 20, 2017 (edited) He definitely has egg on his face today. Oh please don't count out the Carolina Panthers game in bad offensive games. It kinda bugs me that people mention NO like it was the only bad offensive game. We scored 3 points in that game. Yes the move to Peterman was a bad move and looks awful but I can understand why he tried it. Tyrod is the better Quarterback no doubt but he still got smacked and coughed the ball up himself today. Edited November 20, 2017 by Lfod Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sweats Posted November 20, 2017 Share Posted November 20, 2017 Here's where my thinking is at these days.......... I'm not pissed that Peterman looked bad out there today. He's a rookie playing his first NFL career start, so he is raw. I can live with that. What i have a problem with is that this team is steadily getting worse in the past 3 weeks........just when you think they cant possibly play any worse, they totally play even worse than the week before. That is on the coaching. I know we are limited on talent, but its the HC who is responsible to put their players in the best possible position to succeed. They aren't doing that. In fact, it looks like McD is flying by the seat of his pants and making it all up as he goes along. There is an obvious problem and this coaching staff either doesnt know how to fix it or refuses to...........either way, we are doomed yet again for a lacklustre season. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billsfan1972 Posted November 20, 2017 Share Posted November 20, 2017 (edited) 12 minutes ago, Buffalo Boy said: There is a growth process for coaches too. I was concerned about McD’s learning curve this preseason. Sometimes the hardest lessons are the lessons that really sting. All coaches have some sort of bravado about them. All leaders do. The question is, does he get rattled or does he keep on keepin on and build for next year. And McDermott has been an ass with every comments coming out of the game. His statements have been embarrassing to this point. Take responsibility. Edited November 20, 2017 by Billsfan1972 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Posted November 20, 2017 Share Posted November 20, 2017 I have to believe that McD listened to his OC, and it is coming back to bite him. I don't envy McD this week with the amount of heat he is going to take by the local and national media. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobbyC81 Posted November 20, 2017 Share Posted November 20, 2017 Dilly dilly!! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted November 20, 2017 Share Posted November 20, 2017 20 minutes ago, Livinginthepast said: Its pretty scary how things turned out for Nathan Peterman in his first start but I am really concerned about what this debacle of a game exposes about McD and Beane. A few observations/questions trying to understand today's disaster. (........) 6. Why in the hell if you are putting a rookie in to start do you not work with Dennison to call the simplest game plan ever. McCoy should have been used non stop, simple passes to keep the defense honest. It seemed to me that Dennison’s game plan was a little too much for Peterman to accomplish and once they were down it put Peterman into an impossible position. (....) The bottom line is that this game has exposed McD and Beane in multiple ways and they have egg all over their faces. Although I was skeptical, I thought McD was an upgrade on Rex’s gong show. Now I am not so sure. It seems like he could be just as much as a fraud. Your point #6 is, IMO, one of the most salient and under-discussed of this whole debacle. Jacoby Brissett, in his three starts for NE, was deliberately given a simple game plan to execute. He's not looking all-world for the Colts, but he's looking capable and showing flashes. He's not stinking up the joint from what I've seen. But he's still being more or less set up to succeed. What bothers me isn't so much that Peterman sucked, it's that he wasn't set up for success in his first start against a ferocious pass rush. The game plan wasn't tailored for him. This bothers me just as it bothers me that IMO we haven't had play calling that focused on Taylors strength We traded Dareus off to Jax because ?we didn't need him ?he was an attitude problem? The performance of the D in the last 3 games has been atrocious. Do our coaches have good personnel judgement, or do they suffer from the delusion that they can plug anyone in and win? Because if that's what they think, they would appear to be mistaken. One might even say delusional. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
klos63 Posted November 20, 2017 Share Posted November 20, 2017 35 minutes ago, Livinginthepast said: Its pretty scary how things turned out for Nathan Peterman in his first start but I am really concerned about what this debacle of a game exposes about McD and Beane. A few observations/questions trying to understand today's disaster. 1.If you benched TT in reaction to a pathetic offensive performance vs The Jets and Saints then I can kind of understand the rationale to a point but TT has had some good games this season why give up on him when you are still in a playoff position? That shows a scary lack of poise and patience in a HC. 2. What scares me much more is that either McD or Beane thought Peterman was ready to start. He looked absolutely in over his head. The fact that they believed he could succeed when he was that inept is stunning. If you watch Peterman’s mechanics in that game he is basically telegraphing where he is throwing the ball to allowing the dbs time to get there. He is not sensing the blitz and overthrowing his receivers. Totally nervous and not ready. If they actually believed he was ready they must be delusional or intensely bad judges of talent. 3. If you benched TT to light a fire under him to perform down the stretch well I guess you got his attention, but to do it when the playoffs are in sight? Really bad idea. 4. Did they bench TT because they were afraid as Vic Carucci said that he would lead them into the playoffs and they don’t see him as part of the future? So they would actually deny us the chance at the playoffs to further their "process" . Then McD and Beane are truly evil and against anything this fan base holds dear. 5. If they benched TT because they wanted to distract from a horrendous defense effort then they are simply morons. 6. Why in the hell if you are putting a rookie in to start do you not work with Dennison to call the simplest game plan ever. McCoy should have been used non stop, simple passes to keep the defense honest. It seemed to me that Dennison’s game plan was a little too much for Peterman to accomplish and once they were down it put Peterman into an impossible position. 7. If you knew how bad our O line has been in the last 2 weeks with an elusive mobile QB then why the hell would you put a less mobile pocket passer in?? That was suicidal. Beyond stupid. Peterman tooks some incredible hits that led to at least 2 of his INTS. Once again this seriously questions McD’s intelligence. The bottom line is that this game has exposed McD and Beane in multiple ways and they have egg all over their faces. Although I was skeptical, I thought McD was an upgrade on Rex’s gong show. Now I am not so sure. It seems like he could be just as much as a fraud. that's a biggie. It was a risky move and a very critical moment in the season. I hope the team can recover quickly.... like by Sunday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted November 20, 2017 Share Posted November 20, 2017 His judgment is really suspect with some of the personnel and in game moves he's made to date. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted November 20, 2017 Share Posted November 20, 2017 Disagree. Any time you have the chance to give total power to run a NFL franchise to a guy who's only previous head coaching experience was 7 year old girl's soccer, you have to do it. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hemma Posted November 20, 2017 Share Posted November 20, 2017 Get over it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BadLandsMeanie Posted November 20, 2017 Share Posted November 20, 2017 Unfortunately OP I agree with almost every single thing you wrote. Not a good situation right now. Major errors were made besides just a bad rookie outing. 39 minutes ago, Buffalo Boy said: There is a growth process for coaches too. I was concerned about McD’s learning curve this preseason. Sometimes the hardest lessons are the lessons that really sting. All coaches have some sort of bravado about them. All leaders do. The question is, does he get rattled or does he keep on keepin on and build for next year. Coaches learn but by the time you are head coach you are supposed to know most of it already. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wppete Posted November 20, 2017 Share Posted November 20, 2017 McDermott is an awful coach. We have seen enough of him all his scripted talk nonesense. He has to go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LABILLBACKER Posted November 20, 2017 Share Posted November 20, 2017 1 hour ago, Idandria said: Peterman set a record for first half interceptions. Not good, and this was facilitated by McDs decision. He looks like a total idiot. Not good. I don't recall things being this messed up in awhile. Not to mention this just kills any confidence Peterman might have had for the rest of the season. As some of the announcers said today I don't know how he recovers from this. Mcd, Denison,Castillo I don't care who, but someone better light up this O-line.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dablitzkrieg Posted November 20, 2017 Share Posted November 20, 2017 McDermott lost me when he continuously plays Tolbert. His idea of "his caliber" players is a joke. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LarryMadman Posted November 20, 2017 Share Posted November 20, 2017 8 minutes ago, wppete said: McDermott is an awful coach. We have seen enough of him all his scripted talk nonesense. He has to go. He and Beane need to start making better decisions or they aren't going to last 2 seasons. This "process" philosophy was kind of comical in the beginning when things were seemingly going ok. Now that things are kind of a mess, their "process" philosophy makes them look really really stupid, Chip Kelly stupid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan130 Posted November 20, 2017 Share Posted November 20, 2017 Mcd is a phony. This guy preaches "family" all the time and then trades away players mid year. (Dareus) Ya Dareus was a problem child, but if you are "family" shouldn't you be working with that player to find a solution?.. Then he announces TT as the starter after the saints game, then goes to Peterman 2 days after. I am really starting to wonder if he has lost the respect from his players by some of his decisions Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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