John from Riverside Posted February 15, 2018 Share Posted February 15, 2018 3 minutes ago, transplantbillsfan said: I think it's March 16th... but it sounds like the Bills are considering keeping him, paying him the bonus, and continuing to explore trade options approaching draft time, likely in an effort to move up in the draft to get a QB. Once the Bills pay him the $6million bonus, other teams are not liable for that money. If they plan on cutting him....I dont know if this is a smart move Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BADOLBILZ Posted February 15, 2018 Share Posted February 15, 2018 7 hours ago, Thurman#1 said: Really? The Bills had their biggest offensive yardage production day ever this year? Which day was that? 'Cause I'd have thought the 488 against the 9ers in 1992 would've been at least one game higher than anything they did this year, or the 490 the same year against the Pats. Or the 537 the year before against the Steelers. Or the 582 that same year, 1991, against the Dolphins. Glad to find out we did even better this year, reaching "their biggest offensive yardage production day ever." Wow!!! Which game was that again, this year? And how many passing yards did Tyrod have to add to this massive outburst? It's an old thread.........check my post date..........you responded to a post from November. At which point last year was 2016...........and the Bills put up 589 yards in the home game versus the Dolphins on 12/24/16. Yeah.........that's more than 488 or 582. This post proves your commitment to being an idiot though.........you are all in. Talk about a waste of keystrokes. And btw.........check out that last line "Taylor could be back in the lineup at any moment"...........and sure enough he was back for the !@#$ing second half of the Chargers game. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
transplantbillsfan Posted February 15, 2018 Share Posted February 15, 2018 19 hours ago, Kirby Jackson said: He says at the end “seems Buffalo will be able to do so.” Why would someone trade for a guy that will get released? It’s like Cousins. Call the team’s bluff and make them release these guys . Probably because of the other side of this coin. It's likely a simple "If/then" statement: IF the Bills are considering keeping him past the March 16th deadline, paying him the $6million bonus in an effort to trade him for something better THEN they are also considering keeping him on the team in 2018 if they don't get what they feel is fair compensation for him. 33 minutes ago, John from Hemet said: If they plan on cutting him....I dont know if this is a smart move Well, that's the point I just addressed. They wouldn't cut him if they kept him after March 16th. If the Bills are considering keeping him, paying his bonus, and exploring trade options between March 16th and the draft. They're also very likely considering keeping him for the remainder of his contract if they don't get what they feel is fair value for him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted February 15, 2018 Share Posted February 15, 2018 33 minutes ago, transplantbillsfan said: I think it's March 16th... but it sounds like the Bills are considering keeping him, paying him the bonus, and continuing to explore trade options approaching draft time, likely in an effort to move up in the draft to get a QB. Once the Bills pay him the $6million bonus, other teams are not liable for that money. ....you're correct bud with my apology.....woeful typo.......they have a two day window between start of FA on the 14th and the 16th bonus due day.....not sure if that has already been factored in around here by the capologists in cap savings calculations of $9.44 million......... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted February 15, 2018 Share Posted February 15, 2018 (edited) It's amazing how similar Taylor hate is to the Flutie hate. Taylor still has a lot of football left, Flutie was at the end. I have a feeling we will regret getting rid of Taylor. Edited February 15, 2018 by TheTruthHurts 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted February 15, 2018 Share Posted February 15, 2018 53 minutes ago, transplantbillsfan said: Probably because of the other side of this coin. It's likely a simple "If/then" statement: IF the Bills are considering keeping him past the March 16th deadline, paying him the $6million bonus in an effort to trade him for something better THEN they are also considering keeping him on the team in 2018 if they don't get what they feel is fair compensation for him. Well, that's the point I just addressed. They wouldn't cut him if they kept him after March 16th. If the Bills are considering keeping him, paying his bonus, and exploring trade options between March 16th and the draft. They're also very likely considering keeping him for the remainder of his contract if they don't get what they feel is fair value for him. Maybe so, I just wouldn’t as a team. I would call bluffs. Tyrod is a pretty good contract and I’m not shocked that someone would send an asset. I just don’t think that the Bills are going to keep him. If I was a team that wanted him I’d wait them out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted February 15, 2018 Share Posted February 15, 2018 What team is that desperate to overpay for TT? Browns and who else? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted February 15, 2018 Share Posted February 15, 2018 55 minutes ago, TheTruthHurts said: It's amazing how similar Taylor hate is to the Flutie hate. Taylor still has a lot of football left, Flutie was at the end. I have a feeling we will regret getting rid of Taylor. I totally forsee this unless the bills are very serious about upgrading the position...... The "anybody but tyrod" crowd just does not get it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted February 15, 2018 Share Posted February 15, 2018 7 minutes ago, ShadyBillsFan said: What team is that desperate to overpay for TT? Browns and who else? Why would they have to overpay? Taylor makes about what he should. 1 minute ago, John from Hemet said: I totally forsee this unless the bills are very serious about upgrading the position...... The "anybody but tyrod" crowd just does not get it The Bills could be serious and not upgrade. Finding a QB is hard, especially a consistent one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted February 15, 2018 Share Posted February 15, 2018 4 minutes ago, TheTruthHurts said: Why would they have to overpay? Taylor makes about what he should. The Bills could be serious and not upgrade. Finding a QB is hard, especially a consistent one. It was more like giving up a draft pick for TT if a trade were to happen. I really dont think the Bills will take on the additional $6 mil cap space people are talking about. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted February 15, 2018 Share Posted February 15, 2018 Just now, ShadyBillsFan said: It was more like giving up a draft pick for TT if a trade were to happen. I really dont think the Bills will take on the additional $6 mil cap space people are talking about. It may cost a team more money in free agency the way QB contracts are heading. Taylor is set to be 16th or 17th highest paid QB as of today, that will change . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ndirish1978 Posted February 16, 2018 Share Posted February 16, 2018 I wouldn't move him. I'd draft a QB rd1, keep TT and make him train his successor. A bird in hand... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thurman#1 Posted February 16, 2018 Share Posted February 16, 2018 (edited) 7 hours ago, BADOLBILZ said: It's an old thread.........check my post date..........you responded to a post from November. At which point last year was 2016...........and the Bills put up 589 yards in the home game versus the Dolphins on 12/24/16. Yeah.........that's more than 488 or 582. This post proves your commitment to being an idiot though.........you are all in. Talk about a waste of keystrokes. And btw.........check out that last line "Taylor could be back in the lineup at any moment"...........and sure enough he was back for the !@#$ing second half of the Chargers game. Ah, someone necro-bumped an old thread. And you're boasting about production in the OT game where they played 47 seconds less than five full quarters? Gotcha. Well, your post wasn't as dumb as it initially appeared but still jousting at windmills, or in this case straw men. You said Tyrod was "considered a lock to be out of town with zero games left to make his case." Nonsense. I suppose some people were saying that, but in no way was it a lock. Peterman was widely considered as being given his chance, but nobody knew for sure what would happen or if Tyrod would be back. "Like it or not he could be back in the lineup at any moment," you said? Yeah, the possibility surely existed. Hell, on this thread from before Peterman's meltdown, in the three posts in November that commented on whether Tyrod would see more time in 2017, one guy said "highly doubtful" and two said yeah it was possible. What really was considered as being huge about the substitution is that it seemed to show McD's opinion about Tyrod and make it very likely he wouldn't be back the next year. Which is still true. Rapoport's tweet makes more sense from November than now, but wouldn't be surprised to see the Bills floating the same kind of smoke/trial balloon again soon. "Get him while you can before we have to pay the bonus, because we might keep him. Anybody? Anybody?" Edited February 16, 2018 by Thurman#1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
transplantbillsfan Posted February 16, 2018 Share Posted February 16, 2018 1 hour ago, Thurman#1 said: Ah, someone necro-bumped an old thread. And you're boasting about production in the OT game where they played 47 seconds less than five full quarters? Gotcha. Well, your post wasn't as dumb as it initially appeared but still jousting at windmills, or in this case straw men. You said Tyrod was "considered a lock to be out of town with zero games left to make his case." Nonsense. I suppose some people were saying that, but in no way was it a lock. Peterman was widely considered as being given his chance, but nobody knew for sure what would happen or if Tyrod would be back. "Like it or not he could be back in the lineup at any moment," you said? Yeah, the possibility surely existed. Hell, on this thread from before Peterman's meltdown, in the three posts in November that commented on whether Tyrod would see more time in 2017, one guy said "highly doubtful" and two said yeah it was possible. What really was considered as being huge about the substitution is that it seemed to show McD's opinion about Tyrod and make it very likely he wouldn't be back the next year. Which is still true. Rapoport's tweet makes more sense from November than now, but wouldn't be surprised to see the Bills floating the same kind of smoke/trial balloon again soon. "Get him while you can before we have to pay the bonus, because we might keep him. Anybody? Anybody?" You seriously couldn't figure out what game he was talking about? If you actually thought his post before was dumb, it's (sorry to be so blunt here) because you lacked common sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Call_Of_Ktulu Posted February 16, 2018 Share Posted February 16, 2018 If Taylor stays all I can say is poor Daboll and welcome to Buffalo OC #5. After 2 OC's being fired the red flags and neon lights should be flashing. If we break Jay Cutler's record for OC's I will be amazed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted February 16, 2018 Share Posted February 16, 2018 14 hours ago, Kirby Jackson said: Maybe so, I just wouldn’t as a team. I would call bluffs. Tyrod is a pretty good contract and I’m not shocked that someone would send an asset. I just don’t think that the Bills are going to keep him. If I was a team that wanted him I’d wait them out. Flip side is for a low pick you avoid a signing bonus, and multi year commitments— unless he ends up much cheaper as a free agent. I think that’s the true calculation at play, not the draft pick 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrEpsYtown Posted February 16, 2018 Share Posted February 16, 2018 With all of the quarterbacks on the market, no one will trade for this guy. It just doesn't make any sense. As a free agent, he would not make anything near the 18 million he is scheduled to make. I could see him going somewhere as a backup insurance policy type. Maybe to Miami to compete with Tannehill, or San Diego to backup Rivers and reunite with Anthony Lynn. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigBuff423 Posted February 16, 2018 Share Posted February 16, 2018 Just now, MrEpsYtown said: With all of the quarterbacks on the market, no one will trade for this guy. It just doesn't make any sense. As a free agent, he would not make anything near the 18 million he is scheduled to make. I could see him going somewhere as a backup insurance policy type. Maybe to Miami to compete with Tannehill, or San Diego to backup Rivers and reunite with Anthony Lynn. I am one of Tyrod's most outspoken detractors (accuracy, inability to make reads / audibles on Defenses, can't anticipate a guy open / throw him open, etc.), but if Mike Glennon got $15 million for his resume and to be a back-up, Tyrod's 18 million is basically right on par. Because he adds a dimension Glennon does not, doesn't turn the ball over, and throws a better deep ball - all the other things are still true of Tyrod which is why I don't want him starting for the Bills and because of his history with them I don't want him on the team at all, to avoid controversy and the darn Tyrod debate that has raged for 3 years, but if I were say, the Cards or Browns who both will probably Draft a QB, he would be well worth the money and trade capital for that team since it won't take a 3rd and probably just a 4th to get it done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted February 16, 2018 Share Posted February 16, 2018 4 minutes ago, MrEpsYtown said: With all of the quarterbacks on the market, no one will trade for this guy. It just doesn't make any sense. As a free agent, he would not make anything near the 18 million he is scheduled to make. I could see him going somewhere as a backup insurance policy type. Maybe to Miami to compete with Tannehill, or San Diego to backup Rivers and reunite with Anthony Lynn. A ticky tack point— but part of that 18 is signing bonus which wouldn’t go with him. I doubt it changes your take, but I think he’s in the territory where a few million might sway someone’s evaluation 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuck Wagon Posted February 16, 2018 Share Posted February 16, 2018 It seems like Arizona would be a pretty logical landing place for Tyrod. With Larry Fitz coming back and David Johnson returning from injury, they may be more interested in a veteran than counting on a rookie or guys like Stanton / Gabbert. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrEpsYtown Posted February 16, 2018 Share Posted February 16, 2018 25 minutes ago, BigBuff423 said: I am one of Tyrod's most outspoken detractors (accuracy, inability to make reads / audibles on Defenses, can't anticipate a guy open / throw him open, etc.), but if Mike Glennon got $15 million for his resume and to be a back-up, Tyrod's 18 million is basically right on par. Because he adds a dimension Glennon does not, doesn't turn the ball over, and throws a better deep ball - all the other things are still true of Tyrod which is why I don't want him starting for the Bills and because of his history with them I don't want him on the team at all, to avoid controversy and the darn Tyrod debate that has raged for 3 years, but if I were say, the Cards or Browns who both will probably Draft a QB, he would be well worth the money and trade capital for that team since it won't take a 3rd and probably just a 4th to get it done. Great points. That Glennon contract was clearly a mistake, but I think they thought they were getting a guy who still had some potential, just in case they could not trade up in the draft. They were signing him to be their starter at the time, not their backup, they fell in love with Trubisky and made the trade up. Tyrod is what he is. I think the Browns are much more likely to sign McCarron and there is 0% chance that Arizona is going to give Larry Fitzgerald a Tyrod Taylor for his last couple of years. Thanks for your service Larry...here's a guy he won't throw you the ball... I would be shocked if we are able to acquire any compensation for him. I think he goes and backs up a guy like Tannehill, Rivers, or even Prescott in Dallas and gets a contract like Brian Hoyer's 2 year 12 million dollar deal with San Fran. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uticaclub Posted February 16, 2018 Share Posted February 16, 2018 14 hours ago, TheTruthHurts said: It may cost a team more money in free agency the way QB contracts are heading. Taylor is set to be 16th or 17th highest paid QB as of today, that will change . He’s the 16th or 17th highest paid QB because he’s the probably the 20th best QB in the league. We deserve better Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted February 16, 2018 Share Posted February 16, 2018 (edited) 20 minutes ago, uticaclub said: He’s the 16th or 17th highest paid QB because he’s the probably the 20th best QB in the league. We deserve better We should strive to get better. Getting rid of Taylor doesn't make us better. Upgrading Taylor needs to be the priority though, Having Taylor at his current price doesn't prevent us or any team from upgrading him through the draft. If you can find a capable vet starter for cheaper then do it. If you can find a similar or better player for around the same price then do it. I was all for Alex Smith, but even Smith wouldn't prevent me from drafting a highly ranked QB. Edited February 16, 2018 by TheTruthHurts 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teddy KGB Posted February 16, 2018 Share Posted February 16, 2018 17 hours ago, TheTruthHurts said: It's amazing how similar Taylor hate is to the Flutie hate. Taylor still has a lot of football left, Flutie was at the end. I have a feeling we will regret getting rid of Taylor. Theres 0% chance anyone will miss the QB who can’t QB. 16 hours ago, John from Hemet said: I totally forsee this unless the bills are very serious about upgrading the position...... The "anybody but tyrod" crowd just does not get it You don’t get it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted February 16, 2018 Share Posted February 16, 2018 7 minutes ago, Teddy KGB said: Theres 0% chance anyone will miss the QB who can’t QB. You don’t get it I don't think I've seen 38 likes before 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted February 16, 2018 Share Posted February 16, 2018 37 minutes ago, Teddy KGB said: Theres 0% chance anyone will miss the QB who can’t QB. You don’t get it Greg Roman passing offense prior to Taylor: 2011 - 31 2012 - 31 2013 - 32 2014 - 29 Rick Dennison never ran an offense before 2017. So Taylor may be better or worse in a real passing offense. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
transplantbillsfan Posted February 17, 2018 Share Posted February 17, 2018 8 hours ago, ShadyBillsFan said: I don't think I've seen 38 likes before Yes... we all know how much you value those likes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FrankoElTanko Posted February 17, 2018 Share Posted February 17, 2018 On 2/15/2018 at 10:50 AM, YoloinOhio said: He had a lot of issues and a brutal contract. We were lucky to get a 5th. Starting QBs, even below average ones, with middle of the road contracts, have more value. As I’ve said a few times a team like the Browns that is not a popular FA destination, with exorbitant cap space, draft picks to burn and a giant void for a vet QB may choose to make this trade. Yea ^ this... Great read on Dareus. I wish we would have tried harder to reclaim a 3rd overall All-Pro under 30, already signed for the next few years though.... Whatever it's done and in comparison to the TT situation, I find it almost nil that he is traded unless some team like Denver or Arizona were to make a move and with the rest of the market (I think Cousins will go to the Donkeys) I find it highly unlikely AZ or anyone else in a similar predicament places that phone call. I mean nobody could have predicted Alex smith would be TRADED for a 3rd and a DB when he was already likely to get cut. Total Synder move and NOT par for the course. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreggTX Posted February 17, 2018 Share Posted February 17, 2018 Throw in Shaq and make it a package deal. I don't think they'll get any offers, but I hope they do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xRUSHx Posted February 17, 2018 Share Posted February 17, 2018 On 2/15/2018 at 6:21 PM, ShadyBillsFan said: What team is that desperate to overpay for TT? Browns and who else? IMO the only team willing to overpay for Tyrod is the team he is on. They overpaid for Fitz so there is a very good chance the trend will continue for OBD with Tyrod. Just like last year no team will want to scrap there scheme to make a special short bus Taylor made scheme, his trade value is zero, ain't nobody buying that, even if we pay the bonus we will only end up stuck with him. The Browns are not the same screw ups anymore IMO, they are going to be correcting past problems so they will get better by drafting a better talent at QB this year and will all of a sudden be a contender while the Bills could continue down the same overpaid backup road desperate to win now mode of waiting for a franchise QB to fall out of the sky while building the rest of the team first. All this time it could have been a OBD purgatory and not the Whaley QB purgatory he was blamed and fired for. We will see come draft time did OBD forced him to purge other teams backup piles over drafting a top talent at QB? If Tyrod remains and no QB is taken in the first round we should all know Whaley was not the problem in finding a better talent at QB it was OBD brass that has held this team back from fixing the most important part. Sadly if Cinci did not help us last season it would have just been another notch in the OBD fail of a never ending groundhogs day. The draft can't come soon enough, sadly we will know how it will shake out before it even starts when either Tyrod stays or goes. OBD or Whaley who was the real problem of this purgatory? 12 hours ago, transplantbillsfan said: Yes... we all know how much you value those likes We all know how much your Jelly over his likes. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Gun Posted February 17, 2018 Share Posted February 17, 2018 (edited) 13 minutes ago, xRUSHx said: IMO the only team willing to overpay for Tyrod is the team he is on. They overpaid for Fitz so there is a very good chance the trend will continue for OBD with Tyrod. Just like last year no team will want to scrap there scheme to make a special short bus Taylor made scheme, his trade value is zero, ain't nobody buying that, even if we pay the bonus we will only end up stuck with him. The Browns are not the same screw ups anymore IMO, they are going to be correcting past problems so they will get better by drafting a better talent at QB this year and will all of a sudden be a contender while the Bills could continue down the same overpaid backup road desperate to win now mode of waiting for a franchise QB to fall out of the sky while building the rest of the team first. All this time it could have been a OBD purgatory and not the Whaley QB purgatory he was blamed and fired for. We will see come draft time did OBD forced him to purge other teams backup piles over drafting a top talent at QB? If Tyrod remains and no QB is taken in the first round we should all know Whaley was not the problem in finding a better talent at QB it was OBD brass that has held this team back from fixing the most important part. Sadly if Cinci did not help us last season it would have just been another notch in the OBD fail of a never ending groundhogs day. The draft can't come soon enough, sadly we will know how it will shake out before it even starts when either Tyrod stays or goes. OBD or Whaley who was the real problem of this purgatory? We all know how much your Jelly over his likes. Yup, nobody wants Taylor. Throw MCCarron and Foles into the mix and that is 2 more teams less interested in TT. He might latch on somewhere as a backup on the cheap IMO. Way more intriguing QB prospects out there GMs would be willing to take a chance on starting over TT. Thinking otherwise is foolish. Edited February 17, 2018 by PeterGriffin 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted February 17, 2018 Share Posted February 17, 2018 23 hours ago, MrEpsYtown said: Great points. That Glennon contract was clearly a mistake, but I think they thought they were getting a guy who still had some potential, just in case they could not trade up in the draft. They were signing him to be their starter at the time, not their backup, they fell in love with Trubisky and made the trade up. Tyrod is what he is. I think the Browns are much more likely to sign McCarron and there is 0% chance that Arizona is going to give Larry Fitzgerald a Tyrod Taylor for his last couple of years. Thanks for your service Larry...here's a guy he won't throw you the ball... I would be shocked if we are able to acquire any compensation for him. I think he goes and backs up a guy like Tannehill, Rivers, or even Prescott in Dallas and gets a contract like Brian Hoyer's 2 year 12 million dollar deal with San Fran. ....agree.....and it appears that da Bears are admitting their mistake with his forecasted imminent release.....if TT is not in McBeane's plans, he'll have 2 days to wheel and deal starting 3/14 before the $6 mil roster bonus comes due on the 16th......opposing GM's probably hold pat, waiting for his eventual release versus surrendering a pick unless McBeane pays the $6 mil......some mocks have Jackson going to 'Zona.....they may like two similar styles and sign TT as well to go with formidable running game with Johnson returning....and I agree about McCarron possibly landing with Browns...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALF Posted February 17, 2018 Share Posted February 17, 2018 Taylor is a class act and can be an effective bridge or backup if used correctly . I think he can have a long NFL career if used in that role. Some team with cap space to burn could trade for him . I would rather draft a QB high and go with a cheaper bridge then Taylor or a more expensive FA . It's just time to move on and take a risk at this position. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted February 17, 2018 Share Posted February 17, 2018 (edited) 14 minutes ago, ALF said: Taylor is a class act and can be an effective bridge or backup if used correctly . I think he can have a long NFL career if used in that role. Some team with cap space to burn could trade for him . I would rather draft a QB high and go with a cheaper bridge then Taylor or a more expensive FA . It's just time to move on and take a risk at this position. ....agree 100% ALF......with a strong draft and modest FA spending, this club can be a solid playoff contender versus praying for a repeat of the "Cincy Effect" in 2018 (McBeane certainly has the horsepower on his staff to hit a home run IMO)....unfortunately, TT's struggles are with the mental aspect of the game at the NFL level (speed and complexity, principal weaknesses of many which is why Steve Young said is the reason "more collegians fail versus succeed at the NFL level"..)....guess I'm now branded as a "hater" by the "day care crowd"...oh well......do we have the time to spend a season on the TT/Daboll experiment?......is the mental aspect of the game teachable, a/k/a "retraining the brain to speed up"?.....my opinion is no to both.... Edited February 17, 2018 by OldTimeAFLGuy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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