Bills to explore trade market for tyrod

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

Taylor will agree to take a paycut to stay in Buffalo, or by default he'll get a paycut by getting cut.   $8 Mil cap hit if cut. 

 

blah blah I am not adding post June BS every time I post this so, please don't keep  reminding me of it.  (you know who you are) 

[Thurman#1]

On 11/20/2017 at 2:59 AM, BADOLBILZ said:

 

 

Last year Taylor lead the Bills to their biggest offensive yardage production day ever...........and two days later he was benched......... and considered a lock to be out of town with zero games left to make his case.

 

Like it or not he could end up back in the lineup at any moment.   

 

 

 

Really? The Bills had their biggest offensive yardage production day ever this year? Which day was that?

 

'Cause I'd have thought the 488 against the 9ers in 1992 would've been at least one game higher than anything they did this year, or the 490 the same year against the Pats. Or the 537 the year before against the Steelers. Or the 582 that same year, 1991, against the Dolphins. 

 

Glad to find out we did even better this year, reaching "their biggest offensive yardage production day ever." Wow!!! Which game was that again, this year? And how many passing yards did Tyrod have to add to this massive outburst?

[bobobonators]

If he takes a pay cut. Keep him. Draft a QB or sign another veteran. If not, trade him or cut him. 

 

Based on the hatred for the guy by many Bills fans, id rather cut him so i dont have to hear the constant drivel anymore. 

[BuffaloHokie13]

6 minutes ago, Thurman#1 said:

Really? The Bills had their biggest offensive yardage production day ever this year? Which day was that?

I'd imagine he was referring to the Miami game with 601 yards of offense that came right before he was benched for the Jets finale.

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

6 minutes ago, BuffaloHokie13 said:

I'd imagine he was referring to the Miami game with 601 yards of offense that came right before he was benched for the Jets finale.

 

There was the Seattle game and the Miami OT game .....   Beyond those it is basically one or two "great games"  per season and the rest are his typical game.  Hence my reference to Typical Taylor.  

 

Edited February 15, 2018 by ShadyBillsFan

[DCOrange]

I think Cleveland is a very sensible landing spot for him, especially if they're as enamored with Josh Allen as some recent reports have indicated. Cleveland is trying to fight off the reputation that they're a complete joke...improving from having the most turnovers in the NFL to possibly the fewest would be a gigantic step in the right direction for them while they develop a young QB and Tyrod is on an expiring contract so it works out pretty perfectly for them.

[Thurman#1]

20 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:

I don’t think the 6 mill is that big of a deal if paying it means they can get a decent pick or player back 

 

 

It's not that small of a deal either. And no team is going to tell them what they would give in trade before they pay that bonus. If they pay the $6 mill, they will have to do it blind. The new regime is fiscally conservative. What level pick would they think would be worth $6 mill? A 3rd? A 4th? A 5th?

 

And if they do pay that $6 mill, it'll mean $13.64 mill in dead money, for a team that's already got $18.68 mill in dead money. Would that be an all-time record? If not, it'd be pretty close, I'd guess.

 

It's possible. I'd argue it's not likely at all. If they pay that $6 mill, my guess is that they would have to be willing to see him on the roster for another year unless they get a very nice little offer.

[BuffaloHokie13]

8 minutes ago, ShadyBillsFan said:

There was the Seattle game and the Miami OT game .....   Beyond those it is basically one or two "great games"  per season and the rest are his typical game.  Hence my reference to Typical Taylor.  

My comment had nothing to do with anything you have said in this thread. Thurman asked a question, I gave him the answer.

[aristocrat]

arizona seems like it would be a nice spot for him. david johnson and the big run game. pretty reasonable cap if you have a rookie as the backup and heir. 

[Kirby Jackson]

5 minutes ago, DCOrange said:

I think Cleveland is a very sensible landing spot for him, especially if they're as enamored with Josh Allen as some recent reports have indicated. Cleveland is trying to fight off the reputation that they're a complete joke...improving from having the most turnovers in the NFL to possibly the fewest would be a gigantic step in the right direction for them while they develop a young QB and Tyrod is on an expiring contract so it works out pretty perfectly for them.

That’s a place that makes sense (or wherever Allen lands). I feel the same about Lamar Jackson. Jackson and Allen are redshirts IMO. Wherever they end up should have a veteran option. 

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

3 minutes ago, BuffaloHokie13 said:

My comment had nothing to do with anything you have said in this thread. Thurman asked a question, I gave him the answer.

  Easy fellah     

 

I was adding games where TT excelled. 

so defensive.  chillax 

[DCOrange]

3 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said:

That’s a place that makes sense (or wherever Allen lands). I feel the same about Lamar Jackson. Jackson and Allen are redshirts IMO. Wherever they end up should have a veteran option. 

 

I'm really curious to see what ends up happening with Lamar. If a team wants to overhaul his footwork, he'll certainly need a year (or at least like half a season) to create new muscle memory.

 

But I've seen articles suggest that Petrino specifically taught Lamar the footwork he uses now to help maximize his accuracy with his flick of the wrist throwing motion, and if a team buys into that line of thinking, I think he might be the most NFL-ready honestly. His running ability will take a lot of pressure off transitioning his passing game and he's already familiar with pro-style passing concepts. I believe it was Matt Miller a few days ago that basically alluded to this, saying that Lamar could probably have the greatest impact at the start of the season of any of this year's QBs.

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

La Canfora writes 

Several NFL execs said they foresee a decent trade market for Taylor [1], who just turned 28 in August, this offseason, and expect interest to form at the combine. Not all teams will be in line to draft a quarterback they like, some will invariably prefer Taylor, who has played in 52 games (38 starts) with 47 touchdowns to just 17 interceptions (his 1.5 career interception percentage puts him atop league leaders) with a very solid QB rating of 92.1, while also averaging 5.5 yards per carry with 10 rushing touchdowns.

 

Besides Brees, the free-agent class of quarterbacks is hardly overwhelming. Sam Bradford is hurt again, Teddy Bridgewater hasn't played in two years, Kirk Cousins is virtually certain to get tagged again -- franchise or transition -- and Case Keenum may be the next best available if he doesn't sign an extension.

 

While teams could conceivably wait for the Bills to release Taylor -- given that looming roster bonus -- the ability to land him at a reasonable contract and secure his rights for at least 2018 will likely lead to someone giving Buffalo something of reasonable value for the quarterback, the GMs predicted. They are almost always in short supply, and Taylor looks like a great bargain compared to recent deals for Brock Osweiler (Cleveland paid $16M just to release him) and Mike Glennon (barely held his starting job for a month after being given $18.5M guaranteed in March).

 

[1]  I say Step on up and make the Bills an offer ! 

 

[1a]  Are these the same 4 guys that said they had interest in TT 2 seasons ago? 

Edited February 15, 2018 by ShadyBillsFan

[Jerry Jabber]

They might be able to get a 4th or 5th round pick for Tyrod is they're lucky. Otherwise, I think the Bills will cut him before March 16th.

[baskingridgebillsfan]

31 very quick phone calls.  

[Hapless Bills Fan]

8 hours ago, Joaquin1119 said:

I think a lot of nfl teams wouldn’t make a trade for TT. They would wait until the bills release him. No point trading for TT. I wouldn’t waste my draft pick for him if I was an nfl owner

 

I think this.

 

But then I also thought that teams would wait for KC to release Smith in a cap move, not trade a 3rd round pick AND a starting DB for him, then sign him to a huge contract.

 

Not saying Tyrod = Smith, just saying that if the QB market is so tight that a team is willing to pay a relative ransom for Smith, Tyrod might have more value than we as fans perceive.

[YoloinOhio]

1 hour ago, Thurman#1 said:

 

 

It's not that small of a deal either. And no team is going to tell them what they would give in trade before they pay that bonus. If they pay the $6 mill, they will have to do it blind. The new regime is fiscally conservative. What level pick would they think would be worth $6 mill? A 3rd? A 4th? A 5th?

 

And if they do pay that $6 mill, it'll mean $13.64 mill in dead money, for a team that's already got $18.68 mill in dead money. Would that be an all-time record? If not, it'd be pretty close, I'd guess.

 

It's possible. I'd argue it's not likely at all. If they pay that $6 mill, my guess is that they would have to be willing to see him on the roster for another year unless they get a very nice little offer.

Why not? 

[baskingridgebillsfan]

6 hours ago, TheTruthHurts said:

If Taylor played for the Browns and had the same stats and made the playoffs most Bills fans would want him. Most would trade a mid round pick for him. 

did they make the playoffs because of him or in spite of him ?

16 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

I think this.

 

But then I also thought that teams would wait for KC to release Smith in a cap move, not trade a 3rd round pick AND a starting DB for him, then sign him to a huge contract.

 

Not saying Tyrod = Smith, just saying that if the QB market is so tight that a team is willing to pay a relative ransom for Smith, Tyrod might have more value than we as fans perceive.

I disagree , this off season is flush with decent qb's .  4-6 are going to get drafted in round 1 , smith already changed teams, cousins in out there, Bradford and Keenum are better then taylor.  , Foles is floating out there , and if you want to dig even deeper Derek Anderson and Matt moore have played games that Taylor could only dream of.   

 

[Kirby Jackson]

1 hour ago, DCOrange said:

 

I'm really curious to see what ends up happening with Lamar. If a team wants to overhaul his footwork, he'll certainly need a year (or at least like half a season) to create new muscle memory.

 

But I've seen articles suggest that Petrino specifically taught Lamar the footwork he uses now to help maximize his accuracy with his flick of the wrist throwing motion, and if a team buys into that line of thinking, I think he might be the most NFL-ready honestly. His running ability will take a lot of pressure off transitioning his passing game and he's already familiar with pro-style passing concepts. I believe it was Matt Miller a few days ago that basically alluded to this, saying that Lamar could probably have the greatest impact at the start of the season of any of this year's QBs.

That’s an interesting take. I could see him being a fairly inefficient playmaker early. He has so much ability. I just don’t know if he will get better without the adjustments. 

15 minutes ago, baskingridgebillsfan said:

did they make the playoffs because of him or in spite of him ?

You don’t do something wholly “because of” or “in spite of.” Football is the ultimate team game where the sum of the parts is always the answer. We were worse running, throwing, scoring, point differential, sacks, etc...but won more games. It is the combination of everything that give you the end result.

[Thurman#1]

1 hour ago, YoloinOhio said:

Why not? 

 

 

 

Seriously? Is that an actual question? Why wouldn't another team give an honest answer now about what they'll give after the bonus is due?

 

Same reason you don't show your cards in poker before you bet. And especially not halfway through a betting round when the next guy to pay or fold is your opponent.

Edited February 15, 2018 by Thurman#1

[YoloinOhio]

4 minutes ago, Thurman#1 said:

 

 

 

Seriously? Is that an actual question?

 

OK, a guy has a used car that you want to buy. And you know that on a certain day, to retain that used car you know that he has to pay about 3% of his year's income (the $6 mill out of the total adjusted cap for next year according to Spotrac, $188 mill).You also know that all but 16% of his total income is already spent (our available cap). He'll be able to free some up but not that much. You go to him before that deadline and he asks you what you'll pay for the car after the deadline passes. Do you tell him? Hell, no, you lowball him, same as you would anytime anyone asks for an offer. More so, understanding that the pressure will be on him to sell before that date.

 

The pressure's nearly all on the Bills, who will absolutely want to trade him before they spend the $6 mill, or more likely before they don't spend the $6 mill.

 

This story is just the kind of thing you'd expect the Bills to put out, that they might pay the $6 mill. It's most likely smoke, hoping to create pre-bonus demand, for obvious reasons. Could be some truth in it. It's just unlikely.

They will know whether they can get anything in a trade by the end of the combine. 

[Thurman#1]

 

 

3 hours ago, Thurman#1 said:

 

 

It's not that small of a deal either. And no team is going to tell them what they would give in trade before they pay that bonus. If they pay the $6 mill, they will have to do it blind. The new regime is fiscally conservative. What level pick would they think would be worth $6 mill? A 3rd? A 4th? A 5th?

 

And if they do pay that $6 mill, it'll mean $13.64 mill in dead money, for a team that's already got $18.68 mill in dead money. Would that be an all-time record? If not, it'd be pretty close, I'd guess.

 

It's possible. I'd argue it's not likely at all. If they pay that $6 mill, my guess is that they would have to be willing to see him on the roster for another year unless they get a very nice little offer.

 

 

28 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:

They will know whether they can get anything in a trade by the end of the combine. 

 

 

No, they'll know whether they can get an offer at that time by the end of the combine.

Edited February 15, 2018 by Thurman#1

[Thurman#1]

Offers change. And they certainly change, or appear or disappear, after milestones like the bonus. Nobody's going to see them at the combine and say, "We'll give you a 7th. But if you hold onto him and pay the bonus, then we'll give you a 4th a couple of months from now." The Bills will be blind about what they can get after paying the bonus. At least until they - theoretically - pay the bonus.

 

The argument I referred to is whether the Bills would pay the bonus and then trade him. 

 

So as I said, if they pay that bonus it likely means they are willing to see him on the roster for another year, though that might change with a really nice offer. A group this fiscally conservative is unlikely to bluff by paying $6 mill. Which is why it appears improbable that they would pay the bonus. 

 

Which would make this rumor a feint, released by the Bills, trying to convince teams that if they want Tyrod they'd better get him before the bonus. That's my guess. Could be wrong, but that's by far the most likely explanation.

[ColoradoBills]

4 hours ago, DCOrange said:

I think Cleveland is a very sensible landing spot for him, especially if they're as enamored with Josh Allen as some recent reports have indicated. Cleveland is trying to fight off the reputation that they're a complete joke...improving from having the most turnovers in the NFL to possibly the fewest would be a gigantic step in the right direction for them while they develop a young QB and Tyrod is on an expiring contract so it works out pretty perfectly for them.

 

Agree, I keep saying Cleveland is the #1 team to try to trade TT to.  If Cleveland wants TT and believe he will be cut, why would they think TT would sign with

them and not go to another team?  Cleveland has 12 picks this year.  Six of them in the top 65.  They have 2-5th round picks.

A 5th round pick to vastly improve their offense is nothing to them.

 

Cleveland's offense had 28 interceptions and 13 fumbles loss.  That's 41 turnovers!

Having TT as this years QB while the rookie sits is the PERFECT scenario for them.

[John from Riverside]

Given that we traded away Marcel for a late pick I dont think we should expect much......its a salary/cap dump

[YoloinOhio]

22 minutes ago, John from Hemet said:

Given that we traded away Marcel for a late pick I dont think we should expect much......its a salary/cap dump

He had a lot of issues and a brutal contract. We were lucky to get a 5th. Starting QBs, even below average ones, with middle of the road contracts, have more value. As I’ve said a few times a team like the Browns that is not a popular FA destination, with exorbitant cap space, draft picks to burn and a giant void for a vet QB may choose to make this trade.

[BigBuff423]

7 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:

He had a lot of issues and a brutal contract. We were lucky to get a 5th. Starting QBs, even below average ones, with middle of the road contracts, have more value. As I’ve said a few times a team like the Browns that is not a popular FA destination, with exorbitant cap space, draft picks to burn and a giant void for a vet QB may choose to make this trade.

 

Shhhhhhhh......you're making sense....

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

15 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:

He had a lot of issues and a brutal contract. We were lucky to get a 5th. Starting QBs, even below average ones, with middle of the road contracts, have more value. As I’ve said a few times a team like the Browns that is not a popular FA destination, with exorbitant cap space, draft picks to burn and a giant void for a vet QB may choose to make this trade.

Compared to what Cleveland has, TT should guarantee then at least 6 wins. 

 

(how many % better is that from 0 wins?) 

[YoloinOhio]

12 minutes ago, ShadyBillsFan said:

Compared to what Cleveland has, TT should guarantee then at least 6 wins. 

 

(how many % better is that from 0 wins?) 

That’s one factor that plays into it. I don’t think they will start the rookie right away. They are in a situation where they just need to win some games. They need to crawl before they can walk. TT makes sense for them because he can be a bridge to Darnold and just get them out of the depths of 1-31, without having playoff expectations as he would in Buffalo.

[Big Gun]

1 hour ago, ColoradoBills said:

 

Agree, I keep saying Cleveland is the #1 team to try to trade TT to.  If Cleveland wants TT and believe he will be cut, why would they think TT would sign with

them and not go to another team?  Cleveland has 12 picks this year.  Six of them in the top 65.  They have 2-5th round picks.

A 5th round pick to vastly improve their offense is nothing to them.

 

Cleveland's offense had 28 interceptions and 13 fumbles loss.  That's 41 turnovers!

Having TT as this years QB while the rookie sits is the PERFECT scenario for them.

If Cleveland drafts a QB and they throw the year away having him sit and learn, they don't need TT because they wouldn't care how good/bad the QB played knowing who would be taking over the next year. 

 

IMO if the Browns draft a QB that QB is starting right away. 

[cba fan]

On ‎11‎/‎19‎/‎2017 at 12:24 PM, Real McCoy said:

Keep him as a backup next year for 6mill?  If we dump him we get hit with a 8.6mill dead cap hit.

 

I'm not a huge Tyrod fan as a starter but he would be one of the top backups in the league.

diff in keeping vs trading is:

 

if done in the two day window from Mar 14 and 15 and if TT signs with other team for at least 1 mill a year(very likely) his dead cap is 7.6 otherwise if he sits out or retires it is 8.6 mill

If trade: 2017 dead cap approx 7.6 mill

If keep: 2017 cap hit 18 mill

 

So he is effectively a 10.4 mill contract for 2018.

Looks like if they keep him for 2018 his contract auto voids at end of year and Bills then hit with 5.56 mill in dead cap in 2019.

If he is traded or released after 6-1-18 it pushes some of the dead cap into 2019:

                       2019 Dead Cap: $5,560,000

 

http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/buffalo-bills/tyrod-taylor-7899/ hit the little red X at far right on year 2018 for details.

[Hapless Bills Fan]

2 hours ago, Thurman#1 said:

Seriously? Is that an actual question? Why wouldn't another team give an honest answer now about what they'll give after the bonus is due?

Same reason you don't show your cards in poker before you bet. And especially not halfway through a betting round when the next guy to pay or fold is your opponent.

 

There is a substantial difference between defeating an opponent in poker, and working out a trade.

 

The point of a trade is to find common ground and identify a deal that is beneficial to both parties, such that both parties freely agree.  Now your trade partner may keep some information close to their vest - they're under no obligation to tell you what other deals they're being offered or considering - but it's in their interest to tell you what they're willing to offer up-front.

 

[ColoradoBills]

8 minutes ago, PeterGriffin said:

If Cleveland drafts a QB and they throw the year away having him sit and learn, they don't need TT because they wouldn't care how good/bad the QB played knowing who would be taking over the next year. 

 

IMO if the Browns draft a QB that QB is starting right away. 

 

Cleveland has thrown young QBs to the wolves too many times.

Starting from Game#1 with a rookie on a 1-31 team may not be the way they want to go.

Start TT for a minimum of 10 games and let the young guy get his "sea legs".

The rookie could always start the last 4 or so games of the year.

[Hapless Bills Fan]

1 hour ago, John from Hemet said:

Given that we traded away Marcel for a late pick I dont think we should expect much......its a salary/cap dump

 

Dareus had reached the point of contributing as a part time DLman, while being paid as a 3-down starter.    He was partly a salary/cap dump, and partly (probably) an attitude adjustment.  Your highest paid guy has to lead by example, have his engine revved up and give 100% all the time.   Marcel was well liked but there were stories about falling asleep in meeting rooms and half-assing practice.  So yeah, late pick and here, you pay his salary.

 

Tyrod Taylor is a different story.  He's being paid as a lower mid-range starter (#20-ish in the league) and that's about where he is in terms of every metric but passing yards, so his value per salary is more in range.

 

That doesn't mean I think we'll find a trade partner, but then I didn't think the Chiefs would succeed in trading Alex Smith.

 

 

[co_springs_billsfan]

4 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

I think this.

 

But then I also thought that teams would wait for KC to release Smith in a cap move, not trade a 3rd round pick AND a starting DB for him, then sign him to a huge contract.

 

Not saying Tyrod = Smith, just saying that if the QB market is so tight that a team is willing to pay a relative ransom for Smith, Tyrod might have more value than we as fans perceive.

 

I agree.  Tyrod's TD/INT efficiency coupled with a relatively inexpensive contract (for a non-rookie) has more value to a QB desperate team than most would expect.  Part of what makes this offseason so much fun is waiting for this situation to work itself out.

 

[YoloinOhio]

25 minutes ago, PeterGriffin said:

If Cleveland drafts a QB and they throw the year away having him sit and learn, they don't need TT because they wouldn't care how good/bad the QB played knowing who would be taking over the next year. 

 

IMO if the Browns draft a QB that QB is starting right away. 

After what happened last year with Kizer, Darnold’s inexperience (less than 2 full seasons of cfb) and Dorsey’s comments about winning now I will be shocked if they throw him in there. A lot of it has to do with the team around him also being young and inexperienced.

Edited February 15, 2018 by YoloinOhio

[transplantbillsfan]

Well duuuhhhhh....

 

someone actually needed to report this?

[YoloinOhio]

19 minutes ago, transplantbillsfan said:

Well duuuhhhhh....

 

someone actually needed to report this?

Sounds like it is news to a few people who don’t think they will pay his bonus 

[transplantbillsfan]

On ‎11‎/‎19‎/‎2017 at 7:32 AM, The juice said:

On #Bills QB Tyrod Taylor: Do not assume they decline Taylor's $6M option in 2018 and move on. His salary is manageable and they believe he'll have trade value, I'm told. Expect them to explore that market before making any moves.

 

I mean... really people... of course the Bills are going to explore trade options for Taylor.  March 17th isn't the definitive date we know whether Taylor remains a Bill in 2018.  It's after the draft.  I anticipate the Bills are considering packages they can put together to trade up into the top 5 so they can land Mayfield/Darnold/Rosen and I expect the Bills would like to make Taylor part of that package in order to keep draft picks while the leap up to draft the guy to replace him.

 

It's amazing this has to be reported considering how obvious it is that a team would be exploring all options in the offseason   

[transplantbillsfan]

On ‎11‎/‎19‎/‎2017 at 7:38 AM, OldTimeAFLGuy said:

...FWIW, two things stand out in my mind that would negate any trade value for TT.....first Dennison and his rigid game plans (with I believe there were 2 exceptions) has pretty much telegraphed he's given up on TT period...and of course the "switch" is here........secondly, I believe there is a minor issue of a $6 mil roster bonus due March 1.....add those up and I think 31 GM's league wide would wait for his release versus ponying up a pick if interested..

 

I think it's March 16th... but it sounds like the Bills are considering keeping him, paying him the bonus, and continuing to explore trade options approaching draft time, likely in an effort to move up in the draft to get a QB.

 

Once the Bills pay him the $6million bonus, other teams are not liable for that money.