John from Riverside Posted November 6, 2017 Share Posted November 6, 2017 14 minutes ago, jmc12290 said: Because those people acted like jerks? Not a excuse.....and your acting like a jerk 90 percent of the time on this board so you getting what you give. People dont have to be held down to opinions they have on players or the team. 5 minutes ago, Stank_Nasty said: the problem is we have only been rushing four and getting no pressure. I think if the other guys were getting home people woudnt be so unhappy but the lack of pressure has made his lack of pass rush ability a bit more of a liability. I think he'd be way better off and better appreciated in a scheme that didn't rely so heavily on just their front four for pressure. I have actually seen some situations where McD has sent a extra blitzer that is not getting there.......which in itself is a disturbing thing. The pass rush thing is definately a problem...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Barbarian Posted November 6, 2017 Share Posted November 6, 2017 10 hours ago, MiltonWaddams said: Shaq was never, ever drafted as a pass rusher. He is a run-stuffing DE and a very good one at that. You are ill-informed if you believe or think otherwise. Was he not a OLB in Rex's 34, which would make him a pass rusher. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boyst Posted November 6, 2017 Share Posted November 6, 2017 44 minutes ago, John from Hemet said: Why is it you feel the need to pull posts back up and throw them in peoples faces? People have opinions...opinions can change with time. Who are you to judge? If anyone needs to be called out for this, you're the last one who can say anything. You die by the sword for every watered down Kool aid Buffalo Bills nonsense available. If you don't want it thrown in your face don't say it and be wrong. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QCity Posted November 6, 2017 Share Posted November 6, 2017 Right now the correct term is "overdrafted." If he doesn't develop though.... What a great opportunity to test the new board's archives. Let's see what TBD was saying on draft day. RD 1, Pick 19: DE Shaq Lawson, Clemson University Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wayne Arnold Posted November 6, 2017 Share Posted November 6, 2017 1 hour ago, jmc12290 said: Because those people acted like jerks? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LABILLBACKER Posted November 6, 2017 Share Posted November 6, 2017 7 hours ago, H2o said: Shaq is basically a rookie. The thing he excels at in this point in time is setting the edge and playing the run really well. He wasn't drafted to be Von Miller. He will get you 8-10 sacks a year while being stout against the run though. That is far from a bust imo. Shaq will never hit 8 sacks in a season. It's not happening. Right now 100% of the sack responsibility will be on 55. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted November 6, 2017 Share Posted November 6, 2017 I'm in the overdrafted camp. All teams need good solid players like him. He's definitely not a bust. Your number one pick needs to be a playmaker. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CommonCents Posted November 6, 2017 Share Posted November 6, 2017 "Sets the edge" Lets see a raise of hands of folks that would pick up the 5th year option for Shaq. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canadian Bills Fan Posted November 6, 2017 Share Posted November 6, 2017 I really like what Shaq has brought to the Bills and think he will be a great player for us CBF Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCal Deek Posted November 6, 2017 Share Posted November 6, 2017 I'm not sure about 'bust' but a good measure would be to compare him to other 2016 First Rounders and tell me whether Shaq is more or less heard from. Having just done that I'd say he's definitely in the bottom third of his peer group. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Straight Hucklebuck Posted November 6, 2017 Share Posted November 6, 2017 (edited) I don't think he is a flat out bust. But he profiles closer to what his Scouting Reports said - Courtney Upshaw with 5-8 sack range, verses a player like Joey Bosa, Vic Beasley, Von Miller, Justin Houston mold. Edited November 6, 2017 by Straight Hucklebuck Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BADOLBILZ Posted November 6, 2017 Share Posted November 6, 2017 1 hour ago, Commonsense said: "Sets the edge" Lets see a raise of hands of folks that would pick up the 5th year option for Shaq. And the basis for that decision will be what they know 14 months from now...........it's not some far off decision and the clock is ticking. If Benjamins option was $8M I guess Shaq's will be about $10M for year 5. That's a lot for a non-pass rushing DL. 1 hour ago, Straight Hucklebuck said: I don't think he is a flat out bust. But he profiles closer to what his Scouting Reports said - Courtney Upshaw with 5-8 sack range, verses a player like Joey Bosa, Vic Beasley, Von Miller, Justin Houston mold. My take on draft day was that he would fall somewhere between Upshaw and Melvin Ingram for floor/ceiling. As I said then, even if he eventually grew into a player like Ingram it's a tough call........because Ingram developed slowly and didn't really round into a really good player until late in his contract. Basically in time to get overpaid. But right now Shaq is many miles from Ingram. As for Courtney Upshaw.....that's the closer comparison and Upshaw is like an extra offensive tackle on pass plays........he will be lucky to get 8 sacks in his CAREER.......he's six years in and has 6 sacks total. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackOrton Posted November 6, 2017 Share Posted November 6, 2017 4 hours ago, Wayne Arnold said: Don't play in the mud if you don't wanna get dirty baby! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gray Beard Posted November 6, 2017 Share Posted November 6, 2017 Has anyone else noticed that he lines up offside a lot, but it doesn't get called? Possibly over drafted, possibly still trying to find his strengths in the NFL, probably too early to tell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted November 6, 2017 Share Posted November 6, 2017 Just now, just a guy said: Has anyone else noticed that he lines up offside a lot, but it doesn't get called? Possibly over drafted, possibly still trying to find his strengths in the NFL, probably too early to tell. Actually, several times a game I turn to my son and say “his helmet is in the neutral zone...again.” I thought it was just me seeing it wrong since he gets away with it so often. Sometimes you have a perfect view, and it seems indisputable. . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vincec Posted November 7, 2017 Share Posted November 7, 2017 (edited) 9 hours ago, Happy Gilmore said: Whaley drafted for Wreck's defensive philosophy. That said, I don't think Shaq is a bust, but a situational DE. Agree. I actually think Lawson would be a good 3-4 DE where he has less rush responsibility than he does now. Lawson and Washington at DE, Ragland at Sam. Mr Bug Stuff / Worthy at NT. Hughes and Alexander at OLB. You can start to see where things were headed. Now I can actually see Lawson following Ragland out the door for another low round pick. Doesn’t really fit. Edited November 7, 2017 by vincec 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JaCrispy Posted November 7, 2017 Share Posted November 7, 2017 (edited) 41 minutes ago, just a guy said: Has anyone else noticed that he lines up offside a lot, but it doesn't get called? Possibly over drafted, possibly still trying to find his strengths in the NFL, probably too early to tell. I've seen this on more than one occasion... he is also usually the last one off the ball...if the best we can expect if shaq is containing the edge on run plays, he likely will not see a second contract in buffalo imo Edited November 7, 2017 by JaCrispy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BADOLBILZ Posted November 7, 2017 Share Posted November 7, 2017 7 hours ago, Boyst62 said: I'll see you one higher. I imagine him traded to a 34 team. He would get a 4th round pick. First day of free agency is haul him out for a 4th. I don't know how many more hits they can withstand on the DL. KW and Hughes could very well be gone this offseason as well and you never know what dumshit Adolphus can get himself into (if I had to guess....maybe he brandishes a weapon in presence of a transvestite hooker in his hotel room in San Diego where Ohio State is playing in the Holiday Bowl). I hope they try Shaq inside if he doesn't miraculously find the pass rusher within. Bankrupting your DL is generally no good. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott7975 Posted November 7, 2017 Share Posted November 7, 2017 (edited) Doug Whaley: Quote Earlier in the night, Whaley added: "He walks in as a Day One starter, opposite Jerry Hughes. He can set the edge from the outside, he can rush speed-to-power, and that gives us two nice rushers off the edge. Quote We expect Shaq Lawson to come in and take over for Mario Williams Again, I don't think the guy is a bust, but they definitely pictured him as a pass rusher not just an edge setter. The guy was over drafted and you don't use your top draft pick just to set the edge on rushing plays. Edited November 7, 2017 by Scott7975 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BADOLBILZ Posted November 7, 2017 Share Posted November 7, 2017 (edited) 21 minutes ago, vincec said: Agree. I actually think Lawson would be a good 3-4 DE where he has less rush responsibility than he does now. Lawson and Washington at DE, Ragland at Sam. Mr Bug Stuff / Worthy at NT. Hughes and Alexander at OLB. You can start to see where things were headed. Now I can actually see Lawson following Ragland out the door for another low round pick. Doesn’t really fit. I think ideally you want a longer athlete at DE in the 3-4. Alex Carrington comes to mind. Don't really buy the whole "Shaq was drafted to be a run-stuffing DE" narrative........Rex drafted him to be an immediate starter at strong side OLB and that's where he put him.......that position rushes the passer some in Rex Scheme.........maybe he subliminally drafted him to play 3-4 DE? Edited November 7, 2017 by BADOLBILZ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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