Kirby Jackson Posted November 3, 2017 Share Posted November 3, 2017 Taylor has gone through 3 OC's and I don't remember any of them letting him audible out of plays. I think it has more to do with Taylor not being able to read what the defense is doing and conveying the audible to the offense.Thats fine if that is your opinion. I tend to think that its a guy calling plays for the first time that trust himself more than anyone else. I am pretty sure that they dont let Wood make checks either. At the same time you went through an entire paragraph of blaming a guy for something that is the coaches issue. He didnt check out because he is told to run the play that they sent in. If you have an issue with the play it falls to Rico. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave mcbride Posted November 3, 2017 Share Posted November 3, 2017 Thats fine if that is your opinion. I tend to think that its a guy calling plays for the first time that trust himself more than anyone else. I am pretty sure that they dont let Wood make checks either. At the same time you went through an entire paragraph of blaming a guy for something that is the coaches issue. He didnt check out because he is told to run the play that they sent in. If you have an issue with the play it falls to Rico. 100 percent correct. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Call_Of_Ktulu Posted November 3, 2017 Share Posted November 3, 2017 (edited) Denison runs a version of a west coast offense that incorporate's rollouts and moving the QB around. I don't think a west coast offense fits any offense that has a QB that is limited or not confident in his own passing abilities. You need to pass the ball into some tight windows and place it so your WR's can get YAC. This west coast offense is the opposite of what Taylor does as a passer. I can already see the Jay Cutler syndrome starting to set in. We will go through two more OC's with the thinking that it can't possibly be the QB's fault. Our QB can throw a football through a brick wall and has good mobility, it can't possibly be him, let's go through 2 more OC's just to make sure. Edited November 3, 2017 by Call_Of_Ktulu Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave mcbride Posted November 3, 2017 Share Posted November 3, 2017 (edited) Denison runs a version of a west coast offense that incorporate's rollouts and moving the QB around. I don't think a west coast offense fits any offense that has a QB that is limited or not confident in his own passing abilities. You need to pass the ball into some tight windows and place it so your WR's can get YAC. This west coast offense is the opposite of what Taylor does as a passer. I can already see the Jay Cutler syndrome starting to set in. We will go through two more OC's with the thinking that it can't possibly be the QB's fault. Our QB can throw a football through a brick wall and has good mobility, it can't possibly be him, let's got through 2 more OC's just to make sure. He had plenty of completions on intermediate throws last night before garbage time, and many of those were in tight windows. Plus his completion rate was very high. The jailbreaks, fumbles and running game failures doomed the offense. Edited November 3, 2017 by dave mcbride Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Comebackkid Posted November 3, 2017 Share Posted November 3, 2017 On top of a lackluster performance by just about the entire team, the coaching sucked big time. Both this game and the Panthers game was bogged down by trying to hard to run the ball. When we where finally forced to throw the ball and be aggressive we started moving down the field. It was obvious early the running game was going no where. Yet they gave up down after down trying to run against the Jets strength. Bad game plan, bad execution all around. Zero adjustment on O or D. During the game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted November 3, 2017 Share Posted November 3, 2017 You should have watched the Bills game last night. There is not a reasonable, knowledgeable, football fan alive that watched that game and came out thinking, if we only had a QB tonight. The coaching and line play were as bad as I can remember (and they turned it over 3 times). Actually, if the QB had been anybody BUT Tyrod, we may have seen a new NFL record for the most sacks in a game. It was that bad... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted November 3, 2017 Share Posted November 3, 2017 Actually, if the QB had been anybody BUT Tyrod, we may have seen a new NFL record for the most sacks in a game. It was that bad...I said the same thing last night. That was an all-time awful performance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave mcbride Posted November 3, 2017 Share Posted November 3, 2017 Actually, if the QB had been anybody BUT Tyrod, we may have seen a new NFL record for the most sacks in a game. It was that bad... Agreed - he actually escaped 2 or 3 that would have brought down any other QB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HappyDays Posted November 3, 2017 Share Posted November 3, 2017 On top of a lackluster performance by just about the entire team, the coaching sucked big time. Both this game and the Panthers game was bogged down by trying to hard to run the ball. When we where finally forced to throw the ball and be aggressive we started moving down the field. It was obvious early the running game was going no where. Yet they gave up down after down trying to run against the Jets strength. Bad game plan, bad execution all around. Zero adjustment on O or D. During the game. Wilkerson played and Claiborne didnt. We should have kept passing the ball especially after halftime when it was clear Shady was injured. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coach Tuesday Posted November 3, 2017 Share Posted November 3, 2017 Actually, if the QB had been anybody BUT Tyrod, we may have seen a new NFL record for the most sacks in a game. It was that bad... Carson Palmer would've been ground into a paste behind that line last night. They need to get their sh__ together. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sweats Posted November 3, 2017 Share Posted November 3, 2017 I say this thread isn't official. Didn't file paperwork in time. I didn't get the memo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mannc Posted November 3, 2017 Share Posted November 3, 2017 Taylor has gone through 3 OC's and I don't remember any of them letting him audible out of plays. I think it has more to do with Taylor not being able to read what the defense is doing and conveying the audible to the offense. Of course you do. Please take your crusade and go home. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted November 3, 2017 Share Posted November 3, 2017 Taylor has gone through 3 OC's and I don't remember any of them letting him audible out of plays. I think it has more to do with Taylor not being able to read what the defense is doing and conveying the audible to the offense. No it is anything But Taylor don't you know that already Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted November 3, 2017 Share Posted November 3, 2017 No it is anything But Taylor don't you know that alreadyMajBobby, Im surprised to see this from you because you know football. In general the people that always fall back to QB have a lack of understanding. Its like that old saying about people swear because of their limited vocabulary. Thats pretty much what happens when it comes to discussing the QB. People that dont recognize anything else just fall back to that. They are the kind of people that call WGR. If anyone watched that game last night and left thinking is was Tyrods fault they are clueless. That game yesterday was a combination of coaching and line play. It was decided at the LOS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted November 3, 2017 Share Posted November 3, 2017 MajBobby, Im surprised to see this from you because you know football. In general the people that always fall back to QB have a lack of understanding. Its like that old saying about people swear because of their limited vocabulary. Thats pretty much what happens when it comes to discussing the QB. People that dont recognize anything else just fall back to that. They are the kind of people that call WGR. If anyone watched that game last night and left thinking is was Tyrods fault they are clueless. That game yesterday was a combination of coaching and line play. It was decided at the LOS. No it was a combination of a lot, and one of those things IS TT and sorry people just do NOT want to accept this team STILL needs a QB. Some of the sacks don't happen is the ball comes out on time. Plays left on the field yet again The flaws of a QB cant be hid every game, so far this year the Bills have done a good job of hiding them, then last night happened. At no point am I calling for Peterman, TT still gives us the best chance to win, however I will call a spade a spade, and you cannot constantly put blame on an OL, WRs, OC over and over and over again without looking at the QB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LABILLBACKER Posted November 3, 2017 Share Posted November 3, 2017 I need to saty off this board after a loss. Tyrod cannot function in a 3 step timing offense, did none of yall watch the first 5 games? Completely agree. Why can't Dennison see this. Stop the 3 step drop. 5 step, shotgun or quick slants. We don't have enough oline talent to protect TT. As every talk show host said this morning TT AND the Bills are not built to come from behind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nihilarian Posted November 3, 2017 Share Posted November 3, 2017 You can't fire the play caller for execution. His 3rd qrtr play calling was bad but the 1st half was on execution I disagree. When the defense is always rushing more than you have in blocking then adjustments should have been made by the coaches. Simple things like keeping more into block and quick slant/outs pass plays to help keep the QB from being overwhelmed. Granted the penalties and drops were on the players. The bigger issue in my view was the offensive game plan and play calling. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Big Cat Posted November 3, 2017 Share Posted November 3, 2017 That would be fine and good if the aforementioned OC allowed the players to make checks at the LOS. https://www./billswire.usatoday.com/2017/09/22/buffalo-bills-tyrod-taylor-rick-dennison-audibles-nfl/amp/ Otherwise back to your regularly scheduled crusade... Taylor has gone through 3 OC's and I don't remember any of them letting him audible out of plays. I think it has more to do with Taylor not being able to read what the defense is doing and conveying the audible to the offense. I don't altogether buy this notion we keep hearing about our quarterbacks being prohibited from changing plays. But let's for a moment accept it as truth. If the OC doesn't trust a quarterback to read and change the play after 40 NFL starts, then he's not good enough to be the quarterback. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted November 3, 2017 Share Posted November 3, 2017 (edited) No it was a combination of a lot, and one of those things IS TT and sorry people just do NOT want to accept this team STILL needs a QB. Some of the sacks don't happen is the ball comes out on time. Plays left on the field yet again The flaws of a QB cant be hid every game, so far this year the Bills have done a good job of hiding them, then last night happened. At no point am I calling for Peterman, TT still gives us the best chance to win, however I will call a spade a spade, and you cannot constantly put blame on an OL, WRs, OC over and over and over again without looking at the QB Which sacks are we pinning on him? There was one that he appeared to pump but the ball got slapped on the replay. Thats why it was pulled down. I dont see another sack that I remember that falls on him. You are blaming the guy that completed 72% of his passes and ended up with a QB rating at like 108 or something. Even his QBR was above average in a game that they were blown out in. Thats a stat that weighs game situations and he still finished above average despite a blowout. I don't altogether buy this notion we keep hearing about our quarterbacks being prohibited from changing plays. But let's for a moment accept it as truth. If the OC doesn't trust a quarterback to read and change the play after 40 NFL starts, then he's not good enough to be the quarterback. Or its a function of a coach who doesnt let them do it. Please find attached Dennisons mentor & his QB that couldnt call an audible: https://www.profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/09/30/kubiak-schaub-couldnt-audible-out-of-very-very-poor-play/amp/ Edited November 3, 2017 by Kirby Jackson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted November 3, 2017 Share Posted November 3, 2017 Which sacks are we pinning on him? There was one that he appeared to pump but the ball got slapped on the replay. Thats why it was pulled down. I dont see another sack that I remember that falls on him. You are blaming the guy that completed 72% of his passes and ended up with a QB rating at like 108 or something. Even his QBR was above average in a game that they were blown out in. Thats a stat that weighs game situations and he still finished above average despite a blowout. Three of the 7 at least where on three step concepts that the Ball never comes out at the top of the drop because he doesn't trust what he sees. Romo even pointed it out over and over again. But again, yep TT shares no blame and cool I could give two craps about a completion % on a QB that refuses to make NFL throws, and a rating pumped by garbage time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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