Denver Gift

[Manther]

Denver was undefeated, just trounced the Cowboys, everyone was sucking off their QB and saying they had the best defense in the league. After the Bills beat them they aren't a tough team and probably won't make the playoffs? But of course if they beat the Bills they would still be undefeated, leading the division, a lock for the playoffs and one of the best teams in the AFC with an incredible rookie HC. Very few people thought the Bills would even compete this week and they handled them with relative ease and people downplay it. Crazy.

Also, the Bills were a 3 point dog at home which every knows if they played at Denver they would have been 7 point dogs, about the same as they are to the Falcons.

Denver is a good team and it was a great win, regardless what happens next week.

All true!

 

The OP seems to be unable to enjoy things and/or understand reality.

 

If the OP really feels that way he shouldn't watch football or sport.

[davefan66]

Very happy about the outcome of the game. But Denver really screwed up.

 

 

• Failed fake punt - dumb
• Interception #1 - awful
• Interception #2 - even worse
• Von Miller penalty - freebie from the zebra

I liked the outcome because normally we are the ones doing dumb things or not getting calls. But have you seen two worse interceptions than the ones Trevor Siemian made? That was sandlot worthy. Who does a fake punt in that situation? The Miller penalty was a no call. I also doubt that when the winds start blowing we are going to see two 53+ yard field goals again.

 

Good coaches like the Hoodie and QB's like Matt Ryan and Tom Brady do not make those kind of mistakes. Need to see more before buying Super Bowl tickets.

 

Sincerely,

Debbie Downer

1. Fake punt was a good call. Short distance, direct snap to back at a time I thought was somehpwhat unexpected.

2. Interception 1. Good pressure by D.

3. Interception 2. See interception 1.

4. Miller Penalty. Yeah, goofy call but honestly I get it. Should it have been called, no. Just stop listening to the retired refs being paid by the networks, if it didn’t get called they’d probably say it should have been. Anyways, we get bad calls against us all the time. Think a few Sunday were very questionable. One of the PI’s was BS as the WR was still being jammed within the 5 yards. Out of bounds call could go either way, seen much worse not get called.

 

We won the game because we kept playing, and played smart. Tyrod made plays with his arm and legs, defense was spectacular. Gave up more yards than necessary, but those were on a few long plays and we clamped down after them. Great team win.

[Punching Bag]

Don't forget the great special teams including recognizing on field that it might be a fake punt and multiple long kicks.

[Scott7975]

 

Robey's phantom PI call against Jacksonville and Hughes getting a 15 yard penalty for smacking his own teammates helmet after a sack come to mind...

Why not, he did this past week against the Lions...

 

you want to talk about luck? Atlanta's lucky they aren't 1-2...Should have lost opening day at Chicago and Lions got a raw deal when they overturned Tate's last second TD and ruled him down at the half yard line this past week.

 

And I guess New England wasn't lucky when that Texans safety dropped a picked when he landed on the ground right before Brady threw that TD to win it...nope...nothing "lucky" about that...Brady must have put some type of super spin on the ball where only his player knew how to catch it right??

 

It is so irritating when people try so hard to act like no other team in the NFL EVER has anything "lucky" happen to them...as if the Bills are the ONLY team to be beneficieries of a player not playing well or making a bad throw.

Ill add in 2 patriots games all but won. Just had to receive punt and run the clock out. McKelvin fumbles punt.

Edited September 26, 2017 by Scott7975

[Bills Pimpin']

The fake punt wasn't dumb, not at all.

 

 

 

But nah, the INTs were just poor performances from Siemian. It's not like the rushes were from the blindside or something. The first should never have been thrown and the second should have been thrown five yards further, out of bounds. We got very lucky with Siemian's bad decisions there. The Bills pressure helped create the plays, but if that had been Tyrod (or Jim Kelly for that matter) we'd correctly have been yelling at him for poor decision-making.

 

Those bad decisions weren't so much forced as simply made.

 

 

 

 

Equally, it's irritating when people try so hard to mis-state what people say.

 

He didn't say good luck never happens to other teams. Didn't imply it in any way, that's you creating poor logic when there's none in the post.

 

Just because good luck happens to all teams doesn't mean it shouldn't be pointed out when it happens. We really did get lucky.

 

Having said that, we could still have lost the game, screwing it up and throwing it away. And we didn't. We played a reasonably mistake-free game. And as many here have said, that's a very good thing. Still got very lucky, though.

IMO you can't ever use the word luck when analyzing QB play. Sure you can argue the talents of Siemian and his performance. You can certainly say his picks were simply bad plays by him and give no credit to the Bills defense. You can completely ignore the fact that in many football games a great defense forces even great QB's into bad decisions late in games due to desperation and fatigue. You can downplay the ball skills of the Bills DB's. You can imply that the scheme put in by the DC, who is a former head coach, had nothing to do with the picks. But you can not call it luck. Luck is flipping a coin. Luck is playing the lottery. The outcome of this game and the picks that secured it is plain and simply not luck.

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

Good news, instead of pointing out a few plays that would have led to a win if they happened differently... you get to do it for the opposing team👍

[Nanker]

If you really think about it, it's an embarrassing win.

 

 

Yes, I feel ashamed.

 

Nothing says, "you're terrible" more than winning in the NFL. Winning that game cost us at least three Draft positions. You can't win in The Draft if you keep winning games.

What's next - meaningful games after Thanksgiving? What is this world coming to?

[KDIGGZ]

So before the game you predicted Denver would dominate us. Now that we beat them Denver is a bunch of nobodies and we are all crazy for thinking Denver was good.

I predicted a score of 23-17 Denver so not dominating us, I just had a complete lack of faith in our offense. Never did I think Denver was some kind of great team. They are wild card hopefulls. Their ceiling is 10 wins but they are probably going to have 8-9. They don't have a QB and you can't win in this league without one. Like I said, beat a tough team with a QB like Atlanta and then we can talk. To do so we need a completely different offense to show up. We might have a good D but Matt Ryan tears up zone defenses. If we won a game like that I would gladly eat some crow

[Scott7975]

I predicted a score of 23-17 Denver so not dominating us, I just had a complete lack of faith in our offense. Never did I think Denver was some kind of great team. They are wild card hopefulls. Their ceiling is 10 wins but they are probably going to have 8-9. They don't have a QB and you can't win in this league without one. Like I said, beat a tough team with a QB like Atlanta and then we can talk. To do so we need a completely different offense to show up. We might have a good D but Matt Ryan tears up zone defenses. If we won a game like that I would gladly eat some crow

23-13 Broncos dominate, game not as close as score suggests

Ok

[KDIGGZ]

Ok

I guess I made multiple predictions because I was saying 23-17 on gameday when we were watching and I must have typed that earlier in the week. But yea I figured we wouldn't get anything going on offense and i was partially right. Our run offense has been a joke. Tyrod played well but hardly set the world on fire with his 200 yards. Lucky for us the Denver offense was even worse. Good play by our D. They are much better than I thought they would be so far. If they beat a team like Atlanta or even held them to under 20 points I would believe that we are on to something. I still believe we are only a 6-7 win team

[PromoTheRobot]

When you boil it down, all football games turn on mistakes. Missed blocks, dropped passes, penalties, etc. That's football. Make fewer mistakes and you usually win.

[Scott7975]

I guess I made multiple predictions because I was saying 23-17 on gameday when we were watching and I must have typed that earlier in the week. But yea I figured we wouldn't get anything going on offense and i was partially right. Our run offense has been a joke. Tyrod played well but hardly set the world on fire with his 200 yards. Lucky for us the Denver offense was even worse. Good play by our D. They are much better than I thought they would be so far. If they beat a team like Atlanta or even held them to under 20 points I would believe that we are on to something. I still believe we are only a 6-7 win team

It's all good. Tough to have an opinion right now other than that. I don't see us beating Atlanta but even if we don't we could still go on to having a good season.

[YoloinOhio]

When you boil it down, all football games turn on mistakes. Missed blocks, dropped passes, penalties, etc. That's football. Make fewer mistakes and you usually win.

in th NFL, yes. In college there can sometimes be such a talent disparity that a team can play like **** and still won because they have better players and more depth by a huge margin. In the NFL, it's not like that even with say the Pats vs Browns. Every team has "enough" talent to beat anyone else if the better team makes mistakes, penalties, turnovers.

[JM2009]

 

In my original post, I tried not to focus on the Bills performance, rather on how BAD the Broncos played and how BAD they were coached. But we weren't that good. We really never got the running or passing game going. The ricochet TD was total fluke luck. Can't pay that way against good teams with all the freebies the Broncos gave us. We got a gift. They don't give out a lot of gifts in the NFL. Let's see if Ryan throws three INT's this week. Doubtful.

 

You are trolling. Must be someone that got banned.

I predicted a score of 23-17 Denver so not dominating us, I just had a complete lack of faith in our offense. Never did I think Denver was some kind of great team. They are wild card hopefulls. Their ceiling is 10 wins but they are probably going to have 8-9. They don't have a QB and you can't win in this league without one. Like I said, beat a tough team with a QB like Atlanta and then we can talk. To do so we need a completely different offense to show up. We might have a good D but Matt Ryan tears up zone defenses. If we won a game like that I would gladly eat some crow

Most teams would lose in Atlanta, so the Bills probably will, so your agenda against TT and the offense will continue next week. You are chomping at the bit.

[teef]

meh. i'll take a win for this team any way it comes.

[KDIGGZ]

Most teams would lose in Atlanta, so the Bills probably will, so your agenda against TT and the offense will continue next week. You are chomping at the bit.

no agenda here. the OP suggests we should eat crow because we beat a Denver team that probably won't even make the playoffs. lets see how well we do against a good team now

[PromoTheRobot]

no agenda here. the OP suggests we should eat crow because we beat a Denver team that probably won't even make the playoffs. lets see how well we do against a good team now

If we beat Atlanta will they suck too?

[mannc]

no agenda here. the OP suggests we should eat crow because we beat a Denver team that probably won't even make the playoffs. lets see how well we do against a good team now

No, we're suggesting you should eat crow because before Sunday's game, you and others were talking about how great Denver was, how they would dominate the Bills in Orchard Park, and that Tyrod would be lucky to get out of the game alive. When pretty much the opposite happened, you changed your tune to "Denver actually sucks, the Bills haven't beaten anyone yet, Tyrod only threw for 200 yards (even though Dennison stopped calling pass plays for the last quarter of the game)." I'm looking forward to the excuses after we beat Atlanta.

 

It's incredible how invested some Bills "fans" are in the failure of the team, and of Tyrod in particular. Not sure how to explain it.

If we beat Atlanta will they suck too?

Yes. By definition, if we beat a team, then they suck. It means never having to eat crow.

[KDIGGZ]

If we beat Atlanta will they suck too?

nope they are really good. and we are going to get killed. if we beat them THEN open a thread about eating crow. until then we are still a 6-7 win team and every win get us farther and farther away from getting a QB

[mannc]

nope they are really good. and we are going to get killed. if we beat them THEN open a thread about eating crow. until then we are still a 6-7 win team and every win get us farther and farther away from getting a QB

Pathetic

[KDIGGZ]

Pathetic

please tell me you think we are going to win this week. i bet you thought Fitz and EJ were going to win us the Super Bowl too. now that is "pathetic"

[Jobot]

Don't forget we were leading during this time, and it's unfair to assume our D that had been playing stellar would have given up the lead...

Agreed that Denver made a bunch of mental mistakes, and apart from Miller's unsportmanlike penalty, the reason teams make these mistakes is the other team forces them into it.

[Bills Pimpin']

please tell me you think we are going to win this week. i bet you thought Fitz and EJ were going to win us the Super Bowl too. now that is "pathetic"

It doesn't matter if the Bills win or not. If Ryan throws 2 picks it's because he had a bad game. If Shady has 120 yards it's because Atlanta's run defense sucks. If they win 12-7 their offense still sucks. If Atlanta misses a game winning field goal then it doesn't count as a good win. You will find something to defend your negative prognosis. If they lose you can say you were right. And they are 8 point dogs so you can crow next Monday. It's really pathetic.

[Alphadawg7]

I can't wait for the list of reasons of why the Falcons aren't really that good and why its not a quality win after we beat them next week. Every single team we beat I fully expect a thread on why it means nothing, the Bills got lucky, and why that team isn't as good as people think simply because the Bills beat them.

 

And yes, I said that with a straight face...we will beat the Falcons next week 31-23

 

ZJ knucklehead moment end of game 2 really pisses me off even more right now by the way as we should be 3-0 going into the Falcon game. I am not even that mad that he didn't come down with the catch, I am pissed his unforced sloppy route and late look for the ball is what pissed me off the most as thats the only reason it was even a tough catch in the first place. Should have been in position to catch that and walk into the end zone untouched.

Edited September 26, 2017 by Alphadawg7

[CodeMonkey]

Very happy about the outcome of the game. But Denver really screwed up.

 

1. Failed fake punt - dumb
2. Interception #1 - awful
3. Interception #2 - even worse
4. Von Miller penalty - freebie from the zebra

 

I liked the outcome because normally we are the ones doing dumb things or not getting calls. But have you seen two worse interceptions than the ones Trevor Siemian made? That was sandlot worthy. Who does a fake punt in that situation? The Miller penalty was a no call. I also doubt that when the winds start blowing we are going to see two 53+ yard field goals again.

 

Good coaches like the Hoodie and QB's like Matt Ryan and Tom Brady do not make those kind of mistakes. Need to see more before buying Super Bowl tickets.

 

Sincerely,

Debbie Downer

Essentially the Bills played steady and with the exception of the clock management by McCoach, they played a relatively mistake free game.

Denver, almost inexplicably, did all the things you noted and handed the game to the Bills on a silver platter. But also to the Bills credit, they gladly accepted every offer of the game and made Denver pay dearly every time they made their huge mistakes.

 

The Bills are still a 8 win team to me. They played well on Sunday but not well enough to change my opinion on that.

If they beat Atlanta away, well that is another matter indeed, As I can't believe the falcons will give the game away at home. The Bills will need to be more than steady this week.

[mannc]

please tell me you think we are going to win this week. i bet you thought Fitz and EJ were going to win us the Super Bowl too. now that is "pathetic"

Yes, i think the Bills will beat the Falcons. The Bills are a hungrier team and are starting to believe in themselves. The Falcons are overrated and their home field advantage is negligible; they are the third most popular football team in the state of Georgia. Bills, 34-31.

 

If I'm going to eat crow, it's going to be because my hopes are too high, not because I like to piss all over my team and its quarterback.

[KDIGGZ]

It doesn't matter if the Bills win or not. If Ryan throws 2 picks it's because he had a bad game. If Shady has 120 yards it's because Atlanta's run defense sucks. If they win 12-7 their offense still sucks. If Atlanta misses a game winning field goal then it doesn't count as a good win. You will find something to defend your negative prognosis. If they lose you can say you were right. And they are 8 point dogs so you can crow next Monday. It's really pathetic.

If our starters beat their starters then I'll eat some crow. Its not going to happen unless Matt Ryan gets hurt and everyone on this board knows it. Same with Pats. We have absolutely zero chance. Its embarrassing. I don't even watch the Pats games. But keep celebrating wins vs the Jets and Broncos, 2 non playoff teams.

Yes, i think the Bills will beat the Falcons. The Bills are a hungrier team and are starting to believe in themselves. The Falcons are overrated and their home field advantage is negligible; they are the third most popular football team in the state of Georgia. Bills, 34-31.

If I'm going to eat crow, it's going to be because my hopes are too high, not because I like to piss all over my team and its quarterback.

You are in for a rude awakening then

[mannc]

You are in for a rude awakening then

Go pound sand. You said the same thing before the Denver game and when the Bills crushed them, you tried to pretend you had not said they would dominate the Bills. Not worth talking to you.

[Alphadawg7]

Go pound sand. You said the same thing before the Denver game and when the Bills crushed them, you tried to pretend you had not said they would dominate the Bills. Not worth talking to you.

 

I feel your frustration, its maddening around here even after a great win. Some people just feel their connection to the Bills is through losing and insist thats the only reality that is possible and will find any thing they can twist to make it so through their eyes.

 

Truth is, we don't know what this team yet, and neither does our players or staff. Everyone is still feeling each other out, including adjusting the gameplan, play calling, etc to the personnel on both sides of the ball. Anyone declaring we will be good or bad the rest of the year is just making a baseless guess, there is a LOT of football left to be played to help reveal what this team currently is. But there is NO DENYING that early results bring reasons to feel optimistic about the direction the team is going.

 

PS: I told everyone all off season that there are a lot of reasons to believe the D will make a big rebound this year, and if it does we will be tough to beat and real contender for the playoffs assuming our Offense didn't drop off much. So far, the D has been substantially better and the offense seems to be developing still and finding its groove, but if it continues to improve and find some balance and consistency, we will be a very tough team moving forward.

Edited September 26, 2017 by Alphadawg7

[KDIGGZ]

Go pound sand. You said the same thing before the Denver game and when the Bills crushed them, you tried to pretend you had not said they would dominate the Bills. Not worth talking to you.

People like you that love the team no matter what is what's holding us back. You seem to be very pleased with a .500 team. I'm not. Anything less than a super bowl title is a failure. If you think we are a super bowl contender then not only are you completely delusional but I'm worried about your sanity. I hope there is someone close to you who can get you some help.

 

I will be here on Monday if you would like to discuss your Atlanta prediction further

[Marv's Neighbor]

If you really think about it, it's an embarrassing win.

Having been thru so many.embarrassing L's, I'll take it!

[Scott7975]

I can't wait for the list of reasons of why the Falcons aren't really that good and why its not a quality win after we beat them next week. Every single team we beat I fully expect a thread on why it means nothing, the Bills got lucky, and why that team isn't as good as people think simply because the Bills beat them.

 

And yes, I said that with a straight face...we will beat the Falcons next week 31-23

 

ZJ knucklehead moment end of game 2 really pisses me off even more right now by the way as we should be 3-0 going into the Falcon game. I am not even that mad that he didn't come down with the catch, I am pissed his unforced sloppy route and late look for the ball is what pissed me off the most as thats the only reason it was even a tough catch in the first place. Should have been in position to catch that and walk into the end zone untouched.

I don't think we win this week but we ha r a shot.

 

But you forgot my favorite classic...next week we will really see what this team is.

Edited September 26, 2017 by Scott7975

[Big Turk]

 

 

 

The fake punt wasn't dumb, not at all.

 

But it was really risky, and it didn't pay off.

 

And yeah, the Von Miller penalty was just awful. Tyrod was cracking up. The flag should never have been thrown. And IMHO if that flag is never thrown, Denver wins, though there's obviously no way to know.

 

 

 

Yeah, the Bills handled the punt really well. They didn't expect it, but were prepared. You have to give them tremendous credit.

 

But nah, the INTs were just poor performances from Siemian. It's not like the rushes were from the blindside or something. The first should never have been thrown and the second should have been thrown five yards further, out of bounds. We got very lucky with Siemian's bad decisions there. The Bills pressure helped create the plays, but if that had been Tyrod (or Jim Kelly for that matter) we'd correctly have been yelling at him for poor decision-making.

 

Those bad decisions weren't so much forced as simply made.

 

 

 

 

Equally, it's irritating when people try so hard to mis-state what people say.

 

He didn't say good luck never happens to other teams. Didn't imply it in any way, that's you creating poor logic when there's none in the post.

 

Just because good luck happens to all teams doesn't mean it shouldn't be pointed out when it happens. We really did get lucky.

 

Having said that, we could still have lost the game, screwing it up and throwing it away. And we didn't. We played a reasonably mistake-free game. And as many here have said, that's a very good thing. Still got very lucky, though.

They did expect he fake punt...they spoke about how they noticed the Broncos had their entire offensive line in there and those guys are never on the punt team.

[HappyDays]

Go pound sand. You said the same thing before the Denver game and when the Bills crushed them, you tried to pretend you had not said they would dominate the Bills. Not worth talking to you.

There are a few posters like this. They whine about how the Bills don't have a chance, then when they win it's all excuses and moral losses. I am not sure how these people call themselves fans.

[Billsmovinup]

Usually a team loses in this league because the losing team makes mistakes that contribute to the winners victory. Last game I remember where each team played pretty much flawlessly was the Bills 49ers no punt game in 92.The Bills just outlasted the 49ers in that one. Normally someone gets smoked by the refs or turnovers or missed passes. The Bills played a very technically sound game Sunday. Thats why they BEAT the Broncos.

[PromoTheRobot]

nope they are really good. and we are going to get killed. if we beat them THEN open a thread about eating crow. until then we are still a 6-7 win team and every win get us farther and farther away from getting a QB

So you would rather bet on past failure than actually look at the team and coaches we have now?

[Herc11]

It's not an embarrassing win at all. These are the kind of things the Bills used to do in years past. We always seemed to make the stupid mistakes and give games away. Good teams don't make the stupid mistakes that lose them game, period.

[mannc]

People like you that love the team no matter what is what's holding us back. You seem to be very pleased with a .500 team. I'm not. Anything less than a super bowl title is a failure. If you think we are a super bowl contender then not only are you completely delusional but I'm worried about your sanity. I hope there is someone close to you who can get you some help.

 

I will be here on Monday if you would like to discuss your Atlanta prediction further

So I'm to blame for the Bills' troubles over the past 17 years. Got it. And what makes you think I'm "very pleased with a .500 team"? Please point to anything I've said that gives you that impression. And when did I say I think the Bills are a Super Bowl contender? You are just flat-out making stuff up, just like you denied saying the Broncos would "dominate" the Bills until another poster went back and pulled up the thread.

 

Here's where I stand: The Bills went 7-8 last year (I don't count the second Jets game) under the worst coach in the NFL, playing with an Arena League-quality WR corps for most of the year, when Sammy and Woods were either out or banged up. I vehemently disagreed with the pre-season doomsaying, that this is a 4-12 team, tanking, etc., and I also believed that we should give McDermott at least a game or two before we decide he does not know what he's doing. In my mind, the only real difference between the Dolphins and Bills last year was coaching, and if we upgraded in that area this year, there is no reason we could not go to the playoffs, like the Dolphins did last year. I also don't buy the idea that there is some massive rebuilding program underway, or that there was a huge exodus of talent in the offseason. Sure, losing Gilmore, Watkins and Gillislie hurt, but there was also an infusion of new talent from the draft, FA and getting a healthy Shaq back to start the year. I also believed (and continue to believe) that Tyrod is capable of improving and that there's a good chance he will still be the Bills' QB beyond this year.

 

I'm sticking by all those beliefs. I think this team goes 10-6 and gets a wild card berth. With a few breaks, I also think this could be the year we knock off New England and win the AFCE. I think their defense makes them vulnerable and I think teams will figure out how to keep them from scoring 35-plus points per game. I think we match up pretty well against them and I think the fact that we don't play them until late in the year works to our advantage.

Edited September 26, 2017 by mannc

[JM2009]

People like you that love the team no matter what is what's holding us back. You seem to be very pleased with a .500 team. I'm not. Anything less than a super bowl title is a failure. If you think we are a super bowl contender then not only are you completely delusional but I'm worried about your sanity. I hope there is someone close to you who can get you some help.

 

I will be here on Monday if you would like to discuss your Atlanta prediction further

And prove what exactly? Most teams would lose in Atlanta. If we can't win in Atlanta that that means the bills suck? Ridiculous thought process here.

[Irv]

All true!

 

The OP seems to be unable to enjoy things and/or understand reality.

 

If the OP really feels that way he shouldn't watch football or sport.

 

You must have thought Team USA was a way better team than the Soviets in 1980 Olympic hockey because the USA won. Gimme a break.