Albwan Posted May 10, 2017 Share Posted May 10, 2017 I don't hate the tank idea but don't love it either. Tyrod is a solid NFL starter and you may get some value if a starter goes down. Bradford brought more than a 1st in camp last year and he had been a worse QB than Tyrod for much of his career. How about Arizona if Palmer goes down (or Arizona anyways)? I prefer to see what the new coaching can do. The offense is good and has a chance to be great. Solid starter? can we get a win vs a winning team before we start on the solid starter stuff. And by winning team i dont mean pats with their hurt 3rd string qb, that just doesnt count. Mccoy carried the offense, end of story. If they want to tank, get rid of of lesean and they finish with 2 or 3 wins next season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BaaadThingsMan Posted May 10, 2017 Share Posted May 10, 2017 Nah Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted May 10, 2017 Share Posted May 10, 2017 (edited) Solid starter? can we get a win vs a winning team before we start on the solid starter stuff. And by winning team i dont mean pats with their hurt 3rd string qb, that just doesnt count. Mccoy carried the offense, end of story. If they want to tank, get rid of of lesean and they finish with 2 or 3 wins next season. He has a record of 15-14. Bradford's record before the aforementioned trade was 25-37-1. I'm not sure I'm following your point? Edited May 10, 2017 by Kirby Jackson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted May 10, 2017 Share Posted May 10, 2017 He has a record of 15-14. Bradford's record before the aforementioned trade was 25-37-1. I'm not sure I'm following your point? Bradford sucks. I blows my mind that people think he is anything but a bad NFL starting qb. He is a younger, less athletic Alex Smith. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thurman#1 Posted May 10, 2017 Share Posted May 10, 2017 (edited) Solid starter? can we get a win vs a winning team before we start on the solid starter stuff. And by winning team i dont mean pats with their hurt 3rd string qb, that just doesnt count. Mccoy carried the offense, end of story. If they want to tank, get rid of of lesean and they finish with 2 or 3 wins next season. IMHO, by "solid starter," people tend to mean that a guy is easily in the top 32 QBs in the league. Whether or not your whole team can beat a good team has little to do with that. By that definition anyway, Tyrod is absolutely and without question a solid starter. Yeah, he has more to prove, especially after last year's regression. Teams are looking for more than a solid starter. They want a guy in the top 10 or 12 QBs. In any case, wins is not a QB stat, it's a team stat. QBs should be judged by how well they play QB. Bradford sucks. I blows my mind that people think he is anything but a bad NFL starting qb. He is a younger, less athletic Alex Smith. Alex Smith is a good QB. A team can win a Super Bowl with him. Bradford last year completed 71.6% of his passes, had 20 TDs and 5 INTs and a passer rating of 99.3. He's a good QB too. Smith and Bradford when he's playing well are both sort of in the very good game manager with real upside category. middle of the pack 7-9? Bottom of the middle of the pack. Edited May 10, 2017 by Thurman#1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted May 10, 2017 Share Posted May 10, 2017 IMHO, by "solid starter," people tend to mean that a guy is easily in the top 32 QBs in the league. Whether or not your whole team can beat a good team has little to do with that. By that definition anyway, Tyrod is absolutely and without question a solid starter. Yeah, he has more to prove, especially after last year's regression. Teams are looking for more than a solid starter. They want a guy in the top 10 or 12 QBs. In any case, wins is not a QB stat, it's a team stat. QBs should be judged by how well they play QB. Alex Smith is a good QB. A team can win a Super Bowl with him. Bradford last year completed 71.6% of his passes, had 20 TDs and 5 INTs and a passer rating of 99.3. He's a good QB too. Smith and Bradford when he's playing well are both sort of in the very good game manager with real upside category. 7-9? Bottom of the middle of the pack. Smith doesn't lose you games but he rarely is the reason you win. Even the Chiefs know he isn't good enough and that's why they made a big move to get a guy, which has potential to be a great move for them. And Bradford is the definition of stats not telling the whole story. No D.C. Fears Bradford. Good qbs don't play on their 3rd team before they turn 30. He's not terrible but he is a better version of captain checkdown, who set a completion % record for 2nd year qbs. Completely meaningless. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gugny Posted May 10, 2017 Share Posted May 10, 2017 (edited) Smith doesn't lose you games but he rarely is the reason you win. Even the Chiefs know he isn't good enough and that's why they made a big move to get a guy, which has potential to be a great move for them. And Bradford is the definition of stats not telling the whole story. No D.C. Fears Bradford. Good qbs don't play on their 3rd team before they turn 30. He's not terrible but he is a better version of captain checkdown, who set a completion % record for 2nd year qbs. Completely meaningless. You just did a pretty good job at describing Tyrod Taylor! Edited May 10, 2017 by Gugny Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphadawg7 Posted May 10, 2017 Share Posted May 10, 2017 Can we trade the posters who keep starting threads about QB changes that aren't happening? We are not trading TT. We are not trading for Hundley. We are not trading for any other QB. Watson is not a Bill, nor was he ever going to be. Mahomes is not a Bill, nor was he ever going to be. Trubisky is not a Bill, nor was he ever going to be. Time to move on, whether you like him or not, he's the QB this year. Next year is a different story. He either earns the job moving forward on the field this year or he falters and we need to see if one of our young guys shows anything or we use our 2 firsts next year to go get our next guy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted May 10, 2017 Share Posted May 10, 2017 The horror Way to take one sentence out of a longer post out of context to make it look like I was saying that is a bad thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted May 10, 2017 Share Posted May 10, 2017 @spotrac Tyrod Taylors restructured contract dropped his 2018 dead cap figure w/ the #Bills from $17.7M to $8.6M. The Cost to Cut or Trade your Quarterback http://www.spotrac.com/research/nfl/the-cost-to-cut-or-trade-your-quarterback-631/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted May 10, 2017 Share Posted May 10, 2017 Can we trade the posters who keep starting threads about QB changes that aren't happening? We are not trading TT. We are not trading for Hundley. We are not trading for any other QB. Watson is not a Bill, nor was he ever going to be. Mahomes is not a Bill, nor was he ever going to be. Trubisky is not a Bill, nor was he ever going to be. Time to move on, whether you like him or not, he's the QB this year. Next year is a different story. He either earns the job moving forward on the field this year or he falters and we need to see if one of our young guys shows anything or we use our 2 firsts next year to go get our next guy. I would venture to say that he is the qb for the next 2 years....and that is if he DOESNT have a good year. You know what folks....he could in fact have a good year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
87168 Posted May 10, 2017 Share Posted May 10, 2017 Solid starter? can we get a win vs a winning team before we start on the solid starter stuff. And by winning team i dont mean pats with their hurt 3rd string qb, that just doesnt count. Mccoy carried the offense, end of story. If they want to tank, get rid of of lesean and they finish with 2 or 3 wins next season. I don't get this. pats fans, as well as analysts from around the league were riding high when the pats were 3-0. stating "they can win with anyone", "the hoodie is a genius"..."plug and play system blah blah". then when they get shutout by TT and company (after shutting out the texans a week prior), it doesn't count? ok. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeGOATski Posted May 11, 2017 Author Share Posted May 11, 2017 @spotrac Tyrod Taylors restructured contract dropped his 2018 dead cap figure w/ the #Bills from $17.7M to $8.6M. The Cost to Cut or Trade your Quarterback http://www.spotrac.com/research/nfl/the-cost-to-cut-or-trade-your-quarterback-631/ Nice. Good info. So, at ~$11 mil cost to trade before the 2017 season, Tyrod is right at the average for starting QBs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JM2009 Posted May 11, 2017 Share Posted May 11, 2017 Solid starter? can we get a win vs a winning team before we start on the solid starter stuff. And by winning team i dont mean pats with their hurt 3rd string qb, that just doesnt count. Mccoy carried the offense, end of story. If they want to tank, get rid of of lesean and they finish with 2 or 3 wins next season. Bills are 3-2 without McCoy. 0-3 when TT is not playing. Didn't the Bills beat the Jets twice in 2015, Houston, Colts. They should have beat Miami the second game in 2016 if the defense/ST weren't terrible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoBills808 Posted May 11, 2017 Share Posted May 11, 2017 Bills are 3-2 without McCoy. 0-3 when TT is not playing. Didn't the Bills beat the Jets twice in 2015, Houston, Colts. They should have beat Miami the second game in 2016 if the defense/ST weren't terrible. This logic...is awful. Just brutal. I'm not going to go into how bad it is because I'm pretty sure it'd be lost on you, but wow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JM2009 Posted May 11, 2017 Share Posted May 11, 2017 This logic...is awful. Just brutal. I'm not going to go into how bad it is because I'm pretty sure it'd be lost on you, but wow. logic for you-15 wins was a team win. 14 losses are all on TT. This logic...is awful. Just brutal. I'm not going to go into how bad it is because I'm pretty sure it'd be lost on you, but wow. By the way, Taylor is a big reason why the running game was as good as it was. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reddogblitz Posted May 12, 2017 Share Posted May 12, 2017 I don't get this. pats fans, as well as analysts from around the league were riding high when the pats were 3-0. stating "they can win with anyone", "the hoodie is a genius"..."plug and play system blah blah". then when they get shutout by TT and company (after shutting out the texans a week prior), it doesn't count? ok. Helen Keller was the name I recall being thrown around. A W is a W is a W. They all count the same. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gugny Posted May 12, 2017 Share Posted May 12, 2017 Helen Keller was the name I recall being thrown around. A W is a W is a W. They all count the same. Now if the Bills can just count higher than 8 with TT at QB ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted May 12, 2017 Share Posted May 12, 2017 This logic...is awful. Just brutal. I'm not going to go into how bad it is because I'm pretty sure it'd be lost on you, but wow. pot....meet......kettle Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reddogblitz Posted May 12, 2017 Share Posted May 12, 2017 Now if the Bills can just count higher than 8 with TT at QB ... I'm with ya Gug. I hope this is the year. It's gonna take the whole team to do it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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