ganesh Posted April 18, 2017 Share Posted April 18, 2017 They certainly should. And when they do......there goes the savings/cap maneuvering they gained being thrifty with Groy. There is a reason the Bills look like a clown show.......not tendering those two higher was unnecessary risk for potentially paltry savings. You are making a huge assumption that if the Bills had a 2nd round tender, the Pats would have signed him to a contract. That is a huge leap of faith. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eric Moulds on my A** Posted April 18, 2017 Share Posted April 18, 2017 Well, bugger. Bye guys. It's almost ultimate frisbee season.. European handball could be interesting too. Maybe I'll even sink to the low of watching golf. We're obviously out of our element in NFL fandom. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeffismagic Posted April 18, 2017 Share Posted April 18, 2017 It makes sense to let him go and take the pick if you are rebuilding. Bills also paying a bridge QB 30 million over 2 years with 8.5 dead cap if they release next year. Bills have no plan. They are just doing random things. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akm0404 Posted April 18, 2017 Share Posted April 18, 2017 If you think our free agent scrap heap signing backup RB is worth $4m and a 5th round pick, I guess we'll have to agree to disagree. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted April 18, 2017 Share Posted April 18, 2017 Exactly...A fact also lost on Whaley as well... Anyone who thinks TD Mike was not worth that 2nd Round tender money needs to find another sport to follow because football is not their thing... again, it's not really the money difference in the tenders for just this one year. They want to extend him, for multiple years.... The 2nd rd tender is a poor negotiating starting point for the team. His value is a 5th rd tender for those purposes. And if they want to get a draft pick as an option, they won't get any team offering one at a 2nd rd tender. This way they gave the option of either taking the pick or matching since they were going to extend him anyway. Otherwise they are stuck paying a 2nd rd tender and negotiating within it. They need to offer the RFA tender so early on, before FA even starts its best to have options. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KOKBILLS Posted April 18, 2017 Share Posted April 18, 2017 You are making a huge assumption that if the Bills had a 2nd round tender, the Pats would have signed him to a contract. That is a huge leap of faith. Maybe I'm missing something...But I don't think anyone is assuming the Pats would give up 2nd Round Picks...That's the whole idea...You pay a little more to assure the player returns... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BADOLBILZ Posted April 18, 2017 Share Posted April 18, 2017 It's really not surprising to see #BADOL all over this thread. After all, he thinks every RB on the roster is just as good as Shady anyway. (here, I'll add a couple of :lol: and :doh: so you know it's not serious to me!) Why you trollin' me? Kirby doesn't like it. Bandit doesn't like it. I laugh at the Bills mistakes because it's a game........the Bills are bad at it.....A clown show wouldn't be funny without some laughs. You do take this entirely too seriously eball. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleeding Bills Blue Posted April 18, 2017 Share Posted April 18, 2017 Maybe I'm missing something...But I don't think anyone is assuming the Pats would give up 2nd Round Picks...That's the whole idea...You pay a little more to assure the player returns... But if you want to negotiate an extension he has a higher starting value. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akm0404 Posted April 18, 2017 Share Posted April 18, 2017 To put it another way, do you want your backup RB having your team's 10th highest cap number? And, you need to give up a 5th rounder as well? Sounds like a coup from Whaley, to be honest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T-Bomb Posted April 18, 2017 Share Posted April 18, 2017 It makes sense to let him go and take the pick if you are rebuilding. Bills also paying a bridge QB 30 million over 2 years with 8.5 dead cap if they release next year. Bills have no plan. They are just doing random things. What else do you do when you don't have an elite franchise QB? You tool around until you get lucky, if you ever get lucky. That's all the NFL is these days, teams with elite QB's, everyone else is a joke waiting to get lucky in the draft. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BmarvB Posted April 18, 2017 Share Posted April 18, 2017 thieves looking to keep us down! they smell the threat coming and want to neutralize it before we catch up to them by poaching all they can from us Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamie Muellers Ghost Posted April 18, 2017 Share Posted April 18, 2017 Who is the last impact 5th rounder the Bills picked ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beef Jerky Posted April 18, 2017 Share Posted April 18, 2017 That's what I was talkin' bout. The Pats waited till the Bills thought for sure they had him cheap......now it's going to be hard for the Bills to swallow that deal. But they should. Well played by Pats. Easy deal to swallow... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blokestradamus Posted April 18, 2017 Share Posted April 18, 2017 It's almost ultimate frisbee season.. European handball could be interesting too. Maybe I'll even sink to the low of watching golf. We're obviously out of our element in NFL fandom. Cricket season started a couple weeks ago, might be a nice change of pace Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eric Moulds on my A** Posted April 18, 2017 Share Posted April 18, 2017 To put it another way, do you want your backup RB having your team's 10th highest cap number? And, you need to give up a 5th rounder as well? Sounds like a coup from Whaley, to be honest. Mmmm that's too logical. Please stop talking sense around here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bilzfancy Posted April 18, 2017 Share Posted April 18, 2017 Take the 5th rd pick and sign Blount, get him cheaply now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Domdab99 Posted April 18, 2017 Share Posted April 18, 2017 Because he was excellent last season And how did that translate to a winning season and playoffs? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BADOLBILZ Posted April 18, 2017 Share Posted April 18, 2017 You are making a huge assumption that if the Bills had a 2nd round tender, the Pats would have signed him to a contract. That is a huge leap of faith. What are you talking about? I said they should have tendered him higher so it would have been done and over. No way the Pats cough up a 2nd rounder for MG. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blokestradamus Posted April 18, 2017 Share Posted April 18, 2017 Who is the last impact 5th rounder the Bills picked ? Karlos Williams Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeffismagic Posted April 18, 2017 Share Posted April 18, 2017 What else do you do when you don't have an elite franchise QB? You tool around until you get lucky, if you ever get lucky. That's all the NFL is these days, teams with elite QB's, everyone else is a joke waiting to get lucky in the draft. You don't sign a guy you need for one year with 8.5 million cap hit if he is released. Terrible contract. Most fans are looking at only cap hit year 1. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jr1 Posted April 18, 2017 Share Posted April 18, 2017 he's worth it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleeding Bills Blue Posted April 18, 2017 Share Posted April 18, 2017 What else do you do when you don't have an elite franchise QB? You tool around until you get lucky, if you ever get lucky. That's all the NFL is these days, teams with elite QB's, everyone else is a joke waiting to get lucky in the draft. Everyone's argument is why don't we get a franchise QB... As if there is 0 focus on it. We only brought in like every single QB for a visit. I think we're looking into it guys. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Success Posted April 18, 2017 Share Posted April 18, 2017 It makes sense to let him go and take the pick if you are rebuilding. Bills also paying a bridge QB 30 million over 2 years with 8.5 dead cap if they release next year. Bills have no plan. They are just doing random things. They may or may not have a plan. But losing a backup rb hardly indicates whether they do or not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted April 18, 2017 Share Posted April 18, 2017 To put it another way, do you want your backup RB having your team's 10th highest cap number? And, you need to give up a 5th rounder as well? Sounds like a coup from Whaley, to be honest. Thank you for logic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleeding Bills Blue Posted April 18, 2017 Share Posted April 18, 2017 You don't sign a guy you need for one year with 8.5 million cap hit if he is released. Terrible contract. Most fans are looking at only cap hit year 1. ummm his cap hit this year is only 9 million to be our starting QB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D. L. Hot-Flamethrower Posted April 18, 2017 Share Posted April 18, 2017 Take the pick and the cap space. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsfaninChicago Posted April 18, 2017 Share Posted April 18, 2017 I am going to sound like a Homer here but it kind of seems like a win win. We match and we get a solid 2nd RB on our team for another year or we don't and we get a 5th round pick and some much needed cap room back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beef Jerky Posted April 18, 2017 Share Posted April 18, 2017 It's funny if the Bills had made a play for Butler it would be "The Patriots are going to fleece the Bills" Instead the Patriots make an offer to a BACKUP RB and it's "The Patriots are going to fleece the Bills" Doesn't matter what happens the Bills will always look bad b.c people are stupid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ko12010 Posted April 18, 2017 Share Posted April 18, 2017 This is becoming a trend - Hogan, Gilmore, Gillislee... I guess we should take it as a compliment that Belichick thinks so highly of Bills players? friggin dick head. This is starting to get aggravating though. I feel like Belichick is almost trolling us at this point... Maybe he's still pissed off about Rex Ryan talking all that smack? Or Bills fans taking out that billboard mocking Brady? Or shutting them out last year? lol j/k We're the Pats farm team Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BADOLBILZ Posted April 18, 2017 Share Posted April 18, 2017 Jeff Howe @jeffphowe The Bills haven't informed Gillislee of their final decision yet, but the first indication is they don't believe they'll match, per source. 2:10 PM - 18 Apr 2017 They just got punched in the face so......being the weak willed Bills of same ol' I would certainly expect them to be staggered initially......as I'm sure the Pats do. Fortunately they have some time to regain their composure. Should be an easy decision to match it. Just another poor play by the Bills but they have the right to not be stupid......I mean, match. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KOKBILLS Posted April 18, 2017 Share Posted April 18, 2017 again, it's not really the money difference in the tenders for just this one year. They want to extend him, for multiple years.... The 2nd rd tender is a poor negotiating starting point for the team. His value is a 5th rd tender for those purposes. And if they want to get a draft pick as an option, they won't get any team offering one at a 2nd rd tender. This way they gave the option of either taking the pick or matching since they were going to extend him anyway. Otherwise they are stuck paying a 2nd rd tender and negotiating within it. They need to offer the RFA tender so early on, before FA even starts its best to have options. Well...This option leaves you without the player and a 5th...I think it was better safe than sorry...But that's just me...I said the same thing about Hogan... I don't know...I'm actually dumbfounded by Bills fans being OK with losing that kid...to the freaking Pats...for a 5th round pick...I'm a little shocked to be honest...Mike was such a valuable tool...Folks can say what they want about RB's growing on trees and all...I think Mike brought it every week and he busted BIG runs... Whatever...Just another day as a fan of a loser... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeffismagic Posted April 18, 2017 Share Posted April 18, 2017 ummm his cap hit this year is only 9 million to be our starting QB. Contract goes to 18 million next year with 8.5 million dead cap hit if we cut him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Santana Posted April 18, 2017 Share Posted April 18, 2017 Unfortunately, you gotta let him walk. Buffalo screwed up again, this isn't the Patriots fault it's the fault of a horrible GM and front office. Screw it, I guess we'll be in the mix for Leonard Fournette Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebandit27 Posted April 18, 2017 Share Posted April 18, 2017 again, it's not really the money difference in the tenders for just this one year. They want to extend him, for multiple years.... The 2nd rd tender is a poor negotiating starting point for the team. His value is a 5th rd tender for those purposes. And if they want to get a draft pick as an option, they won't get any team offering one at a 2nd rd tender. This way they gave the option of either taking the pick or matching since they were going to extend him anyway. Otherwise they are stuck paying a 2nd rd tender and negotiating within it. They need to offer the RFA tender so early on, before FA even starts its best to have options. That's why I'd have bypassed the RFA tenders and offered him a 2-year, $4.5M deal that was fully-guaranteed. He'd have signed it because it's more money up front than the tenders, and you avoid this entire goofy situation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LabattBlue Posted April 18, 2017 Share Posted April 18, 2017 Well...This option leaves you without the player and a 5th...I think it was better safe than sorry...But that's just me...I said the same thing about Hogan... I don't know...I'm actually dumbfounded by Bills fans being OK with losing that kid...to the freaking Pats...for a 5th round pick...I'm a little shocked to be honest...Mike was such a valuable tool...Folks can say what they want about RB's growing on trees and all...I think Mike brought it every week and he busted BIG runs... Whatever...Just another day as a fan of a loser... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BADOLBILZ Posted April 18, 2017 Share Posted April 18, 2017 Easy deal to swallow... Should be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bisonbrigade Posted April 18, 2017 Share Posted April 18, 2017 The Bills are a joke and are going to struggle to reach 5 wins this year, meanwhile the 15-1 Patriots win the Superbowl. it's groundhog day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloHokie13 Posted April 18, 2017 Share Posted April 18, 2017 Karlos Williams If not Karlos, then Kyle Williams Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blokestradamus Posted April 18, 2017 Share Posted April 18, 2017 If not Karlos, then Kyle Williams And what might have been for Brad Butler if politics didn't come calling. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleeding Bills Blue Posted April 18, 2017 Share Posted April 18, 2017 (edited) Contract goes to 18 million next year with 8.5 million dead cap hit if we cut him. I'm aware of how it's structured. It was structured with the idea of keeping him on the roster, and freeing up cap space for 2017. if you cut him next year you can split 8.5 over two years. Or just restructure again... Edited April 18, 2017 by dneveu Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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