3rdand12 Posted April 3, 2017 Share Posted April 3, 2017 Just saw on twitter: @Rapsheet Source: The #Redskins have agreed to terms with FA LB Zach Brown, pending a physical. Big-name free agent off the market. Might have to go LB even earlier in the draft now. Shame, I thought he was a solid player back there. i am pleased you misspelled his name. ungrateful fr. i wish him no well whatsoever All those whining about comp picks next year can smile again Thank Gosh !! Dooomed! (?) Epically Gilmore is the only real loss out of the three. pfft Reddick mmm..sounds good Yep! Everyone should be happy. Now we have a better chance to tank. you have been pretty grumpy lately. Still eating dried prunes like i suggested? I like the ones with cherry essence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BfloBillsFan Posted April 3, 2017 Share Posted April 3, 2017 Quick update the comp picks thread Thanks for the laugh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan4 Posted April 3, 2017 Share Posted April 3, 2017 (edited) Interesting he got another 1 year prove it type deal. Not all that surprising though, given his history. Edited April 3, 2017 by BillsFan4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanadianFan Posted April 4, 2017 Share Posted April 4, 2017 @rapsheet #Redskins LB Zach Brown signed a 1-year deal worth a maximum value of $4.65M, source said. $500k signing bonus. Not bad this late in FA. WOW. I bet you Raiders' fans are screaming at Reggie for not signing him. that would've fit their budget. I think they must've pissed off Zach as per his tweet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted April 4, 2017 Share Posted April 4, 2017 Serious question because I have no idea, can't keep up with the DCs in DC... do they run a 3-4 or 4-3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PromoTheRobot Posted April 4, 2017 Share Posted April 4, 2017 So we've lost Gilmore, Woods, and now Brown. Wow, what a great off-season. Sign everyone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not at the table Karlos Posted April 4, 2017 Share Posted April 4, 2017 Serious question because I have no idea, can't keep up with the DCs in DC... do they run a 3-4 or 4-3 Greg Manusky. I think he runs a 34 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thurman#1 Posted April 4, 2017 Share Posted April 4, 2017 I thought he fit our system but was over him 3 weeks ago One thing Whaley knows how to do is sign lbs He fit the system fine. We have very very little money left under the cap this year. $12.5 mill left with the rookie draftees taking around $6 mill and the Bills liking to have around $5 - $6 mill on hand during the season for injury replacements. This is what happens when your GM gets you in cap trouble. You have to let guys go who you'd rather keep. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted April 4, 2017 Share Posted April 4, 2017 He fit the system fine. We have very very little money left under the cap this year. $12.5 mill left with the rookie draftees taking around $6 mill and the Bills liking to have around $5 - $6 mill on hand during the season for injury replacements. This is what happens when your GM gets you in cap trouble. You have to let guys go who you'd rather keep. OK Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LABILLBACKER Posted April 4, 2017 Share Posted April 4, 2017 Gilmore is the only real loss out of the three. And that's not saying much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmur66 Posted April 4, 2017 Share Posted April 4, 2017 one clap Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted April 4, 2017 Share Posted April 4, 2017 As an alternative to what? What should we have done? Want my honest opinion? Kept Gilmore - $8.5m cap hit in 2017 Kept Zach - $4.65m cap hit in 2017 (Total: $13.15m) Not kept Alexander - $3m cap hit in 2017 Not signed Patrick Di Marco - $1.85m cap hit in 2017 Not signed Steven Hauschka - $2.6m cap hit in 2017 Not signed Jordan Poyer - $2.45m cap hit in 2017 Not signed Vladimir Ducasse - $933k cap hit in 2017 (Total: $10.85m) Difference - $2.3m which is cap space we easily have. For me it was quite simple if it came down to Alexander v Brown - I don't keep the 33 year old 1 season wonder. The rest of those players I'd have been more than happy to replace through the draft and/or UDFA and/or vet minimum players. So my offseason would have looked like: Significant losses: Robert Woods; Lerentee McCray; Marquise Goodwin; Justin Hunter; EJ Manuel; Lorenzo Alexander; Corbin Bryant. Significant additions: Micah Hyde; Andre Holmes; Ryan Davis. Significant retentions: Stephon Gilmore; Zach Brown; Ryan Groy; Mike Gillislee. Renegotiation: Tyrod Taylor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wilcoam Posted April 4, 2017 Share Posted April 4, 2017 Gunner, you have my vote as the GM of our Bills I would have much preferred to have kept Gilmore and Brown over most of the dumpster divers we brought in Dimarco and Hyde excepted Though I very much dislike Hyde's contract, and or I'm not yet convinced he'll be an upgrade on Graham Also noting your plan would have gotten us at least one 2018 comp pick for Woods, likely a 4th rounder, instead of butkus I see Thurman's point, and concur, but the reality is our Bills spent some decent money in FA this off season They were not as cap restricted as folks suggest 9M+ alone on two new safeties, that's not chump change They just didn't spend the dough on front line impact starters or anyone us fans can be excited about jc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted April 4, 2017 Share Posted April 4, 2017 Though I very much dislike Hyde's contract, and or I'm not yet convinced he'll be an upgrade on Graham I am a Micah Hyde fan, have been since he came into the league. I think he will be a really nice fit for this defense and having a safety on the field who can play deep, play in the box or go and play in nickel gives us a nice ability to flex the D against offenses that want to run the hurry up. Having said all that.... even Hyde would have been expendable in my plan to keep Gilmore. There is just no way I'd have let him out of the building. And before I am accused of being a fan who hates on everything OBD does people should check my position on Gilmore which has been consistent for a number of years. He was a must retain for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eball Posted April 4, 2017 Share Posted April 4, 2017 Did anyone watch Zach Brown play during the 2nd half of the season, and specifically during games vs. Pittsburgh and Miami? I'll give McDermott the benefit of the doubt at this point. When I consider the players who have left and those who have arrived this offseason, after looking at what sort of team I think McDermott wants to put together, the only guy I think I'll miss is Bobby Woods. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
babulator Posted April 4, 2017 Share Posted April 4, 2017 As an alternative to what? What should we have done? Exactly what we did. Let them overpay for an overrated Gilmore, an easily replaceable Woods, and Brown, who clearly overvalued his worth on the market. No, we did exactly what we should have done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted April 4, 2017 Share Posted April 4, 2017 Sal on WGR: one reason Bills didn't go to the wall for ZB is because he didn't buy into McDermott's culture and way of building a team. Complete opposite of how Rex ran his locker room. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PromoTheRobot Posted April 4, 2017 Share Posted April 4, 2017 Sal on WGR: one reason Bills didn't go to the wall for ZB is because he didn't buy into McDermott's culture and way of building a team. Complete opposite of how Rex ran his locker room. Then Washington should meet his culture needs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted April 4, 2017 Share Posted April 4, 2017 Sal on WGR: one reason Bills didn't go to the wall for ZB is because he didn't buy into McDermott's culture and way of building a team. Complete opposite of how Rex ran his locker room. I can see that and of course that is something that as fans we can never really know. But that isn't surprising to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebandit27 Posted April 4, 2017 Share Posted April 4, 2017 Want my honest opinion? Kept Gilmore - $8.5m cap hit in 2017 Kept Zach - $4.65m cap hit in 2017 (Total: $13.15m) Not kept Alexander - $3m cap hit in 2017 Not signed Patrick Di Marco - $1.85m cap hit in 2017 Not signed Steven Hauschka - $2.6m cap hit in 2017 Not signed Jordan Poyer - $2.45m cap hit in 2017 Not signed Vladimir Ducasse - $933k cap hit in 2017 (Total: $10.85m) Difference - $2.3m which is cap space we easily have. For me it was quite simple if it came down to Alexander v Brown - I don't keep the 33 year old 1 season wonder. The rest of those players I'd have been more than happy to replace through the draft and/or UDFA and/or vet minimum players. So my offseason would have looked like: Significant losses: Robert Woods; Lerentee McCray; Marquise Goodwin; Justin Hunter; EJ Manuel; Lorenzo Alexander; Corbin Bryant. Significant additions: Micah Hyde; Andre Holmes; Ryan Davis. Significant retentions: Stephon Gilmore; Zach Brown; Ryan Groy; Mike Gillislee. Renegotiation: Tyrod Taylor. You've seen enough of my offseason plan to have a good idea of where I was at, so I won't rehash it here. I'm not sold on the DiMarco and Poyer signings, but Ducasse is the one that sticks in my craw. I think he's terrible, and I have no idea how he makes a team that returns 9 NFL-roster-worthy OLmen (last year's starting 5 plus Cyrus, Henderson, Groy, and Lewis,--that's without mentioning Michael Ola, who has started 19 career games at RT). I'm not a pedant when it comes to compensatory picks, but it'll be a sad state of affairs if the Ducasse signing prevents this team from a 3rd round compensatory pick they'd have recouped from Gilmore's defection to a division rival. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChan Posted April 4, 2017 Share Posted April 4, 2017 (edited) You've seen enough of my offseason plan to have a good idea of where I was at, so I won't rehash it here. I'm not sold on the DiMarco and Poyer signings, but Ducasse is the one that sticks in my craw. I think he's terrible, and I have no idea how he makes a team that returns 9 NFL-roster-worthy OLmen (last year's starting 5 plus Cyrus, Henderson, Groy, and Lewis,--that's without mentioning Michael Ola, who has started 19 career games at RT). I'm not a pedant when it comes to compensatory picks, but it'll be a sad state of affairs if the Ducasse signing prevents this team from a 3rd round compensatory pick they'd have recouped from Gilmore's defection to a division rival. Between Ducasse and Davis, I don't think we're getting that 3rd rounder, bud. https://overthecap.com/compensatory-draft-picks-cancellation-chart/ Pats acquired GIlmore, Ealy, Cooks and Allen and are still gonna get 2 comp picks. Outrageous. Edited April 4, 2017 by FireChan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PO16FFS Posted April 4, 2017 Share Posted April 4, 2017 So we've lost Gilmore, Woods, and now Brown. Wow, what a great off-season. who are these guys? Did they have an impact? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted April 4, 2017 Share Posted April 4, 2017 Between Ducasse and Davis, I don't think we're getting that 3rd rounder, bud. https://overthecap.com/compensatory-draft-picks-cancellation-chart/ Pats acquired GIlmore, Ealy, Cooks and Allen and are still gonna get 2 comp picks. Outrageous. I actually doubt Ducasse makes the team to be honest. Davis probably does. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChan Posted April 4, 2017 Share Posted April 4, 2017 I actually doubt Ducasse makes the team to be honest. Davis probably does. Should we be rooting against him? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted April 4, 2017 Share Posted April 4, 2017 Should we be rooting against him? Ha. I am rooting for the best players to make the team. If he is one of those I'd be surprised. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebandit27 Posted April 4, 2017 Share Posted April 4, 2017 Between Ducasse and Davis, I don't think we're getting that 3rd rounder, bud. https://overthecap.com/compensatory-draft-picks-cancellation-chart/ Pats acquired GIlmore, Ealy, Cooks and Allen and are still gonna get 2 comp picks. Outrageous. Hard to say, the valuation for qualifying CFAs includes actual player quality and playoff appearances, not just money, so who knows if they'll be right about who qualifies. Also, there remains the possibility that guys like Gragg, Bryant, White, Blanton, and Douzable will end up getting contracts before June 1st, so a net loss could still happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted April 4, 2017 Share Posted April 4, 2017 Hard to say, the valuation for qualifying CFAs includes actual player quality and playoff appearances, not just money, so who knows if they'll be right about who qualifies. Also, there remains the possibility that guys like Gragg, Bryant, White, Blanton, and Douzable will end up getting contracts before June 1st, so a net loss could still happen. i think Bryant is still injured. It is stopping him working out. Sadly that likely means he is picked up after the cut off point which sucks for us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jauronimo Posted April 4, 2017 Share Posted April 4, 2017 Comp picks! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
without a drought Posted April 5, 2017 Share Posted April 5, 2017 My only concern is that the Bills maintain their mediocrity and get some comp picks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blokestradamus Posted April 5, 2017 Share Posted April 5, 2017 I guess the league really does watch the tape. @corryjoe Zach Brown's 1-year deal with the Redskins is for $2.3M (worth a maximum of $4.6M through incentives). $700k is fully GTD. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Murica Posted April 5, 2017 Share Posted April 5, 2017 (edited) I guess the league really does watch the tape. @corryjoe Zach Brown's 1-year deal with the Redskins is for $2.3M (worth a maximum of $4.6M through incentives). $700k is fully GTD. Curious as to why the Bills didn't offer something around that, doesn't seem expensive, guess they really didn't want him back. Edited April 5, 2017 by Captain Murica Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted April 5, 2017 Share Posted April 5, 2017 Curious as to why the Bills didn't offer something around that, doesn't seem expensive, guess they really didn't him back. maybe they did. But guessing it wasn't much more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted April 5, 2017 Share Posted April 5, 2017 Curious as to why the Bills didn't offer something around that, doesn't seem expensive, guess they really didn't him back. ...something isn't passing the smell test here at those numbers, especially the guaranteed part.....guy did not want to come back IMO....just an opinion and observation.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Murica Posted April 5, 2017 Share Posted April 5, 2017 ...something isn't passing the smell test here at those numbers, especially the guaranteed part.....guy did not want to come back IMO....just an opinion and observation.... Could be that too, but seeing as he and P. Brown became good friends from what Social Media depicts I would think if it was close he would have came back but maybe he was hoping for a big payday and pull a Haynesworth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmur66 Posted April 5, 2017 Share Posted April 5, 2017 Curious as to why the Bills didn't offer something around that, doesn't seem expensive, guess they really didn't want him back. Maybe the Bills look at tape too? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Murica Posted April 6, 2017 Share Posted April 6, 2017 Maybe the Bills look at tape too? That's what I was insinuating with maybe they didn't want him back due to the lack of effort and the regression he displayed in the final half/quarter of the season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted April 6, 2017 Share Posted April 6, 2017 (edited) That's what I was insinuating with maybe they didn't want him back due to the lack of effort and the regression he displayed in the final half/quarter of the season. i wouldn't be surprised if he was one of the ones sleeping in meetings last year (Lorax mentioned in an interview). McD might have laid down the law to him on his visit and he said see ya, different culture he didn't really want to fall in line with Edited April 6, 2017 by YoloinOhio Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed_Formerly_of_Roch Posted April 6, 2017 Share Posted April 6, 2017 Comp Picks!! We're talking about Comp Picks?? Not real picks! Comp Picks! Not a real pick! No We're talking about Comp Picks! Really Comp Picks! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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