The McDermott Era begins - Voluntary OTAs

[papazoid]

we don't want to traumatize a 5 year old by having a birthday party a week early

[ndirish1978]

It's just funny how certain players off field stuff remains a thing more than others.

 

This is true. "High motor" players get breaks around here.

 

I believe you missed the point. Promo wasn't writing about what the league thinks of Lil Kelly but rather the double standard some posters around here apply to, say, Dareus, who they want to cut because of off-field behavior while arguing that a proven lout like Kelly ought to be given "another chance." Can I get a "Hmm"?

 

I think the concerns are valid. I would argue that a lot of that sentiment is actually directed at "stupid" mistakes vs drug-related stuff but LeSean's issue was some dumb party invite and a fracas with some cops so you'd think Kelly's public pwning by a pornstar and threats to shoot people with a machine gun would land him in the same boat - nope.

 

Are you saying that Kelly will get a pass because he's white? That's ridiculous, the kid might not even get drafted and has been kicked out of multiple programs. Doesn't really look like special treatment to me

 

This is not me agreeing, but I believe he's call YOU someone who is showing a double standard. Not people in general

Edited April 4, 2017 by ndirish1978

[fansince88]

Kids camp was during the day and he went to the casino after. I'm sure he was at the high roller table.

Then he stepped on a lego....this is how he hurt his foot. Choices people!

[hondo in seattle]

 

Ah, well then Hondo, sir, you were correct!

 

It happens so rarely, it's gratifying that someone noticed.

[Punching Bag]

@salsports

Video: Eric Wood, who broke his leg in early November, being nimble. Then Sammy stretching:

https://twitter.com/salsports/status/848910692057010178

just saw McD presser scheduled at noon

 

Wood looks like very nimble and appears to have lost weight.

 

It is good that the team gets to see players moving to see how well they have been doing on conditioning.

 

I remember when Branch got a new contract he would not show up for volunteer sessions saying he was working out at home and when he got to training camp was unable to pass fitness test. All players should have some sort of clause in contract to pull back signing bonuses if you do not show up in reasonable shape.

for weight lifting and other exercises? There's no football at all

 

Yes but off-season is not supposed to be for marathon eating and 16 hour cat naps.

Chad Kelly we keep giving chances to but productive players like Shady we give snark. Why is that?

 

Sharks respect sharks and snarks respect snarks.

[BuffAlone]

 

?

 

 

yeah we all take of work for our kids birthdays

its VOLUNTARY

[Bill_with_it]

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Right so what's the big deal with not being there then, Not like he's missing anything on the field.

 

Phase One/ 4 Hrs

 

• Two Weeks | Limited To Strength And Conditioning Activities (Dead Ball); Only Strength And Conditioning Coaches Allowed On Field
• 90 Minute Max On The Field
• Clubs Can Only Specify 2 Hours For Players To Be At Facility
• Players Choose The Other 2 Hours For Weights, Etc

Hes the only one not there on a tesm that's desperately trying to undo losing ways and turn this franchise around. You dont think a millionaire athlete could have held his childs birthday party a day early in order to take part in team activities that has been arrainged for a while now? Also its 4 hours how long is the birthday party all day? He could have done both in the same day. Edited April 5, 2017 by Bill_with_it

[Tenhigh]

Hes the only one not there on a tesm that's desperately trying to undo losing ways and turn this franchise around. You dont think a millionaire athlete could have held his childs birthday party a day early in order to take part in team activities that has been arrainged for a while now?

So, no kids for you either?

[Bill_with_it]

So, no kids for you either?

I have a kid i have missed her birthday 4 times, missed my wifes 5 times, missed our anniversary 4 times, christmas 3 times.

[Cripple Creek]

You know you did sarcasm well when someone takes it seriously.

iffin ya got me then ya got me

[papazoid]

that must be some birthday party......going on for 2 days now and counting

[thebandit27]

Geez guys; it's voluntary.

 

He's missing stretching and working out.

 

Would I prefer he's there? Yes. Would the HC? I'm sure.

 

Is anyone--his teammates and coaches included--worried about the fact that he's not attending a voluntary workout where zero football-related activity takes place? Nobody except some of the folks on this board.

[ALF]

Well Shady just eliminated himself from the team Leadership Council , he's not all in

[PromoTheRobot]

I have a kid i have missed her birthday 4 times, missed my wifes 5 times, missed our anniversary 4 times, christmas 3 times.

Okay. Did you have to miss those events or did you choose to? Shady choose family over a voluntary work thing.

[FireChan]

Okay. Did you have to miss those events or did you choose to? Shady choose family over a voluntary work thing.

Everything is voluntary.

[iinii]

 

great example....the new ceo at your workplace has a team bonding scheduled of which you had several weeks notice.

 

you tell em your busy....good luck with that.

As Watkins said, Y'all back to your little jobs" trying to compare the "normal" work environment to the NFL is ridiculous. If you didn't ' show up for an OTA at your place of employment would it be hotly debated by 50 strangers? The NFL is not the real world. Does anyone pay you 8 million a year so that 80,000 of their friends can come get drunk off their ass and watch you shuffle papers?

that must be some birthday party......going on for 2 days now and counting

You have probably never been to those kinds of parties, have you?

Well Shady just eliminated himself from the team Leadership Council , he's not all in

Shady has his own leadership council, he just buys the Oline expensive watches. Edited April 5, 2017 by iinii

[Elite Poster]

 

A lot of us don't seem to remember how those 90s Bills, especially the great ones, were notorious for skipping voluntary workouts.

 

Short term memory, full term complaining.

 

 

It's more symbolic than practical. 60 of 61 players demonstrated they cared enough to be there.

 

But there's a practical side too. We have a new coach. I'm sure he's carefully crafted his first words to the team in his effort to start laying the foundation of a new culture and new way of doing things. Shady missed that.

And he's still the best player on the team and will continue to contribute the most. Feel free not to cheer come September.

Edited April 5, 2017 by Elite Poster

[Dorkington]

I bet the 31 other teams in the NFL have 100% participation in voluntary workouts.

[Elite Poster]

...probably.....entering year 55 following these boyz, I'm a traditional old fart hoping that a new beginning with McCoach means a different outlook....but then again, we're talking overpaid divas who do whatever the hell they want....sorry for the rant.........

55 years?? Do you remember the 90s? You must have really hate those guys.

 

Oh and btw, Adrian Peterson, Tom Brady, Ray Lewis, and Peyton Manning all skipped voluntary workouts at some point.

 

NONE OF THEM ARE LEADERS!

[Bronxbomber21]

 

1. Family

2. Football

3. Hookers

4. Booze

5. Jesus

This looks about right lol

[Tenhigh]

I have a kid i have missed her birthday 4 times, missed my wifes 5 times, missed our anniversary 4 times, christmas 3 times.

Unless you are in the armed forces and deployed overseas, you sound like a terrible father and husband. Probably a good employee though.

[Riverboat Richie]

Hes the only one not there on a tesm that's desperately trying to undo losing ways and turn this franchise around. You dont think a millionaire athlete could have held his childs birthday party a day early in order to take part in team activities that has been arrainged for a while now? Also its 4 hours how long is the birthday party all day? He could have done both in the same day.

 

And some people don't have to post from work. Are those people that are using their employers time and resources terrible people?

you think he doesn't care about the team? Name one time from since he's been a Bill where he show that he didn't care while on the field. Did he ever mail it in? Why would that change now?

[without a drought]

I believe this is the same guy that people wanted the Bills to cut based on events last off season without even waiting for the facts. So I guess I wouldn't put too much into this either.

[thebandit27]

55 years?? Do you remember the 90s? You must have really hate those guys.

 

Oh and btw, Adrian Peterson, Tom Brady, Ray Lewis, and Peyton Manning all skipped voluntary workouts at some point.

 

NONE OF THEM ARE LEADERS!

 

As of 2015, Tom Brady had never skipped a voluntary workout.

 

Now, that doesn't mean that this is a big deal, but figured I'd point that out since, IMO, that's quote a statement.

[BADOLBILZ]

Geez guys; it's voluntary.

 

He's missing stretching and working out.

 

Would I prefer he's there? Yes. Would the HC? I'm sure.

 

Is anyone--his teammates and coaches included--worried about the fact that he's not attending a voluntary workout where zero football-related activity takes place? Nobody except some of the folks on this board.

 

 

.........and possibly a few other teammates who are like......."why the f*ck am I here.....ME..... if the 2nd highest paid player at his position in the entire league doesn't see fit to show up? I got places I'd rather be too."

 

As you very well know Bandit, that is the real issue.........not that he's missing stretching exercises.

 

When teams win SB's the postgame interviews usually begin with the QB praising everyone for being there of every minute of the offseason etc.......that's believed by many within the game to be how you build a team and create the synergy and mental toughness needed to get thru a long season and come out on top.

 

I'm not trying to make it out to be more than it is but let's not pretend it has ANYTHING to do with the stretching exercises.

[thebandit27]

 

 

.........and possibly a few other teammates who are like......."why the f*ck am I here.....ME..... if the 2nd highest paid player at his position in the entire league doesn't see fit to show up? I got places I'd rather be too."

 

As you very well know Bandit, that is the real issue.........not that he's missing stretching exercises.

 

When teams win SB's the postgame interviews usually begin with the QB praising everyone for being there of every minute of the offseason etc.......that's believed by many within the game to be how you build a team and create the synergy and mental toughness needed to get thru a long season and come out on top.

 

I'm not trying to make it out to be more than it is but let's not pretend it has ANYTHING to do with the stretching exercises.

 

I don't disagree with any of that--but like you said, I don't think it's going to make the difference between playoffs and an early disappointment for this team.

[JohnC]

 

I don't disagree with any of that--but like you said, I don't think it's going to make the difference between playoffs and an early disappointment for this team.

McCoy is a terrific player and a player who will enter camp physically prepared. When Whaley traded for him he knew exactly who he was as a person. He has an individual approach to the game as opposed to a team oriented approach to the game. That's who he is and how he is. If you don't want that type of player with that attitude on your team then don't trade for him.

 

I would prefer that McCoy showed up for voluntary workouts but I am not disturbed by it. For me it is no big deal. However, for a player such as Dareus who has a history of not being mature and dedicated enough to prepare for the season in the offseason it would be an issue to be concerned with.

[BADOLBILZ]

 

I don't disagree with any of that--but like you said, I don't think it's going to make the difference between playoffs and an early disappointment for this team.

 

 

When you are trying to get employees to focus on being a team you don't want them thinking about "ME". That's what no-shows do in the workplace.

 

Do I think it will make a difference? No idea but probably not. He's a running back 9 years in the league so he shouldn't even need to see a playbook or any new technique work the way the defense, WR's, TE's and OL will.

 

If I were his boss, I would tell him that he should just stay home for the rest of OTA's........cuz, he's getting older and we want him refreshed and not getting hurt.......long season, ya' know?

 

Two birds....one stone. Shady off the table as a distraction .....and Shady thinking about being on the team on June 2nd.

[JohnC]

 

 

When you are trying to get employees to focus on being a team you don't want them thinking about "ME". That's what no-shows do in the workplace.

 

Do I think it will make a difference? No idea but probably not. He's a running back 9 years in the league so he shouldn't even need to see a playbook or any new technique work the way the defense, WR's, TE's and OL will.

 

If I were his boss, I would tell him that he should just stay home for the rest of OTA's........cuz, he's getting older and we want him refreshed and not getting hurt.......long season, ya' know?

 

Two birds....one stone. Shady off the table as a distraction .....and Shady thinking about being on the team on June 2nd.

If Shady doesn't show up for voluntary workouts why is he a distraction?

[thebandit27]

McCoy is a terrific player and a player who will enter camp physically prepared. When Whaley traded for him he knew exactly who he was as a person. He has an individual approach to the game as opposed to a team oriented approach to the game. That's who he is and how he is. If you don't want that type of player with that attitude on your team then don't trade for him.

 

I would prefer that McCoy showed up for voluntary workouts but I am not disturbed by it. For me it is no big deal. However, for a player such as Dareus who has a history of not being mature and dedicated enough to prepare for the season in the offseason it would be an issue to be concerned with.

 

That's generally how I feel as well.

 

 

 

When you are trying to get employees to focus on being a team you don't want them thinking about "ME". That's what no-shows do in the workplace.

 

Do I think it will make a difference? No idea but probably not. He's a running back 9 years in the league so he shouldn't even need to see a playbook or any new technique work the way the defense, WR's, TE's and OL will.

 

If I were his boss, I would tell him that he should just stay home for the rest of OTA's........cuz, he's getting older and we want him refreshed and not getting hurt.......long season, ya' know?

 

Two birds....one stone. Shady off the table as a distraction .....and Shady thinking about being on the team on June 2nd.

 

Like I said: the effect is not lost on me. I simply think that the effect will have little-to-no impact on the team's performance.

[BADOLBILZ]

 

That's generally how I feel as well.

 

 

Like I said: the effect is not lost on me. I simply think that the effect will have little-to-no impact on the team's performance.

 

 

Yeah probably.....the level of indignance amongst fans on the subject is telling of their fears though.

 

When Brady and Russell Wilson say that the offseason buy-in is the foundation of winning it's probably self-serving bullsh*t but I'd like to see what happens if the Bills all bought-in for once.

 

That's why I would eliminate McCoy from the equation by telling him to stay home and make the focus on the 100% of the rest of the team who did show up to the coaches very first ever OTA.

 

I do it nice-like though.

[Joe Miner]

 

 

Yeah probably.....the level of indignance amongst fans on the subject is telling of their fears though.

 

When Brady and Russell Wilson say that the offseason buy-in is the foundation of winning it's probably self-serving bullsh*t but I'd like to see what happens if the Bills all bought-in for once.

 

That's why I would eliminate McCoy from the equation by telling him to stay home and make the focus on the 100% of the rest of the team who did show up to the coaches very first ever OTA.

 

I do it nice-like though.

Maybe you can call into his radio show and ask him about it?

[BillsVet]

Unless you are in the armed forces and deployed overseas, you sound like a terrible father and husband. Probably a good employee though.

 

Who are you to tell another poster what's right and wrong?

 

Millennial, right?

[Riverboat Richie]

 

 

Yeah probably.....the level of indignance amongst fans on the subject is telling of their fears though.

 

When Brady and Russell Wilson say that the offseason buy-in is the foundation of winning it's probably self-serving bullsh*t but I'd like to see what happens if the Bills all bought-in for once.

 

That's why I would eliminate McCoy from the equation by telling him to stay home and make the focus on the 100% of the rest of the team who did show up to the coaches very first ever OTA.

 

I do it nice-like though.

NFLPA would tend to disagree with you:

• WORKOUTS ARE STRICTLY VOLUNTARY; Club Officials Cannot Indicate Workouts Are Anything Other Than Voluntary

 

Who are you to tell another poster what's right and wrong?

 

Millennial, right?

 

Do you see the irony in your post?

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

WORKOUTS ARE STRICTLY VOLUNTARY and teams with new HC's get to start them 2 or 3 weeks prior to other teams. Is there a major loss? I doubt it.

 

Just make sure that Shady is in Buffalo and not hanging out in Philly.

[thebandit27]

 

 

Yeah probably.....the level of indignance amongst fans on the subject is telling of their fears though.

 

When Brady and Russell Wilson say that the offseason buy-in is the foundation of winning it's probably self-serving bullsh*t but I'd like to see what happens if the Bills all bought-in for once.

 

That's why I would eliminate McCoy from the equation by telling him to stay home and make the focus on the 100% of the rest of the team who did show up to the coaches very first ever OTA.

 

I do it nice-like though.

 

I'd like to see it as well...alas, 99% will have to do for now.

[PromoTheRobot]

If Shady doesn't show up for voluntary workouts why is he a distraction?

At least it's not contract related. Whew, thanks Florio.

[hondo in seattle]

Geez guys; it's voluntary.

 

He's missing stretching and working out.

 

Would I prefer he's there? Yes. Would the HC? I'm sure.

 

Is anyone--his teammates and coaches included--worried about the fact that he's not attending a voluntary workout where zero football-related activity takes place? Nobody except some of the folks on this board.

 

Wouldn't have been cool though if 61 of 61 players attended? Wouldn't have that been a strong statement of unity and commitment?

 

I'm confident that when Shady does show up, he'll be in shape. I'm looking forward to another good year from Shady. I don't think his lack of attendance is the end of the world. I just think that the proper way to welcome a new coach is with participation and engagement.

 

60 players found ways to manage their personal commitments and still make it do Day One of voluntary workouts. It would have been nice if Shady figured it out too.

[BuffAlone]

 

 

.........and possibly a few other teammates who are like......."why the f*ck am I here.....ME..... if the 2nd highest paid player at his position in the entire league doesn't see fit to show up? I got places I'd rather be too."

 

As you very well know Bandit, that is the real issue.........not that he's missing stretching exercises.

 

When teams win SB's the postgame interviews usually begin with the QB praising everyone for being there of every minute of the offseason etc.......that's believed by many within the game to be how you build a team and create the synergy and mental toughness needed to get thru a long season and come out on top.

 

I'm not trying to make it out to be more than it is but let's not pretend it has ANYTHING to do with the stretching exercises.

Now if a player schedules a paid vacation for a Sunday during the season,that'd be an issue. But how many employers ask for volunteers to work overtime,and how many show up?? Its VOLUNTARY! Its not sending any other message than he wanted/needed thw day off. Its not a big deal people,until things become Mandatory Edited April 5, 2017 by BuffAlone

[PaattMaann]

McCoy prepares himself for the season how he sees fit (and has been extremely durable at the RB position)

 

McCoy is also a tremendous teammate (has never been a selfish player or a locker room distraction, took his entire o-line to key west on vacation after the 2015 season, etc)

 

This is a non issue