Kirby Jackson Posted January 6, 2017 Share Posted January 6, 2017 Obviously you guys don't get it. For as terrible as EJ is, who I don't like one bit, and I think Tyrod is light years better, the Bills averaged 22.3 ppg for EJ when he started 10 games as a true rookie, without the benefit of a historical rushing game, to Tyrods Bills avg this year of 25.9 ppg. That's all i'm comparing, nothing else. That comparison is because at nauseam all the CoT have said, it will be impossible to find a QB that could average the same amount of points per game. Not going to be hard to replace the QB as EJ of all people put up similar ppg. FWIW EJs and Bills scored points in 2013 were 21L, 24W, 20L, 23W, 24L, 10L, 37W, 31L, 6L, 27W. Looks awful similar to Tyrod doesn't it. It is a difference between 8th in the league and 18th. You don't think that 30% of the teams is a large gap. We disagree that 22.3 and 25.9 are close. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrDawkinstein Posted January 6, 2017 Share Posted January 6, 2017 Romo is significantly better than TT. But he's old and getting fragile, too. Even that option has its shortcomings. GETTING fragile? He's a half a sack away from never walking again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted January 6, 2017 Share Posted January 6, 2017 Romo is significantly better than TT. But he's old and getting fragile, too. Even that option has its shortcomings. Absolutely, that's the point. He's the only guy that COULD give you improved play in 2017. He also might not make it out of camp. In addition, you are going to spend the same money and a 2nd to take that chance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Jokeman Posted January 6, 2017 Share Posted January 6, 2017 Romo is significantly better than TT. But he's old and getting fragile, too. Even that option has its shortcomings. So that's why you add Romo, keep building Cardale and draft another QB this year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CommonCents Posted January 6, 2017 Share Posted January 6, 2017 It is a difference between 8th in the league and 18th. You don't think that 30% of the teams is a large gap. We disagree that 22.3 and 25.9 are close. Tyrod protects the ball and scores more points, EJ is a turnover machine and scores less points. Decisions decisions!!! Tyrod has value, EJ should be out of the league. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
section122 Posted January 6, 2017 Share Posted January 6, 2017 Yes. Because the NFL of 2004-05 was suited exactly to the passing game like it has been in 2015-16. So 1000 yards over 2 years means nothing? Or 2000 total yards. How about this one then (through 2 years): Tyrod: 7206 total yards, 6058 passing yards, 47 total tds, 37 passing tds, 12 ints, 94.5 rating, 62.7 comp % Russell Wilson: 7503 total yards, 6475 passing yards, 57 total tds, 52 passing tds, 19 ints, 100.6 rating, 63.6 comp% So over 2 years Russell Wilson (who everyone would love to have) has 300 more yards, 400 more passing yards, 10 more tds, and 7 more ints. Again I say, Bills fans have no idea what it is to watch a young qb develop. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GG Posted January 6, 2017 Share Posted January 6, 2017 Absolutely, that's the point. He's the only guy that COULD give you improved play in 2017. He also might not make it out of camp. In addition, you are going to spend the same money and a 2nd to take that chance. The difference is that Bills wouldn't be committed to Romo long term. The big money in TT's contract kicks in this year with a longer commitment. I think that Bills would be perfectly happy keeping TT at $15 million in 2017. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobobonators Posted January 6, 2017 Share Posted January 6, 2017 No offense but that's not exactly an apples to apples comparison. Why not compare him to Rodgers who sat for 4 years? Or does that not help your argument? Compare Big Bens numbers his 5th and 6th yr in the NFL to TT's last two. Do it. Be surprised. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan2313 Posted January 6, 2017 Share Posted January 6, 2017 To play devil's advocate, in 2014 the Buffalo Bills had the 25th ranked Rush Offense. We finished as the 1st ranked Rush Offense in 2015 and 2016. McCoy wasn't a factor? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D. L. Hot-Flamethrower Posted January 6, 2017 Share Posted January 6, 2017 Romo is the only available upgrade for 2017 IMO. That is IF he plays. He will cost you at worst a 2nd and as much money as you are paying TT. TT and a 2nd is better than Romo at this point IMO. Maybe long-term one of these rookies will be but I don't think this year? If you get rid of TT in 2017 the offense will be worse. If it is necessary to take 2 steps forward long-term I am good with it. Just curious why you think Romo is the only upgrade? Not saying he isn't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sir andrew Posted January 6, 2017 Share Posted January 6, 2017 If this is true, there will be a complete rebuild. The Bills current cap situation is too messy to try and deal with. Also, who's going to play QB next year. Going to be a fun 4-12 type of season next year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rico Posted January 6, 2017 Share Posted January 6, 2017 tyrod to denver and they will crush the westYep. Congrats EJ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Helpmenow Posted January 6, 2017 Share Posted January 6, 2017 The bills have a plan and trust me it will perfectly fine. Wink wink. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted January 6, 2017 Share Posted January 6, 2017 The difference is that Bills wouldn't be committed to Romo long term. The big money in TT's contract kicks in this year with a longer commitment. I think that Bills would be perfectly happy keeping TT at $15 million in 2017.That's probably true but do you think Romo is picking Buffalo on a 1 year $15M option? I don't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billschinatown Posted January 6, 2017 Share Posted January 6, 2017 (edited) Can someone tweet at Chennelly for an update on TT on twitter? I don't have a twitter bease it makes me hate myself...and humanity Edited January 6, 2017 by Billschinatown Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted January 6, 2017 Share Posted January 6, 2017 Romo is the only available upgrade for 2017 IMO. That is IF he plays. He will cost you at worst a 2nd and as much money as you are paying TT. TT and a 2nd is better than Romo at this point IMO. Maybe long-term one of these rookies will be but I don't think this year? If you get rid of TT in 2017 the offense will be worse. If it is necessary to take 2 steps forward long-term I am good with it. Romo is a definite upgrade, but as you well know a calculated risk. He's the only plausible veteran upgrade I see with any kind of track record. Jimmy G looked good in a limited sample size. After that, I don't see much of anything. That's why this whole thing doesn't make sense in the middle of a coaching search. Turning the clock back two years when the team was in a similar predicament, it was clear they had the QB candidates lined up as Rex was ushered in. I imagine that has to be the case now. As I said before, no man in his right mind is stepping into this job faced with Cardale Jones as the QB. The draft won't be an option either, because there isn't a good option available at #10. I agree. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted January 6, 2017 Share Posted January 6, 2017 i think the running game will be affected but will still be good. Lesean McCoy has always been good. It doesn't need to be #1. What needs to improve is the offense as a whole because in critical situations in the 4th it didn't come through ...the defense knew we were one dimensional. The good teams are able to defend the Bills when it counts. That's the problem, and no I don't have a solution as of now. But it's not just a stats thing, my eyes tell me the throws that need to be made when they need to be made... weren't being made. Again, if I'm making the decision I keep him. Because I don't know what is behind door #2 and door #3. Whaley runs a football team's personnel and has more info than we do (despite what everyone thinks of him, he has more information available to him than the fans and the media). Tyrod didnt progress this year....maybe that is really the whole thing of it. The option was based on progression into year 2....he did not progress. Regression is up for debate....didnt have Sammy nearly the whole season....Woods was constantly hurt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted January 6, 2017 Share Posted January 6, 2017 Just curious why you think Romo is the only upgrade? Not saying he isn't.I don't see anyone that compares available (at least for 2017). The Bills can expect 25 TDs and maybe 10 turnovers from TT with 240 yards a game of offense. They average 25.9 PPG (8th in the league) with him playing. I don't see McCarron or Glennon or Cutler or Hoyer duplicating that. The rookie class has flaws as well. Watson would probably be my pick of this class because he is the most ready to play. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
section122 Posted January 6, 2017 Share Posted January 6, 2017 No offense but that's not exactly an apples to apples comparison. Why not compare him to Rodgers who sat for 4 years? Or does that not help your argument? Because not every QB is the same. As much as we all agree Big Ben is a great QB does anyone think he is better than Rodgers? Here are the numbers though: Rodgers: 8708 total yards, 8474 passing yards, 62 total tds, 58 passing tds, 20 ints, 98.5 rating, 64.15 comp % Tyrod: 7206 total yards, 6058 passing yards, 47 total tds, 37 passing tds, 12 ints, 94.5 rating, 62.7 comp % So Tyrod accounted for 1500 less yards total, 15 less tds total, 4 points lower in qb rating and less than 2% comp % difference than one of the 2 best qbs in the game. In 3 less starts and 261 less attempts (for reference Tyrod had 436 attempts this year so 236 is a little more than an extra half a season of attempts) I can't say those numbers really hurt my argument... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted January 6, 2017 Share Posted January 6, 2017 Romo is a definite upgrade, but as you well know a calculated risk. He's the only plausible veteran upgrade I see with any kind of track record. Jimmy G looked good in a limited sample size. After that, I don't see much of anything. If the Pats are willing to trade JG to the Bills then they don't believe in him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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