MAJBobby Posted November 22, 2016 Share Posted November 22, 2016 Exactly. I like how some Bills fans think this is CFB. Like the Bills vs the Jags is Alabama vs Vanderbilt. Get over yourselves. IF the Bills finish 10-6 it is a huge step in the right direction. It would show progress and show that Rex and Whaley have things moving in the right direction. You ask anyone who has ever played the game at the NFL level and they will all say the same thing. The level of talent from the best roster to the worst is very slim. Sure it would just like the 9-7 Marrone season such a huge step in the right direction. Oooo wait never mind Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big C Posted November 22, 2016 Share Posted November 22, 2016 As long as the loss isn't week 17 to miss the playoffs like last years jets, I'm happy with that finish. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted November 23, 2016 Share Posted November 23, 2016 Winning 5 of the last 6 games is possible even if it may not be probable. But if they do it, finish 10-6, and still don't make the playoffs, how many of you would consider it a successful season, and how many would kick dirt on them and scream for some heads to roll and players be sent on their merry little way? 10-6 would be a good year to me. That's where I thought that they could be. That gets you into the playoffs 87% of the time. I would have signed up for that on opening day (especially as much as they have played without Watkins and Dareus). I was expecting a HUGE year from Watkins. With that said 9-7 still feels more likely to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted November 23, 2016 Share Posted November 23, 2016 This is the same sh*t we hear every year. This year is no different than most of the other years during the decades of ineptitude. The Bills hover around .500 and finish within a game or two of it. In terms of results, absolutely no progress is being made. Zero. None. Zilch. SOS. Unless a dramatic turnaround is made in the next 6 games the Bills will finish with a very Billsy record yet there will be people out there trying to sell us on the positives. These are the same people that have sold us this tainted merchandise for the past 16 years and get upset at their fellow fans when they don't want to buy it. Whilst I understand and share some of that frustration, it isn't true that we are making no progress. We endured NINE losing seasons in a row. If we make it a third consecutive year at 8-8 or better then that is progress, albeit if you are still outside of the play-offs looking in I accept it doesn't feel much like it. But I have said before - culture change is really hard where people are institutionalised losers. Getting the ingrained losing out of people is hard. If we go 8-8 or better this year all of a sudden we will have a significant chunk of the players on this roster that have never been through a losing season here. Slowly but surely that "expecting to lose" dissipates. Now I accept that if we go 9-7, 8-8, 8-8 and then say 6-10 next year it is all for nought... but getting this place away from expecting to lose is hard. I've said before I took on a semi-pro soccer team over here that used to lose all the time, I could sense it as soon as I got there.... it had become a place where the players thought it was okay to lose. Took me 3 years to get rid of that expectation and we got a bit better each year slowly but surely, however after my 3rd year if I had said "we are going to compete for the Championship next season" I'd have been laughed at. We did though... we were runners up by 1 point. I'd changed the culture but there had been some horrible days on route. We lost a game 8-1 in the middle of my second season and I nearly gave up on it. I appreciate this is all a bit rambling... but my point is sometimes when a team has been bad for so long they just expect to be bad. Whilst the expectations I had of the Bills team last year were higher than 8-8 (and this year were right about that mark) we shouldn't underestimate the value of 8-8 or 9-7 again even if it does stretch the drought to 17 years. I don't think when you have been through the prolonged period of awfulness that the Bills have you are going to bounce from say a 5 or 6 win season right to a double figure win season and into the play-offs like some teams who just have down years (like Dallas last year for example) can do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rico Posted November 23, 2016 Share Posted November 23, 2016 Right now, if they miss the playoffs on a tie-breaker, I would be OK with giving them one more year. That's the limit of my generosity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boyst Posted November 23, 2016 Share Posted November 23, 2016 We beat too many NFC teams to make the playoffs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted November 23, 2016 Share Posted November 23, 2016 (edited) We beat too many NFC teams to make the playoffs. I would gladly give up the Rams, AZ and SAN Fran wins for a win against Balt, Jets and Phins. Then at 5-5 I would feel a hell of a lot better than I do right now Or heck maybe keeping the NFC wins and beating the teams we should have beat like Balt, Jets and Phins Edited November 23, 2016 by MAJBobby Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloMatt Posted November 23, 2016 Share Posted November 23, 2016 Exactly. I like how some Bills fans think this is CFB. Like the Bills vs the Jags is Alabama vs Vanderbilt. Get over yourselves. IF the Bills finish 10-6 it is a huge step in the right direction. It would show progress and show that Rex and Whaley have things moving in the right direction. You ask anyone who has ever played the game at the NFL level and they will all say the same thing. The level of talent from the best roster to the worst is very slim. Agreed, Huge step. 10 wins and there are no easy wins. Balt just because it was 6 points doesn't mean we win next time. The jets were healthy and we played poorly on D. Miami, games like that happen momentum shifts quickly. Our D ran out of gas. I'll take 10 wins. Let us get there before we all start bitching that it doesn't mean anything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
r00tabaga Posted November 23, 2016 Share Posted November 23, 2016 As long as the loss isn't week 17 to miss the playoffs like last years jets, I'm happy with that finish. This. 10-6 is a successful NFL campaign by any franchise without asterisks by there names. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr.Sack Posted November 23, 2016 Share Posted November 23, 2016 Going 4-2 down the stretch would be awesome. That's a 9-7 record which may get us in. We would have a 6-6 AFC record. I can see 4 teams ahead of us tanking; KC, Baltimore, Houston, Miami. New England, Oakland, Pittsburgh, Indy, Denver, Buffalo. Does anyone here think that Baltimore, Houston, Miami & KC are better than us? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dayman Posted November 23, 2016 Share Posted November 23, 2016 When the Bills are healthy they can play with anyone....and I mean anyone keep the faith my friends I also believe this, good point Dr. House. That said, we are never healthy and sometimes just b/c we can play good we decide not to anyway, but we can play damn good. We all know that. We never used to have these kind of discussions--at least not seriously. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solomon Grundy Posted November 23, 2016 Share Posted November 23, 2016 Winning 5 of the last 6 games is possible even if it may not be probable. But if they do it, finish 10-6, and still don't make the playoffs, how many of you would consider it a successful season, and how many would kick dirt on them and scream for some heads to roll and players be sent on their merry little way? They still need to find a QB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atlbillsfan1975 Posted November 23, 2016 Share Posted November 23, 2016 Sure it would just like the 9-7 Marrone season such a huge step in the right direction. Oooo wait never mindNot really. Kyle Orton was the QB on the tail end of his career. You got pretty much all you could out of that team. This team does not resemble that team in a lot of ways. If you can't see that I value your opinion a little less. You have good points at times besides your Anti TT crusade. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted November 23, 2016 Share Posted November 23, 2016 (edited) The Bills could win 10 games with two top 5 picks missing at least half of a season and another 2 1st round picks missing 6 games plus. How many other teams can replace that production? In the salary cap era there are only so many "star" type players on each team. The Bills have missed 2 of their top 3 talents for half of the year. If they get to 10 wins with that being the case I don't know how we could look at it any way but positively? Edited November 23, 2016 by Kirby Jackson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PromoTheRobot Posted November 23, 2016 Share Posted November 23, 2016 10-6? Cut everyone! Fire everyone! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted November 23, 2016 Share Posted November 23, 2016 The Bills could win 10 games with two top 5 picks missing at least half of a season and another 2 1st round picks missing 6 games. How many other teams can replace that production? In the salary cap era there are only so many "star" type players on each team. The Bills have missed 2 of their top 3 talents for half of the year. If they get to 10 wins with that being the case I don't know how we could look at it any way but positively? Kirby Your seeing it...just look at the board...people ARE finding a way Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted November 23, 2016 Share Posted November 23, 2016 Kirby Your seeing it...just look at the board...people ARE finding a way It's certainly not complete failure. I don't think that they get to 10 but if they do it is a success. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Frankish Reich Posted November 23, 2016 Share Posted November 23, 2016 Winning 5 of the last 6 games is possible even if it may not be probable. But if they do it, finish 10-6, and still don't make the playoffs, how many of you would consider it a successful season, and how many would kick dirt on them and scream for some heads to roll and players be sent on their merry little way? I would consider it a successful season. You can't control what other teams do, particularly those that aren't in your division. 10-6 with a strong positive point differential would clearly mean "playoff quality team." Having said that, I don't really expect it to happen .... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PromoTheRobot Posted November 23, 2016 Share Posted November 23, 2016 Kirby Your seeing it...just look at the board...people ARE finding a way Because failure is all some people identify with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maury Ballstein Posted November 23, 2016 Share Posted November 23, 2016 Does anyone here think that Baltimore, Houston, Miami & KC are better than us? Yes Because failure is all some people identify with. Aka Buffalo Bills football Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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