YoloinOhio Posted October 20, 2016 Share Posted October 20, 2016 (edited) Giants knew and NFL knew... he admitted the abuse and some of it took place at Pro Bowl last year. Still only got one game. https://www.sny.tv/giants/news/browns-ex-wife-alleges-nfl-and-some-giants-players-were-aware-of-his-behavior/206655618 http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2016/10/19/documents-show-josh-brown-admitted-to-physically-emotionally-abusing-his-ex-wife/ Edited October 25, 2016 by YoloinOhio Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebandit27 Posted October 20, 2016 Share Posted October 20, 2016 With the heightened sensitivity to this issue, Roger's goose might be cooked. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted October 20, 2016 Share Posted October 20, 2016 With the heightened sensitivity to this issue, Roger's goose might be cooked.I read it yesterday and cringed. This feels like a story that we will be hearing about more and more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted October 20, 2016 Author Share Posted October 20, 2016 @josinaanderson Giants source on Josh Brown's alleged admissions to abuse in newly-released police docs of his alleged emails & journal entries "not good." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wayne Cubed Posted October 20, 2016 Share Posted October 20, 2016 Hard to not see why he didn't get the 6-game suspension based on what these reporters were able to find. Saying that, the NFL claims they weren't able to get this information in 2015 and that they repeatedly attempted to contact Molly Brown and local law enforcement, both refused to cooperate with them. Hard to say what information was available at the time. These newly released documents are bad for Josh Brown but I'm not sure how bad they are for the NFL. They weren't available to them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebandit27 Posted October 20, 2016 Share Posted October 20, 2016 @josinaanderson Giants source on Josh Brown's alleged admissions to abuse in newly-released police docs of his alleged emails & journal entries "not good." This is an enormous problem. The Giants knew about it and did nothing, which means that--if the NFL were functioning properly--they'd be sanctioned. However, with the NFL also knowing about it, they can't drop the hammer without looking like a bunch of massive hypocrites. This exacerbates how bad it looks to have gone so remarkably light on Brown in the first place, even after claiming that DV was an automatic 6-game suspension. Furthering the bad look is that they claimed it was because it was an isolated incident for which they didn't have enough information. I really think this could be Roger's ouster. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted October 20, 2016 Author Share Posted October 20, 2016 She says that NFL security were involved at the pro bowl and they hid her and the children from him. That was this year. This is an enormous problem. The Giants knew about it and did nothing, which means that--if the NFL were functioning properly--they'd be sanctioned. However, with the NFL also knowing about it, they can't drop the hammer without looking like a bunch of massive hypocrites. This exacerbates how bad it looks to have gone so remarkably light on Brown in the first place, even after claiming that DV was an automatic 6-game suspension. Furthering the bad look is that they claimed it was because it was an isolated incident for which they didn't have enough information. I really think this could be Roger's ouster. also opens up the racial component considering Ray Rice and Greg Hardy are out of the league but he's not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blokestradamus Posted October 20, 2016 Share Posted October 20, 2016 If the Giants don't release him, John Mara is showing the world that he's a liar as well as a coward. If nobody disciplines him before this weekend, the Rams should designate a man on the return unit to just cannonball his knees. The prick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkyMannn Posted October 20, 2016 Share Posted October 20, 2016 also opens up the racial component considering Ray Rice and Greg Hardy are out of the league but he's not. I'm sure someone at the NFL office said: "Hey he's white we got to keep him". Really?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philo Posted October 20, 2016 Share Posted October 20, 2016 (edited) I'm sure someone at the NFL office said: "Hey he's white we got to keep him". Really?? Someone will make the observation. But, yes, I doubt the NFL really said that. Edited October 20, 2016 by Philo Beddoe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted October 20, 2016 Share Posted October 20, 2016 I'm sure someone at the NFL office said: "Hey he's white we got to keep him". Really?? no but IF it did have that element it would probably look more like "i think josh is a good guy and that hardy character is a thug" and a lot of people make that racial distinction without outwardly saying it (or even directly thinking it due to race). did something like that happen here? who knows. does it happen? yea. and because it does, some people might get that impression. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted October 20, 2016 Author Share Posted October 20, 2016 (edited) NYP: How the hell did the Giants and NFL let Josh Brown slide? http://nypost.com/2016/10/19/how-the-hell-did-giants-and-nfl-let-josh-brown-slide/?utm_campaign=SocialFlow&utm_source=NYPTwitter&utm_medium=SocialFlow&sr_share=twitter Edited October 20, 2016 by YoloinOhio Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aristocrat Posted October 20, 2016 Share Posted October 20, 2016 this is unbelievable. The one component in here is how he was abused as a child. Somebody screwed him up as a kid and now he has a ton of anger and just rage that just sits in the back of his brain waiting to come out. Him being abused seems to have left him as a sociopath...no empathy. What do you do with a guy like that? It's not his fault he's like that and it sounds like he's gotten some help to try and control it but it something he probably can never fix. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain_Quint Posted October 20, 2016 Share Posted October 20, 2016 @josinaanderson Giants source on Josh Brown's alleged admissions to abuse in newly-released police docs of his alleged emails & journal entries "not good." Journal entries? Dear diary, Today I beat up my wife again. (Frown face). If she would just f#&$^#£ listen to me.... Love, Josh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jr1 Posted October 20, 2016 Share Posted October 20, 2016 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebandit27 Posted October 20, 2016 Share Posted October 20, 2016 this is unbelievable. The one component in here is how he was abused as a child. Somebody screwed him up as a kid and now he has a ton of anger and just rage that just sits in the back of his brain waiting to come out. Him being abused seems to have left him as a sociopath...no empathy. What do you do with a guy like that? It's not his fault he's like that and it sounds like he's gotten some help to try and control it but it something he probably can never fix. The answer is very simple: it's totally understandable that he has the feelings he has; the actions he takes are 100% his responsibility. He can get counseling behind bars. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yungmack Posted October 20, 2016 Share Posted October 20, 2016 At its core, the NFL is all about the NFCE and the Giants in particular, and so it's been forever. In many ways, it's the NFCE then everybody else. The league is NYC-based, as are the media companies, the ad agencies, the bankers. And many of the execs are area natives. Does a day go by that NFLN doesn't do numerous reports on every little detail of the Giants, not to mention the other three NFCE teams? Meanwhile, you can go hours if not days with almost nothing on other teams, save 4 or 5 franchises who have a national following (Packers, Steelers, Raiders, Pats, etc.) or a currently hot team like the Bills, though they drop those teams in a hurry when they cool off, something that never happens to NFCE teams no matter how poorly they play. So no surprise that a Josh Brown, playing in NYC, appears to get more "sensitive" treatment than someone playing for the Browns or some other "minor" franchise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
What a Tuel Posted October 20, 2016 Share Posted October 20, 2016 The question is if the NFL had these documents that the Sheriff's office released now. They claimed they had insufficient evidence and the victim and the police wouldn't play ball. Why would they risk this all on a kicker? At its core, the NFL is all about the NFCE and the Giants in particular, and so it's been forever. In many ways, it's the NFCE then everybody else. The league is NYC-based, as are the media companies, the ad agencies, the bankers. And many of the execs are area natives. Does a day go by that NFLN doesn't do numerous reports on every little detail of the Giants, not to mention the other three NFCE teams? Meanwhile, you can go hours if not days with almost nothing on other teams, save 4 or 5 franchises who have a national following (Packers, Steelers, Raiders, Pats, etc.) or a currently hot team like the Bills, though they drop those teams in a hurry when they cool off, something that never happens to NFCE teams no matter how poorly they play. So no surprise that a Josh Brown, playing in NYC, appears to get more "sensitive" treatment than someone playing for the Browns or some other "minor" franchise. He's a kicker. I am hesitant to say after the whole Ray Rice thing that the NFL said, "We need to protect this kicker from harsh treatment for the sake of the Giants." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebandit27 Posted October 20, 2016 Share Posted October 20, 2016 The question is if the NFL had these documents that the Sheriff's office released now. They claimed they had insufficient evidence and the victim and the police wouldn't play ball. Why would they risk this all on a kicker? The NFL themselves apparently had to step in and thwart threatening behavior at the Pro Bowl just 4 months before his suspension was handed down resulting from an arrest in May of 2015. They knew first-hand that it wasn't isolated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
What a Tuel Posted October 20, 2016 Share Posted October 20, 2016 The NFL themselves apparently had to step in and thwart threatening behavior at the Pro Bowl just 4 months before his suspension was handed down resulting from an arrest in May of 2015. They knew first-hand that it wasn't isolated. I don't know about the Pro Bowl situation but the linked article says this: Molly was told by police she was under no obligation to talk to NFL investigators after being contacted by a representative of the league. The league rep contacted the Kings County Sherriff's office several times over several months but was told by Robin Ostrum that she "would not discuss my open and active investigation." Molly told Ostrum that she didn't want to speak to the NFL because she feared the league "would only be looking to bury this whole incident and protect Josh." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted October 20, 2016 Author Share Posted October 20, 2016 <p> I don't know about the Pro Bowl situation but the linked article says this: Molly was told by police she was under no obligation to talk to NFL investigators after being contacted by a representative of the league. The league rep contacted the Kings County Sherriff's office several times over several months but was told by Robin Ostrum that she "would not discuss my open and active investigation." Molly told Ostrum that she didn't want to speak to the NFL because she feared the league "would only be looking to bury this whole incident and protect Josh."it is in the first link I believe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
What a Tuel Posted October 20, 2016 Share Posted October 20, 2016 it is in the first link I believe Yep, I still don't know if I think the NFL could really do much about this, but I have no doubt it will blow up. "A significant one allegedly occurred under the NFL's watch at the Pro Bowl in Hawaii last January, according to the police report. Molly told police that while she and Josh were in the process of getting a divorce, Josh offered to take her and her children to Hawaii and pay their expenses. She agreed, but then called that "a big mistake." Molly alleged that she was subject to "cutting comments" from Josh on that trip, and that he took her phone and searched through her texts, according to the police report. She also alleged that one night he got drunk and pounded on her door so loudly that NFL security and hotel security were called and had to escort Josh away. She also alleged that the NFL eventually put her and her kids up in a different hotel "where Josh would not know where they were," the police report said." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max Fischer Posted October 20, 2016 Share Posted October 20, 2016 Only one game for domestic violence? Makes sense, because he stood for the National Anthem and didn't smoke pot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted October 20, 2016 Author Share Posted October 20, 2016 @jasoncoleBR #Giants spokesman said the team was unaware of the documents in the Josh Brown case prior to their release. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted October 20, 2016 Share Posted October 20, 2016 Well he is practicing today Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted October 20, 2016 Share Posted October 20, 2016 At its core, the NFL is all about the NFCE and the Giants in particular, and so it's been forever. In many ways, it's the NFCE then everybody else. The league is NYC-based, as are the media companies, the ad agencies, the bankers. And many of the execs are area natives. Does a day go by that NFLN doesn't do numerous reports on every little detail of the Giants, not to mention the other three NFCE teams? Meanwhile, you can go hours if not days with almost nothing on other teams, save 4 or 5 franchises who have a national following (Packers, Steelers, Raiders, Pats, etc.) or a currently hot team like the Bills, though they drop those teams in a hurry when they cool off, something that never happens to NFCE teams no matter how poorly they play. So no surprise that a Josh Brown, playing in NYC, appears to get more "sensitive" treatment than someone playing for the Browns or some other "minor" franchise. The top headline on nfl.com IS about the Giants--you're right!! lol Not sure how the 2 about the Bills and the 2 others about the Steelers got on there---heads will roll for that, right? I mean, the other 28 owners outside of the NFCE are all pretty cool with league only paying attention to and promoting one division. It all makes sense because............................why is it that this makes sense? I must have forgotten. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yungmack Posted October 20, 2016 Share Posted October 20, 2016 The question is if the NFL had these documents that the Sheriff's office released now. They claimed they had insufficient evidence and the victim and the police wouldn't play ball. Why would they risk this all on a kicker? He's a kicker. I am hesitant to say after the whole Ray Rice thing that the NFL said, "We need to protect this kicker from harsh treatment for the sake of the Giants." Didn't say that. What I am suggesting is a bias towards the NFCE, the Giants especially, which might be expressed as being more forgiving towards its miscreants. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted October 20, 2016 Share Posted October 20, 2016 @jasoncoleBR #Giants spokesman said the team was unaware of the documents in the Josh Brown case prior to their release. They better hope that's true. If they had any knowledge it's a bad look for the Giants. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BarleyNY Posted October 20, 2016 Share Posted October 20, 2016 The Giants are one of about 4 teams that have gotten very preferential treatment from Goodell. This is just another case of it. Anyone else remember how pissed off the Jets were when they were informed that the league and Giants had the coin flip to determine which team got the first game in the new stadium? No notification to the Jets or representative present. Seems like the Giants won that flip. Now this. I'd love to see Goodell ousted, but I suspect he will dodge another bullet here. He's made the owners too much money. He will be hurt much worse if ratings stay low. I can see that doing him in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted October 20, 2016 Author Share Posted October 20, 2016 Wasn't the NFL supposed to do an "investigation"? How did they miss his admissions? @jasoncoleBR Can #Giants not only find a kicker to replace Josh Brown, if they decide to cut him, but does that kicker have a passport to get to London? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aristocrat Posted October 20, 2016 Share Posted October 20, 2016 somehow doug whaley should be held responsible for this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted October 20, 2016 Author Share Posted October 20, 2016 @rvacchianoSNY The NFL said it is going to re-open its investigation into Josh Brown in light of the new information in the recently released documents. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebandit27 Posted October 20, 2016 Share Posted October 20, 2016 @rvacchianoSNY The NFL said it is going to re-open its investigation into Josh Brown in light of the new information in the recently released documents. This is a last-ditch attempt to save face; they clearly knew it was an issue since the pro bowl, and they went light on him anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pneumonic Posted October 20, 2016 Share Posted October 20, 2016 Only one game for domestic violence? Makes sense, because he stood for the National Anthem and didn't smoke pot. not to mention he didn't celebrate excessively out on the field .... since the NFL just stated they are controlling such celebratory antics 'in order that NFL players can be good role models" The NFL are a bunch of hypocrites who care about nothing but making $$$$$. It's no wonder their ratings are down so much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted October 20, 2016 Author Share Posted October 20, 2016 @andrewbrandt NFL was called out by judge in Rice arbitration for lax investigation/reliance on legal system. Vowed to investigate harder, but challenges. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted October 20, 2016 Share Posted October 20, 2016 @NFL NFL statement on Josh Brown: http://on.nfl.com/XO5ue1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
What a Tuel Posted October 20, 2016 Share Posted October 20, 2016 (edited) @NFL NFL statement on Josh Brown: http://on.nfl.com/XO5ue1 I don't see the huge issue here. The courts aren't doing anything to Josh Brown because charges were dropped, and we are putting more pressure on his employer to penalize him than the courts. In the meantime, the NFL reached out to the involved parties including police, who refused to provide them the evidence that they requested, and advised the victim that she didn't need to speak with NFL investigators. Based on that evidence, they suspended Josh Brown 1 game. When the evidence became available, they showed a willingness to revisit the case and consider the new evidence for further discipline. Edited October 20, 2016 by What a Tuel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted October 20, 2016 Share Posted October 20, 2016 (edited) I don't see the huge issue here. The courts aren't doing anything to Josh Brown because charges were dropped, and we are putting more pressure on his employer to penalize him than the courts. In the meantime, the NFL reached out to the involved parties including police, who refused to provide them the evidence that they requested, and advised the victim that she didn't need to speak with NFL investigators. Based on that evidence, they suspended Josh Brown 1 game. When the evidence became available, they showed a willingness to revisit the case and consider the new evidence for further discipline. here is what you are missing in that statement based on what im understanding. they said they thought the 2015 incident was isolated, and thats why they rescinded a minimum 6 game suspension. if they genuinely thought it isolated (and id prefer a cooperating witness denying/minimizing not just non-participation too) then sure, reducing it may make sense. but the league is now facing that they were in the loop on more than they admitted to. which causes issues. like they shouldve revisited it in January after the probowl, not in october when the press got hands on stuff. this coming from someone that currently leans towards letting the courts sort it out and the nfl not muddying the situation -- but someone that thinks that consistency is important. Edited October 20, 2016 by NoSaint Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebandit27 Posted October 20, 2016 Share Posted October 20, 2016 I don't see the huge issue here. The courts aren't doing anything to Josh Brown because charges were dropped, and we are putting more pressure on his employer to penalize him than the courts. In the meantime, the NFL reached out to the involved parties including police, who refused to provide them the evidence that they requested, and advised the victim that she didn't need to speak with NFL investigators. Based on that evidence, they suspended Josh Brown 1 game. When the evidence became available, they showed a willingness to revisit the case and consider the new evidence for further discipline. I think it's a terrible look. They instituted a policy that mandated a 6-game suspension for DV, which they then deviated from because they supposedly didn't have enough information about previous cases. However, they themselves had intervened in another domestic disturbance that was subsequent to the initial arrest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dwight in philly Posted October 20, 2016 Share Posted October 20, 2016 (edited) I don't see the huge issue here. The courts aren't doing anything to Josh Brown because charges were dropped, and we are putting more pressure on his employer to penalize him than the courts. In the meantime, the NFL reached out to the involved parties including police, who refused to provide them the evidence that they requested, and advised the victim that she didn't need to speak with NFL investigators. Based on that evidence, they suspended Josh Brown 1 game. When the evidence became available, they showed a willingness to revisit the case and consider the new evidence for further discipline. great observation.. unfortunately , hysteria runs amok over common sense.. in the age of social media Edited October 20, 2016 by dwight in philly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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