SWATeam Posted August 12, 2016 Share Posted August 12, 2016 I think the Jets QB situation is interesting, and I like their strategy. They have Fitz, Geno, Petty and Hack. They keep investing high picks at the position and are throwing numbers at the problem, maybe one hits. It's not so much about the actual players for me, I don't really like any of them, but more the organizational strategy. QB is the most important position in all of pro sports- all teams should take this approach... ESPECIALLY a team with a near two decade long drought of anything even resembling capable play. I believe that streak is over but investment in the position needs to continue. I like the Cardale pick and I think we should continue to take one each year. IMO the lack of investment at QB is the biggest contributing factor for the playoff drought. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jauronimo Posted August 12, 2016 Share Posted August 12, 2016 I think the Jets QB situation is interesting, and I like their strategy. They have Fitz, Geno, Petty and Hack. They keep investing high picks at the position and are throwing numbers at the problem, maybe one hits. It's not so much about the actual players for me, I don't really like any of them, but more the organizational strategy. QB is the most important position in all of pro sports- all teams should take this approach... ESPECIALLY a team with a near two decade long drought of anything even resembling capable play. I believe that streak is over but investment in the position needs to continue. I like the Cardale pick and I think we should continue to take one each year. IMO the lack of investment at QB is the biggest contributing factor for the playoff drought. I don't think the example helps your case. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SWATeam Posted August 12, 2016 Author Share Posted August 12, 2016 I don't think the example helps your case. We'll see how it plays out, I don't really like any of them but I've been wrong before. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KDIGGZ Posted August 12, 2016 Share Posted August 12, 2016 This just proves how bad the Jets are at drafting QB's. But hey, if at first you don't succeed... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted August 12, 2016 Share Posted August 12, 2016 If you dont have a number 1 then you got none Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SWATeam Posted August 12, 2016 Author Share Posted August 12, 2016 If you dont have a number 1 then you got none I'm saying even if you have one, like I think we do now, keep taking them. The position is that important. And if you don't have one, like we didn't for years, you need to constantly address it in the form of multiple high picks. We should have taken many more QB's through the years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted August 12, 2016 Share Posted August 12, 2016 They have 4 backups Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted August 12, 2016 Share Posted August 12, 2016 I'm saying even if you have one, like I think we do now, keep taking them. The position is that important. And if you don't have one, like we didn't for years, you need to constantly address it in the form of multiple high picks. We should have taken many more QB's through the years. In my opinion when you have 1 like we do.....it gives you the luxury to let QB talent come to you in the draft. That is why while C. Jones looks so damn raw.....his physical talents are so incredible that it was a good pick this last year....he hardly played any football in college.....has a acme rocket attacked to his body.....has LB size....can run...... I like what the bills have done here...and I dont think it shoud prevent us from doing the same thing next year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SWATeam Posted August 12, 2016 Author Share Posted August 12, 2016 In my opinion when you have 1 like we do.....it gives you the luxury to let QB talent come to you in the draft. That is why while C. Jones looks so damn raw.....his physical talents are so incredible that it was a good pick this last year....he hardly played any football in college.....has a acme rocket attacked to his body.....has LB size....can run...... I like what the bills have done here...and I dont think it shoud prevent us from doing the same thing next year. Good point. Less pressure for immediate impact when you have an established guy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big C Posted August 12, 2016 Share Posted August 12, 2016 It is always tough when you don't have a clear #1. Spending a #2 every year (I know Petty was a 4th) will eventually hurt your depth at other positions. You can only have so many QBs on your roster at one time, and often a QB needs a couple years to acclimate. You may wind up getting rid of a guy too soon without them seeing any meaningful play time. Realistically, you have to find a guy your staff believes in and is willing to invest a few years on. If they are ready to go immediately, great, otherwise you need a stable vet to groom them under. You can't keep cycling through QBs year-to-year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SWATeam Posted August 12, 2016 Author Share Posted August 12, 2016 It is always tough when you don't have a clear #1. Spending a #2 every year (I know Petty was a 4th) will eventually hurt your depth at other positions. You can only have so many QBs on your roster at one time, and often a QB needs a couple years to acclimate. You may wind up getting rid of a guy too soon without them seeing any meaningful play time. Realistically, you have to find a guy your staff believes in and is willing to invest a few years on. If they are ready to go immediately, great, otherwise you need a stable vet to groom them under. You can't keep cycling through QBs year-to-year. I think you can. If it hurts you short term, so what? You pick higher until you find your guy, the position is that important Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YattaOkasan Posted August 12, 2016 Share Posted August 12, 2016 I think you can. If it hurts you short term, so what? You pick higher until you find your guy, the position is that important I think the point is that if you don't have a line to protect him or a WR to throw to then you might not be able to assess accurately. If you're picking a QB high (QB's in the later rounds rarely pan out), then your sacrificing resources that could/need to be spent other positions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SWATeam Posted August 12, 2016 Author Share Posted August 12, 2016 I think the point is that if you don't have a line to protect him or a WR to throw to then you might not be able to assess accurately. If you're picking a QB high (QB's in the later rounds rarely pan out), then your sacrificing resources that could/need to be spent other positions. Good point as well. A QB may not develop on a poor team. There really is no formula Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YattaOkasan Posted August 12, 2016 Share Posted August 12, 2016 Good point as well. A QB may not develop on a poor team. There really is no formula Its tough for sure. I like JfH post on the subject. If you have a #1 its great because you should still take potential, but you can let the draft come to you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted August 12, 2016 Share Posted August 12, 2016 It's worked out so well for them they the spend the entire summer slowly caving to Fitz's will, rather than going with any of those future insurance salesmen and casino greeters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bronc24 Posted August 12, 2016 Share Posted August 12, 2016 I think the Jets QB situation is interesting, and I like their strategy. They have Fitz, Geno, Petty and Hack. They keep investing high picks at the position and are throwing numbers at the problem, maybe one hits. It's not so much about the actual players for me, I don't really like any of them, but more the organizational strategy. QB is the most important position in all of pro sports- all teams should take this approach... ESPECIALLY a team with a near two decade long drought of anything even resembling capable play. I believe that streak is over but investment in the position needs to continue. I like the Cardale pick and I think we should continue to take one each year. IMO the lack of investment at QB is the biggest contributing factor for the playoff drought. Any post that includes the words "Fitz" and "ending playoff drought" is contradictory. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jr1 Posted August 12, 2016 Share Posted August 12, 2016 you suck if you can't beat out journeyman Fitz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted August 12, 2016 Share Posted August 12, 2016 They have 4 backups For those who want to draft a QB every year, this is one possible outcome. You gotta have a good one, but you can only keep so many, and you don't know right away who might pan out... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdand12 Posted August 12, 2016 Share Posted August 12, 2016 This just proves how bad the Jets are at drafting QB's. But hey, if at first you don't succeed... From a Bills fan no less. But I guess we do have enough experience to know what a bad QB draft pick looks like ? I'm saying even if you have one, like I think we do now, keep taking them. The position is that important. And if you don't have one, like we didn't for years, you need to constantly address it in the form of multiple high picks. We should have taken many more QB's through the years. Signing TT to the extension, and drafting Cardale looks kinda smart then? Honest question bud. I think the point is that if you don't have a line to protect him or a WR to throw to then you might not be able to assess accurately. If you're picking a QB high (QB's in the later rounds rarely pan out), then your sacrificing resources that could/need to be spent other positions. There more to it then that of course. But when you factor in Coaching, GM, owner. Turnover of said parties, the QB can be a complicated affair to reach fruition. Read an article today from PFT ( probably Florio) saying that if GM and HC change from not making the playoffs Tyrod may not be the guy long term anyways. If you consider that from a different angle, there is no point in drafting a QB each year if a team keeps shifting the goalpost. It a messed up way of doing business. But it continues to bring in revenue and the shareholders are delighted on their returns It's worked out so well for them they the spend the entire summer slowly caving to Fitz's will, rather than going with any of those future insurance salesmen and casino greeters. Just because the Jests have not succeeded does not mean it is not a valid plan of action. Does it ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nucci Posted August 12, 2016 Share Posted August 12, 2016 I think the Jets QB situation is interesting, and I like their strategy. They have Fitz, Geno, Petty and Hack. They keep investing high picks at the position and are throwing numbers at the problem, maybe one hits. It's not so much about the actual players for me, I don't really like any of them, but more the organizational strategy. QB is the most important position in all of pro sports- all teams should take this approach... ESPECIALLY a team with a near two decade long drought of anything even resembling capable play. I believe that streak is over but investment in the position needs to continue. I like the Cardale pick and I think we should continue to take one each year. IMO the lack of investment at QB is the biggest contributing factor for the playoff drought. So you're ok with drafting bad QBs with high picks? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SWATeam Posted August 12, 2016 Author Share Posted August 12, 2016 So you're ok with drafting bad QBs with high picks? Yes, that's what I'm saying. The more bad QB's the better... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted August 12, 2016 Share Posted August 12, 2016 Yes, that's what I'm saying. The more bad QB's the better... Well, you're doing a fine job as Jets GM! (That was just a guess.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted August 12, 2016 Share Posted August 12, 2016 Sack was a waste of a 2nd round pick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rocky Landing Posted August 12, 2016 Share Posted August 12, 2016 I think the point is that if you don't have a line to protect him or a WR to throw to then you might not be able to assess accurately. If you're picking a QB high (QB's in the later rounds rarely pan out), then your sacrificing resources that could/need to be spent other positions.It should be interesting to see what happens in LA. They mortgaged the farm to draft Goff. They have a sketchy O-line- some coming off serious injury. Their #1 WRs are Kenny Britt and Tavon Austin. Beyond that, they have a stable of rookies at WR and TE. If Goff gets thrown out there early, as many suspect will happen, he gets pummeled and turns into Trent Edwards, then what?. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SWATeam Posted August 12, 2016 Author Share Posted August 12, 2016 It should be interesting to see what happens in LA. They mortgaged the farm to draft Goff. They have a sketchy O-line- some coming off serious injury. Their #1 WRs are Kenny Britt and Tavon Austin. Beyond that, they have a stable of rookies at WR and TE. If Goff gets thrown out there early, as many suspect will happen, he gets pummeled and turns into Trent Edwards, then what?. Yeah, it will be interesting. At least he has Gurley and a strong D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted August 13, 2016 Share Posted August 13, 2016 Just because the Jests have not succeeded does not mean it is not a valid plan of action. Does it ? No, but Whaley has proven he struggles to ID a decent QB. In fact, the irony of the Rex hire is that he is the one who found us a QB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CardinalScotts Posted August 13, 2016 Share Posted August 13, 2016 I loved Fitz, if we had any type of defense when he was here we may have been able to break the playoff drought. That being said there is no way he will repeat his 2015 this season. 1) he's is a inconsistent player always has been 2) there schedule is brutal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JTO Posted August 13, 2016 Share Posted August 13, 2016 I agree. Tomorrow, Cardale will be exposed big time. At best, he's a future 3rd stringer or backup at best. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uffalo Ills Posted August 13, 2016 Share Posted August 13, 2016 I think the Jets QB situation is interesting, and I like their strategy. They have Fitz, Geno, Petty and Hack. They keep investing high picks at the position and are throwing numbers at the problem, maybe one hits. It's not so much about the actual players for me, I don't really like any of them, but more the organizational strategy. QB is the most important position in all of pro sports- all teams should take this approach... ESPECIALLY a team with a near two decade long drought of anything even resembling capable play. I believe that streak is over but investment in the position needs to continue. I like the Cardale pick and I think we should continue to take one each year. IMO the lack of investment at QB is the biggest contributing factor for the playoff drought. I agree. Theyre rebuilding the position much like we did before we found Tyrod. You never know who will play well at the NFL level, so drafting and bringing in vets via FA is the best bet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdand12 Posted August 13, 2016 Share Posted August 13, 2016 No, but Whaley has proven he struggles to ID a decent QB. In fact, the irony of the Rex hire is that he is the one who found us a QB. I find this to be true. But at least Whaley had the wherewithal to trust Rex??!! I am pleased honestly about Tyrod Taylor Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted August 13, 2016 Share Posted August 13, 2016 I'm sure Whaley was well aware of Tyrod and his ability. I doubt we'll ever know who drove this and to what extent. I will give Rex props as it seems sure he was a big Tyrod backer. See, I CAN give Rex props! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bronc24 Posted August 13, 2016 Share Posted August 13, 2016 I loved Fitz, if we had any type of defense when he was here we may have been able to break the playoff drought. That being said there is no way he will repeat his 2015 this season. 1) he's is a inconsistent player always has been 2) there schedule is brutal We may have been in position for the playoffs, but rest assured Pickspatrick would have thrown a crippling INT in the 4th quarter of week 17 to kill that fantasy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Barbarian Posted August 13, 2016 Share Posted August 13, 2016 I think the Jets QB situation is interesting, and I like their strategy. They have Fitz, Geno, Petty and Hack. They keep investing high picks at the position and are throwing numbers at the problem, maybe one hits. It's not so much about the actual players for me, I don't really like any of them, but more the organizational strategy. QB is the most important position in all of pro sports- all teams should take this approach... ESPECIALLY a team with a near two decade long drought of anything even resembling capable play. I believe that streak is over but investment in the position needs to continue. I like the Cardale pick and I think we should continue to take one each year. IMO the lack of investment at QB is the biggest contributing factor for the playoff drought. Hopefully we can snag Petty or Hack as a backup when ej is gone and if TT doesn't pan out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
machine gun kelly Posted August 13, 2016 Share Posted August 13, 2016 I expect TT to pan out, and expect EJ plays his last year here. Next year, I can see us picking up a veteran back up. I would think we would give one more year for Cardale to develop. After two full years if he cannot at least be a viable #2, we'll draft another QB in 2018. Just guesses, but so many variables relating to TT's performance, etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted August 13, 2016 Share Posted August 13, 2016 I expect TT to pan out, and expect EJ plays his last year here. Next year, I can see us picking up a veteran back up. I would think we would give one more year for Cardale to develop. After two full years if he cannot at least be a viable #2, we'll draft another QB in 2018. Just guesses, but so many variables relating to TT's performance, etc. Suspect that is pretty much their ideal plan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted August 13, 2016 Share Posted August 13, 2016 Hopefully we can snag Petty or Hack as a backup when ej is gone and if TT doesn't pan out. It's hilarious how you bash EJ and want these 2. I guarantee you they won't come close to ever throwing as many tds as EJ has. EJ ain't the best but he's better than those two scrubs. And let's settle down laughing at Fitz, a guy who would have set a Bills record for td passes in a season and had 10 wins, something we haven't had since Flutie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdand12 Posted August 13, 2016 Share Posted August 13, 2016 (edited) It's hilarious how you bash EJ and want these 2. I guarantee you they won't come close to ever throwing as many tds as EJ has. EJ ain't the best but he's better than those two scrubs. And let's settle down laughing at Fitz, a guy who would have set a Bills record for td passes in a season and had 10 wins, something we haven't had since Flutie. the truth can be painful Edited August 13, 2016 by 3rdand12 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted August 13, 2016 Share Posted August 13, 2016 the truth can be painful I don't think Fitz is a grew qb by any stretch. But minus the Bills games, the guy had a really good year and actually beat NE. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdand12 Posted August 13, 2016 Share Posted August 13, 2016 I don't think Fitz is a grew qb by any stretch. But minus the Bills games, the guy had a really good year and actually beat NE. I was thinking of Bills lack of success. Glass houses and all ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted August 13, 2016 Share Posted August 13, 2016 I was thinking of Bills lack of success. Glass houses and all ... Haha true. It's more of an indication of how bad our Qbs are than how great Fitz was. And I was wrong about bills td Mark. Kelly threw 33 one year (17 ints) while Fitz threw 31 last year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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