Deranged Rhino Posted April 30, 2016 Share Posted April 30, 2016 not this year Exactly. EJ will play out his contract then be gone via UFA. He's going to be on the roster this year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted April 30, 2016 Share Posted April 30, 2016 Makes sense.........obviously they're moving on from EJ (first round money) to Cardale (4th round money). Seems like it's almost a pseudo cap move. I would expect EJ will be released is they can save any money by doing so. They can't save any money on EJ by cutting him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QCity Posted April 30, 2016 Share Posted April 30, 2016 It seems when the Bills evaluate QB's they look at physical size and pretty much nothing else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerball Posted April 30, 2016 Share Posted April 30, 2016 it's official Whaley has no clue how to pick QBs So, it is decided; Cardale Jones is a bust on the Buffalo Barbarian scale of QB picking? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nucci Posted April 30, 2016 Share Posted April 30, 2016 It seems when the Bills evaluate QB's they look at physical size and pretty much nothing else. what is it about Taylors size they liked? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBillsForever Posted April 30, 2016 Share Posted April 30, 2016 So the backup plan to Tyrod Taylor is Cardale Jones. LMAO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nucci Posted April 30, 2016 Share Posted April 30, 2016 So the backup plan to Tyrod Taylor is Cardale Jones. LMAO. not this year Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChan Posted April 30, 2016 Share Posted April 30, 2016 Meaning what in relation to this topic? The team needed a QB just by virtue of the numbers on the roster so far. Jones is not a threat to Taylor this year, he's going to get coached up by a couple really solid positional coaches and an OC who knows how to develop guys. I like this setup for Jones and for the Bills. If he works out, fantastic. Meaning that you don't have to "love" this pick because it makes sense on paper, if you think Cardale has terrible habits and sucks. There's a large degree of subjectivity, up to and including random gut feelings. I love the pick for some of the reasons you stated and more. But I don't think everyone should. disagreeing is not the problem. It's the arrogance that fans here know more than GMs and just hate everything the Bills do It sounds like it is, seeing as this is the first pick that poster said he hated... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBillsForever Posted April 30, 2016 Share Posted April 30, 2016 (edited) It seems when the Bills evaluate QB's they look at physical size and pretty much nothing else. This is a big part of the problem I see as well. Edited April 30, 2016 by BuffaloBillsForever Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sisyphean Bills Posted April 30, 2016 Share Posted April 30, 2016 They can't save any money on EJ by cutting him. They can save a roster spot, however. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BEAST MODE BABY! Posted April 30, 2016 Share Posted April 30, 2016 (edited) I have only one thought about this pick: YESYESYESYESYESYESYESYESYESYESYESYESYESYESYESYESYESYESYESYESYESYESYESYESYESYESYESYESYESYESYESYESYESYESYESYESYESYESYESYESYESYESYESYESYESYESYESYESYESYESYESYESYESYESYESYESYESYESYESYESYESYESYESYESYESYESYESYESYESYESYESYESYESYESYESYESYESYESYESYESYESYESYESYESYESYESYESYESYESYESYESYESYESYESYESYESYESYESYESYESYESYESYESYESYESYESYESYESYESYESYESYESYESYESYESYESYESYESYESYESYESYESYESYESYESYESYESYESYESYESYESYESYESYESYESYESYESYESYESYESYESYESYESYESYESYESYESYESYESYESYESYESYESYESYESYESYESYESYESYESYESYESYESYESYESYESYESYESYESYESYESYESYESYESYESYESYESYESYESYESYESYESYESYESYESYESYESYESYESYESYESYESYESYESYESYESYESYESYESYESYESYESYESYESYESYESYESYESYESYESYESYESYESYESYESYES Edited April 30, 2016 by BEAST MODE BABY! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nucci Posted April 30, 2016 Share Posted April 30, 2016 It sounds like it is, seeing as this is the first pick that poster said he hated... I was speaking generally about this draft...not anyone in particular..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ndirish1978 Posted April 30, 2016 Share Posted April 30, 2016 Hate this pick Hating this draft more and more Last two picks offer little to no help this year. Ragland better start and play well or Whaley is gone Oh yes you're totally right, 1st team All-American's are awful. So glad you set us straight on Adolphus Washington. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted April 30, 2016 Share Posted April 30, 2016 what is it about Taylors size they liked? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted April 30, 2016 Share Posted April 30, 2016 So, it is decided; Cardale Jones is a bust on the Buffalo Barbarian scale of QB picking? He is SO wrong SO often, that there are actual NFL personnel guys and scouts that look at this board a few times a day to get assurances on which guys have no chance and which guys have a lot of potential, based solely on the inverse of Barbarian's evaluations. It's really a shrewd way of scouting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QCity Posted April 30, 2016 Share Posted April 30, 2016 what is it about Taylors size they liked? Sorry, I should have said "Whaley" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChan Posted April 30, 2016 Share Posted April 30, 2016 (edited) I was speaking generally about this draft...not anyone in particular..... Gotcha, but my post was a direct response to someone wanting to block a poster for not liking the pick, that you quoted. Edited April 30, 2016 by FireChan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LabattBlue Posted April 30, 2016 Share Posted April 30, 2016 Wasted pick. A guy who only started a handful of games in college. At this point why even bother taking a QB. Had to be a better use for a 4th round pick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted April 30, 2016 Share Posted April 30, 2016 Meaning that you don't have to "love" this pick because it makes sense on paper, if you think Cardale has terrible habits and sucks. There's a large degree of subjectivity, up to and including random gut feelings. I love the pick for some of the reasons you stated and more. But I don't think everyone should. ... I'm not arguing that it should be universally loved, but it fills a need with a player with a very high ceiling for essentially a 5th round pick. Not sure what other QB would be a bette fit from those left on the board. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yungmack Posted April 30, 2016 Share Posted April 30, 2016 Whaley's first whiff this draft. Wasted pick who maybe...maybe...makes the practice squad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted April 30, 2016 Author Share Posted April 30, 2016 @ChrisBrownBills Whaley- Cardale is a blank canvas. Got an off. staff that can help mold him. #Bills Whaley- EJ Manuel is our No. 2 QB. #Bills Whaley - we did a lot of background work on Jones. Monos- didnt play that bad this year. Wants to be great. #Bills Monos- we had Jones here on a visit and coaches felt he had something to work with. #Bills Monos- Jones is an easy guy to write off but we put a lot of work in on him and we feel good about him. #Bills Monos- Jones need to work on reading defenses and footwork. #Bills Cardale- I felt they were interested. Coach Ryan was very honest with me. Told me if they had a chance to get me he would. #Bills Cardale- I feel like my ceiling is really high. Aren't many guys i'd rather have grooming me than #Bills QBs coach David Lee. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBillsForever Posted April 30, 2016 Share Posted April 30, 2016 Wasted pick. A guy who only started a handful of games in college. At this point why even bother taking a QB. Had to be a better use for a 4th round pick. Agree. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted April 30, 2016 Author Share Posted April 30, 2016 Whaley's first whiff this draft. Wasted pick who maybe...maybe...makes the practice squad. He'll be on the 53. No way they expose him to waivers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nucci Posted April 30, 2016 Share Posted April 30, 2016 Gotcha, but my post was a direct response to someone wanting to block a poster for not liking the pick, that you quoted. ok Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fan in Chicago Posted April 30, 2016 Share Posted April 30, 2016 it's official Whaley has no clue how to pick QBs I don't follow college football but your post just made me feel a whole lot better about this pick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Frankish Reich Posted April 30, 2016 Share Posted April 30, 2016 (edited) It seems when the Bills evaluate QB's they look at physical size and pretty much nothing else. Well, there is something in common here with EJ and Cardale -- both big, strong armed, mobile. Both not known for reading defenses ... Mayock's comps were Culpepper (good) and Skelton (not). I've also seen Logan Thomas (so far, not good). Edited April 30, 2016 by The Frankish Reich Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mannc Posted April 30, 2016 Share Posted April 30, 2016 So the backup plan to Tyrod Taylor is Cardale Jones. LMAO. Right, because Cardale certainly hasn't proven he can win coming off the bench . . . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sisyphean Bills Posted April 30, 2016 Share Posted April 30, 2016 Sorry, I should have said "Whaley" Actually, Rex Ryan is a known proponent of the idea that you break ties between players with similar draft grades by taking the bigger player. Jones is bigger than Prescott, so ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spun Posted April 30, 2016 Share Posted April 30, 2016 Cardale Jones led the Buckeyes to the National Championship two seasons ago as a third stringer. He played very well on a phenomenal team against Oregon. Last season, he struggled. He was inconsistent. He never started a full season so we can assume that he has a lot of learning to do. The Bills may have rushed Manuel. Bring Jones along slowly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBillsForever Posted April 30, 2016 Share Posted April 30, 2016 Whaley on Manuel: Big and Strong with large hands Whaley on Cardale Jones: Dat arm strength Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Talley56 Posted April 30, 2016 Share Posted April 30, 2016 No good reason to be upset about this in the 4th round. I like it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted April 30, 2016 Share Posted April 30, 2016 it's official Whaley has no clue how to pick QBsHa ha, says the guy that wanted to trade for John Skelton!! Cardale was the guy with a chance to be great. Let's see if he is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerball Posted April 30, 2016 Share Posted April 30, 2016 Way too much sniping from both sides of the aisle in this thread. I'm cleaning this thread up so quite a few posts are already gone. I will not look the other way on any garbage following this post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dorkington Posted April 30, 2016 Share Posted April 30, 2016 How so? You don't draft Cardale Jones with the last pick in the 4th round to start him. Tyrod is the unquestioned #1 on this team. Cardale was drafted to sit behind him and learn. The writing is now on the wall for EJ Manuel however. I should say a TBD QB controversy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yungmack Posted April 30, 2016 Share Posted April 30, 2016 He'll be on the 53. No way they expose him to waivers.What I am suggesting is that he will do so poorly that they won't mind exposing him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BaaadThingsMan Posted April 30, 2016 Share Posted April 30, 2016 That arm in the Ralph tho Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerball Posted April 30, 2016 Share Posted April 30, 2016 It seems when the Bills evaluate QB's they look at physical size and pretty much nothing else. That's true. If you line up Jones, Manuel and Taylor I'd be hard pressed to tell one from the other. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BaaadThingsMan Posted April 30, 2016 Share Posted April 30, 2016 Way too much sniping from both sides of the aisle in this thread. I'm cleaning this thread up so quite a few posts are already gone. I will not look the other way on any garbage following this post.good call Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reed83HOF Posted April 30, 2016 Share Posted April 30, 2016 Tyler Dunne @TyDunne 3m3 minutes ago Good point by Whaley on Cardale Jones: "He doesn't have any muscle memory already ingrained in him that's bad. So we have a piece of clay." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted April 30, 2016 Share Posted April 30, 2016 That's true. If you line up Jones, Manuel and Taylor I'd be hard pressed to tell one from the other. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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