Liberal Protests

[Boatdrinks]

29 minutes ago, Niagara Bill said:

Wow....I now understand how these issues continue for generations. 

There is nothing systemic about the actions of the officer in the Floyd incident. That’s an overused b.s buzzword. 

[leh-nerd skin-erd]

1 hour ago, Tiberius said:

The flood of guns on the streets has made life dangerous for cops, right? 

 

No wonder they shoot unarmed people, they are afraid for their lives because of guns. 

 

 

Huh? We the people? 

Tibsy, the guns are there, to have a conversation on how life might be different if guns were never invented is a waste of time. To be blunt, I'd still prefer that firearms are available for sport/protection even if we could turn back time.  Why?  See Minneapolis, Minn.  There is nothing right, fair or equitable about roving packs of scumbags burning/looting/vandalizing and victimizing, and that has nothing to do with George Floyd. 

 

As for police shooting unarmed people, you're oversimplifying the problem.  It's rare, exceptionally so, to find an officer firing on a person following the rules of society. It's so rare that we often know the name of the victim and the officer involved.   It's asking too much of an individual to perform a job at great risk to him/herself and demand they stop, look, listen, evaluate beyond a reasonable point.  I think, on average, law enforcement as a whole does a pretty remarkable job doing just that--being reasonable to a point.  Certainly there are exceptions, thankfully most don't end in death or serious injury.  

[Warren Zevon]

5 minutes ago, WhitewalkerInPhilly said:

Ya'll love a good conspiracy on here, right? Tell me this sounds crazier than Rhino's Q-Anon BS

Not saying it's true, but after hearing about Hillary's kill lists, and secret coups and the deep state it seems right up your alley

 

 

Don't worry DR is on the case. He'll have a thesis by noon PST.

[Motorin']

7 hours ago, Joe in Winslow said:

 

So let me get this right: you think a neo Nazi is going to go out to a black riot, and invite violence among the crowd?

 

Whooooo yeah. So, uh, we jigglin' er...

 

I was referring to the specific video I posted. Did you watch it and see the person in question who actually busted out the windows of the Auto Zone? 

 

I didn't say neo-nazi or skin head. I said white nationalist. And I think there are probably multiple agent provocateurs involved in a lot of the escalation in Minneapolis. 

[Niagara Bill]

3 minutes ago, Boatdrinks said:

There is nothing systemic about the actions of the officer in the Floyd incident. That’s an overused b.s buzzword. 

This is not an isolated incident...ask Kaepernick

[SectionC3]

33 minutes ago, Tiberius said:

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Minneapolis City Council Vice President Andrea Jenkins said George Floyd and fired police officer Derek Chauvin knew each other for many years because they worked security at the same night club. On Monday, Chauvin, who is white, was captured on video with a knee on Floyd’s neck. Floyd, who was black, died.

Both men worked at El Nuevo Rodeo on Lake Street before their last encounter.

“They were both bouncers at that restaurant for 17 years,” Jenkins told CNN. “So, Officer Chauvin, he knew George. They were co-workers for a really long time.”

 

 

That . . . Certainly adds another layer to the onion.  How bizarre. 

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

1 minute ago, Motorin' said:

 

I was referring to the specific video I posted. Did you watch it and see the person in question who actually busted out the windows of the Auto Zone? 

 

I didn't say neo-nazi or skin head. I said white nationalist. And I think there are probably multiple agent provocateurs involved in a lot of the escalation in Minneapolis. 

 

White nationalist = Neo Nazi.

 

Don't play euphemistic games.

 

[Boatdrinks]

3 minutes ago, Niagara Bill said:

Never ever thought you were a racist, never crossed my mind. Only know you were being way to technical in an issue which has gone past technical. Citizen vs citizen needs listening and desire to reach a national solution to what is obvious. Replace Floyd with Stephon Diggs and tell me the reaction is not different to part of the citizenry, or substitute Josh Allen as Floyd, . The CNN Newsman was arrested for nothing before the policeman. 

As a result of the judicial system not openly caring about some citizens, they protected some citizens, hiding behind a process than many sense is just a block, then caused many other citizens the loss of their business and property. Nobody won. Everyone should feel the loss. 

Riots are wrong, military police are wrong, loss of life is wrong and loss of property is wrong. Defending a process that causes this result is???

So money = privilege ? Celebrity = more attention. Welcome to the real world, full of human failings. As for the rest , no process caused any of these results. All results of acts by humans. Some definitely criminal, one very possibly criminal. 

[Prickly Pete]

6 minutes ago, Motorin' said:

 

I was referring to the specific video I posted. Did you watch it and see the person in question who actually busted out the windows of the Auto Zone? 

 

I didn't say neo-nazi or skin head. I said white nationalist. And I think there are probably multiple agent provocateurs involved in a lot of the escalation in Minneapolis. 

 

 

Everyone is responsible for their own actions.

 

Whoever that guy is, there are far more people that are obviously not "White Nationalists", looting and destroying things.

 

 

[Rob's House]

6 minutes ago, Niagara Bill said:

1.I am not a citizen lawyer or politician so what law I do not know, but you said they should have it changed.

2. I did not suggest you are defending the officers, but the response to death in Minn and Georgia are a symbol of an issue you are refusing even acknowledge so how can it be solved.

3. Lynching is death, arresting is the start of a process that shows the citizens that this obvious violent incident is being placed into the proper public judicial system. How can you not see this...stop defending the indefensible.

 

 

Consider the possibility that the problem being addressed does not exist. There is no empirical evidence supporting the theory that black men are disproportionately subject to violence at the hands of police and/or white people. 

 

The theory is supported only by a running narrative born out of a bygone era, and the occasional selectively and sensationally reported anecdotal example that appears to confirm the preconceived notion. In other words, it is supported exclusively by confirmation bias.

 

This incident is a statistical anomaly. Of course a police officer who kills someone without legal justification should be subject to criminal prosecution, but contrary to popular belief that is usually what happens.

 

Of course the police officer has some inherent advantages based purely on the circumstance of his position, but the increasingly standard use of body cams remedies much of that, and independent investigators and prosectors are routinely assigned to these cases to avoid conflicts of interest.

 

That is not to say that everything is perfect, that no black people are ever victimized, or that nothing could or should be improved, but the narrative that black men are systematically and disproportionately victimized by police and/or white people on a broad scale is a fantasy. More accurately, it is a pernicious lie that is propagated, not for the benefit of the purported victims, but to advance the interests of those who benefit from internal conflict, racial tension, and civil unrest. Those are the truly dangerous people.

[billsfan1959]

5 minutes ago, Niagara Bill said:

This is not an isolated incident...ask Kaepernick

 

What are the other incidents you are referring to that make this incident "not an isolated" one?

[Niagara Bill]

1 minute ago, Boatdrinks said:

So money = privilege ? Celebrity = more attention. Welcome to the real world, full of human failings. As for the rest , no process caused any of these results. All results of acts by humans. Some definitely criminal, one very possibly criminal. 

Then your real world will continue to have cops who kill, buildings which burn, violent protests, divided citizens, huge costs, 

You often quote the constitution, it does not mention real world, it talks of a better place to which you seem to say...f??? It thus is good enough.

[Buffalo Bills Fan]

 

Not sure the date.

 

Feel for George Floyd.   (rip man) Police should be locked up for what they did.

 

Shameful on police (arrested cnn reporter as well), for everything.

 

And the protesters as well for going way to far.  Peaceful protest much better. Both sides police and protesters. Such a shame.

[The Poojer]

 

[Boatdrinks]

2 minutes ago, Niagara Bill said:

This is not an isolated incident...ask Kaepernick

On its own, it most certainly is. There appear to be major deviations from any use of force training manual found in any P.D. in America. There’s nothing systemic about that. It’s a big country with many Police departments and incidents of improper action will arise. Especially with the volume of Police / citizen interactions on a daily basis. If the conduct is deemed improper, excessive or unlawful it will be punished. That looks to be the case in the Floyd incident, but it must take it’s course. Doesn’t look like it has anything to do with race, either. Kaep is no expert. 

[Motorin']

 

1 minute ago, Rob's House said:

 

Consider the possibility that the problem being addressed does not exist. There is no empirical evidence supporting the theory that black men are disproportionately subject to violence at the hands of police. 

 

Seriously? You mean you have an empirical study that shows there is no disproportionality, or that you haven't seen any evidence that there is? 

[Warren Zevon]

Just now, Rob's House said:

 

There is no empirical evidence supporting the theory that black men are disproportionately subject to violence at the hands of police and/or white people. 

 

 

This is incorrect. There is published evidence that does support that theory. Below is an example from last year from Rutger's University. 

 

https://www.pnas.org/content/116/34/16793

 

 

Here is the abstract.

 

We use data on police-involved deaths to estimate how the risk of being killed by police use of force in the United States varies across social groups. We estimate the lifetime and age-specific risks of being killed by police by race and sex. We also provide estimates of the proportion of all deaths accounted for by police use of force. We find that African American men and women, American Indian/Alaska Native men and women, and Latino men face higher lifetime risk of being killed by police than do their white peers. We find that Latina women and Asian/Pacific Islander men and women face lower risk of being killed by police than do their white peers. Risk is highest for black men, who (at current levels of risk) face about a 1 in 1,000 chance of being killed by police over the life course. The average lifetime odds of being killed by police are about 1 in 2,000 for men and about 1 in 33,000 for women. Risk peaks between the ages of 20 y and 35 y for all groups. For young men of color, police use of force is among the leading causes of death.

2 minutes ago, Motorin' said:

 

 

Seriously? You mean you have an empirical study that shows there is no disproportionality, or that you haven't seen any evidence that there is? 

 

He's lying or a moron.

 

Or both.

[Niagara Bill]

1 minute ago, Rob's House said:

 

Consider the possibility that the problem being addressed does not exist. There is no empirical evidence supporting the theory that black men are disproportionately subject to violence at the hands of police and/or white people. 

 

The theory is supported only by a running narrative born out of a bygone era, and the occasional selectively and sensationally reported anecdotal example that appears to confirm the preconceived notion. In other words, it is supported exclusively by confirmation bias.

 

This incident is a statistical anomaly. Of course a police officer who kills someone without legal justification should be subject to criminal prosecution, but contrary to popular belief that is usually what happens.

 

Of course the police officer has some inherent advantages based purely on the circumstance of his position, but the increasingly standard use of body cams remedies much of that, and independent investigators and prosectors are routinely assigned to these cases to avoid conflicts of interest.

 

That is not to say that everything is perfect, that no black people are ever victimized, or that nothing could or should be improved, but the narrative that black men are systematically and disproportionately victimized by police and/or white people on a broad scale is a fantasy. More accurately, it is a pernicious lie that is propagated, not for the benefit of the purported victims, but to advance the interests of those who benefit from internal conflict, racial tension, and civil unrest. Those are the truly dangerous people.

Even a perceived issue is an issue. Empirical data only ignores another problem. 

It needs to be solved. Building barriers does not. 

You actually believe that only pros are behind this?

Ok I will agree with you. 

Floyd is dead, Minn is burned, you still have the problem

[whatdrought]

For those talking about white people starting or influencing the riots:

 

1- I don’t care! Whoever it is that’s starting this and partaking in it are worthless idiots who need to be punished. Regardless of any factors. 
 

2- the problem with the “started by the white guy” theory is that it runs counter to the meta-narrative we’re seeing in the media wherein the black people protesting have every right because of injustice. Either that’s true, and we don’t need an excuses based around a white dude starting it, or it’s not true and the entire thing needs to be condemned, stopped, and punished as I mentioned above.

 

 

[WhitewalkerInPhilly]

Just saying, a cop going rogue because he wants to stir up noise to take heat off his buddy sounds less crazy than neo Nazis or foreign agents

[Boatdrinks]

3 minutes ago, Niagara Bill said:

Then your real world will continue to have cops who kill, buildings which burn, violent protests, divided citizens, huge costs, 

You often quote the constitution, it does not mention real world, it talks of a better place to which you seem to say...f??? It thus is good enough.

Not sure what your point is here. Money and celebrity bring status and influence, but that’s a human creation and not relevant at all in this case. As long as crime exists, and Cops there are going to be incidents and confrontations. Some will end in death. That is not preventable as far as I know. When rogue cops act outside the scope of their training, they will be punished with criminal charges. Protests are fine, until they become violent and violent acts such as arson and looting are indefensible. 

[Deranged Rhino]

22 minutes ago, WhitewalkerInPhilly said:

Ya'll love a good conspiracy on here, right? Tell me this sounds crazier than Rhino's Q-Anon BS

 

I'm surprised you have the (tiny) balls to show your face down here after getting every bit of Trump/Russia wrong for three years -- then running away like a coward -- only to return with... this 

 

Never stop proving how foolish you are, @WhitewalkerInPhilly. It's truly an impressive statement to NPC culture everywhere. 

 

[Golden Goat]

Didn't Barry spew some sh*t about rule of law a few weeks back? Let me guess... "That's different."

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

2 minutes ago, WhitewalkerInPhilly said:

Just saying, a cop going rogue because he wants to stir up noise to take heat off his buddy sounds less crazy than neo Nazis or foreign agents

 

It's Antifa.

 

Not a cop. Not a neo-nazi. Not a russian.

 

Antifa.

 

[Motorin']

Just now, WhitewalkerInPhilly said:

Just saying, a cop going rogue because he wants to stir up noise to take heat off his buddy sounds less crazy than neo Nazis or foreign agents

 

And you can't imagine a rouge cop actually being a white nationalist? 

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/nation/fbi-white-supremacists-in-law-enforcement

[Deranged Rhino]

2 minutes ago, WhitewalkerInPhilly said:

Just saying, a cop going rogue because he wants to stir up noise to take heat off his buddy sounds less crazy than neo Nazis or foreign agents

 

You know, except for the long, documented history of paid agitators being deployed in times like this compared to "rogue cops". 

 

But for that, you have a point  

1 minute ago, Joe in Winslow said:

 

It's Antifa.

 

Not a cop. Not a neo-nazi. Not a russian.

 

Antifa.

 

 

It doesn't matter if it's Antifa, Open Society, White Nationals -- they're all paid by the same group(s). 

[WhitewalkerInPhilly]

1 minute ago, Deranged Rhino said:

 

You know, except for the long, documented history of paid agitators being deployed in times like this compared to "rogue cops". 

 

But for that, you have a point  

 

It doesn't matter if it's Antifa, Open Society, White Nationals -- they're all paid by the same group(s). 

Hillary, Obama and a ring of pedos right? ??

[Deranged Rhino]

Kieth Ellison at the podium now... 

 

Just now, WhitewalkerInPhilly said:

Hillary, Obama and a ring of pedos right? ??

 

Trump committed treason by working with Russia, right? You swore this happened because Max Boot told you so. 

 

   

 

Go back to sleep, fukkstick. 

[Warren Zevon]

1 minute ago, WhitewalkerInPhilly said:

Hillary, Obama and a ring of pedos right? ??

 

Careful - he'll libel you in his next post.

[Prickly Pete]

24 minutes ago, The Poojer said:

 

 

 

He is a complete idiot. 

 

P.S. And half right.

 

The White Liberal HRCer's want to make this their show.

 

 

 

Edited May 29, 2020 by Prickly Pete

[Deranged Rhino]

 

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This will be interesting. Expect plenty of "reeee!"

[WhitewalkerInPhilly]

2 minutes ago, Motorin' said:

 

And you can't imagine a rouge cop actually being a white nationalist? 

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/nation/fbi-white-supremacists-in-law-enforcement

No. I find it more likely that one ####### went off on his own rather than a brilliant master plan.

 

Being a cop looking to get his murdering buddy off and being a white supremacist are not mutually exclusive

[Deranged Rhino]

Just now, WhitewalkerInPhilly said:

No. I find it more likely that one ####### went off on his own rather than a brilliant master plan.

 

Being a cop looking to get his murdering buddy off and being a white supremacist are not mutually exclusive

 

Max Boot told him this happened, so it must have. So did Rachel Maddow and Bill Krystol. 

[WhitewalkerInPhilly]

Just now, Deranged Rhino said:

 

Max Boot told him this happened, so it must have. So did Rachel Maddow and Bill Krystol. 

Who the ***** is max boot? I'm sorry I took a break from this madhouse so I missed the last month of ravings

[Boatdrinks]

3 minutes ago, Motorin' said:

 

And you can't imagine a rouge cop actually being a white nationalist? 

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/nation/fbi-white-supremacists-in-law-enforcement

Could be. A rogue cop could also be a muslim terrorist. It’s a big country with a lot of different types out there. Bottom line; they all have to follow the same rulebook. 

[dubs]

There is a 100% chance this cop is arrested and charged with a very serious crime.  Whether or not it happened a few days ago or in a few days is should largely be irrelevant to the larger objective, which is justice.

 

Everything else is just excuses and justification for behavior or political positions.

[leh-nerd skin-erd]

1 hour ago, billsfan1959 said:

 

I understand that people are pissed because he hasn't been arrested. That doesn't change my stance. Your belief that he should have been arrested immediately is simply your opinion. Many other people may share that same opinion. I might share that same opinion. The point is, we don't make those determinations and, ultimately, when he is arrested has absolutely no bearing on whether justice has been served.

 

Our legal system is an imperfect system. It may not give us what we want, when we want it; however, it is the system we have - and decisions made within that system should be, as much as possible, free of emotion.

 

Some colloquialisms make so much sense because they are so sensible.

 

"Look before you leap" always comes to mind.  The appropriate response is to move appropriately.  The reality is that had the officer been arrested on the spot, the AutoZone, Ginny's Craft Emporium and Taco Bell would likely still be smoldering.    

 

I cannot tell you how many datelines I've watched where the murdered was known, the facts clear cut, and the announcer says "Three years went by...the case growing cold...when...".    The families of those victims are no less engaged, no less emotional, no less desirous of justice. I know rationally that if GF was my brother, I'd want vengence.  I also know in a free and civilized society, I'm the last guy that should be on the jury. 

[Prickly Pete]

4 minutes ago, dubs said:

There is a 100% chance this cop is arrested and charged with a very serious crime.  Whether or not it happened a few days ago or in a few days is should largely be irrelevant to the larger objective, which is justice.

 

Everything else is just excuses and justification for behavior or political positions.

 

 

I'm expecting a slaughter at some point. I

 

 

If this continues into tonight (all indications are that it will) there is going to be at least a casualty or two.

 

Then on to the next step in the escalation.

[njbuff]

5 minutes ago, Boatdrinks said:

Could be. A rogue cop could also be a muslim terrorist. It’s a big country with a lot of different types out there. Bottom line; they all have to follow the same rulebook. 

 

It's only the white folks who are taken to racial tasks.

 

If you are white and you like to gather facts about situations, you are automatically deemed a racist.

 

No one else is held to those standards.

[MILFHUNTER#518]

1 minute ago, Prickly Pete said:

 

 

I'm expecting a slaughter at some point. I

 

 

If this continues into tonight (all indications are that it will) there is going to be at least a casualty or two.

 

Then on to the next step in the escalation.

They just announced the Natl Guard is armed with live ammo, and they have the right to use lethal force to defend themselves.