C.Biscuit97 Posted March 17, 2016 Share Posted March 17, 2016 Dray day! I hate blocking TEs. They are like kickoff specialists. Get a guy who can catch and block. The Pats always can find multiple guys like that. Why can't we? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted March 17, 2016 Share Posted March 17, 2016 Dray day! I hate blocking TEs. They are like kickoff specialists. Get a guy who can catch and block. The Pats always can find multiple guys like that. Why can't we? Clay Day! Clay Day! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdand12 Posted March 17, 2016 Share Posted March 17, 2016 (edited) Dray day! I hate blocking TEs. They are like kickoff specialists. Get a guy who can catch and block. The Pats always can find multiple guys like that. Why can't we? he can catch, why do think he cant catch? OLeary caught a nice ball last year. he can catch. Edited March 17, 2016 by 3rdand12 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted March 17, 2016 Share Posted March 17, 2016 he can catch, why do think he cant catch? OLeary caught a nice ball last year. he can catch. He has 56 catches and 3 tds in 6 years. He is no threat at all. I think next to qb, the Bills have neglected the TE position the most. TEs are game changers and a Qbs best friend, especially in the red zone. And I love O'Leary. I hope he really steps up this year but to say I was disappointed in him this year is a major understatement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdand12 Posted March 17, 2016 Share Posted March 17, 2016 (edited) He has 56 catches and 3 tds in 6 years. He is no threat at all. I think next to qb, the Bills have neglected the TE position the most. TEs are game changers and a Qbs best friend, especially in the red zone. And I love O'Leary. I hope he really steps up this year but to say I was disappointed in him this year is a major understatement. He doesn't need to be a "threat" Biscuit. he just need to catch the ball when thrown. Not everyone can be Clay. I realize blocking will be his forte but if catches just a couple balls team need to worry about his release after the chip. don't take much. too keep teams honest No one worried about Mulligan catching the ball : ( Edited March 17, 2016 by 3rdand12 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted March 17, 2016 Share Posted March 17, 2016 He doesn't need to be a "threat" Biscuit. he just need to catch the ball when thrown. Not everyone can be Clay. I realize blocking will be his forte but if catches just a couple balls team need to worry about his release after the chip. don't take much. too keep teams honest No one worried about Mulligan catching the ball : ( I get the point 3rd but the Pats have the meathead Gronk, just got Bennett, and had the murderer. We get Mulligan and Dray. We could do better. Double threats at the position would really help our qb and red zone offense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdand12 Posted March 17, 2016 Share Posted March 17, 2016 (edited) I get the point 3rd but the Pats have the meathead Gronk, just got Bennett, and had the murderer. We get Mulligan and Dray. We could do better. Double threats at the position would really help our qb and red zone offense. They do not have Sammy my friend. just a different set of match ups. Bills grind and go deep. Brady throws quick and short and a bazillion times Edited March 17, 2016 by 3rdand12 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted March 17, 2016 Share Posted March 17, 2016 I get the point 3rd but the Pats have the meathead Gronk, just got Bennett, and had the murderer. We get Mulligan and Dray. We could do better. Double threats at the position would really help our qb and red zone offense. Yeah but it took them 10 years under Belichick to get Gronk. And Gronk was only available to them because he missed his senior season with a back injury, which scared off other teams, otherwise he'd have been a 1st rounder. As for Dray, you'd need to see how many times he was targeted in the passing game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted March 17, 2016 Share Posted March 17, 2016 They do not have Sammy my friend. just a different set of match ups. Bills grind and go deep. Brady throws quick and short and a bazillion times Point taken. Personally, I like doing what successful teams do. 2 TEs open up the run game and if you have 2 good TEs, it can be a matchup nightmare in the passing game. Taylor has a weakness across the middle of the field. Guess what might help that? A 6'5" 250 lbs TE. For the record, I love Hunter Henry of Arkansas. That would give this offense some great versatily. Jmo. Yeah but it took them 10 years under Belichick to get Gronk. And Gronk was only available to them because he missed his senior season with a back injury, which scared off other teams, otherwise he'd have been a 1st rounder. As for Dray, you'd need to see how many times he was targeted in the passing game. There's probably a reason why he was targeted so little. And it's not about Dray. He's fine. And I'm very glad we got Clay and drafted O'Leary. But even before Gronk, the Pats always were loading up on TEs. They spent 1st on Graham and Watson. It's such a valuable position and helps your offense so much. It's crazy teams don't see how successful NE is and try to copy it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdand12 Posted March 17, 2016 Share Posted March 17, 2016 Point taken. Personally, I like doing what successful teams do. 2 TEs open up the run game and if you have 2 good TEs, it can be a matchup nightmare in the passing game. Taylor has a weakness across the middle of the field. Guess what might help that? A 6'5" 250 lbs TE. For the record, I love Hunter Henry of Arkansas. That would give this offense some great versatily. Jmo. There's probably a reason why he was targeted so little. And it's not about Dray. He's fine. And I'm very glad we got Clay and drafted O'Leary. But even before Gronk, the Pats always were loading up on TEs. They spent 1st on Graham and Watson. It's such a valuable position and helps your offense so much. It's crazy teams don't see how successful NE is and try to copy it. I wonder how many 2 and 3 TE sets Roman actually ran last year. I know he ran a bunch of bunch sets and he likes to move them pre snap with motion. But i rarely take notice of each receiver. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted March 17, 2016 Share Posted March 17, 2016 I wonder how many 2 and 3 TE sets Roman actually ran last year. I know he ran a bunch of bunch sets and he likes to move them pre snap with motion. But i rarely take notice of each receiver. Think about Roman in SF. He had Vernon Davis and Delani Walker, who was a top 5 TE this year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted March 17, 2016 Share Posted March 17, 2016 There's probably a reason why he was targeted so little. And it's not about Dray. He's fine. And I'm very glad we got Clay and drafted O'Leary. But even before Gronk, the Pats always were loading up on TEs. They spent 1st on Graham and Watson. It's such a valuable position and helps your offense so much. It's crazy teams don't see how successful NE is and try to copy it. I see Dray as mostly a blocking TE, but I don't think he would be a non-factor in the passing game. Mulligan is. And true, BB has been trying to find a good TE since his Cleveland days (I remember him blowing a gasket on draft day when the Jets took Kyle Brady). But Watson and Graham weren't very good, which shows it's not easy finding a dominant one like Gronk. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdand12 Posted March 17, 2016 Share Posted March 17, 2016 (edited) Think about Roman in SF. He had Vernon Davis and Delani Walker, who was a top 5 TE this year. Biscuit i only watch Bills football. That is why i depend on folks like you for enlightenment ! ps who is this Hunter Henry kid ? Edited March 17, 2016 by 3rdand12 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YattaOkasan Posted March 17, 2016 Share Posted March 17, 2016 Think about Roman in SF. He had Vernon Davis and Delani Walker, who was a top 5 TE this year. I see this as good depth insurance. Worst case scenario we have a big blocker in the redzone and someone who shows he can catch when the defense forgets about him (Also knows G-Ro system so he might be more sneaky now). I like the idea of hunter henry too. What round has he been forecasted to be picked? If we pick him up and wins the second TE position then I would be happy to cut the Dray and Shady rap meme. Until I have at least the meme and a blocking TE. Its the offseason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manther Posted March 17, 2016 Share Posted March 17, 2016 Point taken. Personally, I like doing what successful teams do. 2 TEs open up the run game and if you have 2 good TEs, it can be a matchup nightmare in the passing game. How can we pull and sweep all game if we have two TEs streaking up the middle? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted March 17, 2016 Share Posted March 17, 2016 (edited) Biscuit i only watch Bills football. That is why i depend on folks like you for enlightenment ! ps who is this Hunter Henry kid ? http://www.nfl.com/draft/2016/profiles/hunter-henry?id=2555341 I love guys who are just as good receivers as blockers. I think he could be a difference maker. I see this as good depth insurance. Worst case scenario we have a big blocker in the redzone and someone who shows he can catch when the defense forgets about him (Also knows G-Ro system so he might be more sneaky now). I like the idea of hunter henry too. What round has he been forecasted to be picked? If we pick him up and wins the second TE position then I would be happy to cut the Dray and Shady rap meme. Until I have at least the meme and a blocking TE. Its the offseason. Good post. Hunter seems to be the number 1 TE across the board and I've seen late 1st or 2nd. He could be there for us and he would help with RT. Edited March 17, 2016 by C.Biscuit97 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdand12 Posted March 17, 2016 Share Posted March 17, 2016 How can we pull and sweep all game if we have two TEs streaking up the middle? not bad Manther! but don't knock it. The pull and sweep I mean lolz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YattaOkasan Posted March 17, 2016 Share Posted March 17, 2016 http://www.nfl.com/draft/2016/profiles/hunter-henry?id=2555341 I love guys who are just as good receivers as blockers. I think he could be a difference maker. Good post. Hunter seems to be the number 1 TE across the board and I've seen late 1st or 2nd. He could be there for us and he would help with RT. Just read about him and seems like a good Roman fit. I don't think we'll reach for him this year because of our defensive needs. Since TE's are not hot commodities and Roman needs so many, I think I would like us to spend a mid/late round draft pick on TE until we have a #2 that we can use in the redzone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdand12 Posted March 17, 2016 Share Posted March 17, 2016 http://www.nfl.com/draft/2016/profiles/hunter-henry?id=2555341 I love guys who are just as good receivers as blockers. I think he could be a difference maker. Good post. Hunter seems to be the number 1 TE across the board and I've seen late 1st or 2nd. He could be there for us and he would help with RT. geez maybe i am just football intuitive or something ha ha ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Big Cat Posted March 17, 2016 Share Posted March 17, 2016 (edited) Point taken. Personally, I like doing what successful teams do. 2 TEs open up the run game and if you have 2 good TEs, it can be a matchup nightmare in the passing game. Taylor has a weakness across the middle of the field. Guess what might help that? A 6'5" 250 lbs TE. If every team could throw the ball 60 times a game effectively, they would. Brady/Edleman/Gronk are an unorthodox trio, to say the least. I think you're being hasty calling it a "weakness." Roman calls a risk-aversed, QB friendly offense. At least he has. But he's also always had developmental guys. One of the following his true: Taylor is unable to go over the middle Taylor is unwilling to go over the middle Roman doesn't run routes over the middle. I'm not so bold as to sign off on a single one of these (sound familiar, Rex haters?). Why? Because: Taylor is a running threat, so teams station a guy in the short center field to spy him. When they mixed/opened it up in week 17 for Sammy, they did A LOT of stuff over the middle with success. When he did go over the middle in other times (think game-winning strike to Clay (x 2 (he dropped one of them)) against Houston, he HAS been successful Given these factors, I think it's wrong to say TT "can't" go over the middle. Or is "weak" over the middle. Edited March 17, 2016 by The Big Cat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Posted March 17, 2016 Share Posted March 17, 2016 Great signing. I like everything I have read about Dray. This is from 3 years ago(his best season statistically) Dray can catch the ball, too. In a career-best 15 starts last season, he achieved career highs for receptions (26), receiving yards (215), and touchdowns (two). He also caught every pass thrown his way, according to analysts at ProFootballFocus.com. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punching Bag Posted March 17, 2016 Share Posted March 17, 2016 Dray day! I hate blocking TEs. They are like kickoff specialists. Get a guy who can catch and block. The Pats always can find multiple guys like that. Why can't we? Well what do we have they don't? Besides you I mean. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted March 17, 2016 Author Share Posted March 17, 2016 He doesn't need to be a "threat" Biscuit. he just need to catch the ball when thrown. Not everyone can be Clay. I realize blocking will be his forte but if catches just a couple balls team need to worry about his release after the chip. don't take much. too keep teams honest No one worried about Mulligan catching the ball : ( except the Texans! Oops. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Niagara Bill Posted March 17, 2016 Share Posted March 17, 2016 This guy will be helpful opps I mean loyal to our head coach to contribute to his legacy of being a players coach. His career has been so impressive the news article quoted his college stats from 5 years ago rather than say he had no positive effect on Cleveland Browns and was cut. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simpleman Posted March 17, 2016 Share Posted March 17, 2016 He has 56 catches and 3 tds in 6 years. He is no threat at all. I think next to qb, the Bills have neglected the TE position the most. TEs are game changers and a Qbs best friend, especially in the red zone. And I love O'Leary. I hope he really steps up this year but to say I was disappointed in him this year is a major understatement. But.. But. 6 receptions, for 61 yards on 16 targets, 0 tds last year. Not good enough to make THE BROWNS team this year. Doesn't that threaten you? LOL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted March 17, 2016 Author Share Posted March 17, 2016 He looks like a guy named Jim Dray Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain_Quint Posted March 17, 2016 Share Posted March 17, 2016 He looks like a guy named Jim Dray He looks like he just took his kids to the park. #gooddad Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted March 17, 2016 Author Share Posted March 17, 2016 He looks like he just took his kids to the park. #gooddad I bet he took them to DQ afterwards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted March 17, 2016 Share Posted March 17, 2016 I see Dray as mostly a blocking TE, but I don't think he would be a non-factor in the passing game. Mulligan is. And true, BB has been trying to find a good TE since his Cleveland days (I remember him blowing a gasket on draft day when the Jets took Kyle Brady). But Watson and Graham weren't very good, which shows it's not easy finding a dominant one like Gronk. He found 2 in the same draft. And Ben Watson has been more productive than any Bills TE in decades. In his 12th season he put up 74 catches, 825 yards and 6 TDs. He's 30th in receptions among all active receivers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SWATeam Posted March 17, 2016 Share Posted March 17, 2016 He found 2 in the same draft. And Ben Watson has been more productive than any Bills TE in decades. In his 12th season he put up 74 catches, 825 yards and 6 TDs. He's 30th in receptions among all active receivers. Fantastic Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
papazoid Posted March 17, 2016 Share Posted March 17, 2016 Dray can catch the ball, too. He caught every pass thrown his way, according to analysts at ProFootballFocus.com. probably wide open, unguarded. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Santana Posted March 17, 2016 Share Posted March 17, 2016 He looks like he just took his kids to the park. #gooddad lmao he really does Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
l< j Posted March 17, 2016 Share Posted March 17, 2016 Why? They couldn't get a Surrey with a fringe on top? Nice. That was like a double reverse flea flicker. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted March 17, 2016 Share Posted March 17, 2016 (edited) He found 2 in the same draft. And Ben Watson has been more productive than any Bills TE in decades. In his 12th season he put up 74 catches, 825 yards and 6 TDs. He's 30th in receptions among all active receivers. And again, it took him 15 years as a HC to do it, and got them because other teams had concerns about them (some weren't duped). And what Watson did last year with the Saints means nothing WRT this discussion. Edited March 17, 2016 by Doc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdand12 Posted March 17, 2016 Share Posted March 17, 2016 He looks like he just took his kids to the park. #gooddad and this is the guy talking about smashmouth football ? I don't think sooo this is the guy that surely did take the kids to DQ, and got sprinkles on top. ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted March 17, 2016 Share Posted March 17, 2016 again its what can he give us for the amount he is gonna get paid...... Can he catch a ball every now and then when everyone else is covered Can he he block? Because if he can that gives us two TEs that can actually block Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Jokeman Posted March 17, 2016 Share Posted March 17, 2016 As long as he costs less and commits less penalties than Ler Smith this is a solid depth signing which we lacked for years in previous regimes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SWATeam Posted March 17, 2016 Share Posted March 17, 2016 I have a feeling this is going to be a player that fans like Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain_Quint Posted March 18, 2016 Share Posted March 18, 2016 I have a feeling this is going to be a player that fans like Really? Im feeling whipping boy. Like a bald mulligan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdand12 Posted March 18, 2016 Share Posted March 18, 2016 again its what can he give us for the amount he is gonna get paid...... Can he catch a ball every now and then when everyone else is covered Can he he block? Because if he can that gives us two TEs that can actually block lack of penalties alone could make him valuable ! BTW who is the first guy that can block? I have a feeling this is going to be a player that fans like I like them fine, till i don't Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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