GunnerBill Posted March 5, 2016 Share Posted March 5, 2016 Yes I am not trying to suggest physical decline isn't in the mix as a reason - but I think 2016 will give us a better idea of how much if at all that played in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Big Cat Posted March 5, 2016 Share Posted March 5, 2016 good post BC. I thought these as metrics to compare against . You have done a nice job breaking out Peppers. I have a great deal of respect for julius and Jared. different players and different people then Mario Williams. thanks! Yeah, simply put, I don't think Mario can accomplish in the next four years what Peppers has in his last four years. Namely, I don't think Mario has another 36 sacks in him, period. I could be wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdand12 Posted March 5, 2016 Share Posted March 5, 2016 Yeah, simply put, I don't think Mario can accomplish in the next four years what Peppers has in his last four years. Namely, I don't think Mario has another 36 sacks in him, period. I could be wrong. But in the right scheme....... Peppers is a rather amazing player in a couple of ways. Gotta give respect to the Man Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted March 5, 2016 Share Posted March 5, 2016 (edited) Yeah, simply put, I don't think Mario can accomplish in the next four years what Peppers has in his last four years. Namely, I don't think Mario has another 36 sacks in him, period. I could be wrong. I agree with that. I think even if someone gets another good year out of him in 2016 (which I think is possible) the returns will diminish pretty quickly from there. Which was the original plan of the Bills deal one would presume. If they could have found a way to pay him in 2016 it was always a deal with a pretty easy out this time next year. Edited March 5, 2016 by GunnerBill Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boater Posted March 5, 2016 Share Posted March 5, 2016 Wow. What some people are willing to do to push their narrative . . . . Yeah, no kidding. A guy (or gal) wishes against their home team.. to prove a point. If I were proven wrong on my posts, and yet the Bills were successful, I'd be a happy man. Wishing the Bills failure to make a point.. then you just aren't a fan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K-9 Posted March 5, 2016 Share Posted March 5, 2016 Personally, I think the Mario/Peppers comparison is kinda lazy. Mario Williams and Julius are two entirely different kind of athletes. Both of them elite. But Mario Williams never walked onto a Final Four basketball team and did wild **** like this: Mario and Peppers are the same size and they play the same position. But in terms of shear athleticism, Mario really couldn't ever hold a candle to Peppers. So I don't think we can reasonably project Mario's longevity because of what Peppers has accomplished. In each their first 10 seasons: Mario played in 145 games, Peppers 152. Peppers had 100 sacks, Mario 96. Mario had 308 tackles, Peppers 385. Mario has never had an interception, Peppers at 7 in his first 10 years. Mario was borderline useless a lot year. Was it scheme? Was it insubordination? Was it his physical decline? I don't think we definitively know the answer, to be honest. But wherever the truth lies (and we'll have a pretty good idea by this time next year), I reckon physical decline will be in the mix. I agree MW was never the B-ball player Peppers was, but in terms of sheer athleticism, I give the edge to Mario. One of the best combine performances in history bears that out. What he did at 6'7" and 295 pounds is scary. He was bigger, quicker, and more explosive. And that's what pisses me off most about Mario. If football was ever his passion, who knows what he may have accomplished and he accomplished quite a bit as it is. He could have EXCELLED in Ryan's defense if he wasn't resigned to not trying. GO BILLS!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted March 6, 2016 Author Share Posted March 6, 2016 (edited) I agree MW was never the B-ball player Peppers was, but in terms of sheer athleticism, I give the edge to Mario. One of the best combine performances in history bears that out. What he did at 6'7" and 295 pounds is scary. He was bigger, quicker, and more explosive. And that's what pisses me off most about Mario. If football was ever his passion, who knows what he may have accomplished and he accomplished quite a bit as it is. He could have EXCELLED in Ryan's defense if he wasn't resigned to not trying. GO BILLS!!! that is what it seems a lot of bills fans don't realize. Rex's scheme is a great fit for Mario's strengths. Mario stubbornly chose not to take advantage of that. Edited March 6, 2016 by YoloinOhio Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dopey Posted March 6, 2016 Share Posted March 6, 2016 This is a massive distortion of history. Houston couldn't tag him because it would've mandated a minimum 20% increase over his $22M compensation from the previous year; he wasn't "let go". He wanted to test the market and they couldn't tag him for $26M. There were indeed other bidders. He was scheduled to visit Tennessee (and Atlanta after that), but Buffalo put the full-court press on and signed him before he got there. It was never an issue of money--he was going to get the richest deal for a defensive player ever regardless of where he signed. It was a coup. Do you not remember the astonishment throughout the media that Buffalo landed the most prized FA on the market? Stop making sense around here. Mario is this year's whipping boy and a way to deflect how bad of a job Rexy did. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dopey Posted March 6, 2016 Share Posted March 6, 2016 that is what it seems a lot of bills fans don't realize. Rex's scheme is a great fit for Mario's strengths. Mario stubbornly chose not to take advantage of that.So what's the excuse for the rest of the defense? Mario was clear and made sense when he said if it was just his play, fine. But this was across the board. The whole defense regressed and the reason was plain as day. Rex put our whole defense in a bad position, literally and figuratively. Mario is gone,leave him be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CommonCents Posted March 6, 2016 Share Posted March 6, 2016 that is what it seems a lot of bills fans don't realize. Rex's scheme is a great fit for Mario's strengths. Mario stubbornly chose not to take advantage of that. Wish someone had a link to that video of OTA's in which Rex and Thurman were drooling over Mario's skill set. ...then reality sets in and you have a player making how much? I'd have to guess, was he making 20 percent of the starting D's payroll? He decided against the scheme and providing a professional effort thus that money was wasted. Teams have very few impact players they can dedicate high $'s too, Mario was one of them. When you get an exception like Mario and then add in another high priced player being injured (Kyle) suddenly the ceiling is much much lower. We can pretend that Mario's mindset and performance didn't affect Rex or his teammates but it would only be fair to say that is being color blind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
section122 Posted March 6, 2016 Share Posted March 6, 2016 So what's the excuse for the rest of the defense? Mario was clear and made sense when he said if it was just his play, fine. But this was across the board. The whole defense regressed and the reason was plain as day. Rex put our whole defense in a bad position, literally and figuratively. Mario is gone,leave him be. No less than 2 times in this thread have I pointed out how many games were lost by major contributors on this defense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eball Posted March 6, 2016 Share Posted March 6, 2016 No less than 2 times in this thread have I pointed out how many games were lost by major contributors on this defense. Reading comprehension is hard. It was all Rex's fault -- just give up and wait until fall, like I've decided to do. Not worth the effort. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted March 6, 2016 Share Posted March 6, 2016 @RapSheet In Miami, Mario Williams stayed the night. He has other visits, but #Dolphins can keep him from taking them. And Charles Johnson visits #NYG Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheFunPolice Posted March 6, 2016 Share Posted March 6, 2016 Him going to Miami is fine with me. Since he was gone anyway, he could chip in to help stop NE* from winning the division by December 1st, and it would make the Miami games a lot more interesting like they used to be! Withe the Jets looking tough, if the Bills and Dolphins can step up maybe NE* won't just win 12-13 games and have a 1st round bye locked up with weeks still to go in the season Time for them to have to earn it in this division! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
What a Tuel Posted March 6, 2016 Share Posted March 6, 2016 (edited) Max Himmelrich@HimmelrichNFL Mario Williams will be taking a physical with the #Dolphins today. They want to make sure he checks out before contract discussion. https://twitter.com/HimmelrichNFL/status/706507097614069762 Max Himmelrich@HimmelrichNF This does not mean Mario Williams is signing in Miami. It simply means that they will be taking a deeper look today. https://twitter.com/HimmelrichNFL/status/706509259278692353 Edited March 6, 2016 by What a Tuel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nihilarian Posted March 6, 2016 Share Posted March 6, 2016 that is what it seems a lot of bills fans don't realize. Rex's scheme is a great fit for Mario's strengths. Mario stubbornly chose not to take advantage of that. Wow, you couldn't be more wrong! If Mario was used in a one-gap scheme like Wade Phillips runs, then you would be correct. Ryan didn't use Mario as his edge rusher as that job went to Jerry Hughes who is 6'2'' 253 and even then Hughes didn't actually rush nearly as much as he did in Schwartz's scheme. Mario who is 6'6'' 290 was used as the 2 two gap DE who is supposed to wrestle the OT and was asked to not rush the passer. So when guys like Mike Mayock say "his best fit is as a 5 technique end" they mean that the player can play this position. Typically these guys are: Near or over 300 lbs. 280 is small for a 5 tech. Romeo liked his DEs to be enormous (320+ lbs). Physical and strong Able to play two gaps versus the run; able to shoot their hands right up into an offensive tackle's chest, stand him up, and then shed his block and move to either side of him to make a tackle. More intelligent or good at getting a read on what the offense is doing Not necessarily extremely quick or athletic, though this can be a bonus http://www.dawgsbynature.com/2011/4/11/2082375/draft-terminology-the-three-technique-and-the-five-technique Realistically neither Mario or Hughes are a fit in Ryan's 3-4 scheme. Then, asking players who were paid huge amounts of money to rush the passer and they do it so well they make the pro bowl. Then the very next year have them play in a two gap system most of the season was more than lame. What's even more problematic is that neither Kyle Williams nor Marcell Dareus will be a fit in his 3-4 either and the Bills will eventually need to revamp that entire line to fit what the scheme he is determined to run. Like I've posted repeatedly, the sole reason the Bills were 31st in sacks in 2015 was because of the scheme Ryan ran almost all season, nothing more, nothing less. If you honestly want to get a better understanding of what happened with the defense in 2015, then read this http://www.sbnation.com/2015/10/21/9581575/mario-williams-marcell-dareus-rex-ryan-buffalo-bills-defense If you don't care to know and would prefer just rolling with the ongoing narrative that it was Mario's fault and Mario quit on the team, then have at it. So what's the excuse for the rest of the defense? Mario was clear and made sense when he said if it was just his play, fine. But this was across the board. The whole defense regressed and the reason was plain as day. Rex put our whole defense in a bad position, literally and figuratively. Mario is gone, leave him be. Should Mario end up with a team like the Carolina Panthers to be that 4-3 edge rusher he will do fine for a few more years and if for some reason he loses the ability to be an every-down DE. I'm sure he will do well as a 3rd down rushing specialist. I just hope he doesn't end up a Dolphin, Jet or Patriot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
What a Tuel Posted March 6, 2016 Share Posted March 6, 2016 If you don't care to know and would prefer just rolling with the ongoing narrative that it was Mario's fault and Mario quit on the team, then have at it. Mario did quit on the team. It isn't a narrative. He quit. That doesn't explain away the rest of the defensive performance, it is just stating the facts - Mario quit. This narrative that he is a scapegoat is tiring. He did not play to the level of his fellow defensive lineman who were all playing under the same scheme. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boyst Posted March 6, 2016 Share Posted March 6, 2016 they have a number of holes. ryan tannehole? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted March 6, 2016 Share Posted March 6, 2016 @JosinaAnderson Mario Williams just told me he had breakfast w/ #Dolphins this am. Leaves today. Received impression owner & staff on same page w/ direction Mario only ate half of his breakfast. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter Posted March 6, 2016 Share Posted March 6, 2016 This could work out great for the Bills: Dolphins sign Mario to a huge contract with a lot of guarantied money. Dolphins are unable to afford Vernon or Wake. Mario does his version of the Doug Marrone for the Dolphins in 2016 as he did for the Bills in 2015. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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