New Orleans To Remove Excremental Rebel Monuments

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

3 hours ago, SectionC3 said:

He’s an aristocrat who took advantage of poor, dumb white guys.  No surprise that he’s beloved by some here. 

Yep founding father of Democratic Party… it’s interesting they’ve evolved “social programs” that continue their supremacist  ideology  of top down control hidden as helping those they consider inferior. 

[Irv]

5 hours ago, Tiberius said:

Ya, nice move that Pickett's Charge there. Brilliant! Fought a rebellion for slavery. 

 

Do you like him because he was so racist he helped kill thousands of American soldiers, helped drag more into the hell of slavery and worked to undermine the freeing of others. Great guy, if you are a total racist 

You’re funny.  You must have skipped history prior to dropping out of high school and moving in with your step mom. 

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

5 minutes ago, Irv said:

You’re funny.  You must have skipped history prior to dropping out of high school and moving in with your step mom. 

That’s always what I pictured too… and a reader’s digest subscription and big pile of maxim magazines 

[B-Man]

14 hours ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said:

 

That’s always what I pictured too… and a reader’s digest subscription and big pile of maxim Glamour magazines 

 

Fixed

[716er]

Is Bon-Ton Man sad Robert E. Lee got removed?

Edited September 11, 2021 by 716er

[B-Man]

4 minutes ago, 716er said:

Is Bon-Ton Man sad Robert E. Lee got removed?

 

 

Is 716'er so simple that he can't grasp the argument about other statues being pulled down also ?

 

 

(Rhetorical)

[Irv]

8 minutes ago, B-Man said:

 

 

Is 716'er so simple that he can't grasp the argument about other statues being pulled down also ?

 

 

(Rhetorical)

 

Yes.  Class A Simpleton.  

[Irv]

18 hours ago, SectionC3 said:

He’s an aristocrat who took advantage of poor, dumb white guys.  No surprise that he’s beloved by some here. 

You’ve described Demented Biden to a T!

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

15 minutes ago, Irv said:

You’ve described Demented Biden to a T!

Pretty much most politicians imo

[Big Blitz]

Good spot for this considering the goals of the people that want to take down statues are Maoists:

 

 

Abimael Guzman, founder of Peruvian rebel group Shining Path, dies at 86

 

LIMA, Sept 11 (Reuters) - Abimael Guzman, leader of the Shining Path rebels who nearly toppled the Peruvian state in a bloody Maoist revolution, died on Saturday while in prison and following several weeks of poor health, the government said. He was 86.

 

Guzman was captured in 1992 in Lima and jailed for the rest of his life after being convicted as a terrorist.

 

https://www.reuters.com/world/americas/abimael-guzman-founder-peruvian-rebel-group-shining-path-dies-86-2021-09-11/

 

 

 

The Shining Path on human rights per wik:

 

"We start by not ascribing to either the Universal Declaration of Human Rights or the Costa Rica [Convention on Human Rights], but we have used their legal devices to unmask and denounce the old Peruvian state. [...]

 

For us, human rights are contradictory to the rights of the people, because we base rights in man as a social product, not man as an abstract with innate rights. "Human rights" do not exist except for the bourgeois man, a position that was at the forefront of feudalism, like liberty, equality, and fraternity were advanced for the bourgeoisie of the past.

 

But today, since the appearance of the proletariat as an organized class in the Communist Party, with the experience of triumphant revolutions, with the construction of socialism, new democracy and the dictatorship of the proletariat, it has been proven that human rights serve the oppressor class and the exploiters who run the imperialist and landowner-bureaucratic states.

 

Bourgeois states in general. [...] Our position is very clear. We reject and condemn human rights because they are bourgeois, reactionary, counterrevolutionary rights, and are today a weapon of revisionists and imperialists, principally Yankee imperialists.

 

— Communist Party of Peru – Shining Path, Sobre las Dos Colinas

 

 

 

 

 

[BillStime]

 

[Thurmal34]

It’s so easy to chart the rubes that defend slavery. So - much - white- supremacy

[Tiberius]

On 9/10/2021 at 8:11 PM, Irv said:

You’re funny.  You must have skipped history prior to dropping out of high school and moving in with your step mom. 

I think it's funny you pretending knowing what you are talking about. No wonder you worship Slave warrior Robert Lee. Traitor, pro-slavery warrior and loser 

[B-Man]

https://althouse.blogspot.com/2021/09/the-statue-of-hans-christian-heg.html

 

 

WHEN WOKE CULTURE IS DEFEATED: 

 

The statue of Hans Christian Heg, restored to its place of honor at the Wisconsin Capitol.

 

It helps that wokies are idiots, of course.

 

 

[Buffarukus]

i see time and again in this thread if you are against a statues removal then you are automatically FOR the person  or ideas it represents. what a narrow way to approach this topic.

 

its true, some see statues as a tributes, while other see them as a reminder. there's a difference. then there are those that wish to see neither. whichever one you see tells me who you are and what you stand for.  i like that alot better then hiding ones intentions secretly. but this country is now about FEELING safe and virtuous. so the third option is what we get.

 

im curious. should people want to see the pyramids removed? they were built by slaves, correct? dont look into what the mayan temples were used for. get the tnt and demo crew ready now. funny how millions of tourist come to see it. so many bigots who agree with sacrificial murder of slaves! how about the remnants of Auschwitz? why do jewish people want that place to stand? i can keep going on and on since humans, all of them, come from brutally violent backgrounds. wouldnt it be nice just to bury it all and act like it never happened. to learn history from a story. one that can be changed at will. no need for the actual physical remnants. ill just take your word for it.  🙄

 

i wonder what future generations should never be reminded of? all the oppressive culture we are in right now. a history that included a bunch of entitled people who typed out arguments on little boxes they obtained from slave/child labor. that's just the tip of the iceberg. we should probably save our grand children time and energy and ask to be buried in unmarked graves now.

 

 

Edited September 27, 2021 by Buffarukus

[Irv]

7 hours ago, Buffarukus said:

i see time and again in this thread if you are against a statues removal then you are automatically FOR the person  or ideas it represents. what a narrow way to approach this topic.

 

its true, some see statues as a tributes, while other see them as a reminder. there's a difference. then there are those that wish to see neither. whichever one you see tells me who you are and what you stand for.  i like that alot better then hiding ones intentions secretly. but this country is now about FEELING safe and virtuous. so the third option is what we get.

 

im curious. should people want to see the pyramids removed? they were built by slaves, correct? dont look into what the mayan temples were used for. get the tnt and demo crew ready now. funny how millions of tourist come to see it. so many bigots who agree with sacrificial murder of slaves! how about the remnants of Auschwitz? why do jewish people want that place to stand? i can keep going on and on since humans, all of them, come from brutally violent backgrounds. wouldnt it be nice just to bury it all and act like it never happened. to learn history from a story. one that can be changed at will. no need for the actual physical remnants. ill just take your word for it.  🙄

 

i wonder what future generations should never be reminded of? all the oppressive culture we are in right now. a history that included a bunch of entitled people who typed out arguments on little boxes they obtained from slave/child labor. that's just the tip of the iceberg. we should probably save our grand children time and energy and ask to be buried in unmarked graves now.

 

 

 

This is likely the best post on TBD this year.  With Demented Biden and Hyena Harris, we'll be lucky to have any statues left.  They should be putting up more statues of leaders like Robert E. Lee, rather than taking them down. But with these two morons "America Last" agenda we are stuck with epic idiocy and ongoing failure.

 

What

A

Mess      

[Tiberius]

I watched the Sapranos episode about Christopher Columbus over the weekend. Funny as hell! 

[B-Man]

and the beat goes on..........

 

WARM UP THE AIRBRUSHES, COMRADES: 

 

Penn removes suffragette’s name from ‘feminist’ center to prioritize ‘inclusiveness’.

 

Can't wait to see who gets forced to move out first, because you know it will happen. My money's on the ladies.

 

https://www.campusreform.org/article?id=18212

 

 

 

[B-Man]

 

 

It's just about "Confederate Generals".......

 

I f you object you must support slavery -- Liberal geniuses.

 

 

 

Per the New York Post, the city’s Public Design Commission has listed “the long term loan” of the 1833 painted plaster statue of the author of the Declaration of Independence to the New York Historical Society on its “consent” agenda for Monday. Doing so means that removal of the statue will not be up for public debate. Instead, members of the commission will vote on the statue’s removal once they’ve reviewed public comments.

 

Those comments should be…interesting.

 

The Jefferson statue was gifted to the city in 1834 by Uriah Phillips Levy, an officer of the Navy, and passed to the historical society by way of an “indefinite” loan. The statue is expected to be removed by October 21st. Unfortunately, New Yorkers will have to wait another few months to say the same about de Blasio.

 

https://www.outkick.com/mayor-de-blasio-calls-for-removal-of-thomas-jefferson-statue/

[B-Man]

 

 

 

[B-Man]

 

So now it's Thomas Jefferson's turn

By Monica Showalter

 

https://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2021/10/new_york_city_commission_votes_to_remove_thomas_jeffersons_statue_from_city_hall_premises.html

 

 

 

 

 

Flashback: Trump Predicted The Left Would Eventually Go After Statues Of Thomas Jefferson (Video)

by Mike LaChance

 

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2021/10/flashback-trump-predicted-left-eventually-go-statues-thomas-jefferson-video/

 

 

[Tiberius]

On 10/15/2021 at 11:01 AM, B-Man said:

 

 

It's just about "Confederate Generals".......

 

I f you object you must support slavery -- Liberal geniuses.

 

 

 

Per the New York Post, the city’s Public Design Commission has listed “the long term loan” of the 1833 painted plaster statue of the author of the Declaration of Independence to the New York Historical Society on its “consent” agenda for Monday. Doing so means that removal of the statue will not be up for public debate. Instead, members of the commission will vote on the statue’s removal once they’ve reviewed public comments.

 

Those comments should be…interesting.

 

The Jefferson statue was gifted to the city in 1834 by Uriah Phillips Levy, an officer of the Navy, and passed to the historical society by way of an “indefinite” loan. The statue is expected to be removed by October 21st. Unfortunately, New Yorkers will have to wait another few months to say the same about de Blasio.https://www.outkick.com/mayor-de-blasio-calls-for-removal-of-thomas-jefferson-statue/

You don't think we should honor Confederate Generals, do you? Racist traitors, right? 

 

Your little mind can at least admit that, right? Or does that violate your racist solidarity? 

[B-Man]

1 hour ago, Tiberius said:

You don't think we should honor Confederate Generals, do you? Racist traitors, right? 

 

Your little mind can at least admit that, right? Or does that violate your racist solidarity? 

 

 

Can you get it through YOUR little mind.

 

It is NOT about Confederate generals anymore ?   if it ever was.

 

and everyone here KNOWS that you can't admit  that to yourself.

 

 

 

The author of the Declaration of Independence is being removed from City Hall, wake up !

 

 

[Tiberius]

5 minutes ago, B-Man said:

 

 

Can you get it through YOUR little mind.

 

It is NOT about Confederate generals anymore ?   if it ever was.

 

and everyone here KNOWS that you can't admit  that to yourself.

 

 

 

The author of the Declaration of Independence is being removed from City Hall, wake up !

 

 

No, but you agree removing those racist traitor's monuments was the right thing to do? Right? 

[SectionC3]

1 hour ago, B-Man said:

 

 

Can you get it through YOUR little mind.

 

It is NOT about Confederate generals anymore ?   if it ever was.

 

and everyone here KNOWS that you can't admit  that to yourself.

 

 

 

The author of the Declaration of Independence is being removed from City Hall, wake up !

 

 

 

He also was one of the most notorious racists of his era.  So maybe he’s not someone who should be venerated in that location.  Or, perhaps the veneration should tell the whole story, namely, that he was a timeless political theorist, that he bravely prepared the Declaration of Independence, that the nation is indebted to his courage and loquaciousness, and that, in his view, life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness were not available to almost all African-Americans in that time.  

 

Either way, I believe in the choice as to who we venerate.  And somebody chose not to venerate Thomas Jefferson anymore.  Such is life.  

[B-Man]

5 minutes ago, SectionC3 said:

 

He also was one of the most notorious racists of his era.

(False) 

 

Either way, I believe in the choice as to who we venerate.  And somebody chose not to venerate Thomas Jefferson anymore.  Such is life.  

 

That's the point Section, the people of New York City are NOT being given a point.

 

Their "Betters" are telling them who they can have statues of.

 

Thanks for pointing out the hypocrisy 

[SectionC3]

11 minutes ago, B-Man said:

 

That's the point Section, the people of New York City are NOT being given a point.

 

Their "Betters" are telling them who they can have statues of.

 

Thanks for pointing out the hypocrisy 

 

Hoax.  They had a say.  They voted for those who appointed the committee to which the City Council delegated certain authority in this area.  Democracy 1, B-Man 0.  Don’t like it?  Move to NYC, make some friends there, and run for council. 

[B-Man]

20 minutes ago, SectionC3 said:

 

Hoax.  They had a say.  They voted for those who appointed the committee to which the City Council delegated certain authority in this area.  Democracy 1, B-Man 0.  Don’t like it?  Move to NYC, make some friends there, and run for council. 

 

 

Try again.

 

Your weak-ass spin would only be true if the citizens had heard from the nominees that the removal was part of their plan.

 

Otherwise, it is not an appropriate response.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

But you knew that, you and tibs just cannot admit that the posts at the beginning of this thread were right.

 

Oh well.

 

I am sure that the Left will provide you more and more examples.

 

 

[SectionC3]

12 minutes ago, B-Man said:

 

 

Try again.

 

Your weak-ass spin would only be true if the citizens had heard from the nominees that the removal was part of their plan.

 

Otherwise, it is not an appropriate response.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

But you knew that, you and tibs just cannot admit that the posts at the beginning of this thread were right.

 

Oh well.

 

I am sure that the Left will provide you more and more examples.

 

 

Hoax.  Elections have consequences. Move to NYC, run for office, and make it a campaign issue.  Or stop whining about it.  Either one. 

Edited October 19, 2021 by SectionC3

[Chef Jim]

1 hour ago, SectionC3 said:

Hoax.  Elections have consequences. Move to NYC, run for office, and make it a campaign issue.  Or stop whining about it.  Either one. 

 

I've been away awhile but I had to pop in for this one. 

 

We'll remember this next time you cry when state politicians change voting rules.  

 

How does it go?  Elections have consequences.  Move to GA, run for office, and make it a campaign issue.  Or stop whining about it.  Either one.  Did I get that right? 

 

Carry on hypocrite.  

 

 

 

 

[All_Pro_Bills]

2 hours ago, SectionC3 said:

 

He also was one of the most notorious racists of his era.  So maybe he’s not someone who should be venerated in that location.  Or, perhaps the veneration should tell the whole story, namely, that he was a timeless political theorist, that he bravely prepared the Declaration of Independence, that the nation is indebted to his courage and loquaciousness, and that, in his view, life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness were not available to almost all African-Americans in that time.  

 

Either way, I believe in the choice as to who we venerate.  And somebody chose not to venerate Thomas Jefferson anymore.  Such is life.  

This is what you get when you apply different standard of behavior and morality to another time.  The Aztecs sacrificed prisoners.  The Romans were ruthless and brutal.  By today's standards many historical figures and leaders can be judged harshly.  The Taliban of today are brutal savages but their behavior is pretty consistent for what you'd expect a thousand or so years ago. 

Like most things morality and ethics are conditional and subject to change.  I'd suggest if you had the ability to travel back in time and attempted to impose today's moral and ethical standards like in Jefferson's era they wouldn't understand or comprehend what you're talking about.  The entire concept of "racism" would likely be incomprehensible to most.  You'd likely be seen as an oddly acting fool.

 

So today's moral thinkers characterize historical figures in a different more critical light.  The same morally superior crew that chooses to cantonize George Floyd.  Somebody that can also be portrayed as the patron saint of home invasion.  A guy that held a gun to a pregnant women's stomach and threatened to kill her and her unborn child unless she cooperated.  A career criminal and drug addict that apparently by chance happened to be in the wrong place at the wrong time with some unhinged cop chocking the life out of him.  Not exactly a heroes death. Both the moral and ethical crowd are perfectly willing to overlook his transgressions towards others to make their political point in our time.   I can only hope and imagine that 50 years from now people will be wondering what kind of insanity griped the country during this era.  And tear down memorials to a career criminal.  

[SoCal Deek]

3 hours ago, SectionC3 said:

Hoax.  Elections have consequences. Move to NYC, run for office, and make it a campaign issue.  Or stop whining about it.  Either one. 

If that’s your answer…it’s a really bad way to administer a government. Having a pendulum wildly swinging back and forth is a recipe for societal unrest. 

[leh-nerd skin-erd]

2 hours ago, Chef Jim said:

 

I've been away awhile but I had to pop in for this one. 

 

We'll remember this next time you cry when state politicians change voting rules.  

 

How does it go?  Elections have consequences.  Move to GA, run for office, and make it a campaign issue.  Or stop whining about it.  Either one.  Did I get that right? 

 

Carry on hypocrite.  

 

 

 

 

Good to see you back Chef.  Hope all is well.  

[Chef Jim]

33 minutes ago, leh-nerd skin-erd said:

Good to see you back Chef.  Hope all is well.  

Everything has been ***** beautiful. Staying away from this place has helped. LOL

[SoCal Deek]

31 minutes ago, Chef Jim said:

Everything has been ***** beautiful. Staying away from this place has helped. LOL

You’ve missed nothing. But now that you’re back I’m predicting all the world’s problems are about to get …solved! 😉

[SectionC3]

4 hours ago, Chef Jim said:

 

I've been away awhile but I had to pop in for this one. 

 

We'll remember this next time you cry when state politicians change voting rules.  

 

How does it go?  Elections have consequences.  Move to GA, run for office, and make it a campaign issue.  Or stop whining about it.  Either one.  Did I get that right? 

 

Carry on hypocrite.  

 

 

 

 

Ironic that Chef Jim Crow would return to discuss an issue of race.  Hoax.  It’s not a surprise at all that you heard the dog whistle and sprinted to share your crowy views. 

2 hours ago, SoCal Deek said:

If that’s your answer…it’s a really bad way to administer a government. Having a pendulum wildly swinging back and forth is a recipe for societal unrest. 

What is so wild about this?  Someone decided not to venerate a racist and a slaveholder.  Some moderately literate snowflakes have a problem with it, and that’s too bad.  Maybe they can storm city hall like they did the Capitol.  Or they can get over the movement of a statue, visit them Jefferson memorial, and pay homage that way.  

[Chef Jim]

12 hours ago, SectionC3 said:

Ironic that Chef Jim Crow would return to discuss an issue of race.  Hoax.  It’s not a surprise at all that you heard the dog whistle and sprinted to share your crowy views. 

 

 

My crowy views???  And what might those be?  You've had months and months to define them but you just can't seem to do that can you.  

 

You live in your own world.  I was just pointing out your hypocrisy.  Seeing you can't defend it you bang out your typical keyboard nonsense.  

 

The more things change the more they stay the same.  

 

Carry on one trick pony.  

[B-Man]

 

 

 

 

 

SamuelGoldman

@SWGoldman

They’re supposed to be opponents but in their monomania and reductionism, “anti-racist” iconoclasm and vulgar founderology are basically the same.

 

Incidentally, Levy and his family were also instrumental in preserving Monticello—efforts for which they received a fair bit of anti-Semitic abuse (didn’t help that they were Union people).

Edited October 21, 2021 by B-Man

[B-Man]

 

Just Confederates......................what are you worried about?

 

 

 

RIP Thomas Jefferson statue in NYC, 1834-2021

https://twitchy.com/gregp-3534/2021/11/23/rip-thomas-jefferson-statue-in-nyc-1834-2021/

 

 

 

 

I guess that he was right 

 

NBC News’ 2017 fact-check on Trump’s warning about Founding Fathers statues has aged horribly

https://twitchy.com/dougp-3137/2021/11/22/nbc-news-2017-fact-check-on-trumps-warning-about-founding-fathers-statues-has-aged-horribly/

 

 

 

[B-Man]

 

 

New York City Cancels Theodore Roosevelt – Is Sending His Statue To North Dakota

by Mike LaChance

 

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2021/11/new-york-city-cancels-theodore-roosevelt-sending-statue-north-dakota/