BringBackFergy Posted October 11, 2015 Share Posted October 11, 2015 I haven't researched this yet, but to call offsides on the first kickoff of a game when Easley was approx 12 inches offsides really seems somewhat pre-planned (like the refs were specifically looking to !@#$ with us). I understand it is a violation and, yes, they were justified. But I have to think other kickoff teams have done this a lot more often than not. I'm wagering that offsides on a kickoff has been called maybe 4 times in the last five years. Anyone capable of researching this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lurker Posted October 11, 2015 Share Posted October 11, 2015 they were justified. No research necessary... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K-9 Posted October 11, 2015 Share Posted October 11, 2015 I haven't researched this yet, but to call offsides on the first kickoff of a game when Easley was approx 12 inches offsides really seems somewhat pre-planned (like the refs were specifically looking to !@#$ with us). I understand it is a violation and, yes, they were justified. But I have to think other kickoff teams have done this a lot more often than not. I'm wagering that offsides on a kickoff has been called maybe 4 times in the last five years. Anyone capable of researching this? It was a chickenschit call made only because we recovered the fumbled kickoff. No turnover, no offside called on the KO. Â GO BILLS!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lurker Posted October 11, 2015 Share Posted October 11, 2015 No turnover, no offside called on the KO. Â Was the flag thrown after the fumble? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChan Posted October 11, 2015 Share Posted October 11, 2015 It was a chickenschit call made only because we recovered the fumbled kickoff. No turnover, no offside called on the KO. Â GO BILLS!!! They threw the flag as the ball was kicked IIRC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted October 11, 2015 Share Posted October 11, 2015 I haven't researched this yet, but to call offsides on the first kickoff of a game when Easley was approx 12 inches offsides really seems somewhat pre-planned (like the refs were specifically looking to !@#$ with us). I understand it is a violation and, yes, they were justified. But I have to think other kickoff teams have done this a lot more often than not. I'm wagering that offsides on a kickoff has been called maybe 4 times in the last five years. Anyone capable of researching this? Â Â If it turns out that it was only 4 times in the past 5 years, does that confirm that it was "preplanned" by the refs? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackFergy Posted October 11, 2015 Author Share Posted October 11, 2015 No research necessary...Yeah, I understand the ref threw it before the kick was fumbled, but it seemed almost premeditated. The point is "how many times has offsides been called on the opening kickoff"....shoot, on any kickoff? It has to be rare. Â Â If it turns out that it was only 4 times in the past 5 years, does that confirm that it was "preplanned" by the refs? Just as likely that it wasn't. It seemed they were waiting for any reason to throw a flag against us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChan Posted October 11, 2015 Share Posted October 11, 2015 Yeah, I understand the ref threw it before the kick was fumbled, but it seemed almost premeditated. The point is "how many times has offsides been called on the opening kickoff"....shoot, on any kickoff? It has to be rare. Just as likely that it wasn't. It seemed they were waiting for any reason to throw a flag against us. The one thing that comes to mind is Whisenhunt mentioning to the refs that the Bills have a new KO guy so the refs would pay extra attention. Â Not dirty, IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
r00tabaga Posted October 11, 2015 Share Posted October 11, 2015 Stop it. He was offside. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
racecitybills Posted October 11, 2015 Share Posted October 11, 2015 (edited) Posted this elsewhere but---- Tasker specifically said the rule is that if your foot touches over the line before the kick you are offsides- they ran the replay- froze the frame showing his leg ahead of the line- when they resumed the clip his foot then hit - after the kick- Â if Tasker is right, he was not offsides. As an aside, what bug does Tasker have up his hiney about the Bills? Edited October 11, 2015 by racecitybills Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Talley56 Posted October 11, 2015 Share Posted October 11, 2015 Not sure about this call but either way I felt like the Unnecessary Roughness call against Graham that kept the Titans' late drive alive was far worse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miyagi-Do Karate Posted October 11, 2015 Share Posted October 11, 2015 Posted this elsewhere but---- Tasker specifically said the rule is that if your foot touches over the line before the kick you are offsides- they ran the replay- froze the frame showing his leg ahead of the line- when the resumed the clip his foot then hit - after the kick- Â if Tasker is right, he was not offsides. As an aside, what bug does Tasker have up hit hiney about the Bulls? I thought the same; didn't see his foot hit down. Â That said, we should never be offsides on a kick. There is zero excuse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Gun Posted October 11, 2015 Share Posted October 11, 2015 Posted this elsewhere but---- Tasker specifically said the rule is that if your foot touches over the line before the kick you are offsides- they ran the replay- froze the frame showing his leg ahead of the line- when the resumed the clip his foot then hit - after the kick- Â if Tasker is right, he was not offsides. As an aside, what bug does Tasker have up hit hiney about the Bulls? Whaat! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted October 11, 2015 Share Posted October 11, 2015 Yeah, I understand the ref threw it before the kick was fumbled, but it seemed almost premeditated. The point is "how many times has offsides been called on the opening kickoff"....shoot, on any kickoff? It has to be rare. Just as likely that it wasn't. It seemed they were waiting for any reason to throw a flag against us. Â To what purpose? We hear this every week. Why? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackFergy Posted October 11, 2015 Author Share Posted October 11, 2015 Hello?????????? I already said he was offsides (or appeared to be). The point is: Why was the ref specifically looking for this 12" infraction on the opening kickoff? It is not a regular type penalty. If anyone has stats on this (how many times offsides is called on a kickoff) I'd like to know because it seems to me that 12" is not much of an advantage and has been overlooked for the last five years (or more). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted October 11, 2015 Share Posted October 11, 2015 I haven't researched this yet, but to call offsides on the first kickoff of a game when Easley was approx 12 inches offsides really seems somewhat pre-planned (like the refs were specifically looking to !@#$ with us). I understand it is a violation and, yes, they were justified. But I have to think other kickoff teams have done this a lot more often than not. I'm wagering that offsides on a kickoff has been called maybe 4 times in the last five years. Anyone capable of researching this? Â That was all on Whaley/Ryan. Â They made the change from Gay to Cundiff and on Cundiff's first kickoff, someone goes offsides because they are used to Jordan Gay being quicker to the ball than Cundiff... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
klos63 Posted October 11, 2015 Share Posted October 11, 2015 Hello?????????? I already said he was offsides (or appeared to be). The point is: Why was the ref specifically looking for this 12" infraction on the opening kickoff? It is not a regular type penalty. If anyone has stats on this (how many times offsides is called on a kickoff) I'd like to know because it seems to me that 12" is not much of an advantage and has been overlooked for the last five years (or more). Because it's the side judges job to see if anyone is offsides on the kickoff. Why do you think they position a ref there? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RJ (not THAT RJ) Posted October 12, 2015 Share Posted October 12, 2015 It was a chickenschit call made only because we recovered the fumbled kickoff. No turnover, no offside called on the KO. Â GO BILLS!!! False, flag was thrown as soon as ball was kicked. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jr1 Posted October 12, 2015 Share Posted October 12, 2015 Easley was hyped for the Walking Dead premiere Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lurker Posted October 12, 2015 Share Posted October 12, 2015 Â That was all on Whaley/Ryan. Â They made the change from Gay to Cundiff and on Cundiff's first kickoff, someone goes offsides because they are used to Jordan Gay being quicker to the ball than Cundiff... Huh? That's a big cop out. It's the players responsibility to not go offsides. Full stop. Â Just dumb play, even if the timing was off... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed_Formerly_of_Roch Posted October 12, 2015 Share Posted October 12, 2015 Yes and ref doesn't have the ability to freeze frame the play. So if it's that close can't in any way fault the ref. He's thrown the flag way before the Titan player ever even touched the ball.  I think it happens much more than you imagine. How often is the TV camera even showing all 11 players at the line at the kickoff, and who watching on TV pays any attention to it. So the only time it gets attention is when the penalty is called. My opinion it's called at least 4 to 5 times per season, and would not at all be surprised if it's even more  Posted this elsewhere but---- Tasker specifically said the rule is that if your foot touches over the line before the kick you are offsides- they ran the replay- froze the frame showing his leg ahead of the line- when they resumed the clip his foot then hit - after the kick-  if Tasker is right, he was not offsides. As an aside, what bug does Tasker have up his hiney about the Bills?  Because basically that's the side judges only job, to watch for off sides. It's probably one of the easiest calls for him to make as very easy to see.  And do agree with you that little if any advantage is gained, so the bigger question in my mind is why would a player put himself anywhere close to be called for offsides? As was pointed out, it could be due to the new kicker, but even so why put yourself in that close of a position to have the call made. Instead of blasting the officials, maybe you should be venting your energy at Easley for being stupid!  Hello?????????? I already said he was offsides (or appeared to be). The point is: Why was the ref specifically looking for this 12" infraction on the opening kickoff? It is not a regular type penalty. If anyone has stats on this (how many times offsides is called on a kickoff) I'd like to know because it seems to me that 12" is not much of an advantage and has been overlooked for the last five years (or more). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Billieve Posted October 12, 2015 Share Posted October 12, 2015 Hello?????????? I already said he was offsides (or appeared to be). The point is: Why was the ref specifically looking for this 12" infraction on the opening kickoff? It is not a regular type penalty. If anyone has stats on this (how many times offsides is called on a kickoff) I'd like to know because it seems to me that 12" is not much of an advantage and has been overlooked for the last five years (or more). I think the point is we were offsides. I think it doesn't get called much because it doesn't happen much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackFergy Posted October 12, 2015 Author Share Posted October 12, 2015 I think the point is we were offsides. I think it doesn't get called much because it doesn't happen much.By 12"??? I beg to differ. I think it happens quite often but just "happened" to get called against us. Until someone proves me wrong, I'll say it is called 3-4 times every five years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rockinon Posted October 12, 2015 Share Posted October 12, 2015 (edited) Foot has to actually touch turf off sides to be off sides by rule. Didn't happen. Can cross the plane as long as the ball is kicked before foot actually touches turf over the line. Â Refs retaliating for Bills players mouthing off in previous game? Edited October 12, 2015 by Rockinon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted October 12, 2015 Share Posted October 12, 2015 (edited) It was a chickenschit call made only because we recovered the fumbled kickoff. No turnover, no offside called on the KO. Â GO BILLS!!! Flag is tossed just as the ball is in the air... Bills are just that undisciplined to get that stupid flag. Edited October 12, 2015 by over 20 years of fanhood Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackFergy Posted October 12, 2015 Author Share Posted October 12, 2015 Foot has to actually touch turf off sides to be off sides by rule. Didn't happen. Can cross the plane as long as the ball is kicked before foot actually touches turf over the line. Â Refs retaliating for Bills players mouthing off in previous game? Yep. Bills have a bad rep with the refs so this was their way of saying "Hey, we're in control of this game guys...don't !@#$ with me today ". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
klos63 Posted October 12, 2015 Share Posted October 12, 2015 By 12"??? I beg to differ. I think it happens quite often but just "happened" to get called against us. Until someone proves me wrong, I'll say it is called 3-4 times every five years. this is a silly discussion, but I'll hang around a bit. So you can throw out bogus stats with no backup , but we need to prove you wrong. I think that you are a whiny little baby because you are harping on a correctly called penalty and I'll believe you are a whiny little baby until someone proves me wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
strive_for_five_guy Posted October 12, 2015 Share Posted October 12, 2015 this is a silly discussion, but I'll hang around a bit. So you can throw out bogus stats with no backup , but we need to prove you wrong. I think that you are a whiny little baby because you are harping on a correctly called penalty and I'll believe you are a whiny little baby until someone proves me wrong. LMFAO well stated Klos Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackFergy Posted October 12, 2015 Author Share Posted October 12, 2015 Flag is tossed just as the ball is in the air... Bills are just that undisciplined to get that stupid flag.So my question is (again) how many times has this been called in the last 1-5 years? Then you'll see how much the refs really look for this penalty (or, as I anticipate, how rare this call is). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lurker Posted October 12, 2015 Share Posted October 12, 2015 Foot has to actually touch turf off sides to be off sides by rule. Didn't happen. Can cross the plane as long as the ball is kicked before foot actually touches turf over the line.  Refs retaliating for Bills players mouthing off in previous game? Bupkis. Here's the NFL rule book (see page 8, section 20):  http://uaasnfl.blob.core.windows.net/live/1807/2015_nfl_rule_book_final.pdf  "A player is Offside when any part of his body or his person is in the Neutral Zone, or is beyond his free kick line, or fair catch kick line when the ball is put in play, unless he is a holder of a placekick for a free kick (6-1-3-b-1) or fair catch kick (11-4-3), or a kicker (6-1-3-b-2). The snapper is offside if any part of his body is beyond the neutral zone. The kicker is not offside unless his kicking foot is beyond his Restraining Line when the ball is kicked."  Easley was offside... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
klos63 Posted October 12, 2015 Share Posted October 12, 2015 So my question is (again) how many times has this been called in the last 1-5 years? Then you'll see how much the refs really look for this penalty (or, as I anticipate, how rare this call is). how about you tell us how often it's been called. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
strive_for_five_guy Posted October 12, 2015 Share Posted October 12, 2015 So my question is (again) how many times has this been called in the last 1-5 years? Then you'll see how much the refs really look for this penalty (or, as I anticipate, how rare this call is). Or you'll see how often players actually don't go offside on kickoffs, justifying the penalty not being called often. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted October 12, 2015 Share Posted October 12, 2015 So my question is (again) how many times has this been called in the last 1-5 years? Then you'll see how much the refs really look for this penalty (or, as I anticipate, how rare this call is). I've seen it a few. Not often but occasionally Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K-9 Posted October 12, 2015 Share Posted October 12, 2015 Was the flag thrown after the fumble? Â Â They threw the flag as the ball was kicked IIRC. Â Â False, flag was thrown as soon as ball was kicked. Â Â Flag is tossed just as the ball is in the air... Bills are just that undisciplined to get that stupid flag. Thank-you all, gentlemen. I stand corrected. Â For a while there, I thought it was some vast conspiracy against us. Â GO BILLS!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackFergy Posted October 12, 2015 Author Share Posted October 12, 2015 this is a silly discussion, but I'll hang around a bit. So you can throw out bogus stats with no backup , but we need to prove you wrong. I think that you are a whiny little baby because you are harping on a correctly called penalty and I'll believe you are a whiny little baby until someone proves me wrong.Tough guy. Drag your knuckles to a keyboard and research the issue (I know it's a penalty and we violated it). I'll sit here and cry while you learn to use Webcrawler. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
klos63 Posted October 12, 2015 Share Posted October 12, 2015 Tough guy. Drag your knuckles to a keyboard and research the issue (I know it's a penalty and we violated it). I'll sit here and cry while you learn to use Webcrawler. again, if you think the stats favor your argument , come up with them, don't throw that on everyone else here. It's your thread. Tough guy. Drag your knuckles to a keyboard and research the issue (I know it's a penalty and we violated it). I'll sit here and cry while you learn to use Webcrawler. Â again, if you think the stats favor your argument , come up with them, don't throw that on everyone else here. It's your thread. Example: Hey , I researched and found out that there have only been 3 kickoff offsides penalties called since 2011, I am a bit suspicious about the call on the Bills today, I wonder if the refs are looking for penalties because of our reputation, as these obviously are not called very often. See? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HardyBoy Posted October 12, 2015 Share Posted October 12, 2015 http://www.nflpenalties.com/penalty/offside-on-free-kick?year=2014 Â 22 times last year in the league bills called for it once. Â /troll thread Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CodeMonkey Posted October 12, 2015 Share Posted October 12, 2015 I think the point is we were offsides. I think it doesn't get called much because it doesn't happen much. Curse you and your confounded logic. We will have none of that during a "refs are out to get the Bills" thread. Good day to you sir! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lurker Posted October 12, 2015 Share Posted October 12, 2015 http://www.nflpenalties.com/penalty/offside-on-free-kick?year=2014 Â Â Thanks for linking that site, it's new to me... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted October 12, 2015 Share Posted October 12, 2015 You don't see that "defender over the long snapper" call much either - most teams have a ST coach who makes sure these guys know better. I heard someone complain today the ref usually just taps them and tells them to move over with no penalty called. That's not his job! Here's an idea: play within the rules and stop complaining when you're guilty and they notice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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