K-9 Posted September 14, 2015 Author Share Posted September 14, 2015 Qb who has never started, new RB, new backup rb, new wr, 2 new Oline, new coaches, new system...... 1 Win 0 turnovers 6.2 yards per play 27 points 342 yards Taylor = 14/19, 195 yards, 1TD....9 carries for 41 yards McCoy - 87 rushing/receiving yards karlos = 6 carries for 55 yards Harvin - 79 receiving yards, TD Clay - 4 receptions, 43 yards but you aren't impressed because watkins wasn't involved catching the ball. Guess what, watkins was involved in the win. Its called blocking and taking away a top 3 CB in the game. The harvin TD doesn't happen if both the safety and CB aren't focused on watkins. Sorry, you don't exist in this thread after your 3rd grade stunt above. Not involving Sammy is only one element. But your grasp of the obvious is stunning. Well done. GO BILLS!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not at the table Karlos Posted September 14, 2015 Share Posted September 14, 2015 I don't think so. GO BILLS!!! are or were you drunk? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K-9 Posted September 14, 2015 Author Share Posted September 14, 2015 are or were you drunk? Not at all. I can assure you I wasn't confusing our lack of execution with what was asked to be executed. GO BILLS!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Numark3 Posted September 14, 2015 Share Posted September 14, 2015 (edited) Sorry, you don't exist in this thread after your 3rd grade stunt above. Not involving Sammy is only one element. But your grasp of the obvious is stunning. Well done. GO BILLS!!! My grasp lol? What else is your complaints. He got too conservative? Its called having a QB in his first ever start play with a big lead, in the rain, with a top defense. He is suppose to go conservative, and it worked, perfectly. This is your goofy thread, list out specifically other reasons why you arent impressed. back it up So far it is watkins stats and playing conservative with essentially a rookie qb with a big lead in the rain. What else you got? Edited September 14, 2015 by Crayola64 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted September 14, 2015 Share Posted September 14, 2015 Not at all. I can assure you I wasn't confusing our lack of execution with what was asked to be executed. GO BILLS!!! Without the penalties it's hard to imagine we would not have scored 30 points, with no turnovers. It's pretty hard to argue with those results when you are starting a guy in his first big game, with four of five players who haven't practiced a lot until the last few days. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan130 Posted September 14, 2015 Share Posted September 14, 2015 I thought he did a descent job until the 4th quarter, I think he got way too conservative. I think 3 straight 3 and outs in the 4th and I believe he started every drive with 2 runs. When its 24-8 against Andrew luck, the game is not close to being over Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K-9 Posted September 14, 2015 Author Share Posted September 14, 2015 Without the penalties it's hard to imagine we would not have scored 30 points, with no turnovers. It's pretty hard to argue with those results when you are starting a guy in his first big game, with four of five players who haven't practiced a lot until the last few days. I'm not arguing the results. It's great that we won the game. I just reserve the right to be less than impressed with Roman's philosophy today and I hope it's not a concern going forward. He shut it down too early and became predictable in the process, imo. I also realize it's the first game and he doesn't really know what he has yet, especially given your good point about the lack of playing time our skill players have had together. I can cut him slack; it's not like I hate the guy or anything. I'm simply saying he can be better. GO BILLS!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meatplow Posted September 14, 2015 Share Posted September 14, 2015 This is hysterical. First game of the season, we hang 27 points on a pretty damn good defense, none of which came from our own defense for once , and we already have complaining about the offensive coordinator. That's truly OFFENSIVE! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted September 14, 2015 Share Posted September 14, 2015 (edited) Qb who has never started, new RB, new backup rb, new wr, 2 new Oline, new coaches, new system...... 1 Win 0 turnovers 6.2 yards per play 27 points 342 yards Taylor = 14/19, 195 yards, 1TD....9 carries for 41 yards McCoy - 87 rushing/receiving yards karlos = 6 carries for 55 yards Harvin - 79 receiving yards, TD Clay - 4 receptions, 43 yards but you aren't impressed because watkins wasn't involved catching the ball. Guess what, watkins was involved in the win. Its called blocking and taking away a top 3 CB in the game. The harvin TD doesn't happen if both the safety and CB aren't focused on watkins. I think to quantify k9s point in a similar fashion Only 15 first downs, 5/13 on third down, 55 plays in 11 drives, shady sub 2.5 ypc, lots of penalties, a poor colts line challenged us upfront. Our offense is more talented than their defense and we beat them but I don't think k9 ever saw us flex our muscle and bury them or do a lot to dictate to them. We did find creases and play efficiently though. We might've started burning clock early instead of continuing to push. Clearly we didn't need it today but it can sometimes be a challenge to just turn that killer instinct on in the 3rd quarter of week 4. On a day when you have a nice little lead and defense firing on all cylinders, it might've been a time to instill a bit of that attitude in this group. It was a very good day but hopefully it's followed by steps forward in the coming weeks Edited September 14, 2015 by NoSaint Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kota Posted September 14, 2015 Share Posted September 14, 2015 Sorry i don't agree. I like a coordinator where i can't tell if it's a run or a pass sitting at home on my couch 3k miles away in LA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K-9 Posted September 14, 2015 Author Share Posted September 14, 2015 I think to quantify k9s point in a similar fashion Only 15 first downs, 5/13 on third down, 55 plays in 11 drives, shady sub 2.5 ypc, lots of penalties, a poor colts line challenged us upfront. Our offense is more talented than their defense and we beat them but I don't think k9 ever saw us flex our muscle and bury them or do a lot to dictate to them. We did find creases and play efficiently though. We might've started burning clock early instead of continuing to push. Clearly we didn't need it today but it can sometimes be a challenge to just turn that killer instinct on in the 3rd quarter of week 4. On a day when you have a nice little lead and defense firing on all cylinders, it might've been a time to instill a bit of that attitude in this group. It was a very good day but hopefully it's followed by steps forward in the coming weeks That pretty much hits upon what I was saying. But hey, I understand the unenlightened circling of the herd when one has the temerity to critique a particular aspect of the game. I must be tarred and feathered for my heresy after a big win. Others can rationally discuss certain aspects of a game without their panties in a wad. GO BILLS!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaninATL Posted September 14, 2015 Share Posted September 14, 2015 I expected the responses I've seen so far. After 18 years in this community, one can predict where certain opinions are going. And it's out of character for me to be so openly critical as well. Those who've been here a while know that. I was struck by the lack of anticipation by Roman today and I don't like coaches who don't seem to sense when we should go for the jugular. Perhaps that's coming, but right now it appears he doesn't have the confidence to do so yet. Hopefully that will come as he learns what he has. I have much higher expectations for this team, apparently. GO BILLS!!! Agreed. That aspect of the game was impressive. GO BILLS!!! Upon second thought, I would agree with you only in the context that GRo could have mixed things up when he saw the trouble we were having running the ball, esp. up the middle. Not disagreeing with you at all about having high expectations for the team. I certainly do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meatplow Posted September 14, 2015 Share Posted September 14, 2015 (edited) No disrespect K-9. I wouldn't be the least bit surprised if Roman was sandbaggin' in a huge way today after our early lead considering who we're hosting next week. Edited September 14, 2015 by Meatplow Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K-9 Posted September 14, 2015 Author Share Posted September 14, 2015 No disrespect K-9. I wouldn't be the least bit surprised if Roman was sandbaggin' in a huge way today after our early lead considering who we're hosting next week. This dovetails with the idea that KellytheDog put forth earlier; the skill players simply haven't have enough time together and Roman understands that. GO BILLS!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max997 Posted September 14, 2015 Share Posted September 14, 2015 I am not concerned but I thought Roman was trying to be too cute especially with the running plays for McCoy which were mostly misdirection and trying to catch the defense instead of just lining up and running the ball. I understand Romans offense but i don't think he put McCoy in much of chance to succeed today. I went into this game thinking the Bills were going to have success running on the Colts defense that I don't think is very good against the run but overall am disappointed in running game. I was also expecting to see more play action and roll outs with Tyrod as well but I don't recall much of either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D. L. Hot-Flamethrower Posted September 14, 2015 Share Posted September 14, 2015 Bring back Nate Hackett and Marrone! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mango Posted September 14, 2015 Share Posted September 14, 2015 My largest complaint was that if you took out the long runs by McCoy and Williams, our yards per carry were right around or under 2. Also with 3 turnovers we basically tied ToP. Obviously this is linked to above and being able to run the ball consistently. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CountryCletus Posted September 14, 2015 Share Posted September 14, 2015 Glad we won and all, but Roman neutered our offense most of the afternoon. Got the impression he didn't have confidence in Taylor nor was I impressed with his schematic designs. Got way too conservative way too early. No excuse for not targeting Sammy more than one or two times as well. Glad our defense rose to the occasion because, based on one game, I'm not sure Roman can go out and win a game with the mentality he showed today. GO BILLS!!! Can't disagree more... I'm sorry... I think our first half offense executed very well, and with the lead and the score to start the second half, I hope it was by design than Rex/Roman chose to not put any more than necessary on film for Billicheat to study for next week.... As I was saying to a few guys at the TBDAHOT after the game... What did we throw after the half, 6 passes??? Run run run the clock out.... I personally love the decision and hope it pays off somehow... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BmarvB Posted September 14, 2015 Share Posted September 14, 2015 Play calling wasn't all that bad - except for the first play. Don't call that again! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Big Cat Posted September 14, 2015 Share Posted September 14, 2015 (edited) the first play from scrimmage was an unabashed embarrassment run block executing was for **** (except when K williams ran it...hmmm) penalties killed them one drop from Felton and a misfire from TT with Watkins open in the endzone all things considered, there weren't any systematic breakdowns, and first play from scrimmage not withstanding, i had little issue with playcalling, especially after many of the headscrathers PGH called on TNF against NE Edited September 14, 2015 by The Big Cat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted September 14, 2015 Share Posted September 14, 2015 I thought he did a descent job until the 4th quarter, I think he got way too conservative. I think 3 straight 3 and outs in the 4th and I believe he started every drive with 2 runs. When its 24-8 against Andrew luck, the game is not close to being over It was time to grind out a few first downs on the ground, and Cordy had 2 holding calls on back to back series making it a 20 yard first down. Not going to happen very often on the ground. That's not on the OC, it's on the LT. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K-9 Posted September 14, 2015 Author Share Posted September 14, 2015 Can't disagree more... I'm sorry... I think our first half offense executed very well, and with the lead and the score to start the second half, I hope it was by design than Rex/Roman chose to not put any more than necessary on film for Billicheat to study for next week.... As I was saying to a few guys at the TBDAHOT after the game... What did we throw after the half, 6 passes??? Run run run the clock out.... I personally love the decision and hope it pays off somehow... No need to apologize and I appreciate your point of view here. I think he shut it down too early, that's all. GO BILLS!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted September 14, 2015 Share Posted September 14, 2015 I think it important to consider that these guys have not played a lot together.....so yes Roman was being careful to not turn the ball over.......and we were flat dominating them. I think as TT gets more game time and these guys have worked together a bit you will see it open up We didnt need that today..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Big Cat Posted September 14, 2015 Share Posted September 14, 2015 I don't think that had anything to do with the playcalling. It had A LOT to do with playcalling. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerry Jabber Posted September 14, 2015 Share Posted September 14, 2015 Glad we won and all, but Roman neutered our offense most of the afternoon. Got the impression he didn't have confidence in Taylor nor was I impressed with his schematic designs. Got way too conservative way too early. No excuse for not targeting Sammy more than one or two times as well. Glad our defense rose to the occasion because, based on one game, I'm not sure Roman can go out and win a game with the mentality he showed today. GO BILLS!!! Yeah, compared to seeing the Bills be lucky to score 10 to 13 points a game in numerous games over the past 15 years, it's very hard to be impressed with scoring 27 points against a playoff team from a year ago Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nucci Posted September 14, 2015 Share Posted September 14, 2015 My largest complaint was that if you took out the long runs by McCoy and Williams, our yards per carry were right around or under 2. Also with 3 turnovers we basically tied ToP. Obviously this is linked to above and being able to run the ball consistently. If you take out a TD run? Ridiculous comments that start with IF. If you take out all the short runs , our average goes way up Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted September 14, 2015 Share Posted September 14, 2015 I think it is tough to impress someone when that person has no knowledge of the subject For example, it would be tough to impress me with painting or architecture, because I don't know anything about painting or architecture. I think football is your painting I may not totally agree with K9s take on this.....but I can tell you he knows his stuff Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Big Cat Posted September 14, 2015 Share Posted September 14, 2015 Yeah, compared to seeing the Bills be lucky to score 10 to 13 points a game in numerous games over the past 15 years, it's very hard to be impressed with scoring 27 points against a playoff team from a year ago One thing that kept coming up at the bar: we hung 27 on them without any return scores, which in week one blowouts of years-past were always in the mix. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerry Jabber Posted September 14, 2015 Share Posted September 14, 2015 One thing that kept coming up at the bar: we hung 27 on them without any return scores, which in week one blowouts of years-past were always in the mix. Great points! All 27 points were from the offense as there were no INT's, punt returns or kick returns for TD's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Just in Atlanta Posted September 14, 2015 Share Posted September 14, 2015 Is this a joke? We scored 27 points, and did so on the ground, deep and short...in balanced fashion, with a decent amount of misdirection...with a first-time quarterback and a new group of personnel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mango Posted September 14, 2015 Share Posted September 14, 2015 If you take out a TD run? Ridiculous comments that start with IF. If you take out all the short runs , our average goes way up In statistics you take out outliers all the time. So they are less of an if, and more of an anomaly. Take out the longest and shortest if you like. But the offense lacked consistency in being able to run the ball. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Big Cat Posted September 14, 2015 Share Posted September 14, 2015 Great points! All 27 points were from the offense as there were no INT's, punt returns or kick returns for TD's. Also, 1/1 in the redzone. Hey, it's something. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan130 Posted September 14, 2015 Share Posted September 14, 2015 It was time to grind out a few first downs on the ground, and Cordy had 2 holding calls on back to back series making it a 20 yard first down. Not going to happen very often on the ground. That's not on the OC, it's on the LT. I understand that, but they were moving the ball so well before with a great mix of play action, screens and runs, if its working why change it up with a full quarter to go. If there is 5 or 6 minutes left then ya I would agree with you about grinding the clock down Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
first_and_ten Posted September 14, 2015 Share Posted September 14, 2015 Glad we won and all, but Roman neutered our offense most of the afternoon. Got the impression he didn't have confidence in Taylor nor was I impressed with his schematic designs. Got way too conservative way too early. No excuse for not targeting Sammy more than one or two times as well. Glad our defense rose to the occasion because, based on one game, I'm not sure Roman can go out and win a game with the mentality he showed today. GO BILLS!!! Some people just can't be happy..lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChan Posted September 14, 2015 Share Posted September 14, 2015 No need to apologize and I appreciate your point of view here. I think he shut it down too early, that's all. GO BILLS!!! Agreed. Reminded me of the Jets games last year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CountryCletus Posted September 14, 2015 Share Posted September 14, 2015 No need to apologize and I appreciate your point of view here. I think he shut it down too early, that's all. GO BILLS!!! There were a couple times I looked at the clock and thought "they have time", but it also found myself thinking- "if we keep the hammer down and make a mistake, that could let the wind out of our sails"... Either way, the 12th man was rocking like I haven't seen in a long time, and let's get this team used to winning, then maybe we can mimic past teams of N.O. And keep the hammer down most games... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted September 14, 2015 Share Posted September 14, 2015 (edited) In statistics you take out outliers all the time. So they are less of an if, and more of an anomaly. Take out the longest and shortest if you like. But the offense lacked consistency in being able to run the ball. It's hard to take anyone seriously if their pic looks like they haven't yet swallowed a stolen jailhouse cookie. Edited September 14, 2015 by Augie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Adam Posted September 14, 2015 Share Posted September 14, 2015 Also, 1/1 in the redzone. Hey, it's something. Devil's advocate, but only getting in the red zone once won't cut it most weeks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freddie's Dead Posted September 14, 2015 Share Posted September 14, 2015 Hated the first play. First half was filled with finesse plays like that, even though we were built to beat the #$% outta people. First drive in 2nd half was fantastic. Power football, and we were beating the $%^ outta the Colts. No targets to Sammy until late in the game, would like to have seen a bubble screen (that sounds familiar somehow). Can't argue with the result, but we need to be better on offense next week. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Big Cat Posted September 14, 2015 Share Posted September 14, 2015 Devil's advocate, but only getting in the red zone once won't cut it most weeks. Devil's advocate counter: when you make it to the endzone twice from 20+ yards out, AND you tack on two field goals, I'm not worried about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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