BillsFan-4-Ever Posted September 8, 2015 Share Posted September 8, 2015 2013 EJ 2014 EJ 2015 Not EJ, I think they are learning over there at 1 Bills Dr. Finally they are learning to develop young players!!! Hallelujah!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VABills Posted September 8, 2015 Share Posted September 8, 2015 http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-game-highlights/0ap3000000517670/Cassel-scrambles-up-the-middle He had an 8 yard gain. That was as long as EJ's longest run in 4+ games last year. Way to prove my point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan-4-Ever Posted September 8, 2015 Share Posted September 8, 2015 (edited) Matt Cassel is the Bills backup QB. He's a perfectly good backup QB. In fact, I would even go so far as to say that he is a prototypical backup QB. Are the Packers counting on Scott Tolzien to take them to the promised land this season? But you just said in numerous posts that you thought he sucks. Please stick with one story line. This flip flopping is not helping your cause. Edited September 8, 2015 by BillsFan-4-Ever Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Last Guy on the Bench Posted September 8, 2015 Share Posted September 8, 2015 If you look at him on you tube, EJ was a very good runner in college. In regular season games he looked (imo) clumsy and lumbering, and it's hard to understand why. I agree. I don't think that he lacks the speed or quickness to be a decent runner - but he has no feel for it. He always looks awkward and unsure of himself. I don't think he's got the brain feel for running in space. Although, as you say, he looked somewhat better at Florida State (still not great in my opinion), so who knows? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yungmack Posted September 8, 2015 Share Posted September 8, 2015 After taking a 75% pay cut, it's more like a one year membership in the jelly-of-the-month club. But to his credit, I didn't think he'd accept it. BTW, anyone seen the Pegulas lately? At the US Open? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted September 8, 2015 Share Posted September 8, 2015 At the US Open? Phew! I was envisioning them being kidnapped into Cassel's RV. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LB3 Posted September 8, 2015 Share Posted September 8, 2015 EJ seems better with his demotion than TBD I think KTD nailed it with his take. EJ will likely be the guy to take over #1 if TT gets hurt or plays badly a few games in a row. Cassel will be backup for emergency in game play. Hopefully it's not just talk that all 3 help each other to get better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fridge Posted September 8, 2015 Share Posted September 8, 2015 He had an 8 yard gain. That was as long as EJ's longest run in 4+ games last year. Way to prove my point. It was 3rd and 10. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VABills Posted September 8, 2015 Share Posted September 8, 2015 http://www.vikings.com/media-vault/videos/Matt-Cassel-Highlights/e39e6dc1-775c-41d6-9629-9dee28b8acab Look at 1:27 of this video. Actually watch the whole video and tell me when EJ has ever made those throws? Or run like that. Bombs to wide open players against third stringers is great. But how's about in regular season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan-4-Ever Posted September 8, 2015 Share Posted September 8, 2015 Nope, never said that. ummm in a way you did. Clarification - the way you presented it you did. And yeah keep perpetuating this myth that I hate EJ and love Cassel. I have said that I thought EJ did enough to earn the #2 job but I would've kept Cassel as a #3, ideally at a reduced salary. In fact, thinking EJ had earned the #2 spot is the first thing I've been wrong about in quite some time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GG Posted September 8, 2015 Share Posted September 8, 2015 Not really true. He wasn't unless he was dirt cheap. And they were very willing for him to be not on the team. I would gauge they figured it was a less than 50-50 chance. They may even have had to promise him to be #2 before he agreed. There's a reason I referred to the coaches in my post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VABills Posted September 8, 2015 Share Posted September 8, 2015 It was 3rd and 10. And did EJ get a first down on every drive? Actually EJ had the worst down and out of all three QB's during preseason. Again those pesky stats. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fridge Posted September 8, 2015 Share Posted September 8, 2015 And did EJ get a first down on every drive? Actually EJ had the worst down and out of all three QB's during preseason. Again those pesky stats. What? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeGOATski Posted September 8, 2015 Share Posted September 8, 2015 And did EJ get a first down on every drive? Actually EJ had the worst down and out of all three QB's during preseason. Again those pesky stats. I'm loving all of your posts right now. Keep up the good work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted September 8, 2015 Share Posted September 8, 2015 http://www.vikings.com/media-vault/videos/Matt-Cassel-Highlights/e39e6dc1-775c-41d6-9629-9dee28b8acab Look at 1:27 of this video. Actually watch the whole video and tell me when EJ has ever made those throws? Or run like that. Bombs to wide open players against third stringers is great. But how's about in regular season. Amazing he went 9-17 the past 4 years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
metzelaars_lives Posted September 8, 2015 Share Posted September 8, 2015 (edited) But you just said in numerous posts that you thought he sucks. Please stick with one story line. This flip flopping is not helping your cause. I've never flip flopped once, nor do I have a cause. I have maintained the following things all along: 1.Going into this offseason, I thought it was less than likely that EJ developed into a franchise QB. 2. I think yes, throughout all of last offseason (which everyone forgot about last year but loves to talk about his preseason this year) and his last two games, he COMPLETELY sucked. That does not mean I necessarily wrote him off, I just disagreed with the idea presented by many, most notably OC in Buffalo, that I wasn't allowed to have an opinion on him yet. 3. I initially dismissed the coaching excuse but after seeing his improvement this preseason, I am inclined to think I may have been wrong about that. I think the previous regime may have hindered his development and I think the current one may help it. 4. He had two fair to good but much overhyped preseason games, followed by an amazing preseason game. 5. This move does not shock me. All of the "lamestream" media types who told us for weeks that EJ was a distant third in camp had no reason to lie to us. There was no anti-EJ agenda. There was an open competition between three guys. All of the EJ guys said, "hey if he can't beat out 'Meh' Cassel then the writing is on the wall." He finished third. That's it. 6. I still find it less than likely that EJ Manuel develops into a franchise QB in this league. How about you? Edited September 8, 2015 by metzelaars_lives Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VABills Posted September 8, 2015 Share Posted September 8, 2015 (edited) Amazing he went 9-17 the past 4 years. With the starting RB suspended. With pretty much a bad team around him. But the QB is the only one responsible? I am not saying Cassel is a great or even good QB. I am saying he is better than EJ. I for one am so glad that TT is our starter, Edited September 8, 2015 by VABills Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
metzelaars_lives Posted September 8, 2015 Share Posted September 8, 2015 (edited) With the starting RB suspended. With pretty much a bad team around him. But the QB is the only one responsible? I am not saying Cassel is a great or even good QB. I am saying he is better than EJ. I for one am so glad that TT is our starter, People who cite QB's W-L records as a be-all-end-all in a debate about how good a QB is are not worth debating with. Edited September 8, 2015 by metzelaars_lives Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PolishDave Posted September 8, 2015 Share Posted September 8, 2015 This shows that the Bill have allot of confidence in TT & EJ. Sarcasm? Hey, didn't Matt Cassel already give our playbook to the Patriots the night he was first released from the Bills? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VABills Posted September 8, 2015 Share Posted September 8, 2015 Sarcasm? Hey, didn't Matt Cassel already give our playbook to the Patriots the night he was first released from the Bills? Yes. This way TT gets hurt, since he is a china doll running QB. Then Cassel can be the savior. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Gun Posted September 8, 2015 Share Posted September 8, 2015 People who cite QB's W-L records as a be-all-end-all in a debate about how good a QB is are not worth debating with. +1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan-4-Ever Posted September 8, 2015 Share Posted September 8, 2015 (edited) a) I've never flip flopped once, nor do I have a cause. 6. I still find it less than likely that EJ Manuel develops into a franchise QB in this league. How about you? a) sure OK I believe you 1000% 6) Until proven otherwise, yes, I think EJ can be a starter in the league. Meaning watching him play in another 10 to 16 live games as the starter. Edited September 8, 2015 by BillsFan-4-Ever Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted September 8, 2015 Share Posted September 8, 2015 With the starting RB suspended. With pretty much a bad team around him. But the QB is the only one responsible? I am not saying Cassel is a great or even good QB. I am saying he is better than EJ. I for one am so glad that TT is our starter, People who cite QB's W-L records as a be-all-end-all in a debate about how good a QB is are not worth debating with. LOL! Oh, the irony! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TSOL Posted September 8, 2015 Share Posted September 8, 2015 Wow, this thread has really turned into a meeting of the minds Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan-4-Ever Posted September 8, 2015 Share Posted September 8, 2015 People who cite QB's W-L records as a be-all-end-all in a debate about how good a QB is are not worth debating with. Yes EJ 's 6-8 record proves he'll never be a starting QB in the NFL. Once again I GIVE UP. good day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PolishDave Posted September 8, 2015 Share Posted September 8, 2015 So many people butt hurt by the fact that the coach said EJ is #3 instead of #2. Either way he isn't playing. So who cares? He is still in the NFL as of today and still a Buffalo Bill. Isn't that what you wanted? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JESSEFEFFER Posted September 8, 2015 Share Posted September 8, 2015 (edited) I'll play the game. In the following quote: What was going to follow the "....."? "We brought Matt Cassel back,” Ryan said in an unscheduled meeting with reporters. “We said all along we like our three quarterbacks which is obvious. For your depth chart purposes Matt will be two, EJ [Manuel] will be three, but that means…. As I have said from day one we like all three of the guys and we never want to lose anybody obviously. So that is why we made the decision we did." The "your depth chart" implies the one released to the media. The "but" implies that there is more to the depth chart than appearances. What that is, I do not know. But I will speculate for the fun of it. The Bills like to have Cassel with the ones in practices, running plays that are in the game plan. They think there is something of benefit to Tyrod to have Matt Cassel there with him during practices and reviewing the tape. EJ will run the scout team because it's a better look for the D to defend a QB that can challenge them more and good for EJ because it gives him more reps than what the typical #2 gets. If they were actually going to miss/replace Tyrod for any significant amount of time, I don't know what the hell happens then. But if the answer to that is EJ, then what you have is an atypical #2/#3 situation which seems to be what Rex was starting to say and then didn't finish. #2 and #3 for the purposes of your (the press release roster) roster, but the Bills' situation is not what it seems. Somehow. Edited September 8, 2015 by JESSEFEFFER Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted September 8, 2015 Share Posted September 8, 2015 There's a reason I referred to the coaches in my post. I read and understood that. My point is that Whaley is sitting with Rex and Roman discussing the QBs and he says I'm considering releasing Matt and going with just EJ so we can try to lock up Dareus and Bradham. We have about a 50/50 chance of getting Matt back after he clears waivers. Rex and Roman, to me, have one of three basic responses: 1] I'm cool with that overall, EJ can handle the #2 duties. 2] I'd prefer to keep Matt but I think EJ can handle it and if it came down to trying to improve our roster I won't fight you on it. 3] I really think this is risky. We need the vet here if TT goes down and the difference between Matt and EJ is measurable. I would bet anything it was either one or two for both Rex and Roman and not three, otherwise Whaley would have acqueisced and said okay, if you feel strongly we won't risk losing him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VABills Posted September 8, 2015 Share Posted September 8, 2015 I read and understood that. My point is that Whaley is sitting with Rex and Roman discussing the QBs and he says I'm considering releasing Matt and going with just EJ so we can try to lock up Dareus and Bradham. We have about a 50/50 chance of getting Matt back after he clears waivers. Rex and Roman, to me, have one of three basic responses: 1] I'm cool with that overall, EJ can handle the #2 duties. 2] I'd prefer to keep Matt but I think EJ can handle it and if it came down to trying to improve our roster I won't fight you on it. 3] I really think this is risky. We need the vet here if TT goes down and the difference between Matt and EJ is measurable. I would bet anything it was either one or two for both Rex and Roman and not three, otherwise Whaley would have acqueisced and said okay, if you feel strongly we won't risk losing him. Or Whaley went rogue again. Rex and coaches threatened him and they signed Cassel back. Whaley turns out to look good in this saving the money, and coaches got the guy they wanted back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted September 8, 2015 Share Posted September 8, 2015 @JaySkurski BN Blitz: EJ Manuel hasn't asked #Bills for a trade, says he's 'good where I'm at right now' http://bills.buffalonews.com/2015/09/08/ej-manuel-hasnt-asked-bills-for-a-trade-says-hes-good-where-im-at-right-now/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
metzelaars_lives Posted September 8, 2015 Share Posted September 8, 2015 a) sure OK I believe you 1000% 6) Until proven otherwise, yes, I think EJ can be a starter in the league. Meaning watching him play in another 10 to 16 live games as the starter. a) tell me one thing I've ever said to contradict myself. 6) OK I think he CAN be a starter in this league too. I think there's a less than 50% chance that he develops into a franchise QB- like a multiple consecutive year reliable starter for a team. Do you still think there's a better than 50% chance? LOL! Oh, the irony! What is ironic about me saying that W-L record is not always the most pertinent way to gauge a QB's performance? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted September 8, 2015 Share Posted September 8, 2015 EJ Manuel: "My focus is to get better" (2:42)Bills quarterback EJ Manuel discusses the updated quarterback group, including the return of QB Matt Cassel and why he wants to continue to improve as he awaits his next opportunity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maury Ballstein Posted September 8, 2015 Share Posted September 8, 2015 I don't have time to page through this entire thread but there's gotta be some gems in here, right? Are there any pages that anyone would care to recommend I check out? So the EJ guys went from being upset about him not winning the starting job, even though it was clear to many that he deserved to have won it, to getting a consolation prize in the Bills seemingly declaring that Manuel was good enough to be the lone #2 by cutting every EJ guys' arch nemesis and then throwing an internet parade by mocking him to no end, to re-signing said arch nemesis only to demote EJ to #3. The roller coaster of emotions must be unbearable for some of you. Also Ryan L Billz, I told you he would sign with someone within a week as a clear cut #2 and you insisted he would end up in the arena league. So yeah. If Cassel enters a game we are screwed. Period. Enjoy the fluttering interceptions. I've seen this show before. Glad 3% of the population has forgotten about his body of work the last half decade and think he brings some sort of hope. Stay healthy TT. We need ya bud. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted September 8, 2015 Share Posted September 8, 2015 I'll play the game. In the following quote: What was going to follow the "....."? "We brought Matt Cassel back,” Ryan said in an unscheduled meeting with reporters. “We said all along we like our three quarterbacks which is obvious. For your depth chart purposes Matt will be two, EJ [Manuel] will be three, but that means…. As I have said from day one we like all three of the guys and we never want to lose anybody obviously. So that is why we made the decision we did." The "your depth chart" implies the one released to the media. The "but" implies that there is more to the depth chart than appearances. What that is, I do not know. But I will speculate for the fun of it. The Bills like to have Cassel with the ones in practices, running plays that are in the game plan. They think there is something of benefit to Tyrod to have Matt Cassel there with him during practices and reviewing the tape. EJ will run the scout team because it's a better look for the D to defend a QB that can challenge them more and good for EJ because it gives him more reps that what the typical #2 gets. If they were actually going to miss/replace Tyrod for any significant amount of time, I don't know what the hell happens then. But if the answer to that is EJ, then what you have is an atypical #2/#3 situation which seems to be what Rex was starting to say and then didn't finish. #2 and #3 for the purposes of your (the press release roster) roster, but the Bills' situation is not what it seems. Somehow. It could mean that if TT falters or gets injured, EJ will get the start and Cassel will be the backup. That's how they were going to roll (minus Cassel) until he took the massive pay cut to return. I read and understood that. My point is that Whaley is sitting with Rex and Roman discussing the QBs and he says I'm considering releasing Matt and going with just EJ so we can try to lock up Dareus and Bradham. We have about a 50/50 chance of getting Matt back after he clears waivers. Rex and Roman, to me, have one of three basic responses: 1] I'm cool with that overall, EJ can handle the #2 duties. 2] I'd prefer to keep Matt but I think EJ can handle it and if it came down to trying to improve our roster I won't fight you on it. 3] I really think this is risky. We need the vet here if TT goes down and the difference between Matt and EJ is measurable. I would bet anything it was either one or two for both Rex and Roman and not three, otherwise Whaley would have acqueisced and said okay, if you feel strongly we won't risk losing him. Cutting Cassel was a huge risk. You don't go from thinking you're making $4M to accepting a vet minimum salary easily and most guys would be pissed and go to another team for the same money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter Posted September 8, 2015 Share Posted September 8, 2015 FWIW, I think that we have three QBs that exceeded our expectations, who are professional, and get along very well. I think that it is great that Tyrod (or whoever is playing) will get the support of the other two cannot be overstated and is great for the team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted September 8, 2015 Share Posted September 8, 2015 Going against the prevailing sentiment here, neither am I. Not sure how E.J being the number three helps his development. Will running the scout team be enough to keep him on the upward path he took this year? That's a major question for me right now. I'd much rather have E.J. suited up on game day and absorbing the live action, even if he's holding a clipboard. Sitting in the pressbox, removed from his teammates is not development, IMO... It worked for Tyrod Taylor Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DDD Posted September 8, 2015 Share Posted September 8, 2015 I guess O'Leary was not the "steal of the draft" as he was crowned to be by some fans here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
metzelaars_lives Posted September 8, 2015 Share Posted September 8, 2015 Yes EJ 's 6-8 record proves he'll never be a starting QB in the NFL. Once again I GIVE UP. good day. Your post makes zero sense. Zero. I didn't say anything about EJ Manuel. I said that W-L record is an overrated way to judge a QB's performance. I think Tyrod Taylor is going to have a better record this season than Matt Ryan, Cam Newton, Drew Brees, Philip Rivers and Eli Manning. That doesn't mean I think he's a better QB. I have no idea what you're talking about with respect to EJ. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted September 8, 2015 Share Posted September 8, 2015 So many people butt hurt by the fact that the coach said EJ is #3 instead of #2. Either way he isn't playing. So who cares? He is still in the NFL as of today and still a Buffalo Bill. Isn't that what you wanted? This is true and I frankly have no problem with the moves Its Tyrod Time Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeGOATski Posted September 8, 2015 Share Posted September 8, 2015 I guess O'Leary was not the "steal of the draft" as he was crowned to be by some fans here. college TEs can be really misleading, especially if their grandfather is a famous golfer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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