thebandit27 Posted June 30, 2015 Share Posted June 30, 2015 1. Luck 2. Rodgers 3. Wilson 4. Newton 5. Ryan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mannc Posted June 30, 2015 Share Posted June 30, 2015 (edited) 1. Luck 1 (a) Wilson 3. Rogers (gap here due to age, not current performance) 4. Mariota 5. Newton Edited June 30, 2015 by mannc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dorkington Posted June 30, 2015 Share Posted June 30, 2015 1. Luck 2. Rodgers 3. Wilson 4. Newton 5. Ryan Basically Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
papazoid Posted June 30, 2015 Share Posted June 30, 2015 rodgers brady luck rivers wilson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eball Posted June 30, 2015 Share Posted June 30, 2015 Few things. First off, anyone who doesn't have Luck #1- I gotta seriously question their football acumen. Not that he'll necessarily be better than Rodgers but if you read the original post carefully, he is clearly the best answer to the question posed. Rodgers is obviously also in the top 5 because he's still young enough and he has relatively little wear and tear for a guy his age. Matt Ryan is 100% absolutely in the top 5 and it blows my mind that only one other person has mentioned him. Russell Wilson is also a shoe-in and anyone who spews the "he's overrated; he's not asked to do that much because their defense is so good" nonsense simply doesn't watch him play. So I think there is a clear cut top 4: 1. Luck 2. Rodgers 3. Ryan 4. Wilson After that, I think it's naïve to take Roethlisberger over Brady, Romo and certainly Rivers. He is entering his 12th year and he is beat up for an 11 year veteran. I wouldn't be surprised if Roethlisberger starts his inevitable decline before Brady does. After reading that SI article on Brady and how he takes care of his body last year and knowing just how much he loves to play the game, I am inclined to go Brady. It's hard to go against the best QB to ever play the game coming off one of his best seasons. I wouldn't be shocked if he is an elite QB at 40. Newton, Stafford, ehh. I'd probably take Flacco over either of them. 5. Brady This post would have been perfectly acceptable without denigrating everyone who doesn't agree. That's why they're called opinions. By the way, I agree with your five but in a different order: 1. Luck 2. Rodgers 3. Wilson 4. Brady 5. Ryan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan-4-Ever Posted June 30, 2015 Share Posted June 30, 2015 Rodgers Ryan Big Ben Flacco Wilson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted June 30, 2015 Share Posted June 30, 2015 Rodgers Ryan Big Ben Flacco Wilson No Luck? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Talley56 Posted June 30, 2015 Share Posted June 30, 2015 (edited) Rodgers Brees Luck Ryan Romo Unpopular sleeper bonus: Foles Edited June 30, 2015 by Talley56 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RyanTalbotBills Posted June 30, 2015 Share Posted June 30, 2015 Since age has to be a factor: 1. Rodgers (He's been unbelievable the last few seasons) 2. Luck 3. Wilson 4. Ryan 5. Flacco Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jauronimo Posted June 30, 2015 Share Posted June 30, 2015 No Luck? Its bad opinion Tuesday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
metzelaars_lives Posted June 30, 2015 Share Posted June 30, 2015 Rodgers Ryan Big Ben Flacco Wilson Did you consider Manuel? If you honestly believe the Bills would've finished 12-4 last year if they stuck with Manuel as you've stated, you have to at least consider him I would think. Also, you would take 11-year veteran Ben Roethlisberger who is about five years away from having trouble walking over 25 year old Andrew Luck to build a team around? At least you are in the minority of people who spelled Aaron Rodgers' name right. This post would have been perfectly acceptable without denigrating everyone who doesn't agree. That's why they're called opinions. By the way, I agree with your five but in a different order: 1. Luck 2. Rodgers 3. Wilson 4. Brady 5. Ryan Fair enough. Glad you agree though. I think Wilson and Ryan are pretty neck and neck, I could certainly see putting Wilson 3 ahead of Ryan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted June 30, 2015 Share Posted June 30, 2015 Did you consider Manuel? If you honestly believe the Bills would've finished 12-4 last year if they stuck with Manuel as you've stated, you have to at least consider him I would think. Also, you would take 11-year veteran Ben Roethlisberger who is about five years away from having trouble walking over 25 year old Andrew Luck to build a team around? At least you are in the minority of people who spelled Aaron Rodgers' name right. Fair enough. Glad you agree though. I think Wilson and Ryan are pretty neck and neck, I could certainly see putting Wilson 3 ahead of Ryan. It was actually the minority that spelled it wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeGOATski Posted June 30, 2015 Share Posted June 30, 2015 Tebow? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimdaigler Posted June 30, 2015 Share Posted June 30, 2015 What does this "death of the quarterback" thing -if true- tell us. Is there going to really be a new kind of NFL offense? Manuel and Taylor in the backfield at the same time to run, pitch, pass in assorted combinations? Wide open quadruple option offense? quadruple option with ground and pound to keep defenses from spreading too wide with too many db's? Athletic quarterbacks who mostly throw on the run who pitch to passing halfbacks? Terrible stats but with gigantic plays? Someone pass me the smelling salts my hearts all aflutter....... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted June 30, 2015 Share Posted June 30, 2015 What does this "death of the quarterback" thing -if true- tell us. Is there going to really be a new kind of NFL offense? Manuel and Taylor in the backfield at the same time to run, pitch, pass in assorted combinations? Wide open quadruple option offense? quadruple option with ground and pound to keep defenses from spreading too wide with too many db's? Athletic quarterbacks who mostly throw on the run who pitch to passing halfbacks? Terrible stats but with gigantic plays? Someone pass me the smelling salts my hearts all aflutter.......It was just a couple of bad QB years in 2013 & 2014. Bridgewater & Carr appear to be players and the 2 rookies this year have received a lot of praise through the offseason (despite Jameis working with the 2nd team some). Next year's class has potentially 5 1st rounders as well. It's not the death of the QB just a few down years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan-4-Ever Posted June 30, 2015 Share Posted June 30, 2015 No Luck? No Luck (yet) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeGOATski Posted June 30, 2015 Share Posted June 30, 2015 What does this "death of the quarterback" thing -if true- tell us. Is there going to really be a new kind of NFL offense? Manuel and Taylor in the backfield at the same time to run, pitch, pass in assorted combinations? Wide open quadruple option offense? quadruple option with ground and pound to keep defenses from spreading too wide with too many db's? Athletic quarterbacks who mostly throw on the run who pitch to passing halfbacks? Terrible stats but with gigantic plays? Someone pass me the smelling salts my hearts all aflutter....... Take a look at this 26-and-under list and tell me you're not impressed: Luck Stafford Wilson Newton Foles Bridgewater Carr Matt Simms Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted June 30, 2015 Share Posted June 30, 2015 No Luck (yet)What has Ryan accomplished that Luck hasn't? Just curious as to why he is on there instead of Luck? The rest of the guys have won Super Bowls so that made some sense to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan-4-Ever Posted June 30, 2015 Share Posted June 30, 2015 What has Ryan accomplished that Luck hasn't? Just curious as to why he is on there instead of Luck? The rest of the guys have won Super Bowls so that made some sense to me. What has Luck accomplished that Ryan hasn't? both have division win(s) and playoff win(s) Maybe I don't like his neck beard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnwalter Posted June 30, 2015 Share Posted June 30, 2015 1-Luck 2-Rodgers 3-Wilson 4-Cam T5-Winston T5-Bridgewater Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan-4-Ever Posted June 30, 2015 Share Posted June 30, 2015 (edited) Did you consider Manuel? If you honestly believe the Bills would've finished 12-4 last year if they stuck with Manuel as you've stated, you have to at least consider him I would think. Also, you would take 11-year veteran Ben Roethlisberger who is about five years away from having trouble walking over 25 year old Andrew Luck to build a team around? At least you are in the minority of people who spelled Aaron Rodgers' name right. sure I would consider Manuel as the Bills starter, but IMO I didn't think that isn't the point of this thread. But thanks for bringing EJ into the thread!! cheers to you. Should I take out Ryan and put in EJ? Will that make you happy? Edited June 30, 2015 by BillsFan-4-Ever Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
metzelaars_lives Posted June 30, 2015 Share Posted June 30, 2015 No Luck (yet) Luck is already better RIGHT NOW than all the quarterbacks you took except Rodgers. And he's younger than all of them. In each of his first three seasons, he made the playoffs in his first year, won a game in his second year and won two games in his third year. All with virtually no defense. His career trajectory couldn't be on a better track. Take Matt Ryan for instance. Andrew Luck is already putting up better numbers than Ryan has ever put up, he's five years younger and he's gotten the same distance in the playoffs (championship game). On what planet would you take Matt Ryan over Andrew Luck in any situation??? It's literally insane. This may be your most preposterous stance yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted June 30, 2015 Share Posted June 30, 2015 This may be your most preposterous stance yet. That is quite a bold statement and would really take some doing but you may be right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manther Posted June 30, 2015 Share Posted June 30, 2015 Ugh, I really really want to say Foles, but idk if he's top 5. Rodgers (well that was easy) Luck (He has some turnover issues, but he's turned garbage into gold in Indy) Brees (He's just darn good and very consistent despite his supporting cast) Big Ben (Pretty decent all around QB) Flacco (This guy is either overrated or underrated depending on who you ask, but he's great in the playoffs, and that's a plus for me) Here's hasn't been good on the road in years. He is not consistent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted June 30, 2015 Share Posted June 30, 2015 What has Luck accomplished that Ryan hasn't? both have division win(s) and playoff win(s) Maybe I don't like his neck beard. Ryan has failed to make the playoffs two years in a row with a crap D. Luck has not missed the playoffs despite a crap D. ATL's D was crappier for sure. But I think they had 3 wins one year. I just think he needs to pull the team through more than that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloHokie13 Posted June 30, 2015 Share Posted June 30, 2015 Ryan has failed to make the playoffs two years in a row with a crap D. Luck has not missed the playoffs despite a crap D. ATL's D was crappier for sure. But I think they had 3 wins one year. I just think he needs to pull the team through more than that. Luck has also won 3 playoff games in 3 years compared to Ryan's 1 playoff win in 7 years Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
metzelaars_lives Posted June 30, 2015 Share Posted June 30, 2015 That is quite a bold statement and would really take some doing but you may be right.It's certainly giving "the bills would've finished 12-4 last year had they stuck with Manuel" a run for its money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agent 91 Posted June 30, 2015 Share Posted June 30, 2015 Rodgers Brady Luck Newton Bridgewater Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FluffHead Posted June 30, 2015 Share Posted June 30, 2015 (edited) You're all forgetting Brett FavreYou sir are a gentleman and a scholar! @ESPNNFL: At age 45, 3-time MVP Brett Favre thinks he can still play in the NFL. http://t.co/t2oPvpBdFn Edited June 30, 2015 by FluffHead Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Billieve Posted June 30, 2015 Share Posted June 30, 2015 Luck Wilson Rogers Ryan Manuel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted June 30, 2015 Share Posted June 30, 2015 (edited) It was just a couple of bad QB years in 2013 & 2014. Bridgewater & Carr appear to be players and the 2 rookies this year have received a lot of praise through the offseason (despite Jameis working with the 2nd team some). Next year's class has potentially 5 1st rounders as well. It's not the death of the QB just a few down years.I am still not totally buying Carr yet. He was very up and down last year and I think there is a lot to prove. It might be blind optimisim because he was a project but I still think Bortles could come good if Jacksonville start being better around him. Bridgewater could be a breakout star this year. I think the Vikings are an NFC sleeper. Edited June 30, 2015 by GunnerBill Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan-4-Ever Posted June 30, 2015 Share Posted June 30, 2015 (edited) Luck is already better RIGHT NOW than all the quarterbacks you took except Rodgers. And he's younger than all of them. In each of his first three seasons, he made the playoffs in his first year, won a game in his second year and won two games in his third year. All with virtually no defense. His career trajectory couldn't be on a better track. Take Matt Ryan for instance. Andrew Luck is already putting up better numbers than Ryan has ever put up, he's five years younger and he's gotten the same distance in the playoffs (championship game). On what planet would you take Matt Ryan over Andrew Luck in any situation??? It's literally insane. This may be your most preposterous stance yet. IF you wish to get to the playoffs only to get crushed after the WC round then you should pick pick Luck. I am not a fan of PURE passers in the NFL as I feel balance is better. ergo that is why I picked Wilson and Ryan and Flacco and Rodgers and Big Ben. if you don't like my choices I am sorry. The question was asked I offered my opinion. Also, please insults are not necessary in this conversation. Edited June 30, 2015 by BillsFan-4-Ever Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted June 30, 2015 Share Posted June 30, 2015 (edited) IF you wish to get to the playoffs only to get crushed after the WC round then you should pick pick Luck. I am not a fan of PURE passers in the NFL as I feel balance is better. ergo that is why I picked Wilson and Ryan and Flacco and Rodgers and Big Ben. if you don't like my choices I am sorry. The question was asked I offered my opinion. Also, please insults are not necessary in this conversation. what do you mean by "pure passer?" Luck is very mobile outside the pocket, and fast. I think he ran a 4.58 40 at the combine. It's not that I dislike anything about your choices I just seek to understand what I do not understand Edited June 30, 2015 by YoloinOhio Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
metzelaars_lives Posted June 30, 2015 Share Posted June 30, 2015 (edited) IF you wish to get to the playoffs only to get crushed after the WC round then you should pick pick Luck. I am not a fan of PURE passers in the NFL as I feel balance is better. ergo that is why I picked Wilson and Ryan and Flacco and Rodgers and Big Ben. if you don't like my choices I am sorry. The question was asked I offered my opinion. Also, please insults are not necessary in this conversation. Look TBD wouldn't be the same without ya. Certainly no hard feelings. But come on man, you have gone on this utterly baseless anti-Luck tangent before and I just don't get it. So you're telling me that right now, if you could be handed a QB to play for the Bills, you would take Joe Flacco, Ben Roethlisberger entering his 12th year, Matt Ryan, who's never been as good ever as Luck already is, over Andrew Luck? What I think you may be doing here is trying to make a point that you're not as sold on Luck as the rest of us (which is fine, that's a fair opinion to have) but you're going maybe one step too far to make your point. Edited June 30, 2015 by metzelaars_lives Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan-4-Ever Posted June 30, 2015 Share Posted June 30, 2015 what do you mean by "pure passer?" Luck is very mobile outside the pocket, and fast. I think he ran a 4.58 40 at the combine. It's not that I dislike anything about your choices I just seek to understand what I do not understand One who relies more on his passing acumen then on his passing, scrambling and decision making. Again more the RW prototypical QB. What to the others who liked Ryan have to say about their choice? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan-4-Ever Posted June 30, 2015 Share Posted June 30, 2015 He just played in the AFC championship game and lost to arguably the best QB of all time. And Luck is way more mobile than Ryan, Flacoo, and Roethlisberger. You're beyond ridiculous. You're now a caricature of the wingnut that you used to be. the Colts got HUMILIATED just like his protogee Peyton Manning in the prior Super Bowl. Do not take my non listing of Luck as I think he sucks. I'll say it again and catch more crap Luck = P Manning early on. They operate in a more one dimensional O than a balanced. If this is not clear enough I apologize, I don't have more to offer. and thank you all for insulting me for providing their opinion You should all feel proud. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
metzelaars_lives Posted June 30, 2015 Share Posted June 30, 2015 the Colts got HUMILIATED just like his protogee Peyton Manning in the prior Super Bowl. Do not take my non listing of Luck as I think he sucks. I'll say it again and catch more crap Luck = P Manning early on. They operate in a more one dimensional O than a balanced. If this is not clear enough I apologize, I don't have more to offer. Question, and based on your posting history I think it's a fair one: Who would you take on your roster right now, EJ Manuel or Andrew Luck? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jauronimo Posted June 30, 2015 Share Posted June 30, 2015 (edited) the Colts got HUMILIATED just like his protogee Peyton Manning in the prior Super Bowl. Do not take my non listing of Luck as I think he sucks. I'll say it again and catch more crap Luck = P Manning early on. They operate in a more one dimensional O than a balanced. If this is not clear enough I apologize, I don't have more to offer. It is clear. Clearly f@#$ing insane. This is the first documented instance where a comparison to Peyton Manning was used as a criticism. You have a list of guys like Flacco, Ryan, and Roethlisberger who failed to advance as far in the playoffs as Luck or even make it to post season play and your criticism is that Luck is a young Peyton Manning (a first ballot hall of famer) who lost in the AFC Championship game and thats a bad thing. Edited June 30, 2015 by Jauronimo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atlbillsfan1975 Posted June 30, 2015 Share Posted June 30, 2015 Rodgers Luck Ryan Roethlisberger Rivers Age and ability. No thanks to R Wilson. Let's see him have to carry his team, not lend a hand. All five of those guys have been the main reason their teams have had success. Can we say the same about Wilson? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebandit27 Posted June 30, 2015 Share Posted June 30, 2015 Rodgers Luck Ryan Roethlisberger Rivers Age and ability. No thanks to R Wilson. Let's see him have to carry his team, not lend a hand. All five of those guys have been the main reason their teams have had success. Can we say the same about Wilson? In fairness to Wilson, he did rush for more yards than all but 14 running backs last season (he also rushed for 6 TDs), in addition to throwing for a career-best 3,475 yards with 20 TDs and a career-low 7 INTs, and that was with a pretty suspect OL. He's very, very good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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