stevestojan Posted May 7, 2015 Share Posted May 7, 2015 Well my thoughts on this took a 180 today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BUFFALOKIE Posted May 7, 2015 Share Posted May 7, 2015 I have to think that, if anything happens, it'll be over the cover up rather than the crime. If Brady had kept quiet and let the investigation play out there wouldn't be so much hubbub. Instead, he straight up denied it, and lied to Beli about it. Belicheck backed his QB and Kraft demanded an apology. Is it Christmas? It the off season that keeps on giving Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prickly Pete Posted May 7, 2015 Share Posted May 7, 2015 For me, if the Brady is suspended for a season, and the Bills win the Super Bowl, it won't be as gratifying. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted May 7, 2015 Share Posted May 7, 2015 @nytimes Tom Brady’s legacy as one of the best takes a hit after "Deflategate" http://nyti.ms/1IhZMfM Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reed83HOF Posted May 7, 2015 Share Posted May 7, 2015 The NFL couldn't 100% determine if the Patriots broke the rules. Well duh, it's impossible to do so when the team doesn't cooperate with an investigation!!! As an analogy, it's like the killer hiding the murder weapon from investigators. There's enough circumstantial evidence to convict, but all the naysayers will say there is no smoking gun. Now Now this isn't about Aaron Hernandez... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted May 7, 2015 Author Share Posted May 7, 2015 @richeisen: Just read full Wells Report -- circumstantial evidence damning. Zero proof Brady told anyone to take a pin to a football. Michigan grad Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hot Buffalo Wings Posted May 7, 2015 Share Posted May 7, 2015 I almost forgot about La'el Collins' date with Rex. What an entertaining offseason. I hope Brady gets suspended and we sign Collins on the same day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Wiz Posted May 7, 2015 Share Posted May 7, 2015 @richeisen: Just read full Wells Report -- circumstantial evidence damning. Zero proof Brady told anyone to take a pin to a football. Michigan grad Curious how many other staff members have multiple autographed game used equipment in their houses. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted May 7, 2015 Share Posted May 7, 2015 @richeisen: Just read full Wells Report -- circumstantial evidence damning. Zero proof Brady told anyone to take a pin to a football. Michigan grad Sounds accurate though, no? Lots of evidence but no singular piece of proof. Collectively it's a lot of strongly suggestive pieces that are damning though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reed83HOF Posted May 7, 2015 Share Posted May 7, 2015 (edited) Rich Eisen @richeisen 3m3 minutes ago Worst for Brady: saying he didn't know McNally's name; called/texted Jastremki 3 days str8 after title game with no such contact prev 6 mo Rich Eisen @richeisen 2m2 minutes ago And yet...if McNally was Brady's tamperer, you'd think he'd lavish him with gifts. Instead, McNally wanted Brady to go have sex with himself Rich Eisen @richeisen 2m2 minutes ago Patriots counsel refused to have McNally available for 2nd interview -- awful optic. Wells hammered team on it throughout report. Edited May 7, 2015 by Reed83HOF Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted May 7, 2015 Author Share Posted May 7, 2015 @richeisen: Patriots counsel refused to have McNally available for 2nd interview -- awful optic. Wells hammered team on it throughout report. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted May 7, 2015 Share Posted May 7, 2015 The theory that an employee deflated the footballs without being told to do it is preposterous because if Brady would have been able to tell immediately and have it corrected. And there's no direct proof because Tommy boy didn't cooperate. Which on its own is bad enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan1959 Posted May 7, 2015 Share Posted May 7, 2015 Rich Eisen @richeisen 3m3 minutes ago Worst for Brady: saying he didn't know McNally's name; called/texted Jastremki 3 days str8 after title game with no such contact prev 6 mo Rich Eisen @richeisen 2m2 minutes ago And yet...if McNally was Brady's tamperer, you'd think he'd lavish him with gifts. Instead, McNally wanted Brady to go have sex with himself Rich Eisen @richeisen 2m2 minutes ago Patriots counsel refused to have McNally available for 2nd interview -- awful optic. Wells hammered team on it throughout report. I think the report was pretty clear that McNally was the tamperer...and painted an overwhelming picture that Brady was behind it... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vincec Posted May 7, 2015 Share Posted May 7, 2015 One fallacy after another. Don't stop, get them all! https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/ If you eliminate all the items on this list then there would be no more public discourse on this board or in the world for that matter. People use these strategies in debating all the time, even though they are false. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lurker Posted May 7, 2015 Share Posted May 7, 2015 Eh? The Cheaters were caught cheating previously. The outrage is more that they did it again. I thought it was interesting that an agent -- you know, a player's advocate -- would imply that a player (even if it wasn't one in his stable) was in the wrong... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Numark3 Posted May 7, 2015 Share Posted May 7, 2015 @richeisen: Just read full Wells Report -- circumstantial evidence damning. Zero proof Brady told anyone to take a pin to a football. Michigan grad circumstantial evidence can't be proof? okay Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevewin Posted May 7, 2015 Share Posted May 7, 2015 Eh? The Cheaters were caught cheating previously. The outrage is more that they did it again. Exactly. And that they likely have done more that just hasn't been proven Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted May 7, 2015 Author Share Posted May 7, 2015 Great read @StevePoliti: Ive re-read the report and have read several pro-Pats takes. Theres no logical defense for Tom Brady. http://t.co/bvv6Gds3r0 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dorkington Posted May 7, 2015 Share Posted May 7, 2015 Great read @StevePoliti: Ive re-read the report and have read several pro-Pats takes. Theres no logical defense for Tom Brady. http://t.co/bvv6Gds3r0 I'm waiting to see a Boston journalist give an objective take. Then maybe I'll take the media response seriously. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Go Kiko go Posted May 7, 2015 Share Posted May 7, 2015 (edited) circumstantial evidence can't be proof? okay This. A million times this. There seems to be a fundamental misunderstanding of what circumstantial evidence means. "Circumstantial evidence," which simply refers to evidence that that is not direct evidence of a fact in question, is not inherently less "valuable" than direct evidence. Circumstantial evidence can be very valuable evidence: if a person walks into a room covered with drops of water and carrying a wet umbrella, that's pretty strong, albeit circumstantial, evidence that it's raining. As the courts say, "the law makes no distinction in the weight to be given to either direct or circumstantial evidence." The only question is whether all the evidence, taken together, establishes that it's more likely than not that some event transpired. And as the Wells Report repeats again and again, the evidence here showed that it is more likely than not that these events occurred. Edited May 7, 2015 by Go Kiko go Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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