Bill from NYC Posted March 31, 2015 Share Posted March 31, 2015 This board is chock full of posters who truly do pay careful attention to the draft. I deeply appreciate this. I am not into it as much this season because I am busy, and the truth is that the lack of a first round pick probably decreased my drive to delve into it. I am not going to name all of the posters who provide great info about the draft for fear of leaving one out. That said, I think that the Bills need a player who played LT in college but is projected to guard. Why do I say this? Easy. Because of Ruben Brown and Andy Levitre. These were absolutely solid LGs. Both played LT in college and their agility was there, big time! It's a passing league and our qb situation if far rom great. This football team needs a LG who can offer good pass protection, especially if EJ gets the nod. Levitre didn't play so well when he left Buffalo. I am guessing that this was due to injury because he was a fantastic LG for us. If a healthy Levitre was on this roster, the sky would be the limit imo. One last thing.....I am a lifelong Crimson Tide Fan. Kuondjio may come to mind for some, but I am not feeling it. He is a wonderful kid but I never thought he was a very good prospect and posted this. I would be thrilled to the max if he turns out to be a player but I am not seeing it. So, does anybody meet this description? GO BILLS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punching Bag Posted March 31, 2015 Share Posted March 31, 2015 Shame on you - you said Ruben Brown was an absolutely solid guard and there are STILL posters bashing him despite being a 9 year first-team all-pro. Do not watch college football except occasionally in a bar and I think it resembles NFL as does the CFL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted March 31, 2015 Share Posted March 31, 2015 La'el Collins (will be top 15 pick) from LSU and Ali Marpet (projected 2-3 rd) from Hobart meet that description. But I'm not an expert, just pay attention to those who are. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tsaikotic Posted March 31, 2015 Share Posted March 31, 2015 (edited) - Ali Marphet played LT for DIII Hobart College, can play all 3 positions, extremely athletic OLmen...ran the fastest of all OLmen at combine and 225 30 times...projected at 1st/2nd round - A.J. Cann rated as top OG by some, played LT for South Carolina...projected 1st/2nd round - Mitch Morse played LT for Missouri...projected as an OG in NFL...36 reps at 225#...projected as a 4th/5th rounder those are the only ones in the top 10 OG that played LT/RT in college and are projected as OG in NFL on www.cbssports.com La' el Collins, LSU, is projected as an OT but many say he'd be better inside at OG...he'll be gone in the first Edited March 31, 2015 by Tsaikotic Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted March 31, 2015 Share Posted March 31, 2015 - Ali Marphet played LT for DIII Hobart College, can play all 3 positions, extremely athletic OLmen...ran the fastest of all OLmen at combine and 225 30 times...projected at 1st/2nd round - A.J. Cann rated as top OG by some, played LT for South Carolina...projected 1st/2nd round - Mitch Morse played LT for Missouri...projected as an OG in NFL...36 reps at 225#...projected as a 4th/5th rounder those are the only ones in the top 10 OG that played LT/RT in college and are projected as OG in NFL on www.cbssports.com La' el Collins, LSU, is projected as an OT but many say he'd be better inside at OG...he'll be gone in the first AJ Cann I thought only played G in college, not LT. But, I think he would be a good fit for the Bills power scheme at LG. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
White Linen Posted April 1, 2015 Share Posted April 1, 2015 Shame on you - you said Ruben Brown was an absolutely solid guard and there are STILL posters bashing him despite being a 9 year first-team all-pro. Do not watch college football except occasionally in a bar and I think it resembles NFL as does the CFL. Great answer to the question. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gonzo1105 Posted April 1, 2015 Share Posted April 1, 2015 Jake Fisher is the perfect guy. If your looking to move Glenn to Guard he can play LT. If you want to replace Henderson at RT he can do that too. If you think you need a guard he can slot in there too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted April 1, 2015 Share Posted April 1, 2015 The tackle to guard projection also fits kromers history Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloFan68 Posted April 1, 2015 Share Posted April 1, 2015 If AJ Cann is there when we pick, we should run to get our pick in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloHokie13 Posted April 1, 2015 Share Posted April 1, 2015 I think Cedric Ogbuehi could be converted nicely to a Guard, or play RT, depending how we feel about his injury stuff Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeF Posted April 1, 2015 Share Posted April 1, 2015 (edited) Sleeper--Jamon Brown for Louisville -- played both RT and LT for the Cards-- has really good burst and punch but gets burned a bit laterally by speed rushes. Has weight control issues as well. But Bill he has the nasty streak I know you like. He will likely be there with the 5th or one of the two 6th round picks. He has never played G -- but its easier to kick a guy inside then out and he fits what Coach Kromer has converted to G in the past. Edited April 1, 2015 by Formerly Joe F Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Webster Guy Posted April 1, 2015 Share Posted April 1, 2015 What about center? If the best available is a rook center then we could move Wood to LG no? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lurker Posted April 1, 2015 Share Posted April 1, 2015 (edited) I think Daryl Williams OT from Oklahoma would be a good guard prospect. He's more athletic than the true guards like Cann and Tomlinson yet probably not nimble enough to play OT at the next level. He'd be a good get with their 3rd round pick... http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/players/1737524/daryl-williams http://www.nfl.com/draft/2015/profiles/daryl-williams?id=2552357 http://www.bigblueview.com/2015-nfl-draft/2015/3/28/8212341/2015-nfl-draft-daryl-williams-ot-oklahoma-scouting-report Edited April 1, 2015 by Lurker Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExWNYer Posted April 1, 2015 Share Posted April 1, 2015 AJ Cann I thought only played G in college, not LT. But, I think he would be a good fit for the Bills power scheme at LG. If AJ Cann is there when we pick, we should run to get our pick in. Most project Cann as a LG only so you're right there, Yolo. Very good fit. Other very good options would be Laken Tomlinson of Duke or Ali Marpet of Hobart, as mentioned upthread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Formerly Allan in MD Posted April 1, 2015 Share Posted April 1, 2015 Tomlinson or Marpet. Hopefully at least one of them will be available. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tsaikotic Posted April 1, 2015 Share Posted April 1, 2015 AJ Cann I thought only played G in college, not LT. But, I think he would be a good fit for the Bills power scheme at LG. your correct..my bad...I mis-read on him sry I only listed players that played LT in college that project as OG in pros....there are other players that are good also that played OG in college...like A.J. Cann can Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nanker Posted April 1, 2015 Share Posted April 1, 2015 Is this an attempt to bring back Astrobot? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhitewalkerInPhilly Posted April 1, 2015 Share Posted April 1, 2015 Is this an attempt to bring back Astrobot? I hope it works. I love his camp reports. But I agree that AJ Cann is an excellent fit for a power running system. Also Laken Tomlinson, who was ranked my NFL network as one of the 10 slam dunk safest prospects. If either is there at 50, I'd take them in a heartbeat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted April 1, 2015 Share Posted April 1, 2015 This board is chock full of posters who truly do pay careful attention to the draft. I deeply appreciate this. I am not into it as much this season because I am busy, and the truth is that the lack of a first round pick probably decreased my drive to delve into it. I am not going to name all of the posters who provide great info about the draft for fear of leaving one out. That said, I think that the Bills need a player who played LT in college but is projected to guard. Why do I say this? Easy. Because of Ruben Brown and Andy Levitre. These were absolutely solid LGs. Both played LT in college and their agility was there, big time! It's a passing league and our qb situation if far rom great. This football team needs a LG who can offer good pass protection, especially if EJ gets the nod. Levitre didn't play so well when he left Buffalo. I am guessing that this was due to injury because he was a fantastic LG for us. If a healthy Levitre was on this roster, the sky would be the limit imo. One last thing.....I am a lifelong Crimson Tide Fan. Kuondjio may come to mind for some, but I am not feeling it. He is a wonderful kid but I never thought he was a very good prospect and posted this. I would be thrilled to the max if he turns out to be a player but I am not seeing it. So, does anybody meet this description? GO BILLS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Bill with all due respect 1) Doesn't every QB need good pass protection? Or did I miss the superior athletic ability of journeyman Cassel? 2) You continue to overrated Levitre. Never sniffed a pro bowl and has been bad in Tennessee. He is an athletic G who is weak. He is great at pulling and solid in pass protection. But he is very weak at the POA and the Titans regret that contract. It's just funny that Spiller has been made a pro bowl and you love to bash him while Levitre has done nothing of note and you praise him. Gailey was a great offensive coach and designed plays to bring out his players' strengths. After watching our stupid offense under Marrone, this seems shocking. Gailey brought out the best in Levitre and covered up his weaknesses. He was never a top G. 3) I posted information that CK has a clear head and has been crushing it this offseason. Fans love giving up on players. I believe he has the inside track to the job. 4) Spending anything higher than a 3rd round pick on a G is a mistake. Better coaching will make this o line better. Every player on the oline regressed under Jacksonville's oline coach. Did they all suddenly get worse or did bad coaching/ offensive philosophy hurt them? I'm banking on the latter. 5) I like the kid from Hobart in the 4th. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhitewalkerInPhilly Posted April 1, 2015 Share Posted April 1, 2015 Bill with all due respect 1) Doesn't every QB need good pass protection? Or did I miss the superior athletic ability of journeyman Cassel? 2) You continue to overrated Levitre. Never sniffed a pro bowl and has been bad in Tennessee. He is an athletic G who is weak. He is great at pulling and solid in pass protection. But he is very weak at the POA and the Titans regret that contract. It's just funny that Spiller has been made a pro bowl and you love to bash him while Levitre has done nothing of note and you praise him. Gailey was a great offensive coach and designed plays to bring out his players' strengths. After watching our stupid offense under Marrone, this seems shocking. Gailey brought out the best in Levitre and covered up his weaknesses. He was never a top G. 3) I posted information that CK has a clear head and has been crushing it this offseason. Fans love giving up on players. I believe he has the inside track to the job. 4) Spending anything higher than a 3rd round pick on a G is a mistake. Better coaching will make this o line better. Every player on the oline regressed under Jacksonville's oline coach. Did they all suddenly get worse or did bad coaching/ offensive philosophy hurt them? I'm banking on the latter. 5) I like the kid from Hobart in the 4th. Good stuff. Mostly minor quibbles. 1) Due to CK's length, I really have him pegged as a tackle. It changes how you get leverage, but he might make the transition. 2) I honestly think good G is underrated so I have no problem using a 2nd. And the Cowboys are pretty happy with Zack Martin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebandit27 Posted April 1, 2015 Share Posted April 1, 2015 Here: http://forums.twobillsdrive.com/topic/174895-bandits-2015-draft-report-ogs/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted April 1, 2015 Share Posted April 1, 2015 Good stuff. Mostly minor quibbles. 1) Due to CK's length, I really have him pegged as a tackle. It changes how you get leverage, but he might make the transition. 2) I honestly think good G is underrated so I have no problem using a 2nd. And the Cowboys are pretty happy with Zack Martin. Agreed. CK fits the criteria that Bill was talking about in the OP (college LT to G). And it's hard to argue with the Martin point. I still think you should be able to find solid Gs later in the draft and LT/ C are much more important positions. But if we got Martin at 50, I'd be very happy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebandit27 Posted April 1, 2015 Share Posted April 1, 2015 Conversion guys that I like: - La'el Collins, although I think some team will draft him as a tackle - Daryl Williams of Oklahoma, who I also believe can play tackle - Mike Liedtke of Illinois State - Andrew Donnal from Iow State Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rockinon Posted April 1, 2015 Share Posted April 1, 2015 What about center? If the best available is a rook center then we could move Wood to LG no? That's why I like this Marpet kid. He can play any position on the line. There is risk with him because he is from a D-III program, but man, have you seem how he has done at the combine? He is at the top in nearly every catagory. 225lbs, 30 reps. Fast 40 and shuttle. Plus he is dominating in the positional drills. High risk/reward but I think worth the risk. Also, since he can play any position including center, he is going to be highly sought after in the draft. Might be the perfect pick in the second even if we do have to hear all of the complaining over D-III stuff. Fred was D-III, doesn't mean he can't play though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted April 1, 2015 Share Posted April 1, 2015 That's why I like this Marpet kid. He can play any position on the line. There is risk with him because he is from a D-III program, but man, have you seem how he has done at the combine? He is at the top in nearly every catagory. 225lbs, 30 reps. Fast 40 and shuttle. Plus he is dominating in the positional drills. High risk/reward but I think worth the risk. Also, since he can play any position including center, he is going to be highly sought after in the draft. Might be the perfect pick in the second even if we do have to hear all of the complaining over D-III stuff. Fred was D-III, doesn't mean he can't play though.that small school risk is what will allow us to draft him later. Kouandjio was at the biggest of programs in the best conference and look what that yielded (so far, I haven't given up on him). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luxy312 Posted April 1, 2015 Share Posted April 1, 2015 Jeremiah Poutasi for a 5th rounder. He's pretty much exactly what you're talking about. Started off his collegiate career on the right side and played LT for the last two seasons for Utah. He struggled there a little bit with the better edge speed rushers, which makes him a candidate to move to guard anyway. At 6-5 and 322, he paves the road. In terms of the prior poster and Ali Marpet, you would have to pick him in the 3rd or maybe even the 2nd. He's similar in height to Poutasi, but has about 30 pounds less on a narrow frame with much shorter arms. Not ideal for an offensive lineman and you can't coach him to have longer arms. For me, Poutasi is less risk and more reward, and the Bills can fill other positions of need with earlier draft picks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jr1 Posted April 1, 2015 Share Posted April 1, 2015 AJ Cann Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChan Posted April 1, 2015 Share Posted April 1, 2015 Bill with all due respect 1) Doesn't every QB need good pass protection? Or did I miss the superior athletic ability of journeyman Cassel? 2) You continue to overrated Levitre. Never sniffed a pro bowl and has been bad in Tennessee. He is an athletic G who is weak. He is great at pulling and solid in pass protection. But he is very weak at the POA and the Titans regret that contract. It's just funny that Spiller has been made a pro bowl and you love to bash him while Levitre has done nothing of note and you praise him. Gailey was a great offensive coach and designed plays to bring out his players' strengths. After watching our stupid offense under Marrone, this seems shocking. Gailey brought out the best in Levitre and covered up his weaknesses. He was never a top G. 3) I posted information that CK has a clear head and has been crushing it this offseason. Fans love giving up on players. I believe he has the inside track to the job. 4) Spending anything higher than a 3rd round pick on a G is a mistake. Better coaching will make this o line better. Every player on the oline regressed under Jacksonville's oline coach. Did they all suddenly get worse or did bad coaching/ offensive philosophy hurt them? I'm banking on the latter. 5) I like the kid from Hobart in the 4th. Don't you always laugh off Cassel's ProBowls as anomalies, and here you are singing the praises of one ProBowl in 5 years for a mediocre RB? I wouldn't point out someone else's double standard when you live by them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted April 1, 2015 Share Posted April 1, 2015 Hi Rodak, its called a smokescreen @mikerodak: Doug Whaleys comments last week on Bills offensive line make it seem less of a draft need: http://t.co/HKGW99K6Enhttp://t.co/8SiN7vqgmC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BackInDaDay Posted April 1, 2015 Share Posted April 1, 2015 i can tell you who it won't be - any man less than 330lbs. which leaves alot of the 300lb prospects off the board. no way Roman puts a 300lb guard next to a 300lb center, and expects them to handle the middle of the D-line and whatever a-gap blitzes come their way without help.. nope - not happening. not in this offense. every guy he lines up has to win his battle 1 on 1 so Roman can get numbers on the playside. shoring up the middle takes a man away from his scheme to overwhelm you at the poa. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill from NYC Posted April 2, 2015 Author Share Posted April 2, 2015 Bill with all due respect 1) Doesn't every QB need good pass protection? Or did I miss the superior athletic ability of journeyman Cassel? C'mon CB. We both know that it's easier for a veteran to make a decision than it is for an inexperienced qb, with VERY few exceptions. 2) You continue to overrated Levitre. Never sniffed a pro bowl and has been bad in Tennessee. He is an athletic G who is weak. He is great at pulling and solid in pass protection. But he is very weak at the POA and the Titans regret that contract. It's just funny that Spiller has been made a pro bowl and you love to bash him while Levitre has done nothing of note and you praise him. I addressed Tennessee. Imo he was injured. The man was our best blocker and did he ever miss a game? And for that matter, has Glenn looked as good as he did playing next to Levitre? And please don't tell me that you place a lot of status in the pro bowl. Has EJ made one? 3) I posted information that CK has a clear head and has been crushing it this offseason. Fans love giving up on players. I believe he has the inside track to the job. Once again, I'm a Bama Fan and have always viewed him as a reach. I would love it for him to be a success. He always seemed like a really great kid. 4) Spending anything higher than a 3rd round pick on a G is a mistake. I respectfully disagree. 5) I like the kid from Hobart in the 4th. I'll take a look, thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuck Wagon Posted April 2, 2015 Share Posted April 2, 2015 Hi Rodak, its called a smokescreen @mikerodak: Doug Whaleys comments last week on Bills offensive line make it seem less of a draft need: http://t.co/HKGW99K6Enhttp://t.co/8SiN7vqgmC Are these writers really that clueless to take everything Whaley says at face value? He's been playing up the QB prospects and doing everything short of saying "Oh yeah, we are totally 100% for sure taking a QB on day 2" while he's also basically been saying "Oh, we are very happy with our line, I don't know why we'd ever take a lineman in this draft." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted April 2, 2015 Share Posted April 2, 2015 (edited) This board is chock full of posters who truly do pay careful attention to the draft. I deeply appreciate this. I am not into it as much this season because I am busy, and the truth is that the lack of a first round pick probably decreased my drive to delve into it. I am not going to name all of the posters who provide great info about the draft for fear of leaving one out. That said, I think that the Bills need a player who played LT in college but is projected to guard. Why do I say this? Easy. Because of Ruben Brown and Andy Levitre. These were absolutely solid LGs. Both played LT in college and their agility was there, big time! It's a passing league and our qb situation if far rom great. This football team needs a LG who can offer good pass protection, especially if EJ gets the nod. Levitre didn't play so well when he left Buffalo. I am guessing that this was due to injury because he was a fantastic LG for us. If a healthy Levitre was on this roster, the sky would be the limit imo. One last thing.....I am a lifelong Crimson Tide Fan. Kuondjio may come to mind for some, but I am not feeling it. He is a wonderful kid but I never thought he was a very good prospect and posted this. I would be thrilled to the max if he turns out to be a player but I am not seeing it. So, does anybody meet this description? GO BILLS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I really had no opinion of Kouandjoie before the draft other than I remembered he kept getting smoked in the Sugar Bowl vs. Oklahoma. However, just thought it was interesting as I was looking through Matt Miller's (lead NFL scout on Bleacher Report) pre-draft rankings from last year and he had him ranked 28th overall on his big board. Yes I know I spelled his name wrong. Are these writers really that clueless to take everything Whaley says at face value? He's been playing up the QB prospects and doing everything short of saying "Oh yeah, we are totally 100% for sure taking a QB on day 2" while he's also basically been saying "Oh, we are very happy with our line, I don't know why we'd ever take a lineman in this draft." Exactly. They have really been using the media to get these two messages out there loud and clear. Edited April 2, 2015 by YoloinOhio Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Malooga Posted April 2, 2015 Share Posted April 2, 2015 - Ali Marphet played LT for DIII Hobart College, can play all 3 positions, extremely athletic OLmen...ran the fastest of all OLmen at combine and 225 30 times...projected at 1st/2nd round - A.J. Cann rated as top OG by some, played LT for South Carolina...projected 1st/2nd round - Mitch Morse played LT for Missouri...projected as an OG in NFL...36 reps at 225#...projected as a 4th/5th rounder those are the only ones in the top 10 OG that played LT/RT in college and are projected as OG in NFL on www.cbssports.com La' el Collins, LSU, is projected as an OT but many say he'd be better inside at OG...he'll be gone in the first "Bottom Line: Has the body type and movement of a zone-scheme center with guard potential. Technically sound and has athleticism to become an NFL starter, but must prove he can handle the substantial jump in power and speed he will see. Looked strong enough at the Senior Bowl, but he could be a year away from being ready. Ascending prospect with a chance to be one of the steals from this year's group of interior blockers." http://www.nfl.com/draft/2015/profiles/ali-marpet?id=2552332 As I posted in another thread, I saw him play a couple times down the road, and a high school friend/teammate of mine coached him for 2 years...he just does not seem like a fit, especially in the 2nd round. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lofton80 Posted April 2, 2015 Share Posted April 2, 2015 Marpet played DIII competition. Whaley has picked exclusively from the major conferences since he took over the Bills draft. I dont think Whaley is going to change his pattern with so few picks this year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted April 8, 2015 Share Posted April 8, 2015 @nfldraftscout: Need a new offensive tackle? Here's a full scouting report on every one of them in this year's draft http://t.co/0u1ANuBsbs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nanker Posted April 8, 2015 Share Posted April 8, 2015 Okay Bill, here's some film on OGs that should be available for The Bills - depending on what round they may want to make the pick. AJ Cann: http://draftbreakdown.com/players/aj-cann/ Laken Tomlinson: http://draftbreakdown.com/?s=Laken+Tomlinson Ali Baba at the Senior Bowl: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=siPei_ky9kU&feature=youtu.be Tre Jackson, FSU RIGHT Tackle: Do you think he could be moved to LG? Or is he too stupid like so many other FSU players are? Someone you already know about - who's the brother of somebody you already know about: http://draftbreakdown.com/?s=arie+kouandjio Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted April 9, 2015 Share Posted April 9, 2015 @nfldraftscout: Full rankings, grades and scouting reports on every draftable guard in this year's class: http://t.co/y6UT1aKudE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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