Global warming err Climate change HOAX

[plenzmd1]

10 minutes ago, DC Tom said:

 

Seriously...every year since I've moved here, DC gets at least one heat wave that's a week long with temperatures of 95+ and heat indexes of 105+.  Usually two.  

 

So that's 20 years, maybe 30 heat waves...but I'm sure this time it's global warming's fault.

Wife and I were talking last night. Remember one weekend in 95  in DC that was the hottest ever experienced

 

I agree weather is not climate, and heat wave does not indicate global warming anymore than than a cold snap indicates the absence of such. 

 

 

Edited July 19, 2019 by plenzmd1

[jrober38]

4 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said:

It's the manufactured hysteria about the topic, designed to push political reform (some would say revolution) as the cure which is what draws people's laughter and jokes. Is the climate changing? Sure. Is mankind to blame? Perhaps. Is it an imminent catastrophe destined to destroy civilization within the decade. Not a chance.

 

Civilization won't end in 10 years, but it might in 50 unless things correct.

 

If things continue, billions of people will starve, and a world war will begin with many of the belligerents having nuclear weapons. 

 

The world is hotter than it's ever been before on record. If that continues, our kids are in major trouble.

Edited July 19, 2019 by jrober38

[DC Tom]

Just now, jrober38 said:

 

Civilization won't end in 10 years, but it might in 50 unless things correct.

 

Billions of people will starve, and a world war will begin with many of the belligerents having nuclear weapons. 

 

The world is hotter than it's ever been before on record. If that continues, our kids are in major trouble.

 

And how long is that record?

[KRC]

1 minute ago, jrober38 said:

 

Civilization won't end in 10 years, but it might in 50 unless things correct.

 

If things continue, billions of people will starve, and a world war will begin with many of the belligerents having nuclear weapons. 

 

The world is hotter than it's ever been before on record. If that continues, our kids are in major trouble.

 

I will take the apocalyptic predictions seriously when one of them actually comes true. For decades, we have been hearing "We're all gonna die!!!1!!" only to see nothing even close to their predictions coming true.

[jrober38]

4 minutes ago, DC Tom said:

 

And how long is that record?

 

About 140 years of hard data.

 

Prior to that you'd have to dive much deeper into physical accounts of how crops grew, etc to measure what the climate was doing in certain parts of the world that kept records. These type of charting records go back about 1,000 years. 

2 minutes ago, KRC said:

 

I will take the apocalyptic predictions seriously when one of them actually comes true. For decades, we have been hearing "We're all gonna die!!!1!!" only to see nothing even close to their predictions coming true.

 

Don't you think that's going to be too late?

 

If it happens and the world gets another 2-3 degrees Celsius warmer, our grand kids are all going to die in a nuclear war as countries go to war over water and food resources. 

Edited July 19, 2019 by jrober38

[Deranged Rhino]

5 minutes ago, jrober38 said:

 

Civilization won't end in 10 years, but it might in 50 unless things correct.

 

If things continue, billions of people will starve, and a world war will begin with many of the belligerents having nuclear weapons. 

 

The world is hotter than it's ever been before on record. If that continues, our kids are in major trouble.

 

It "might" become catastrophic in 50 years, so we must completely reform our political and economic system from a democratic republic to a socialist/communist state because the government knows how best to run the world. 

 

That's why people laugh. 

 

Backdoor revolutions, masked in "but the environment" pleas should be called out for what they are. 

[KRC]

2 minutes ago, jrober38 said:

 

About 140 years of hard data.

 

Prior to that you'd have to dive much deeper into physical accounts of how crops grew, etc to measure what the climate was doing in certain parts of the world that kept records. These type of charting records go back about 1,000 years. 

 

Don't you think that's going to be too late?

 

If it happens and the world gets another 2-3 degrees Celsius warmer, our grand kids are all going to die in a nuclear war as countries go to war over water and food resources. 

 

Wait. So there is going to be a lack of water? I thought that we were going to be flooded because of all of the glaciers melting. Which is it?

[jrober38]

5 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said:

 

It "might" become catastrophic in 50 years, so we must completely reform our political and economic system from a democratic republic to a socialist/communist state because the government knows how best to run the world. 

 

That's why people laugh. 

 

I think people laugh because they're convinced it's not happening.

 

I don't think it's a funny issue. I have two kids under 4 and I very much worry about the world they're going to grow up when they're my age.

4 minutes ago, KRC said:

 

Wait. So there is going to be a lack of water? I thought that we were going to be flooded because of all of the glaciers melting. Which is it?

 

Can you drink salt water?

 

Can you irrigate a farm with water from the ocean?

 

There are mass droughts all over the equator right now. Why do you think so many people are leaving Nicaragua, Honduras and Guatemala?

 

Edited July 19, 2019 by jrober38

[leh-nerd skin-erd]

2 minutes ago, jrober38 said:

 

About 140 years of hard data.

 

Prior to that you'd have to dive much deeper into physical accounts of how crops grew, etc to measure what the climate was doing in certain parts of the world that kept records. These type of charting records go back about 1,000 years. 

 

Don't you think that's going to be too late?

 

If it happens and the world gets another 2-3 degrees Celsius warmer, our grand kids are all going to die in a nuclear war as countries go to war over water and food resources. 

140 years of "hard data"??

Come on, even you can't believe that. 

 

We're a nation where a massive attack on our citizenry and infrastructure was carried out less than 20 years ago with a handful of boxcutters. You would trust "climate data" from  the Wright Brother's neighbor Svenn Roker? 

[KRC]

4 minutes ago, jrober38 said:

 

I think people laugh because they're convinced it's not happening.

 

I don't think it's a funny issue. I have two kids under 4 and I very much worry about the world they're going to grow up when they're my age.

 

Can you drink salt water?

 

Can you irrigate a farm with water from the ocean?

 

 

So, we have lost our abilities to process water in this apocalyptic world? All that water sitting there and there is nothing we can do with it. 

[Deranged Rhino]

Just now, jrober38 said:

 

I think people laugh because they're convinced it's not happening.

 

I don't think it's a funny issue. I have two kids under 4 and I very much worry about the world they're going to grow up when they're my age.

 

Fear is how they manipulate you. It's the easiest method. Think back to 2001 and the debates which followed the attacks. We were pushed, by fear, to give up some bedrock civil liberties because we were told it was necessary to guarantee our safety. How did that work out? Are we safer today because of the Patriot Act? Or is the world the same, albeit with less protections for our privacy rights and due process? 

 

Read the link I provided above in full. The "projections" about the climate are just that -- projections. Based on models, which cannot predict the future but merely transport the present into the future. That's not a way to gain an accurate view of the future. Models cannot predict advancements in technology and research which can lead to new ways to power our world and clean the very real messes humans have made. Taking the models as gospel is to presume that the most fundamental elements of human nature (the ability to adapt and innovate) will suddenly stop. 

 

I understand the fear of your kids' futures. But perhaps you should be more alarmed at the (multiple) pushes to move us from a form of government that protects your children's inalienable rights to one where those rights are deemed dangerous to the "greater good". One is a much bigger threat to your children's future... and it's not the climate. 

[IDBillzFan]

14 minutes ago, jrober38 said:

 

Civilization won't end in 10 years, but it might in 50 unless things correct.

 

Wait. We're not going to die soon?

 

Damn. I owe 100 grand to a fat-ass loan shark that I spent on a stripper name Molly Mounds.

[leh-nerd skin-erd]

1 minute ago, Deranged Rhino said:

 

Fear is how they manipulate you. It's the easiest method. Think back to 2001 and the debates which followed the attacks. We were pushed, by fear, to give up some bedrock civil liberties because we were told it was necessary to guarantee our safety. How did that work out? Are we safer today because of the Patriot Act? Or is the world the same, albeit with less protections for our privacy rights and due process? 

 

Read the link I provided above in full. The "projections" about the climate are just that -- projections. Based on models, which cannot predict the future but merely transport the present into the future. That's not a way to gain an accurate view of the future. Models cannot predict advancements in technology and research which can lead to new ways to power our world and clean the very real messes humans have made. Taking the models as gospel is to presume that the most fundamental elements of human nature (the ability to adapt and innovate) will suddenly stop. 

 

I understand the fear of your kids' futures. But perhaps you should be more alarmed at the (multiple) pushes to move us from a form of government that protects your children's inalienable rights to one where those rights are deemed dangerous to the "greater good". One is a much bigger threat to your children's future... and it's not the climate. 

Add "guilt" to that recipe and you have a winner. Fear and Guilt. 

[row_33]

Just now, leh-nerd skin-erd said:

Add "guilt" to that recipe and you have a winner. Fear and Guilt. 

 

And hate

[jrober38]

Just now, Deranged Rhino said:

 

Fear is how they manipulate you. It's the easiest method. Think back to 2001 and the debates which followed the attacks. We were pushed, by fear, to give up some bedrock civil liberties because we were told it was necessary to guarantee our safety. How did that work out? Are we safer today because of the Patriot Act? Or is the world the same, albeit with less protections for our privacy rights and due process? 

 

Read the link I provided above in full. The "projections" about the climate are just that -- projections. Based on models, which cannot predict the future but merely transport the present into the future. That's not a way to gain an accurate view of the future. Models cannot predict advancements in technology and research which can lead to new ways to power our world and clean the very real messes humans have made. Taking the models as gospel is to presume that the most fundamental elements of human nature (the ability to adapt and innovate) will suddenly stop. 

 

I understand the fear of your kids' futures. But perhaps you should be more alarmed at the (multiple) pushes to move us from a form of government that protects your children's inalienable rights to one where those rights are deemed dangerous to the "greater good". One is a much bigger threat to your children's future... and it's not the climate. 

 

My kids' rights ultimately don't matter if they're dead due to a world war. 

 

More importantly though, finding ways to use less energy and water and reducing your carbon footprint has next to nothing to do with their rights. 

 

Today Donald Trump literally started selling plastic straws on his website to raise money and troll climate change believers. The fact that it is a joke to some people is what I find most concerning.

[GG]

Just now, jrober38 said:

 

My kids' rights ultimately don't matter if they're dead due to a world war. 

 

More importantly though, finding ways to use less energy and water and reducing your carbon footprint has next to nothing to do with their rights. 

 

Today Donald Trump literally started selling plastic straws on his website to raise money and troll climate change believers. The fact that it is a joke to some people is what I find most concerning.

 

OK, I'll bite.   What's wrong with straws again?  

[jrober38]

Just now, GG said:

 

OK, I'll bite.   What's wrong with straws again?  

 

I wouldn't expect you to understand why single use plastics are a problem. 

[row_33]

12 minutes ago, jrober38 said:

 

I wouldn't expect you to understand why single use plastics are a problem. 

 

That was a sick burn

 

 

[GG]

13 minutes ago, jrober38 said:

 

I wouldn't expect you to understand why single use plastics are a problem. 

 

That's why I asked you to explain it to me.

[B-Man]

GLOBAL WARMING PROPAGANDA

 

 

From the current The Week That Was, the invaluable compilation of climate-related information from the Science and Environmental Policy Project:

Led by John Christy, the Earth System Science Center, The University of Alabama in Huntsville (UAH), has 40 years of direct measurement of atmospheric temperature trends, yet the IPCC and others cling to surface measurements with very poor global coverage, with data contaminated by the urban heat-island effect. The IPCC ignores atmospheric data, where the greenhouse effect occurs. Based on their 40-years’ worth of worldwide data, the UAH group has estimated, in a published paper, that a doubling of carbon dioxide (CO2) will result in an increase in temperatures of about 1.1 degree C or 2 degrees F.

 

As discussed in the previous two TWTWs, physicist William van Wijngaarden and his colleagues, using measurements of the effects of greenhouse gases without the effects of clouds, have found that a doubling of CO2 (from 400 parts per million to 800 parts per million), Methane (CH4), Nitrous Oxide (N2O) with a 6% increase in the dominant greenhouse gas, water vapor, will result in an increase in temperatures of about 1 to 1.5 degree C or 2 to 3 degrees F. The lowest value the IPCC projects is 1.5 degree C, which is the highest value of what van Wijngaarden projects. The highest value of the IPCC is 4.5 degrees C, far higher than van Wijngaarden.

 

One of the huge problems with global warming hysteria is that it is based on a combination of unverified models and surface temperature data that has been “adjusted” to fit the left’s climate narrative.

 

The work of van Wijngaarden is based on libraries compiled by Harvard-Smithsonian Center for Astrophysics Atomic and Molecular Physics, the updating of which is discussed in a recent paper published in the Journal of Quantitative Spectroscopy and Radiative Transfer. Unlike data from some groups, the data are not a secret and can be explored using the internet and a laptop computer.

 

Liberals attach a mystical and often contradictory power to global warming. Here in Minnesota, we are having a rainy Summer. Climate change! Somewhere else, they are experiencing a drought. Climate change! And “climate change” (regardless of whether the climate has actually changed in any relevant way) is commonly invoked to explain any negative phenomenon–but not, of course, anything good.

 

 

 

 

 

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[IDBillzFan]

25 minutes ago, jrober38 said:

 

I wouldn't expect you to understand why single use plastics are a problem. 

 

Then explain it to me.

 

Why ban straws? Why not ban ALL single use plastics; spoons, forks, whatever that thing is that KFC gives you.

 

What is wrong specifically with plastic straws that it required a ban?

[Koko78]

1 hour ago, jrober38 said:

 

About 140 years of hard data.

 

Prior to that you'd have to dive much deeper into physical accounts of how crops grew, etc to measure what the climate was doing in certain parts of the world that kept records. These type of charting records go back about 1,000 years.

 

Yeah, and those historical records indicate that it was warmer 1,000 years ago than it is now. There was no mass extinction of humanity.

 

1 hour ago, jrober38 said:

Can you irrigate a farm with water from the ocean?

 

Yes, actually.

 

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/israel-proves-the-desalination-era-is-here/

Edited July 19, 2019 by Koko78

[DC Tom]

1 hour ago, jrober38 said:

 

About 140 years of hard data.

 

Prior to that you'd have to dive much deeper into physical accounts of how crops grew, etc to measure what the climate was doing in certain parts of the world that kept records. These type of charting records go back about 1,000 years. 

 

 

It was a rhetorical question.

 

God, I love it when people jump to the end of a 200+ page thread and start spouting off as though nothing's ever been discussed before. 

[Deranged Rhino]

1 hour ago, jrober38 said:

 

I wouldn't expect you to understand why single use plastics are a problem. 

 

So the entire cup and lid are made out of plastic -- and are single use. Yet the solution pushed is not to change the cups and lid (more plastic waste than straws) and focus instead on the smallest amount of plastic in the equation -- and then package the new "eco friendly" paper straws in ... wait for it... more plastic. 

 

It is precisely "solutions" like this, pushed by governments and those panicked by the fear mongering, which makes the whole thing laughable. Replacing plastic straws with paper straws is not a solution -- it's moving money around at one level and making life needlessly more ridiculous for the average folk who bear the brunt of these policies to begin with. 

 

1 hour ago, jrober38 said:

More importantly though, finding ways to use less energy and water and reducing your carbon footprint has next to nothing to do with their rights. 

 

Mandating that people must do that, despite the higher costs and time investments required to do so properly, has everything to do with rights. 

 

That's what you're failing to see. The slippery slope of the whole thing because you're so focused on the concocted "crisis" which... isn't really a crisis in the way they want you to think.

[Foxx]

1 hour ago, jrober38 said:

... If it happens and the world gets another 2-3 degrees Celsius warmer, our grand kids are all going to die in a nuclear war as countries go to war over water and food resources. 

no need to go to war over lack of water, there really isn't a scarcity though that is probably what the leftist's would like you to think.

 

this article is two years old now.

Israel Proves the Desalination Era Is Here

 

necessity is and always has been the mother of invention.

Edited July 19, 2019 by Foxx

[Dante]

Zero emissions when running. To bad it's only for two hours and needs a diesel generator to charge it up. Lame

 

 

https://www.citizenfreepress.com/breaking/priceless-show-this-to-every-climate-idiot-you-know/

[Foxx]

lets not forget that we have a population of 320 mm in a world of 7.5 bn. roughly 1/23 of the world's populace. granted, our footprint is pretty big but reducing our carbon footprint would only be a drop in the bucket without the rest of the world doing the same. myself, i believe in green energy but that is me, i am not forcing it upon anyone, it is a choice i have made 

Edited July 19, 2019 by Foxx

[B-Man]

 

 

The New York Times Says Heat Waves Are Getting Worse. The National Climate Assessment Disagrees.

 

 

 

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[3rdnlng]

She showed us fossils of petrified palm trees and snail shells. Holding a shard of a fossilized turtle shell, our guide described the ocean floor before us where resident tortoises were once the size of Subaru’s and horses were the size of house cats.

 

https://windriver.org/the-red-desert/

 

One can find fossilized palm trees in Greenland too.

[3rdnlng]

This is the kind of nonsense that every thinking man or woman rejects*

 

https://pjmedia.com/vodkapundit/this-week-in-cali-madness-saving-the-planet-from-natural-gas/

 

Are you tired of paying too little for clean-burning energy that reduces carbon emissions? Then has Berkeley got a deal for you!

On Tuesday, the City Council approved a new ordinance forbidding any new low-rise residences from using natural gas: It's all-electric or nothin', baby. Councilwoman Kate Harrison, who sponsored the measure, told the Chronicle that "It’s an enormous issue" and "When we think about pollution and climate-change issues, we tend to think about factories and cars, but all buildings are producing greenhouse gas."

And more than a few local politicians, too.

Eventually, new commercial buildings will feel the (electric) heat, as the ordinance will eventually ban natural gas from almost all new construction.

The best part? The new ordinance comes complete with a $273,341 staff position in the Building and Safety Division responsible for enforcing the ban. "Nope, I didn't see any gas lines going into those houses. That will be $273,341, please." The position is only supposed to last for two years, but given the nature of government -- especially in California -- you can bet it's going to turn into a lifetime appointment for the offspring or cousin of someone important.

Meanwhile: PG&E Braces for Power Cuts.

* Thanks to B-Man for posting this in the California thread.

[plenzmd1]

22 hours ago, Deranged Rhino said:

 

So the entire cup and lid are made out of plastic -- and are single use. Yet the solution pushed is not to change the cups and lid (more plastic waste than straws) and focus instead on the smallest amount of plastic in the equation -- and then package the new "eco friendly" paper straws in ... wait for it... more plastic. 

 

It is precisely "solutions" like this, pushed by governments and those panicked by the fear mongering, which makes the whole thing laughable. Replacing plastic straws with paper straws is not a solution -- it's moving money around at one level and making life needlessly more ridiculous for the average folk who bear the brunt of these policies to begin with. 

 

 

Mandating that people must do that, despite the higher costs and time investments required to do so properly, has everything to do with rights. 

 

That's what you're failing to see. The slippery slope of the whole thing because you're so focused on the concocted "crisis" which... isn't really a crisis in the way they want you to think.

now @DC Tom has me scared to jump in here..as i certainly have not been in this thread LOL!

 

Hey hey, we have found common ground! I believe in global warming, but the "solutions" and just overall fear mongering and loss of common sense has the exact opposite effect of what the zealots want..and that's a shame too!

 

In reality, i am not too worried about carbon emissions, i am 100% convinced we will be almost exclusively solar powered in the next 10-15 years..in all areas.

 

BTW, you mentioned advances and this is a pretty good illustration of that. Yall are porlly aware of this..i just learned about a few months ago.Always remember the internal combustion engine and the transportation it enabled was seen as the "green" invention to save humanity from  the greatest environmental crisis of the day

 

 

https://www.historic-uk.com/HistoryUK/HistoryofBritain/Great-Horse-Manure-Crisis-of-1894/

 

[B-Man]

 

 

Summer Heat Wave? It's Global Warming... Or Is It?

by Roger L. Simon

Original Article

[Nanker]

On 7/19/2019 at 3:38 PM, Koko78 said:

 

Yeah, and those historical records indicate that it was warmer 1,000 years ago than it is now. There was no mass extinction of humanity.

 

 

Yes, actually.

 

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/israel-proves-the-desalination-era-is-here/

https://www.tauntongazette.com/news/20180409/dighton-desalination-facility-offers-brockton-cost-cut

The city of Brockton, MA has a desalination plant in the nearby town of Taunton.

They committed to it when the area had a significant drought in the early 2000s. 

They're paying through the nose fort's capacity, but it's hardly been used since it became operational. 

[3rdnlng]

1 hour ago, B-Man said:

 

 

Summer Heat Wave? It's Global Warming... Or Is It?

by Roger L. Simon

Original Article

Hmmmmn. It's almost as if it always got hot in DC in the summers.

 

https://uschs.wordpress.com/2012/08/23/august-recess-a-history/

 

Although it has been a tradition since the summer of 1791, August recess actually became a statutory requirement since the Legislative Reorganization Act of 1970, making it the only statutory recess on the House and Senate calendars. The tradition first began mainly due to the oppressive heat and humidity that August would bring, not only to DC, which is where Congress has met since 1800, but also in both Philadelphia and New York City, where Congress met prior to moving into their permanent home here. Since their move to the Capitol in 1800, things didn’t improve much as neither chamber was built in a manner that allowed for air to move around enough to provide any relief from the hot summer weather (not to mention the smells that would take over due to the trash and sewage out in the streets of the capital). Once the new chambers were built in the 1850s during the Capitol extension, there was hope amongst members of the House and Senate that the “modern ventilation systems” that were supposedly a part of both new chambers would bring some measure of relief, but it was soon very clear that they were ineffective.

[B-Man]

 

 

The Fake Science of Global Warming

by John Hinderaker

 

Original Article

 

Francis Menton sticks it to the global warming lobby, good and hard:

If you follow closely the subject of hypothesized human-caused global warming, you probably regularly experience, as I do, a strong sense of cognitive dissonance. On the one hand, you read dozens of pieces from seemingly authoritative media sources, as well as from important political officeholders, declaring that the causal relationship between human CO2 emissions and rapidly rising global temperatures is definitive….

 

On the other hand, you studied the scientific method back in high school, and you can’t help asking yourself the basic questions that that method entails:

 

* What is the falsifiable hypothesis that is claimed to have been empirically validated? You can’t find it!

 

* What was the null hypothesis, and what about the data caused the null hypothesis to be rejected? You can’t find that either!

 

* Where can you get access to the methodology (computer code) and the full data set that was used in the hypothesis validation process; and are those sufficient to fully replicate the results? You can’t find these things either!

 

* You learn that there have been major after-the-fact adjustments to the principal data sets that are used to claim rapidly warming global temperatures and to justify press releases claiming that a given year or month was the “hottest ever.” You look to see if you can find details supporting the data alterations, and you learn that such details are not available, as if they are some kind of top secret from the Soviet Union.

 

 

This is not science, obviously. There is much more at the link, 

[DC Tom]

On 7/23/2019 at 8:12 AM, B-Man said:

 

* Where can you get access to the methodology (computer code) and the full data set that was used in the hypothesis validation process; and are those sufficient to fully replicate the results? You can’t find these things either!

 

* You learn that there have been major after-the-fact adjustments to the principal data sets that are used to claim rapidly warming global temperatures and to justify press releases claiming that a given year or month was the “hottest ever.” You look to see if you can find details supporting the data alterations, and you learn that such details are not available, as if they are some kind of top secret from the Soviet Union.

 

Both of those are freely available, from NASA and NOAA.  I have them.

[jrober38]

Today was the highest temperature ever recorded in Germany, Belgium, The Netherlands, and Paris, France.

 

It's very concerning some people view climate change as a "hoax". 

[IDBillzFan]

16 minutes ago, jrober38 said:

Today was the highest temperature ever recorded in Germany, Belgium, The Netherlands, and Paris, France.

 

It's very concerning some people view climate change as a "hoax". 

 

We've been told we're all going to die in 12 years.

 

We've been told there is nothing we can do about it.

 

Laughing is all we can do.

[Wacka]

Big deal , we had 117 when I lived in CA.

[jrober38]

12 minutes ago, IDBillzFan said:

 

We've been told we're all going to die in 12 years.

 

We've been told there is nothing we can do about it.

 

Laughing is all we can do.

 

It's not 12 years or we die. I think it was 12 years to get to net zero emissions or else we reach a point where it may be impossible to reverse a changing climate, because too much CO2 will have accumulated in the atmosphere, and the Earth will just keep warming on its own.