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Totally agree wit hyou. I've posted this a few times, likely Hakett goes unless the offense improves greatly.

 

OC...however, I think in the Off Season, unless a Super Bowl is had - I think Marrone is told to get a new OC and if he refuses, he either resigns or he's fired...this Offense is too talented and too damn good to be sitting at 5-3, and to that end - by the slightest of margins with some bad games, particularly against the Vikes...

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Since FireChan likes to bump this, I figured I:

 

1) Doug Marrone is a bigger Dick Jauron with a better roster. Dock Jaurrone.

 

2) Orton is Fitz with a better arm and less mobility.

 

3) Sumlin just upset the #3 team in the country with a new starting QB. In a "bad" year, he has 2 wins over top 10 teams this year with 2 different qbs.

 

I'm praying we rally but the second we are out of playoff contention, get Sumlin on the phone. It's about time we see some creative offensive coaching.

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Your love for EJ is unbelievable. Fire an HC for benching him after a horrific game? Good god Biscuit, get it together.

 

CJ stinks. SJ13 had 3 good years with Fitz because he was the only NFL WR on the team those years.

 

You may have more respect going 4-12 with EJ, but I have more respect for Marrone being a man, saying EJ isn't playing well enough, and having the stones to make a change, when he knows it's going to be a media firestorm.

 

ALSO

 

Norv Turner stinks. Like really bad. Ruined a Chargers team that had the most talent on both sides of the ball for 3 years. Shanny has sucked ever since he had a QB not named Elway. Morhinweg actively lost the Jets a game by calling a stupid timeout that he actually couldn't even do.

 

Hackett's greatest fault is what? Getting open receivers that the QB can't hit?

 

 

This all day!

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Since FireChan likes to bump this, I figured I:

 

1) Doug Marrone is a bigger Dick Jauron with a better roster. Dock Jaurrone.

 

2) Orton is Fitz with a better arm and less mobility.

 

3) Sumlin just upset the #3 team in the country with a new starting QB. In a "bad" year, he has 2 wins over top 10 teams this year with 2 different qbs.

 

I'm praying we rally but the second we are out of playoff contention, get Sumlin on the phone. It's about time we see some creative offensive coaching.

 

None of those things have anything to do with why you wanted Marrone fired.

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None of those things have anything to do with why you wanted Marrone fired.

 

Regardless of why he wants Marrone fired, he's right. The Bills' offense is unimaginative. Players aren't being put in the best position to succeed. The Bills aren't adapting to opponents' strengths and weaknesses. Take the last two games for example. Against the Jets, the Bills were averaging seven times as many yards per pass play as they did on running plays. Hackett therefore dialed up twice as many running plays as pass plays! :o

 

On the other hand, the Chiefs have the league's best pass defense, but a suspect running defense. The Bills' running game was working against the Chiefs. Hackett called up twice as many pass plays as running plays. Hackett's tendency to gravitate toward the stuff that doesn't work is inexplicable. Given that Marrone comes from an offensive background himself, the weakness of the offensive coaching is on him.

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Regardless of why he wants Marrone fired, he's right. The Bills' offense is unimaginative. Players aren't being put in the best position to succeed. The Bills aren't adapting to opponents' strengths and weaknesses. Take the last two games for example. Against the Jets, the Bills were averaging seven times as many yards per pass play as they did on running plays. Hackett therefore dialed up twice as many running plays as pass plays! :o

 

On the other hand, the Chiefs have the league's best pass defense, but a suspect running defense. The Bills' running game was working against the Chiefs. Hackett called up twice as many pass plays as running plays. Hackett's tendency to gravitate toward the stuff that doesn't work is inexplicable. Given that Marrone comes from an offensive background himself, the weakness of the offensive coaching is on him.

 

Motivations matter.

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Since FireChan likes to bump this, I figured I:

 

1) Doug Marrone is a bigger Dick Jauron with a better roster. Dock Jaurrone.

 

2) Orton is Fitz with a better arm and less mobility.

 

3) Sumlin just upset the #3 team in the country with a new starting QB. In a "bad" year, he has 2 wins over top 10 teams this year with 2 different qbs.

 

I'm praying we rally but the second we are out of playoff contention, get Sumlin on the phone. It's about time we see some creative offensive coaching.

 

Forget Sumlin. I want Gus Malzahn if we're talking about a college coach whose system would be a questionable fit in the NFL.

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Regardless of why he wants Marrone fired, he's right. The Bills' offense is unimaginative. Players aren't being put in the best position to succeed. The Bills aren't adapting to opponents' strengths and weaknesses. Take the last two games for example. Against the Jets, the Bills were averaging seven times as many yards per pass play as they did on running plays. Hackett therefore dialed up twice as many running plays as pass plays! :o

 

On the other hand, the Chiefs have the league's best pass defense, but a suspect running defense. The Bills' running game was working against the Chiefs. Hackett called up twice as many pass plays as running plays. Hackett's tendency to gravitate toward the stuff that doesn't work is inexplicable. Given that Marrone comes from an offensive background himself, the weakness of the offensive coaching is on him.

 

Agree 100%. But I think it's taking care of itself. I don't see this team winning more than 2 more games, and Marrone is hanging himself with his weekly stubbornness and stupidity. He'll get canned at this rate, I'm feeling pretty certain about it.

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Why is it that Marrone is held accountable for the the failures of the Offence, but is given no credit for the success of the Defense? Dareus was very average until Marrone arrived. In 2012 the defense was 22nd, 5.6 yards allowed per play. In 2013 it was 4th, 4.9 yards allowed per play. This year they are 4th again with 4.9 yards per play. I agree that the offence needs improvement, but IMO the overall team is still much better now than it was when he took over. Only giving him 1 1/2 seasons to overcome the past failures of 14 years is not enough time. I believe calling for his head, bringing in another coach nobody wants, and starting all over again is crazy talk giving the direction of the team.

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Agree 100%. But I think it's taking care of itself. I don't see this team winning more than 2 more games, and Marrone is hanging himself with his weekly stubbornness and stupidity. He'll get canned at this rate, I'm feeling pretty certain about it.

We can only hope.

 

Marrone seems to be so intent in making sure his best bud ST coach Danny Crossman's unit is fully stocked, and competitive. That he is overlooking the far more important issue of his failing offense.

 

Don't get me wrong as I would have loved to see the Bills crush the Chiefs, and would love to see this team 7-2. I really don't care who the Bill HC coach, or OC is as long as the Bills win. I have no personal vendetta here, I just want to to see wins. The stupidity simply can't be ignored tho.

 

A lot of fans saw the ineptitude of the offense against the Jets in the previous game. 13 drives starts, and only 3 actually managed extended drives that ended in scores. Then two of those were big passing plays. Four full series out of those 13 lost yardage, and the other 7 resulted in 3 downs, and out with a punt. If not for the defense playing great, and getting 6 turnovers the resulting score could have easily been a 20-23 loss.

 

Marrone needs to put more time, and resources into the offense. Unless he already is..and that's a scary prospect.

 

Regardless of why he wants Marrone fired, he's right. The Bills' offense is unimaginative. Players aren't being put in the best position to succeed. The Bills aren't adapting to opponents' strengths and weaknesses. Take the last two games for example. Against the Jets, the Bills were averaging seven times as many yards per pass play as they did on running plays. Hackett therefore dialed up twice as many running plays as pass plays! :o

 

On the other hand, the Chiefs have the league's best pass defense, but a suspect running defense. The Bills' running game was working against the Chiefs. Hackett called up twice as many pass plays as running plays. Hackett's tendency to gravitate toward the stuff that doesn't work is inexplicable. Given that Marrone comes from an offensive background himself, the weakness of the offensive coaching is on him.

Well said, and clearly Schwartz doesn't need any assistance. So, its just offense and special teams.
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Why is it that Marrone is held accountable for the the failures of the Offence, but is given no credit for the success of the Defense? Dareus was very average until Marrone arrived. In 2012 the defense was 22nd, 5.6 yards allowed per play. In 2013 it was 4th, 4.9 yards allowed per play. This year they are 4th again with 4.9 yards per play. I agree that the offence needs improvement, but IMO the overall team is still much better now than it was when he took over. Only giving him 1 1/2 seasons to overcome the past failures of 14 years is not enough time. I believe calling for his head, bringing in another coach nobody wants, and starting all over again is crazy talk giving the direction of the team.

 

Marrone was advertised as as someone who'd be innovative and improve the offense. In addition, given his OL background, we were told he'd help that unit. Yet, after week 2, the offense has become stagnant, save for the gift NYJ gave Buffalo 2 weeks ago.

 

Marrone hired Nate Hackett, who isn't qualified to be a NFL OC and undoubtedly this move was prompted by the fact that the two wanted to run a similar offense which features little imagination and predictable play-calling.

 

The team is trending in the wrong direction with Marrone running things. Offensively they've averaging a shade below 20 points per in the last 7 games, which is a far cry from where we figured they'd be with more talent supposedly on the roster.

 

EDIT: Buffalo is 23rd in the league in both yards per game (331.0) and points per game (21.2). Not the innovation and output you'd expect from how Brandon advertised Marrone.

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http://static.espn.g...eg/1453717.html

 

Teams should be a lot more aggressive on fourth down," Romer says with the precise air of a scientist. "On average, you'd be better off going for it, essentially, in any short-yardage situation, and then there are some cases even in longer yardage when you're in that position where neither punting nor a field goal looks very attractive.

 

Bellyache doe it often does he not?

 

when it works he's a genius when it doesn't he's losing it.

 

please don't twist my post to say that I implied that Marone = Bellyache

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We are in the middle of a realistic run to the playoffs. Lets not turn this organization into the Raiders. It takes time to change a culture and this leadership team is doing exactly that. Last week was a setback, a huge opportunity wasted. Lets see how they respond on Thursday before we judge the character of the 2014 Buffalo Bills. We had some great wins like the Vikings win, making big plays just when they were needed. Remember week 1 and Freddie's run to setup the win. I did not see the Patriots loose faith after their beat down by KC. They focused on the next game and what they needed to do to win. Marrone and Whaley are correcting issues that were created in past years and left uncorrected and festering. Regaining our winning culture after years with Williams, Mularkey (SMDH), Jauren & Gailey. You gotta give them a little time after that list.

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This team better switch to Schwartz as head coach sooner rather than later before someone takes him after the season.just saying

 

The Lions never carried him off the field when he was in Detroit. Some people are great coordinators but not cut out to be the guy.

 

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2014/01/01/schwartzs-5-years-worst-for-any-coach-since-expansion-bucs/

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This team better switch to Schwartz as head coach sooner rather than later before someone takes him after the season.just saying

What part of going 29-51 .363 WIN%, 0-1 .000 WIN% postseason looks attractive to you? And he had a very talented team, who is 7-2 without him this year. No team is coming to take him away for at least a few years. Edited by LOVEMESOMEBILLS
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Marrone was advertised as as someone who'd be innovative and improve the offense. In addition, given his OL background, we were told he'd help that unit. Yet, after week 2, the offense has become stagnant, save for the gift NYJ gave Buffalo 2 weeks ago.

 

Marrone hired Nate Hackett, who isn't qualified to be a NFL OC and undoubtedly this move was prompted by the fact that the two wanted to run a similar offense which features little imagination and predictable play-calling.

 

The team is trending in the wrong direction with Marrone running things. Offensively they've averaging a shade below 20 points per in the last 7 games, which is a far cry from where we figured they'd be with more talent supposedly on the roster.

 

EDIT: Buffalo is 23rd in the league in both yards per game (331.0) and points per game (21.2). Not the innovation and output you'd expect from how Brandon advertised Marrone.

 

After 9 games, their record in 2012 was 3-6; 2013 3-6; 2014 5-4; How is that going in the wrong direction?

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This team better switch to Schwartz as head coach sooner rather than later before someone takes him after the season.just saying

Good point, and I'll bet he gets an awful lot of looks at HCing jobs this off season. A lot of the reasons a HC does or doesn't make it depends on his GM, and his assistant hires. Schwartz did inherit a 0-16 team and got them to 10-6.

Nobody thought Pettine was going to get looks either.

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Why is it that Marrone is held accountable for the the failures of the Offence, but is given no credit for the success of the Defense? Dareus was very average until Marrone arrived. In 2012 the defense was 22nd, 5.6 yards allowed per play. In 2013 it was 4th, 4.9 yards allowed per play. This year they are 4th again with 4.9 yards per play. I agree that the offence needs improvement, but IMO the overall team is still much better now than it was when he took over. Only giving him 1 1/2 seasons to overcome the past failures of 14 years is not enough time. I believe calling for his head, bringing in another coach nobody wants, and starting all over again is crazy talk giving the direction of the team.

 

By all accounts Marrone left Pettine alone and is leaving Schwartz alone.....Voila. Meanwhile, back on offense, he ditched Stevie, benched Williams and Urbik, promoted 5'2" Brad Lamb, runs CJ up the middle, goes for it on 4th and 10, wimps out on 4th and an inch.....

 

I think the best answer for Marrone is to get a completely top notch OC in here, sit back being a manager keeping his fingers out of the pie and watch his offense reach its potential.....like Marv with Marchibroda. That doesn't seem to be in his nature though.

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Good point, and I'll bet he gets an awful lot of looks at HCing jobs this off season. A lot of the reasons a HC does or doesn't make it depends on his GM, and his assistant hires. Schwartz did inherit a 0-16 team and got them to 10-6.

Nobody thought Pettine was going to get looks either.

The HC doesn't hire the GM. I know thats central theme to most of your opinions as you are wont to blame Marrone for personnel decisions, but the HC does not hire the GM.

 

Pettine courted Cleveland as much as they pursued him. I don't recall any other teams calling about Pettine. He is a head coach because no one else would take the Cleveland job.

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The HC doesn't hire the GM. I know thats central theme to most of your opinions as you are wont to blame Marrone for personnel decisions, but the HC does not hire the GM.

 

 

 

 

Was it Marrone's personnel decision to bench Mike Williams in favor of Brad Lamb and a kickoff specialist? Sure would have been nice to be able to throw to Williams in the end zone during 4Q Sunday huh?

 

Look, he is just not the right coach for this team because this team is in the NFL. If this were Pop Warner you can play everybody and reward Lamb for his hard work by running a few plays for him. In the NFL you simply can't leave round 1 talent on the bench, lose the game in part because you lacked the very skill he has, and then be held blameless.

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Good point, and I'll bet he gets an awful lot of looks at HCing jobs this off season. A lot of the reasons a HC does or doesn't make it depends on his GM, and his assistant hires. Schwartz did inherit a 0-16 team and got them to 10-6.

Nobody thought Pettine was going to get looks either.

Ahhh, he did inherit an 0-16 and a couple years later get them to 10-6, but you failed to include the year after the 10-6 year when they went 4-12 or the year after when they went 7-9. He had one winning season out of five: 2-14, 6-10, 10-6, 4-12, 7-9. The Lions are 7-2 without him this year. Pettine got a look from the Browns and that's it. That only came when it was clear nobody wanted the job. Edited by LOVEMESOMEBILLS
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Ahhh, he did inherit an 0-16 and a couple years later get them to 10-6, but you failed to include the year after the 10-6 year when they went 4-12 or the year after when they went 7-9. He had one winning season out of five: 2-14, 6-10, 10-6, 4-12, 7-9. The Lions are 7-2 without him this year.

 

Schwartz has been great for us, but L'm not sure the folks in Detroit feel that way. His teams were undisciplined and blew games because if it. Not to mention the famous Harbaugh handshake incident, not exactly what you look for in your leadership team. He's done a great job with our defense and if he gets another opportunity at the end of the season so be it.

 

If he did I'd love to get Mike Singletary in here. I think he could do great things for us with the talent that we have on defense.

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Schwartz has been great for us, but L'm not sure the folks in Detroit feel that way. His teams were undisciplined and blew games because if it. Not to mention the famous Harbaugh handshake incident, not exactly what you look for in your leadership team. He's done a great job with our defense and if he gets another opportunity at the end of the season so be it.

 

If he did I'd love to get Mike Singletary in here. I think he could do great things for us with the talent that we have on defense.

That's just it between the 29-51 record, the handshake incident and his team being undisciplined I don't see him getting another chance for a few years. For the record I'm not trying to put him down he's just a much better DC than Head Coach, and I'm glad he's our DC.
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The HC doesn't hire the GM. I know thats central theme to most of your opinions as you are wont to blame Marrone for personnel decisions, but the HC does not hire the GM.

 

Pettine courted Cleveland as much as they pursued him. I don't recall any other teams calling about Pettine. He is a head coach because no one else would take the Cleveland job.

That did not happen here but high profile HCs, when hired, do indeed request a certain GM be brought in with them.

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There are only a few coaching staffs that would have lost to KC with the effort put forth by this team last week and unfortunately we have one of them. How many games can we afford to lose because of coaching? I am sure these are only a few examples outside Hackett's horrendous play calling. Just incredibly naive moves. Marrone looks clueless on the sideline. Put in Schwartz.

 

1. Not playing Urbik weeks ago.

2. Never playing Mike Williams.

3. Playing Freddie and Watkins when they were not healthy enough vs KC.

4. Believing that Goodwin is a pro WR.

5. Playing EJ in the first game last year.

6. Nothing behind EJ once they let TJax go back to Seattle.

7. Abandoning the run game and thinking that you have a passing game when you don't have a legit TE.

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There are only a few coaching staffs that would have lost to KC with the effort put forth by this team last week and unfortunately we have one of them. How many games can we afford to lose because of coaching? I am sure these are only a few examples outside Hackett's horrendous play calling. Just incredibly naive moves. Marrone looks clueless on the sideline. Put in Schwartz.

 

1. Not playing Urbik weeks ago.

2. Never playing Mike Williams.

3. Playing Freddie and Watkins when they were not healthy enough vs KC.

4. Believing that Goodwin is a pro WR.

5. Playing EJ in the first game last year.

6. Nothing behind EJ once they let TJax go back to Seattle.

7. Abandoning the run game and thinking that you have a passing game when you don't have a legit TE.

Do you not know how many games Schwartz loss in Detroit in similar fashion to what happened yesterday? Unfortunately; Schwartz is an horrible in game manager too.

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There are only a few coaching staffs that would have lost to KC with the effort put forth by this team last week and unfortunately we have one of them. How many games can we afford to lose because of coaching? I am sure these are only a few examples outside Hackett's horrendous play calling. Just incredibly naive moves. Marrone looks clueless on the sideline. Put in Schwartz. Marrones win percentage .440 overall and .556 this year. Schwartz's win percentage overall .363, year by year .125, .375, .625, .250, .438 and he actually had a QB and the best WR in the NFL. News flash the Lions are 7-2 the following year Jim left, even with Calvin missing 3+ games.Why would you want to go backwards.

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1. Not playing Urbik weeks ago. I'm with ya on this one.

2. Never playing Mike Williams. You or I have no idea on what happened with Mike, but if I'm going to side with one or the other it's going to be with Marrone. If you told people Mike would be benched during the year, not too many would be surprised.

3. Playing Freddie and Watkins when they were not healthy enough vs KC. Without them what do you really have left on offense?

4. Believing that Goodwin is a pro WR. Has been hurt a lot for sure, but when he's been in what has he done to hurt the team?

5. Playing EJ in the first game last year. Who else was going to start? Kolb was hurt, Tuel stinks, or would you have gone with Thad?

6. Nothing behind EJ once they let TJax go back to Seattle. More the GM than HC fault, no? Once Kolb was hurt who were they going to get?

7. Abandoning the run game and thinking that you have a passing game when you don't have a legit TE. Kyle numbers this year 124 of 189 65.6 comp.% 1387yds 277.4 yds/gm 7.3 yds/att 10 tds 3 ints rating 98.4. While he was off on some passes on Sunday overall he has done quite well for a team with no offensive line and no running attack.

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There are only a few coaching staffs that would have lost to KC with the effort put forth by this team last week and unfortunately we have one of them. How many games can we afford to lose because of coaching? I am sure these are only a few examples outside Hackett's horrendous play calling. Just incredibly naive moves. Marrone looks clueless on the sideline. Put in Schwartz.

 

1. Not playing Urbik weeks ago.

2. Never playing Mike Williams.

3. Playing Freddie and Watkins when they were not healthy enough vs KC.

4. Believing that Goodwin is a pro WR.

5. Playing EJ in the first game last year.

6. Nothing behind EJ once they let TJax go back to Seattle.

7. Abandoning the run game and thinking that you have a passing game when you don't have a legit TE.

That list could go on, and on with mistake after mistake the last two years. Starting with Colin Brown in replacing Levitre, and how he lasted 6 full games before being replaced I'll never know.

 

The HC doesn't hire the GM. I know thats central theme to most of your opinions as you are wont to blame Marrone for personnel decisions, but the HC does not hire the GM.

 

Pettine courted Cleveland as much as they pursued him. I don't recall any other teams calling about Pettine. He is a head coach because no one else would take the Cleveland job.

I'm going to blame the HC for every bad player that takes the field under that HC. Just like the GM also needs to take the blame. Does the GM force a HC to start a player?

 

Marrone stating he starts his best players, and yet he doesn't because he doesn't seem to know the difference. Urbik benched for Richardson while Pears plays RG. Yea, that makes perfect sense.

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That list could go on, and on with mistake after mistake the last two years. Starting with Colin Brown in replacing Levitre, and how he lasted 6 full games before being replaced I'll never know.

 

I'm going to blame the HC for every bad player that takes the field under that HC. Just like the GM also needs to take the blame. Does the GM force a HC to start a player?

 

Marrone stating he starts his best players, and yet he doesn't because he doesn't seem to know the difference. Urbik benched for Richardson while Pears plays RG. Yea, that makes perfect sense.

What does PFF have to say about organizational structure?

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That list could go on, and on with mistake after mistake the last two years. Starting with Colin Brown in replacing Levitre, and how he lasted 6 full games before being replaced I'll never know.

 

I'm going to blame the HC for every bad player that takes the field under that HC. Just like the GM also needs to take the blame. Does the GM force a HC to start a player?

 

Marrone stating he starts his best players, and yet he doesn't because he doesn't seem to know the difference. Urbik benched for Richardson while Pears plays RG. Yea, that makes perfect sense.

In this case Marrone believes bigger is better so, Pears is better with that line of thinking.

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To all you Schwartz haters do you think any team out there would be beating down Marrones door for a head coaching job if we fire him? Not a single one.

 

To be fair, and I am the Chairman of the Jim Schwartz fan club, I am not sure I'd want him to be the next Head Coach. Don't get me wrong, we could definitely do worse... and arguably are doing at the moment... but we could do better too. At this precise moment my priority is keeping Schwartz as DC (I believe he is a top 5 in the league DC) therefore my preference is to give Marrone another year regardless of what happens from here on in but ONLY on the basis that Hackett is gone and replaced by a proper OC.

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In this game:

- Penalties were down

- Team was not distracted by events of past week

- Has less practice time

- Came out and whipped the rear of a division foe

 

Can the pitchforks be kept away for a bit ?

All of this was, of course, in spite of Marrone who conspired with Mother Nature to ensure Buffalo received a natural disaster so he would have an excuse.
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