GG Posted September 30, 2014 Share Posted September 30, 2014 My god man. He's terrible right now and hurting the team. I honestly think he has the yips. Again: http://espn.go.com/nfl/qbr . Yips? No wonder he's played horribly. Didn't know they opened up a chain in Buffalo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob's House Posted September 30, 2014 Share Posted September 30, 2014 That means that you're prejudging (i.e., prejudiced, literally). Some coaches' sons are fine. Belichik is the son of a coach. So are the Harbaughs. Every individual is different. Let's see how the offense does now with a professional-level (albeit still-just-average) QB. You gotta admit, it is kind of crazy to think guys that grow up around football and mentored from childhood by professional NFL football coaches would grow up knowing how to be football coaches. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted September 30, 2014 Share Posted September 30, 2014 Is anyone else old enough to remember when Tom Landry used to alternate between Craig Morton and Roger Staubach? Landry went to the Super Bowl with both those QBs. There's no coaching rule that says you have to stay with the same QB forever. Yep, fans and players both like continuity under center. But it's not the right answer for every circumstance. I won't say Marrone is a great coach - that remains to be seen. But this is the right move at the right time. EJ seems to be regressing while Orton has been progressing with his understanding of the offense. Interesting point. I've been trying to remember QBs who were benched and then later got their act together for that same team and became stars.... Going back to stauback is a little farther than my general football memory goes. Was Warner benched in AZ before the Super Bowl run? I consider Brees, Farve and Steve young, more a case of rejuvenation in a new setting.... McNabb? I can't really find much... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobobonators Posted September 30, 2014 Share Posted September 30, 2014 I want him fired for bailing on the guy he selected after less than 16 starts. Why should we ever trust him to draft and develop a qb again? How do you know EJ was the guy Marrone wanted? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted September 30, 2014 Author Share Posted September 30, 2014 That means that you're prejudging (i.e., prejudiced, literally). Some coaches' sons are fine. Belichik is the son of a coach. So are the Harbaughs. Every individual is different. Let's see how the offense does now with a professional-level (albeit still-just-average) QB. NFL coaches. Hackett didn't have to work his way up like a lot coaches because of his dad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted September 30, 2014 Share Posted September 30, 2014 How do you know EJ was the guy Marrone wanted? It was widely reported he was a part of the selection committee at the time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted September 30, 2014 Author Share Posted September 30, 2014 How do you know EJ was the guy Marrone wanted? Yeah, a head coach with an offensive background didn't have a major say in the drafting of a QB i nthe 1st round. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nonprophet Posted September 30, 2014 Share Posted September 30, 2014 I just see this as Kelly Holcomb all over again. And I think EJ has more potential than JP. Mularkey got fired and then the Bills actually got a decent season out of JP. Mularkey wasn't fired, he quit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted September 30, 2014 Share Posted September 30, 2014 Mularkey wasn't fired, he quit. Like a boss. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobobonators Posted September 30, 2014 Share Posted September 30, 2014 It was widely reported he was a part of the selection committee at the time. I remember reading about Marrone liking EJ prior to the draft. I just feel like it's almost impossible to get a straight answer with draft picks and how HC's feel about them. The GM makes the picks and obviously takes coaches desires into consideration but how often are GM's and HC on the exact same page on draft day. Not saying that EJ wasn't Marrone's #1 choice - he may very well could have been. I just don't know that for sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChan Posted September 30, 2014 Share Posted September 30, 2014 Why wouldn't Marrone like EJ? He got a kid who said all the right things, looked the part, worked hard and recieved the blessing from the scouting department that this kid could develop into a good QB. The only problem is, now Marrone knows they were wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrooklynBills Posted September 30, 2014 Share Posted September 30, 2014 Greg Roman had 1 year experience when they went to Colin Kap as the QB. You should probably take him off the list. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobobonators Posted September 30, 2014 Share Posted September 30, 2014 Yeah, a head coach with an offensive background didn't have a major say in the drafting of a QB i nthe 1st round. It wouldn't be the first time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted September 30, 2014 Share Posted September 30, 2014 (edited) Why wouldn't Marrone like EJ? He got a kid who said all the right things, looked the part, worked hard and recieved the blessing from the scouting department that this kid could develop into a good QB. The only problem is, now Marrone knows they were wrong. How about, he just knows a young raw QB is just not ready, and most of the rest of the team is. They do not make this move at this time last year at all, with the team is not ready, with the division less strong, and with Thad and Tuel as the backups. They do it now because it makes sense. Things are rarely if ever black and white. There were ten reasons this move was made at this time, not one: That EJ stinks. Edited September 30, 2014 by Kelly the Dog Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrooklynBills Posted September 30, 2014 Share Posted September 30, 2014 NFL coaches. Hackett didn't have to work his way up like a lot coaches because of his dad. This is simply not true, but whatever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChan Posted September 30, 2014 Share Posted September 30, 2014 How about, he just knows a young raw QB is just not ready, and most of the rest of the team is. They do not make this move at this time last year at all, with the team is not ready, with the division less strong, and with Thad and Tuel as the backups. They do it now because it makes sense. Things are rarely if ever black and white. There were ten reasons this move was made at this time, not one: That EJ stinks. I meant, develop fast enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave mcbride Posted September 30, 2014 Share Posted September 30, 2014 NFL coaches. Hackett didn't have to work his way up like a lot coaches because of his dad. Evidence for how that makes him a bad coordinator? Does this mean that Rex Ryan is a really bad coach too? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChan Posted September 30, 2014 Share Posted September 30, 2014 NFL coaches. Hackett didn't have to work his way up like a lot coaches because of his dad. Unlike Kyle and Mike Shanahan, you know, the guys whose praises you were singing in the OP? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jauronimo Posted September 30, 2014 Share Posted September 30, 2014 Interesting point. I've been trying to remember QBs who were benched and then later got their act together for that same team and became stars.... Going back to stauback is a little farther than my general football memory goes. Was Warner benched in AZ before the Super Bowl run? I consider Brees, Farve and Steve young, more a case of rejuvenation in a new setting.... McNabb? I can't really find much... Warner was supposed to backup Leinart until Leinart went down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mango Posted September 30, 2014 Share Posted September 30, 2014 Watch this Biscuit. Why I think Marrone should be fired Barring the playoffs of course. This is a desperate move that is not in the best interests of the franchise. First, a quick list of some new system OC's QB's Geno smith - Marty Morteweig (former head coach, multiple NFL OC) Andrew Luck - bruce Arians (Multiple NFL OC) Russell Wilson - Darrell Bevel (multiple NFL OC) Colin Kapernick - Roman (multiple NFL OC) Teddy Bridgewater - Norv Turner (one of the best offensive coaches in the NFL) RG3 - Shanahan family (great offensive mind) EJ - Hackett So right from the start, Hackett was at a seriously disadvantage. Watching how some players regressed (Stevie & all of our WR's), are we sure EJ is good? So there is the lack of a solid QB which would benefit a young OC tremendously. But I think Marrone should go because he is bailing on the OC he hand picked with less than 16 games with his starter. He needs to be held accountable for that. I'd have a lot more respect for him if he went down with the Hackett ship. But instead, he is taking the "safe" route with a known mediocre at best OC. I'm a Bills fan first and foremost. I'm probably too optimist about this team. It means a lot to me and I let it clog my judgement at times. But I hate this move. Anything less than the playoffs, the Bills should bail on Marrone like he bailed on Hackett. Not sure I totally get what you're saying. I wish Marrone would bail on Hackett. Not sure I see how you get to that point. My line for Pegula himself actually wanting to fire Marrone is 9 wins. 8 gets muddy. I would be willing to bet Pegula keeps Marone if we are 9-7. Not saying I agree with that, but I think that's most likely. If he gets 9 games he will be on the chopping block the next year and on a short leash. Any and all regression from that point would be held against him, and rightfully so. I think Hackett is dunzo this season regardless. To retain Hackett we probably need 10 wins, a playoff appearance and/or playoff win. He will be rightfully scapegoated this year to give Marrone one more shot. That is if Marrone puts employment over loyalty. If he doesn't, they both get the boot. I don't totally agree with all of this, but just what I think will be the most likely scenario. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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