26TrapDraw Posted August 26, 2014 Share Posted August 26, 2014 IN Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted August 26, 2014 Share Posted August 26, 2014 (edited) Â Â Yep, he is. But they handed him 3.1M guaranteed in December and signed him for 4 years total. Not a big contract, but for them to sign a guy to decent money and then said player is cut after such a poor off-season. You would expect better from a NFL pro personnel department. Â and yet it happens. to all kinds of teams. especially with a coaching change. you just dont pay attention to the rotational guys signed/cut around the league like you do ours. if we start doing it frequently and missing on a lot of guys, its an issue but in a vacuum its not a big deal. Edited August 26, 2014 by NoSaint Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heitz Posted August 26, 2014 Share Posted August 26, 2014 Well this is turning out to be one cluster !@#$ of a year and it hasn't started yet. Â Is it though? Is it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tyrod's Tailor Posted August 26, 2014 Share Posted August 26, 2014 Yep, throwing another 1st round QB into the fire always works!  Anyone notice that many of the teams who drafted QB's are reverting to their veteran qbs rather than throwing their guy into the fire?  Cassel Henne Hoyer  Granted, the rookie may end up taking over at some point throughout the season. If Bridgewater was in Buffalo, and they said "We are starting Cassel over him", there would be riots.  Notice how these 3 teams all have veteran options? How its not just a guy with ten starts backed up by non-NFL players? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted August 26, 2014 Share Posted August 26, 2014 Well this is turning out to be one cluster !@#$ of a year and it hasn't started yet. Top LB and maybe top talent on Defense goes down with an ACL, we trade next years first for a WR when we don't have a QB to get him the ball, All the off the field issues with players, the sell of the team, etc. Â You got Marone in my opinion losing the locker room, now he is going at it with upper management and to top it off.... we dont have a starting QB worth a **** and the backups are crap. Â Can we trade Watkins to Cleveland for our first rounder back, because we might be picking first next year and can use a QB that the new GM, HC and owner will be choosing. Â hey....you talked about something else other then QB....well kinda Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Wiz Posted August 26, 2014 Share Posted August 26, 2014 Or maybe Whaley wanted a bigger threat at OC than Hackett? This makes me wonder. Does Whaley have the power to get rid of Hackett and tell Marrone to find a new OC ? Â I'm sure he does but would a GM really disband a coaching staff over the HC's head. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Superb Owl Posted August 26, 2014 Share Posted August 26, 2014 If Whaley didn't agree with the pick or at least have confidence EJ was the guy he would have done something about it this off season. Like draft one, sign one. Â Not buying it was Nix's pick alone. No way. Whaley had to agree. Â And Marrone agreed too. There is a John Murphy show interview where he talks about going to Tallahassee and knowing Manuel had "It" (his words) the first time he saw him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted August 26, 2014 Share Posted August 26, 2014 (edited) hey....you talked about something else other then QB....well kinda  But does he ever offer any compelling evidence to support his angry declarative rants about EJ being so terrible? If so, it has escaped me. Edited August 26, 2014 by 26CornerBlitz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Superb Owl Posted August 26, 2014 Share Posted August 26, 2014 Sounds believable. If you're gonna get rid of the only QB behind Manuel who's won an NFL game, you better get me a true #2 instead of Palmer, who's a #3 at best. Â Massacre was the guy who tweeted a week ago that the bills loved Lewis' practice and was ahead in the backup competition Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kickedface Posted August 26, 2014 Share Posted August 26, 2014 i think the music was too loud so they had to shout to hear each other until they realized they could just text each other. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Wiz Posted August 26, 2014 Share Posted August 26, 2014 But does he ever offer any compelling evidence to support his angry declarative rants about EJ being so terrible? If so, it has escaped me. You must have missed were he said EJ sucks. That's evidence enough, obviously. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted August 26, 2014 Share Posted August 26, 2014 You must have missed were he said EJ sucks. That's evidence enough, obviously. Â Well on me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PastaJoe Posted August 26, 2014 Share Posted August 26, 2014 So how long before the heir apparent, Schwartz, takes over. Mid season or next season? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike in Horseheads Posted August 26, 2014 Share Posted August 26, 2014 The big fight was about bringing in Jordan Gay as punter. They weren't sure how the locker room would handle the Gay guy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LB3 Posted August 26, 2014 Share Posted August 26, 2014 If the tweet from Rodak on Saturday about Whaley calling Hackett from the tunnel is true, I could see it being about that. I could see Whaley and Brandon wanting to explore other options sooner rather than later and Marrone believing he has the right guy and truly believing that the problem is all execution. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Estelle Getty Posted August 26, 2014 Share Posted August 26, 2014 The coaches and front office sure do have a way with timing. Always good to implode less than two weeks before regular season. Who woulda guessed that EJ was gonna be a ? At QB. That Tuel wasn't an adequate backup. That Hackett's play calling abilities weren't up to snuff. I would say anyone who watched more than 1 game last year. Â Also it is a little scary that our GM makes it seems like every sentence he puts together is a struggle. For what it is worth Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted August 26, 2014 Share Posted August 26, 2014 If the tweet from Rodak on Saturday about Whaley calling Hackett from the tunnel is true, I could see it being about that. I could see Whaley and Brandon wanting to explore other options sooner rather than later and Marrone believing he has the right guy and truly believing that the problem is all execution. Â You might be onto something there...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. T Posted August 26, 2014 Share Posted August 26, 2014 (edited) Winner Winner Chicken Dinner!! Â I think you may have nailed it. Of course everything is speculation but this scenario makes a lot of sense. Â Hope this doesn't end the same for Marone as it did for Wade when he was given an ultimatum. Edited August 27, 2014 by Mr. T Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike in Horseheads Posted August 26, 2014 Share Posted August 26, 2014 You might be onto something there...... Well its going to be hard to throw out the 4 play playbook at this point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Big Cat Posted August 26, 2014 Share Posted August 26, 2014 You might be onto something there...... Â I just can't imagine a universe where that conversation is taking place...on the practice field...in front of the players...in front of the press. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LB3 Posted August 26, 2014 Share Posted August 26, 2014 (edited) Â Â I just can't imagine a universe where that conversation is taking place...on the practice field...in front of the players...in front of the press. Â That's a good point and you're probably right. I could see it happening like this though: it starts out harmlessly but then comments with some subtext were sprinkled in and it got a little out of control. Â I just want the season to start already. I don't know how the team will do because they haven't showed much offensively which is troubling but it is only preseason so I'll wait on hitting the panic button. I tend to live on the optimistic side. I'm one of the few that thinks Hackett has promise as an OC. If we start out well, all these problems go away. Let's hope that that is how it goes. Edited August 26, 2014 by KikoSeeBallKikoGetBall Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmur66 Posted August 26, 2014 Share Posted August 26, 2014 At this point Marrone isn't a yes man. He is going to say what he has to say and do what he has to do to turn this around. Or get fired trying. I don't really think he cares who it pisses off. JMO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted August 26, 2014 Share Posted August 26, 2014 I just can't imagine a universe where that conversation is taking place...on the practice field...in front of the players...in front of the press. Â They were covering their mouths like on Goodfellas Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seasons1992 Posted August 26, 2014 Share Posted August 26, 2014 Good lord you people are irritating, with all of the speculation and guessing games. Â Clearly, Marrone is complaining that Whaley took them to Chef's for dinner on Monday night while he wanted to eat at Tempo. Â IN!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted August 26, 2014 Share Posted August 26, 2014 Because competitive guys like NFL head coaches who used to be scrappy NFL players, and GMs, who in numerous interviews says, "I'm a competitive guy" never get in arguments. Â Another little known fact is, in his whole career, Randy Moss never once said he was open in the huddle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kellyto83TD Posted August 26, 2014 Share Posted August 26, 2014 Hackett is held back by **** at QB. So lets fire him, then make MARONE do the play calling. I mean isn't marone some guru that helped Drew Brees for awhile blah blah blah? Make his ass call the plays and lets see how that goes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted August 26, 2014 Share Posted August 26, 2014 Hackett is held back by **** at QB. So lets fire him, then make MARONE do the play calling. I mean isn't marone some guru that helped Drew Brees for awhile blah blah blah? Make his ass call the plays and lets see how that goes  ....... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted August 26, 2014 Share Posted August 26, 2014 (edited) Because competitive guys like NFL head coaches who used to be scrappy NFL players, and GMs, who in numerous interviews says, "I'm a competitive guy" never get in arguments. Â Another little known fact is, in his whole career, Randy Moss never once said he was open in the huddle. Â There is something to be learned about our TSW posters in this thread though. Talk about the ultimate Rorschach test here. Edited August 26, 2014 by NoSaint Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted August 26, 2014 Share Posted August 26, 2014 Hackett is held back by **** at QB. So lets fire him, then make MARONE do the play calling. I mean isn't marone some guru that helped Drew Brees for awhile blah blah blah? Make his ass call the plays and lets see how that goes Hackett is the biggest problem on the offense. And there's nothing to suggest he's gotten any better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted August 26, 2014 Share Posted August 26, 2014 (edited) Hackett is the biggest problem on the offense. And there's nothing to suggest he's gotten any better. You mean except for not using his scheme, his offense, his hurry up, his game planning and calling plays using his playbook in real games? Â I'm not sure about him either, and he needs to prove he is up to the task, but we havent seen anything from him yet this year that he is really going to do. Edited August 26, 2014 by Kelly the Dog Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted August 26, 2014 Share Posted August 26, 2014 Hackett is the biggest problem on the offense. And there's nothing to suggest he's gotten any better. To be revisited post game 9/7/14. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CardinalScotts Posted August 26, 2014 Share Posted August 26, 2014 Guys they don't game plan in the preseason to talk about the Cordinator is kind of stupid, there is no coordinating Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lurker Posted August 26, 2014 Share Posted August 26, 2014 There is something to be learned about our TSW posters in this thread though. Talk about the ultimate Rorschach test here. Yes, most threads are quite helpful this way. Â Unfortunately, SDS has limited the amount of sanity that can be brought to the board to just 16 pages... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PolishDave Posted August 26, 2014 Share Posted August 26, 2014 It seems to me that Morrone is realizing his team is not ready for the regular season to begin. That has to be especially frustrating considering they had that extra HOF game.  And Whaley has repeatedly said that failure is unacceptable. So I think Marrone is getting squeezed a little tighter each day. It is possible he feels like he is starting to spiral into a really bad rut like a guy where everything is starting to go wrong at once.  I don’t envy his position. Being a head coach in his situation probably sucks pretty friggin bad at the moment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerball Posted August 26, 2014 Share Posted August 26, 2014 If Whaley didn't agree with the pick or at least have confidence EJ was the guy he would have done something about it this off season. Like draft one, sign one.  Not buying it was Nix's pick alone. No way. Whaley had to agree. Late to this party. Not singling you out in any way...but, I hope that this thread isn't double digit pages about whether Whaley or Nix or Whaley & Nix decided that EJ was the guy. It has nothing to do with the topic...why is Marrone upset with the higher ups? It isn't Manuel, it's much too late for Marrone to be upset with last year's #1 pick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PlayoffsPlease Posted August 26, 2014 Share Posted August 26, 2014 This is all part of Bills smoke screen play possum strategy to lull the bears into a false sense of security. Obviously. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerball Posted August 26, 2014 Share Posted August 26, 2014 This has been debated add nausea since last year, and the conclusion was fairly conclusive that while Nix made the nominal pick, Whaley was the ultimate decider. It has? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted August 26, 2014 Share Posted August 26, 2014 (edited) Late to this party.  Not singling you out in any way...but, I hope that this thread isn't double digit pages about whether Whaley or Nix or Whaley & Nix decided that EJ was the guy. It has nothing to do with the topic...why is Marrone upset with the higher ups? It isn't Manuel, it's much too late for Marrone to be upset with last year's #1 pick.  That was mostly pages 4-7, we also have a fight over whether you should fire hackett midseason, some talk of new owners firing everybody, that Palmer isn't a premier FA qb like desired, whether or not its "just preseason" and that marrone might be stealing lunches  Kirby should be here soon to offer up that it's hogans fault. Where y'at, kirb? Edited August 26, 2014 by NoSaint Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted August 26, 2014 Share Posted August 26, 2014 This is all part of Bills smoke screen play possum strategy to lull the bears into a false sense of security. Obviously. Yep, I heard Buddy Nix called up Whaley and reminded him how when everyone everywhere thought Cordy Glenn was a LT, Buddy the Guard Whisperer told a few people he was actually an OG, and suddenly no one thought he was a LT anymore. He pulled the ol' switcheroo and we stole Cordy. Same way we're gonna steal the game from the Bears. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
7boogiewoogie Posted August 26, 2014 Share Posted August 26, 2014 It's been reported EJ was Buddy's pick, his sort of swan song in that he wanted to get the BILLS a QB before he stepped down...I'm wondering now if Whaley truly feels saddled with this guy and essentially went all in on EJ hoping to manufacture confidence in the kid so he would perform better and now, feeling like the house of cards is falling down, he's panicking a bit and knows that EJ will make or break this season for the entire team...just a thought  WOW, very nice possible insight... very intuitive.... I asked the same question yesterday... Things that make you go hmmm.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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