BRAWNDO Posted January 13, 2014 Share Posted January 13, 2014 Chris Brown @ChrisBrownBills1m #Bills relieve ILBs coach Chuck Dreisbach of his duties. 2nd coach moved off Marrone's staff since season's end. And yet Crossman is retained Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Vader Posted January 13, 2014 Share Posted January 13, 2014 Ok.....so what's next? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bbb Posted January 13, 2014 Share Posted January 13, 2014 Chris Brown @ChrisBrownBills1m #Bills relieve ILBs coach Chuck Dreisbach of his duties. 2nd coach moved off Marrone's staff since season's end. It turned out this was Chuck Lester in disguise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stuckinny Posted January 13, 2014 Share Posted January 13, 2014 Good, he ruined KIKO's development..errrrr wait???? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeF Posted January 13, 2014 Share Posted January 13, 2014 Bring in someone who understands how to coach gap control.....also need a stout and disciplined run defender to pair with Kiko on first and second downs to allow Kiko to create even more plays. Someone has to stay home and fill holes while Kiko runs around like his hair is on fire... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DefenseWinzChampionshipz Posted January 13, 2014 Share Posted January 13, 2014 Honestly, with all the new faces on the Bills (players and coaches), I didn't even know the name of our linebackers coach. All I can do is hope that it becomes a good move on Marrone's part by letting him go. I do agree with JoeF. We need the linebackers to control the gap better. Chris Brown @ChrisBrownBills1m #Bills relieve ILBs coach Chuck Dreisbach of his duties. 2nd coach moved off Marrone's staff since season's end. And yet Crossman is retained Don't lose sleep over it. It's like a man on death row. He can't act shocked if his day of execution comes. We knew Crossman and Hackett were very close friends of Marrone going into the season. Crossman and Hackett are here to stay my friend. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JÂy RÛßeÒ Posted January 13, 2014 Share Posted January 13, 2014 Belinda Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HurlyBurly51 Posted January 13, 2014 Share Posted January 13, 2014 Not a Marrone guy? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted January 13, 2014 Share Posted January 13, 2014 Guess he is the fall guy for the run defense and the bad fills we saw quite a few times Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TakeYouToTasker Posted January 13, 2014 Share Posted January 13, 2014 My guess would be "philosophical differences". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeF Posted January 13, 2014 Share Posted January 13, 2014 My guess would be "philosophical differences". My guess it would be that and allowing 20 yard runs in quantities that would embarrass a high school team.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Big Cat Posted January 13, 2014 Share Posted January 13, 2014 Guess he is the fall guy for the run defense and the bad fills we saw quite a few times My guess would be "philosophical differences". Do you want accountability, or don't you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SWATeam Posted January 13, 2014 Share Posted January 13, 2014 I think we need someone that knows more about "fits" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
runner Posted January 13, 2014 Share Posted January 13, 2014 Maybe he is being asked to be on the staff of one of the new hires and asked to be released so he can pursue that.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted January 13, 2014 Share Posted January 13, 2014 Do you want accountability, or don't you? Yes, but we are getting "selective" accountability...our special teams coach is still employed due to cronyism Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Big Cat Posted January 13, 2014 Share Posted January 13, 2014 Maybe he is being asked to be on the staff of one of the new hires and asked to be released so he can pursue that.... I also considered that. We'll see if he gets snatched up elsewhere. I think it's unlikely, though. Yes, but we are getting "selective" accountability...our special teams coach is still employed due to cronyism I see. So until Crossman's fired, nothing else matters. I wouldn't hold your breath. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coach Tuesday Posted January 13, 2014 Share Posted January 13, 2014 He came over from Syracuse with Marrone. Pettine also brough at LB coach with him from the Jets. I'm guessing Pettine's guy is getting the better title. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boyst Posted January 13, 2014 Share Posted January 13, 2014 Only one Legend of Kiko type joke? Sorely disappointed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColdBlueNorth Posted January 13, 2014 Share Posted January 13, 2014 Not a Marrone guy? My guess is that he was not a "Pettine guy". This is normal IMO for a first year coaching staff - you bring a bunch of alpha male coaches together for the first time some of them get along and others not so much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted January 13, 2014 Share Posted January 13, 2014 Kiko will be a player/ coach next year. See ball, get ball. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Delete This Account Posted January 13, 2014 Share Posted January 13, 2014 He came over from Syracuse with Marrone. Pettine also brough at LB coach with him from the Jets. I'm guessing Pettine's guy is getting the better title. Driesbach, to my knowledge, never worked for Marrone. in fact, Driesbach had previous ties to Pettine. the two worked together at Pitt in the mid-1990s, and, if i'm not mistaken, were also had ties back in Philly. jw Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yungmack Posted January 13, 2014 Share Posted January 13, 2014 Kiko will be a player/ coach next year. See ball, get ball. Reminds me of Big Daddy Lipscomb's deathless treatise on defense: "You keep picking up guys and throwing them away until you find the guy with the ball. Him you keep." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coach Tuesday Posted January 13, 2014 Share Posted January 13, 2014 Driesbach, to my knowledge, never worked for Marrone. in fact, Driesbach had previous ties to Pettine. the two worked together at Pitt in the mid-1990s, and, if i'm not mistaken, were also had ties back in Philly. jw Ah you may be right - he was pulled from the college ranks, I thought Syracuse but may have been mistaken. Thanks for the clarification. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Delete This Account Posted January 13, 2014 Share Posted January 13, 2014 Ah you may be right - he was pulled from the college ranks, I thought Syracuse but may have been mistaken. Thanks for the clarification. Driesbach was out of football last season after five seasons at Rice. and i do know Driesbach (defensive coordinator), Pettine (graduate assistant) and Doug Whaley (player) were all together at the same time at Pitt from 1993-94. Pettine, in fact, has spoken highly of Driesbach. so, this move comes as a bit of a surprise. jw Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted January 13, 2014 Share Posted January 13, 2014 (edited) Crossman must feel like the last teen at Camp Crystal Lake.... Edited January 13, 2014 by Mr. WEO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
White Linen Posted January 13, 2014 Share Posted January 13, 2014 Early in the year I thought he'd be a replacement option for Pettine if he got a head coaching opportunity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DanInUticaTampa Posted January 13, 2014 Share Posted January 13, 2014 Crossman must feel like the last teen at Camp Crystal Lake.... Haha Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigBuff423 Posted January 13, 2014 Share Posted January 13, 2014 Driesbach was out of football last season after five seasons at Rice. and i do know Driesbach (defensive coordinator), Pettine (graduate assistant) and Doug Whaley (player) were all together at the same time at Pitt from 1993-94. Pettine, in fact, has spoken highly of Driesbach. so, this move comes as a bit of a surprise. jw I get what you're driving at regarding the positive relationship they all had...but that said, I'm assuming Marrone and Pettine have been watching film from the BILLS' season and they decided that one significant factor in their porous Run D was the issues with LBs being out of position, either not knowing or being disciplined enough to get into their assigned lanes, and overall lack of productivity in stopping the Run. Pass Defense improved a great deal and that's fantastic, another good step in the right direction. I'm sure the LBs did have something to do with that too, but just in the Tampa Bay game alone, especially on that first run, it doesn't take an expert to see where the LBs were missing their assignments. I know it may seem like a small adjustment, but to me this at least helps Marrone's pontificating about accountability...now, if only he could let Crossman see the door, I would be back on the "All In" Train with Marrone...please see previous posts before we discuss how I do or don't like Marrone as a coach. But that said, Marrone painted himself into a corner by continuously banging the accountability drum, so it's time to act on it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Delete This Account Posted January 13, 2014 Share Posted January 13, 2014 ... Marrone painted himself into a corner by continuously banging the accountability drum, so it's time to act on it really, that's what you're hanging your hat on, "accountability." is there a coach out there that doesn't bang the "accountablity" drum? this is not a new concept. jw Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OCinBuffalo Posted January 13, 2014 Share Posted January 13, 2014 I get what you're driving at regarding the positive relationship they all had...but that said, I'm assuming Marrone and Pettine have been watching film from the BILLS' season and they decided that one significant factor in their porous Run D was the issues with LBs being out of position, either not knowing or being disciplined enough to get into their assigned lanes, and overall lack of productivity in stopping the Run. Pass Defense improved a great deal and that's fantastic, another good step in the right direction. I'm sure the LBs did have something to do with that too, but just in the Tampa Bay game alone, especially on that first run, it doesn't take an expert to see where the LBs were missing their assignments. I know it may seem like a small adjustment, but to me this at least helps Marrone's pontificating about accountability...now, if only he could let Crossman see the door, I would be back on the "All In" Train with Marrone...please see previous posts before we discuss how I do or don't like Marrone as a coach. But that said, Marrone painted himself into a corner by continuously banging the accountability drum, so it's time to act on it What if Marrone does his review on Crossman, no different than he reviews any other coach, and comes to the honest conclusion that Crossman deserves another year? What if he realizes full well that Crossman screwed up, but, that he deserves a second chance? That's accountability. Marrone himself is being accountable. Trust me...accountability is not just firing people when everybody knows they screwed up. That's easy, and anyone can do that. It's also: keeping the people you know are quality, when everybody else wants them fired. That's called: holding yourself accountable, as the boss. That's not easy, and that's why not so many can be the boss. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebandit27 Posted January 13, 2014 Share Posted January 13, 2014 Another thread where people choose not to separate "accountability" from "you only get one season". What if Marrone does his review on Crossman, no different than he reviews any other coach, and comes to the honest conclusion that Crossman deserves another year? What if he realizes full well that Crossman screwed up, but, that he deserves a second chance? That's accountability. Marrone himself is being accountable. Trust me...accountability is not just firing people when everybody knows they screwed up. That's easy, and anyone can do that. It's also: keeping the people you know are quality, when everybody else wants them fired. That's called: holding yourself accountable, as the boss. That's not easy, and that's why not so many can be the boss. I should've just waited for you to post this; it's a more thorough answer than I had the patience to write. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jumbalaya Posted January 13, 2014 Share Posted January 13, 2014 Dreisbach is probably being blamed for what's wrong with special teams. Obviously it couldn't be that Crossman sucks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OCinBuffalo Posted January 13, 2014 Share Posted January 13, 2014 Another thread where people choose not to separate "accountability" from "you only get one season". I should've just waited for you to post this; it's a more thorough answer than I had the patience to write. Well, since I am "the boss" this didn't require much effort. I just basically typed out what I know/do every day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted January 13, 2014 Share Posted January 13, 2014 (edited) What if Marrone does his review on Crossman, no different than he reviews any other coach, and comes to the honest conclusion that Crossman deserves another year? What if he realizes full well that Crossman screwed up, but, that he deserves a second chance? That's accountability. Marrone himself is being accountable. Trust me...accountability is not just firing people when everybody knows they screwed up. That's easy, and anyone can do that. It's also: keeping the people you know are quality, when everybody else wants them fired. That's called: holding yourself accountable, as the boss. That's not easy, and that's why not so many can be the boss. well, with a 10 year record in place its not like crossman has no significant track record to draw from. while often id agree with the sentiment -- sometimes its also called being stubborn, or blind to an issue. Edited January 13, 2014 by NoSaint Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigBuff423 Posted January 13, 2014 Share Posted January 13, 2014 really, that's what you're hanging your hat on, "accountability." is there a coach out there that doesn't bang the "accountablity" drum? this is not a new concept. jw Hey, I didn't come out to the podium game after game and then the Offseason and say it...Marrone did. And yes, if you call "hanging my hat" as holding someone to the integrity of their statements, you can call it that. Had Marrone said, "I believe our STs performed poorly but mostly due to new concepts with young players and that we will get better" which is what most of us assume he is actually thinking, then fine. I may not like keeping Crossman as I believe his poor coaching on STs cost Buffalo a game or two and more importantly does not demosntrate how this team demands improvement, but ok...I'll see Marrone's point and agree to disagree. But in the aspect of doing what you say you're going to do without further clarification, yeah, that's on his shoulders. He is after all the Head Coach. As for a HC that does not bang the accountability drum, I'm sure they do. And I don't watch many other HC's full pressers, so maybe they talk about it a lot...but what I DO KNOW is when you saunter out to the podium and keep saying the same thing, getting the same results when your words indicate you demand different, and then take no action in an area that SCREAMS for the very change you claim to require....you're going to be viewed as hypocritical. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OCinBuffalo Posted January 13, 2014 Share Posted January 13, 2014 well, with a 10 year record in place its not like crossman has no significant track record to draw from. while often id agree with the sentiment -- sometimes its also called being stubborn, or blind to an issue. Of course. But, you'll notice I specifically said: "...no different than he reviews any other coach, and comes to the honest conclusion..." Being "stubborn, or blind to an issue", for a manager...is another way of saying: lazy. Your job as a manager is to eternally be looking for ways to improve the process. If you are resisting change, and haven't done the work to prove why that resistance has merit? "Haven't done the work" is the operative phrase. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Utah John Posted January 13, 2014 Share Posted January 13, 2014 Driesbach is taking the fall for all the times Kiko guessed wrong on which gap to attack, leaving no one in the middle of the field to stop gash runs by the other team. The Bills have one good LB, Kiko, and one OK LB, Lawson. No other real talent. (Hughes is a pass rusher, not a LB.) I'm thinking the Bills take a LB in the 1st round and sign a FA LB. That plus two guards and they'll be in business. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigBuff423 Posted January 13, 2014 Share Posted January 13, 2014 (edited) What if Marrone does his review on Crossman, no different than he reviews any other coach, and comes to the honest conclusion that Crossman deserves another year? What if he realizes full well that Crossman screwed up, but, that he deserves a second chance? That's accountability. Marrone himself is being accountable. Trust me...accountability is not just firing people when everybody knows they screwed up. That's easy, and anyone can do that. It's also: keeping the people you know are quality, when everybody else wants them fired. That's called: holding yourself accountable, as the boss. That's not easy, and that's why not so many can be the boss. Then Marrone, in order to maintain public inegrity, would need to say something along those lines. It wouldn't have to be a public flogging of Crossman or excoriating his efforts to the media. It could simply be: "We've reviewed all of the film and spoken to our Coordinators and coaches and there are a few key areas that need to improve and I believe with this Off-Season we will. First, on STs we gave up too many return yards, missed too many blocks, didn't stay in our assigned lanes, and it cost us a few games and some key field position. But working with Danny, I know with another year and continued coaching this will turn around. We all know what's at stake." Boom...done....doesn't need to do more than recognize what every other fan in Buffalo sees: a statistically significant regression in the ST's performance and then indicate what will be done to remedy that fact. And in case you're about to argue that he doesn't "owe" us an explanation, again it was Marrone's words that said he knows how important the BILLS are to Western NY and its fans. If so...provide some idea as to how "accountability" is defined and how it relates directly to STs. Edited January 13, 2014 by BigBuff423 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted January 13, 2014 Share Posted January 13, 2014 Of course. But, you'll notice I specifically said: "...no different than he reviews any other coach, and comes to the honest conclusion..." Being "stubborn, or blind to an issue", for a manager...is another way of saying: lazy. Your job as a manager is to eternally be looking for ways to improve the process. If you are resisting change, and haven't done the work to prove why that resistance has merit? "Haven't done the work" is the operative phrase. i dont know if lazy is the word here. we all have blind spots in our judgement. its part of being human. in this case, he hired a best friend to work for him. theres a good chance that he is misjudging the situation simply by human nature to look favorably on those we like, not lack of effort. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rubes Posted January 13, 2014 Share Posted January 13, 2014 Driesbach is taking the fall for all the times Kiko guessed wrong on which gap to attack, leaving no one in the middle of the field to stop gash runs by the other team. The Bills have one good LB, Kiko, and one OK LB, Lawson. No other real talent. (Hughes is a pass rusher, not a LB.) I'm thinking the Bills take a LB in the 1st round and sign a FA LB. That plus two one guard and a big WR and they'll be in business. There you go. I'm with you now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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