Tiberius Posted July 8, 2017 Share Posted July 8, 2017 See that's the difference between you and me. I don't consider someone's politics before I determine whether or not I'm ok with them being lying sack of ****. So you don't look at the magnitude of the lie or lying? It's all the same? And you know some of the trashy members of this board will be real butt hurt that you are responding to me, lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Man Posted July 8, 2017 Share Posted July 8, 2017 (edited) Ari FleischerVerified account @AriFleischerFollow More The front page of today's London Daily Telegraph. Welcome to what single payer is really like. Edited July 8, 2017 by B-Man Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted July 8, 2017 Share Posted July 8, 2017 Oh boy, I bet he is against Trumpcare then, it simply kicks 22 million people off of insurance. He must hate that....ummm, probably not Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nanker Posted July 10, 2017 Share Posted July 10, 2017 7 million phantoms on Obamacare. They're all gonna die when it gets repealed. Wonder if they can get jobs in the cast of Return of the Living Dead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Man Posted July 10, 2017 Share Posted July 10, 2017 (edited) Obamacare’s Basket Of Insurance Mandates Should Be The First Thing To Go. Repeal of the mandates in this session, preferably in 2017, is a bottom line. If the mandates are not repealed, it would be a serious betrayal of voters, and grounds for mounting primary challenges to incumbents. DC politicians don’t seem to grasp that the mandates, as originally conceived, are fascistic. Justice John Roberts seemed to understand that in NFIB v. Sebelius when he wrote that the Commerce Clause doesn’t allow Congress to command Americans to buy things. But then he concluded that the command (i.e., mandate) was really an option, and that the penalty was really a tax, thus saving Obamacare (while creating a whole new chapter in American jurisprudential incoherence). If the mandates are repealed, many young folks will opt to go without health insurance. But that can be a rational decision. A young person wishing to amass funds to buy a house, or start a family or a business might decide that taking the risk of having no health insurance is worth it. Maybe youngsters would decide differently if health insurance weren’t so damned expensive. And maybe, just maybe, they should be allowed to make that decision for themselves without coercion. Edited July 10, 2017 by B-Man Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted July 10, 2017 Share Posted July 10, 2017 Obamacare’s Basket Of Insurance Mandates Should Be The First Thing To Go. And maybe, just maybe, they should be allowed to make that decision for themselves without coercion. Obama has made it a tax issue to enforce signing up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benjamin Franklin Posted July 11, 2017 Share Posted July 11, 2017 Looks like the current draft is dead. Let's hope the parties work together on a fix. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chef Jim Posted July 11, 2017 Share Posted July 11, 2017 Looks like the current draft is dead. Let's hope the parties work together on a fix. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALF Posted July 12, 2017 Share Posted July 12, 2017 6 promises Trump has made about health care No one will lose coverage. There will be insurance for everybody. Healthcare will be a “lot less expensive” for everyone — the government, consumers, providers. ‘INSURANCE FOR EVERYBODY’ ‘NO CUTS … TO MEDICAID’: ‘NO ONE WILL LOSE COVERAGE’ ‘NOBODY WILL BE WORSE OFF FINANCIALLY’ ‘GET RID OF ARTIFICIAL LINES’ ‘EVERYBODY’S GOING TO BE TAKEN CARE OF’ http://www.politico.com/story/2017/03/trump-obamacare-promises-236021 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GG Posted July 12, 2017 Share Posted July 12, 2017 6 promises Trump has made about health care No one will lose coverage. There will be insurance for everybody. Healthcare will be a “lot less expensive” for everyone — the government, consumers, providers. ‘INSURANCE FOR EVERYBODY’ ‘NO CUTS … TO MEDICAID’: ‘NO ONE WILL LOSE COVERAGE’ ‘NOBODY WILL BE WORSE OFF FINANCIALLY’ ‘GET RID OF ARTIFICIAL LINES’ ‘EVERYBODY’S GOING TO BE TAKEN CARE OF’ http://www.politico.com/story/2017/03/trump-obamacare-promises-236021 You can put that one in the broken promises thread. Of course anyone with a rudimentary understanding of math thought that those promises were anything but fantasy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALF Posted July 12, 2017 Share Posted July 12, 2017 (edited) You can put that one in the broken promises thread. Of course anyone with a rudimentary understanding of math thought that those promises were anything but fantasy. All those promises are sure to be brought up bigly in the 2018 and 2020 elections Edited July 12, 2017 by ALF Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GG Posted July 12, 2017 Share Posted July 12, 2017 All those promises are sure to be brought up bigly in the 2018 and 2020 elections His support base won't care because they'll be listening to President Pence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koko78 Posted July 12, 2017 Share Posted July 12, 2017 6 promises Trump has made about health care No one will lose coverage. There will be insurance for everybody. Healthcare will be a “lot less expensive” for everyone — the government, consumers, providers. ‘INSURANCE FOR EVERYBODY’ ‘NO CUTS … TO MEDICAID’: ‘NO ONE WILL LOSE COVERAGE’ ‘NOBODY WILL BE WORSE OFF FINANCIALLY’ ‘GET RID OF ARTIFICIAL LINES’ ‘EVERYBODY’S GOING TO BE TAKEN CARE OF’ http://www.politico.com/story/2017/03/trump-obamacare-promises-236021 Maybe he should just promise that everyone who likes their insurance and doctor can keep their insurance and doctor, and that there will be no taxes associated with it. That pack of lies worked out so well last time! Oh and that 30 million people who don't have coverage will have coverage they can't afford just to pay deductibles they can't afford before their insurance coverage becomes relevant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted July 12, 2017 Share Posted July 12, 2017 They only hold the GOP to promises, the Dems are "get out of jail free" 100% of the time on that one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALF Posted July 12, 2017 Share Posted July 12, 2017 (edited) Maybe he should just promise that everyone who likes their insurance and doctor can keep their insurance and doctor, and that there will be no taxes associated with it. That pack of lies worked out so well last time! Oh and that 30 million people who don't have coverage will have coverage they can't afford just to pay deductibles they can't afford before their insurance coverage becomes relevant. So do you think republicans will keep control of Congress in 2018 and 2020 if broken promises are normal ? How many desperate people voted for Trump because of his healthcare promises ? I have health insurance but I have empathy for the working poor who earn too much to qualify for medicaid but can't afford regular insurance. Edited July 12, 2017 by ALF Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted July 12, 2017 Share Posted July 12, 2017 I have health insurance but I have empathy for the working poor who earn too much to qualify for medicaid but can't afford regular insurance. Can thank Hussein for that one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALF Posted July 12, 2017 Share Posted July 12, 2017 Can thank Hussein for that one. So can Trump and a republican Congress fix health care ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted July 12, 2017 Share Posted July 12, 2017 So can Trump and a republican Congress fix health care ? God couldn't fix health care at this point. The ACA broke it irretrievably. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALF Posted July 12, 2017 Share Posted July 12, 2017 God couldn't fix health care at this point. The ACA broke it irretrievably. I agree Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magox Posted July 12, 2017 Share Posted July 12, 2017 Looks like the Cruz and Lee amendment will struggle to garner more votes. In a letter sent to Cruz and Lee today, Blue Cross Blue Shield Association CEO Scott Serota warns that the proposal is “unworkable as it would undermine pre-existing condition protections, increase premiums and destabilize the market.” America’s Health Insurance Plans additionally is circulating a memo that raises similar concerns about the individual insurance market. “Unfortunately, this proposal would fracture and segment insurance markets into separate risk pools and create an un-level playing field that would lead to widespread adverse selection and unstable health insurance markets,” reads the AHIP memo. I liked the idea but just as the insurers noted, it would most certainly contribute to even more adverse selection. You'd essentially have the most heavily subsidized and sickest populations left in the market place while many others would go to these other plans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koko78 Posted July 12, 2017 Share Posted July 12, 2017 So do you think republicans will keep control of Congress in 2018 and 2020 if broken promises are normal ? How many desperate people voted for Trump because of his healthcare promises ? I have health insurance but I have empathy for the working poor who earn too much to qualify for medicaid but can't afford regular insurance. With the stupidity the democrats are spouting on a daily basis turning off most of their base, it's possible (albeit unlikely) the Republicans will in 2018. I wonder who they will find to blame then. Could be fun! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALF Posted July 12, 2017 Share Posted July 12, 2017 With the stupidity the democrats are spouting on a daily basis turning off most of their base, it's possible (albeit unlikely) the Republicans will in 2018. I wonder who they will find to blame then. Could be fun! 2018 election will be very interesting to say the least. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted July 12, 2017 Share Posted July 12, 2017 So can Trump and a republican Congress fix health care ? Apparently not. But not exactly a surprise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted July 12, 2017 Share Posted July 12, 2017 With the stupidity the democrats are spouting on a daily basis turning off most of their base, it's possible (albeit unlikely) the Republicans will in 2018. I wonder who they will find to blame then. Could be fun! Not that Republicans aren't turning of their base as well. 2018 could have a turnout of <5% at this rate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IDBillzFan Posted July 13, 2017 Share Posted July 13, 2017 How many desperate people voted for Trump because of his healthcare promises ? About the same number of desperate people who voted for Hillary because she promised to provide free college to anyone earning less than $125K/year. Obamacare didn't get Trump elected. Congress, sure, but Trump? Pick another broken promise. Trump got elected because after eight years of being a called a slovenly, lazy, stupid, Islamophobic racist after twice electing a black man as POTUS, middle America had no appetite to spend the next four being told they also hate women. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted July 13, 2017 Share Posted July 13, 2017 About the same number of desperate people who voted for Hillary because she promised to provide free college to anyone earning less than $125K/year. Obamacare didn't get Trump elected. Congress, sure, but Trump? Pick another broken promise. Trump got elected because after eight years of being a called a slovenly, lazy, stupid, Islamophobic racist after twice electing a black man as POTUS, middle America had no appetite to spend the next four being told they also hate women. People who studied and work hard for a living refuse to apologize for their accomplishments, calling them racists and despicable is killing the Dems. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IDBillzFan Posted July 13, 2017 Share Posted July 13, 2017 People who studied and work hard for a living refuse to apologize for their accomplishments, calling them racists and despicable is killing the Dems. Yes, but, y'know...RUSSIA!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted July 13, 2017 Share Posted July 13, 2017 New GOP "healthcare" bill is out in the senate. Still slashes Medicaid brutally to shower more wealth on the poor suffering wealthy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Brown Posted July 13, 2017 Share Posted July 13, 2017 New GOP "healthcare" bill is out in the senate. Still slashes Medicaid brutally to shower more wealth on the poor suffering wealthy Yeah, but it keeps most of Obamacare in place which is all I really care about with the GOP dominating all three branches. Mainly, you can't be denied for having preexisting conditions. If you're a healthy 20 or 30 something and you don't want to purchase insurance you don't have to pay a fine now. Just be ready to go bankrupt if life throws you a medical curve ball. The cuts on Medicaid are pretty minor and based on the right's economic theory that they're going to get people off medicaid by giving the rich and businesses lower tax rates. The idea being they will create more jobs and getting people off the welfare rolls (which what Medicaid really is). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted July 13, 2017 Share Posted July 13, 2017 Yeah, but it keeps most of Obamacare in place which is all I really care about with the GOP dominating all three branches. Mainly, you can't be denied for having preexisting conditions. If you're a healthy 20 or 30 something and you don't want to purchase insurance you don't have to pay a fine now. Just be ready to go bankrupt if life throws you a medical curve ball. The cuts on Medicaid are pretty minor and based on the right's economic theory that they're going to get people off medicaid by giving the rich and businesses lower tax rates. The idea being they will create more jobs and getting people off the welfare rolls (which what Medicaid really is). The cuts in Medicaid are not minor to those many millions who are losing health insurance. Its the biggest part of the plan. It's a real big deal. And the idea that the tax cuts will lead to good paying jobs that provide benefits is bunk, you know, right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Man Posted July 14, 2017 Share Posted July 14, 2017 Jake TapperVerified account @jaketapper 3h3 hours ago #URGENT: A British judge will allow US physician Michio Hirano to examine Charlie Gard in London early next week. A judge will *allow* a doctor to examine a patient.......................great Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALF Posted July 14, 2017 Share Posted July 14, 2017 Kasich said the healthcare provided by Medicaid is designed to help sick and poor people get well and get jobs. "Everything we're talking about now, getting people healthy, giving them healthcare, is designed to get them to work," Kasich said. "It's designed to give them an opportunity to have a better life." The Senate bill aims to reduce government-paid healthcare benefits, give more power to states and cut taxes for some http://www.cleveland.com/open/index.ssf/2017/06/ohio_gov_john_kasich_criticize.html Another reason why I supported Kasich for President over Clinton and Trump. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azalin Posted July 14, 2017 Share Posted July 14, 2017 Regardless of whatever winds up being passed, lawmakers can not be allowed to exempt themselves from it like they did with the ACA. It's obscene that they're allowed to impose legislation on all of us while exempting themselves from it. Besides, they've got no real skin in the game, their only motivation is altruism.* * Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bilzfancy Posted July 15, 2017 Share Posted July 15, 2017 Get the damn government out of health care altogether Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted July 15, 2017 Share Posted July 15, 2017 Pence telling more lies “I know Governor Kasich isn’t with us, but I suspect that he’s very troubled to know that in Ohio alone, nearly 60,000 disabled citizens are stuck on waiting lists, leaving them without the care they need for months or even years,” said Pence. The waiting lists Pence referred to apply to Medicaid’s home and community-based services, and have not been affected by the program’s expansion under the ACA. States have long had waiting lists for these services, and the Henry J. Kaiser Family Foundation’s executive vice president, Diane Rowland, noted that waiting lists in non-expansion states are often longer than in expansion states, which currently receive a 95 percent federal match for their newly covered beneficiaries. Kasich spokesman Jon Keeling said in an interview that Pence’s suggestion that 60,000 disabled Ohioans remain on waiting lists “is not accurate,” adding that to suggest Medicaid expansion hurt the state’s developmentally disabled “system is false, as it is just the opposite of what actually happened.” https://www.washingtonpost.com/powerpost/kasich-joins-ranks-of-gop-governors-opposed-to-new-senate-health-bill/2017/07/14/1b158842-68a4-11e7-a1d7-9a32c91c6f40_story.html?hpid=hp_hp-top-table-main_healthcare-620pm%3Ahomepage%2Fstory&utm_term=.91389e12531b Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Man Posted July 15, 2017 Share Posted July 15, 2017 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Brown Posted July 15, 2017 Share Posted July 15, 2017 Insurance companies, doctor representatives, and hospitals have all come out against the Cruz amendment. They're usually silent. That's because premiums will skyrocket for those who either have preexisting conditions or those that will develop them as younger and healthier people can buy bare bone policies. Also, if you buy a bare bone policy that doesn't cover much except primary care visits, you have to wait 6 months if life throws you a curve ball in order to purchase a plan that covers hospitalizations and other essential health benefits. Get ready for more bankruptcies due to medical costs like you had before the ACA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boatdrinks Posted July 15, 2017 Share Posted July 15, 2017 New GOP "healthcare" bill is out in the senate. Still slashes Medicaid brutally to shower more wealth on the poor suffering wealthy You mean attempts to bring Medicaid's definition of " poor" a bit closer to what is was before Barack expanded it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted July 15, 2017 Share Posted July 15, 2017 You mean attempts to bring Medicaid's definition of " poor" a bit closer to what is was before Barack expanded it? Being sick or hurt can make you poor real quick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boatdrinks Posted July 15, 2017 Share Posted July 15, 2017 Get the damn government out of health care altogether First, get employers out of healthcare. All healthcare benefits are converted to wages immediately. Healthcare is purchased by all on the open market, tax credit on your 1040. High deductible bare bones plans available to singles/ couples w/ out dependents who sign a right to die waiver from treatment. Couples w/ dependents must have " full coverage" ( kind of like a financed vehicle) until dependents are age 18. This way there is no cheating, everyone pays for their own. Then there will truly be a " free market " in health insurance, and employers will be free of the burden caused by the current failed system. The system now in place is broken because of demographic change in the US. We no longer live in a family structure where one person works and the other stays home and raises the kids. Companies are now beholden mostly to shareholders, not their employees. Execs are paid hundreds or thousands of times higher salaries than employees, not 10, 30 , or 50 times more. The world has changed, and what once was a decent idea for healthcare is now one that costs too much and companies cannot or will not keep up. People have kids that they cannot afford. The health insurance requirement could ensure that they " pay to play" if they want them and not just exepect the government ( i.e. The taxpayers) to pick up their expense. Free up the market by making it truly individual, and costs should come down. Being sick or hurt can make you poor real quick That's not the point. Putting more people on Medicare by simply redifining what " poor is" doesn't solve healthcare cost issues. Just puts more on the government tit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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