sirebors Posted August 22, 2013 Share Posted August 22, 2013 (edited) http://m.usatoday.com/article/news/2605795'>http://m.usatoday.com/article/news/2605795 Everyone is ecstatic that Jarius Byrd is back but why is everyone so willing to throw a big contact his way? He has been diagnosed with the same hip problem that Percy Harvin has that has at least a 40% chance of requiring hip surgery. This after Byrd has already had problems with and lost playing time because of his hips. Maybe the Bills are doing the right thing in not throwing him a huge contract with a ton of guaranteed money. "Harvin hadn't appeared on an injury report with a hip issue since Weeks 2 and 3 of the 2010 season. But every NFL team that examined Harvin at the 2009 scouting combine knew he had impingement and tightness in both hips as well as weak abductor muscles, two people with knowledge of those examinations told USA TODAY Sports. The people spoke on condition of anonymity since the results were not released.A study published in January — co-authored by Vikings team physician Christopher Larson, Tennessee Titans team physician Thomas Byrd and hip specialist Bryan Kelly — suggests there is at least a 40% chance a player with those risk factors will eventually require hip surgery or other treatment for degenerative conditions.Another player from the 2009 draft, Buffalo Bills safety Jairus Byrd, showed similar signs on X-rays at the combine and ended up missing the end of his rookie season to have surgery for a labral tear — the same type of injury Kelly is to fix for Harvin today in New York". http://m.usatoday.com/article/news/2605795 Edited August 22, 2013 by sirebors Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atlbillsfan1975 Posted August 23, 2013 Share Posted August 23, 2013 Sounds to me Byrd already had the surgery Harvin is having now. Byrd has been injury free since then. I do not believe the reason the Bills and Byrd have not reached a long term agreement has anything to do with this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bangarang Posted August 23, 2013 Share Posted August 23, 2013 The guy has been healthy and a top performer for this team while being a classy professional. Now people are going to start finding things wrong with him? Pay the man the money he deserves and not worry about the FS position for years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Homey D. Clown Posted August 23, 2013 Share Posted August 23, 2013 (edited) In case anyone hasn't noticed, Byrd has openly stated he wants to be traded, this guy will play 16 more games in a Bills uniform, and that's it. There's no doubt he feels betrayed, and will sign elsewhere, so if I were the coaching staff, i'd make damn sure I had his replacement getting as many reps as possible this year. Edited August 23, 2013 by Homey D. Clown Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sirebors Posted August 23, 2013 Author Share Posted August 23, 2013 The guy has been healthy and a top performer for this team while being a classy professional. Now people are going to start finding things wrong with him? Pay the man the money he deserves and not worry about the FS position for years. It's a degenerative condition. This isn't me looking to find trivial things wrong with Byrd. This is a legitimate concern. " there is at least a 40% chance a player with those risk factors will eventually require hip surgery or other treatment for degenerative conditions." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bangarang Posted August 23, 2013 Share Posted August 23, 2013 In case anyone hasn't noticed, Byrd has openly stated he wants to be traded, this guy will play 16 more games in a Bills uniform, and that's it. There's no doubt he feels betrayed, and will sign elsewhere, so if I were the coaching staff, i'd make damn sure I had his replacement getting as many reps as possible this year. Have a link where Byrd openly stated he wants to be traded? I'll wait. Also, just so you know, we can place the franchise tag on him again next season. So really, we can 2 more seasons out of Byrd. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cotton Fitzsimmons Posted August 23, 2013 Share Posted August 23, 2013 In case anyone hasn't noticed, Byrd has openly stated he wants to be traded, this guy will play 16 more games in a Bills uniform, and that's it. There's no doubt he feels betrayed, and will sign elsewhere, so if I were the coaching staff, i'd make damn sure I had his replacement getting as many reps as possible this year. Homey D. Clown, my good man, it's not really Byrd's decision. The team can tag him again next year, and the 20% jump in pay really isn't as prohibitive as some are making it out to be. He gets 6.9 mil this year, and 8.28 the following year if they tag him in 2014. It all averages out in the 7 mil range the Bills seemingly were offering. If the Byrd man gets that tag again next year, with Byrd being another year older and locked in to another 1 year tender, it would make more sense for him in the long run to take a little less and lock in the long term deal. Bottom line is the Bills hold all the cards here, and it appears that they're not making unnecessary concessions a la Marv/Russ/Co. during the Nate Clements fiasco. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
White Linen Posted August 23, 2013 Share Posted August 23, 2013 Have a link where Byrd openly stated he wants to be traded? I'll wait. Also, just so you know, we can place the franchise tag on him again next season. So really, we can 2 more seasons out of Byrd. It's been on the bottom ticker on both ESPN and the NFL network since last night. I believe Ian Rapoport reported it first. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DefenseWinzChampionshipz Posted August 23, 2013 Share Posted August 23, 2013 Have a link where Byrd openly stated he wants to be traded? I'll wait. Also, just so you know, we can place the franchise tag on him again next season. So really, we can 2 more seasons out of Byrd. Yeah I would like to see the link also... I've been pretty up on my Bills news and don't remember of Byrd saying any such thing... It's been on the bottom ticker on both ESPN and the NFL network since last night. I believe Ian Rapoport reported it first. Oh... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bangarang Posted August 23, 2013 Share Posted August 23, 2013 (edited) It's been on the bottom ticker on both ESPN and the NFL network since last night. I believe Ian Rapoport reported it first. Ian Rapoport stating a rumor about Byrd possibly wanting to be traded automatically equals Byrd openly stating he wants to be traded? Yeah...no. Edited August 23, 2013 by Bangarang Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
biglukes Posted August 23, 2013 Share Posted August 23, 2013 All the rumor is, unless I missed something, its that "Byrd would be open to a trade". No demand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
White Linen Posted August 23, 2013 Share Posted August 23, 2013 Ian Rapoport stating a rumor about Byrd possibly wanting to be traded automatically equals Byrd openly stating he wants to be traded? Yeah...no. Relax Cookie Monster. I just stated where all that's coming from. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
San Jose Bills Fan Posted August 23, 2013 Share Posted August 23, 2013 In case anyone hasn't noticed, Byrd has openly stated he wants to be traded Where did he state this please? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Homey D. Clown Posted August 23, 2013 Share Posted August 23, 2013 Where did he state this please? I am quoting from what was reported yesterday on NFL network. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Caveman Posted August 23, 2013 Share Posted August 23, 2013 It's a degenerative condition. This isn't me looking to find trivial things wrong with Byrd. This is a legitimate concern. " there is at least a 40% chance a player with those risk factors will eventually require hip surgery or other treatment for degenerative conditions." He already had the surgery. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Homey D. Clown Posted August 23, 2013 Share Posted August 23, 2013 (edited) Have a link where Byrd openly stated he wants to be traded? I'll wait. Also, just so you know, we can place the franchise tag on him again next season. So really, we can 2 more seasons out of Byrd. Keep waiting, and I already knew. Just so you know, it's on NFL network, and other social media, so poke around. Don't like my message? fine, but the reality here is that Byrd is very unhappy with the team right now, and it's going to take a complete effort on the side of the Bills to change that. His agent is collossal A-hole eugene Parker, who has a history of managing players who hold out. Think it's a coincidence? Well next up is Alex Carrington, and now that he's playing well, my money is on him holding out come contract time, and yes his agent is also Parker. I'm not suggesting the Bills cave to Parkers demands, but at some point the price exceeds the value based upon a team management mentality, and since this is a high player churn league, it's probably best to groom the next guy. Edited August 23, 2013 by Homey D. Clown Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
San Jose Bills Fan Posted August 23, 2013 Share Posted August 23, 2013 I am quoting from what was reported yesterday on NFL network. Keep waiting, and I already knew. Just so you know, it's on NFL network, and other social media, so poke around. Don't like my message? fine, but the reality here is that Byrd is very unhappy with the team right now, and it's going to take a complete effort on the side of the Bills to change that. His agent is collossal A-hole eugene Parker, who has a history of managing players who hold out. Think it's a coincidence? Well next up is Alex Carrington, and now that he's playing well, my money is on him holding out come contract time, and yes his agent is also Parker. Like Werder and Rappaport, you're speculating. Your quote was that Byrd "has openly stated he wants to be traded." He has not said anything publicly so for you to post something like this is irresponsible and also, wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whites Bay Posted August 23, 2013 Share Posted August 23, 2013 He already had the surgery. I'm not a doctor - I just dress like one. There are doctors on the board, and they'll weigh in. But "degenerative" is fairly defined term. It means that a single surgical procedure does not guarantee a final successful outcome. In fact, it means that multiple surgical procedures do not guarantee a successul long term outcome. It means that there's an underlying condition that will fight against the progress made by the surgery. How fast that battle is won by the degenerative condition depends on the severity of the condition, the patient, and a host of other factors. But in a lot of cases, a surgical procedure doesn't STOP a degenerative condition. It delays the inevitable. Byrd's PROBABLY going to be okay in the short term, and in the NFL, a career is "short term". But, yeah, I could see some GM having a discussion with his team's medical staff and coming away a little gun-shy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iinii Posted August 23, 2013 Share Posted August 23, 2013 If it is on the Internet and the crawler it must be true Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobChalmers Posted August 23, 2013 Share Posted August 23, 2013 I am mis-quoting from what was reported yesterday on NFL network. Fixed! "NFL.com's Ian Rapoport reported Wednesday that "ill will remains" between Byrd and the Buffalo Bills. The two-time Pro Bowl free safety isn't demanding a trade but is believed to be open to one, according to a person informed of Byrd's thinking." http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap1000000232635/article/jairus-byrd-open-to-being-traded-by-buffalo-bills He may well end up traded if the Bills get a good offer, but Byrd has most definitely NOT "openly stated he wants to be traded". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cheddar's Dad Posted August 23, 2013 Share Posted August 23, 2013 This looks to me like agent bargaining position talk and not something that Byrd actually wants. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerry Christ Posted August 23, 2013 Share Posted August 23, 2013 The guy has been healthy and a top performer for this team while being a classy professional. Now people are going to start finding things wrong with him? Pay the man the money he deserves and not worry about the FS position for years. I wouldn't stay top performer or classy.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsBytheBay Posted August 23, 2013 Share Posted August 23, 2013 And supposedly, no body is interested in him. That came from rapaport too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kellyto83TD Posted August 23, 2013 Share Posted August 23, 2013 Trade him while we can get a decent pick for him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gugny Posted August 23, 2013 Share Posted August 23, 2013 Don't even bother going through the trouble of trading him. Just cut his ass. Damaged goods. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerball Posted August 23, 2013 Share Posted August 23, 2013 I'm not sure if I should throw the flag for bad subject or repeat topic? OP...please change your thread title to something more descriptive. We'll start there, but IMO this discussion should be part of the Byrd signs tender thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meatloaf Sandwich Posted August 23, 2013 Share Posted August 23, 2013 (edited) In case anyone hasn't noticed, Byrd has openly stated he wants to be traded, this guy will play 16 more games in a Bills uniform, and that's it. There's no doubt he feels betrayed, and will sign elsewhere, so if I were the coaching staff, i'd make damn sure I had his replacement getting as many reps as possible this year. Lol you really need to put caption on the TV since you cannot listen. "Byrd openly said" no, no he didn't. Edited August 23, 2013 by Meatloaf Sandwich Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gugny Posted August 23, 2013 Share Posted August 23, 2013 I would suggest a title change to "Byrd Injury Concern," or something similar. I think it's a separate topic from him signing the tender ... which is old news, anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Homey D. Clown Posted August 23, 2013 Share Posted August 23, 2013 Lol you really need to put caption on the TV since you cannot listen. "Byrd openly said" no, no he didn't. Lol, you need to do a little research before you make yourself look foolish, it was just reported this morning on espn that Byrd as asked to be traded. Fixed! "NFL.com's Ian Rapoport reported Wednesday that "ill will remains" between Byrd and the Buffalo Bills. The two-time Pro Bowl free safety isn't demanding a trade but is believed to be open to one, according to a person informed of Byrd's thinking." http://www.nfl.com/n...y-buffalo-bills He may well end up traded if the Bills get a good offer, but Byrd has most definitely NOT "openly stated he wants to be traded". cute.... and no, he, meaning Byrd, the player, has made it public... IE openly... stated, meaning said to someone able to report it to the media, that he wants... meaning would like to have happen... a trade.... meaning play for another team.... clear enough now for you? Go "fix" and mis-quote then change someone else's post that needs it. By the way, since this has rubbed so many of the wrong way, bashing me doesn't make it not true or even go away. This holdout was not good, and just because he signed his tender doesn't make me feel good about the whole situation period. so flame away internet tough guys, you're hilarious. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gugny Posted August 23, 2013 Share Posted August 23, 2013 Lol, you need to do a little research before you make yourself look foolish, it was just reported this morning on espn that Byrd as asked to be traded. cute.... and no, he, meaning Byrd, the player, has made it public... IE openly... stated, meaning said to someone able to report it to the media, that he wants... meaning would like to have happen... a trade.... meaning play for another team.... clear enough now for you? Go "fix" and mis-quote then change someone else's post that needs it. By the way, since this has rubbed so many of the wrong way, bashing me doesn't make it not true or even go away. This holdout was not good, and just because he signed his tender doesn't make me feel good about the whole situation period. so flame away internet tough guys, you're hilarious. You are one angry clown!! No one has reported that Byrd has requested a trade. Not even ESPN (which wouldn't mean crap, anyway). Being open to something and requesting something are completely different situations. Byrd is at the point in his career where he's looking for the big payday. It's that simple. It's likely the Bills will NOT overpay for the 5th or 6th best safety in the league - smart for the Bills. It's also likely that Byrd will accept a trade to a team that WILL be stupid enough to overpay him - smart for Byrd. Nobody is wrong in this. It's just the nature of the beast. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malazan Posted August 23, 2013 Share Posted August 23, 2013 This thread subject should be changed to 'The homey d. clown digging deeper holes show' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobblehead Posted August 23, 2013 Share Posted August 23, 2013 Someone who holds out this long is obviously not happy, hello. Still, since he did not come in and ask for a trade, and that he's traveling to Washington today is a good sign. I'm sure the agent isn't satisfied, hello. Still, if no one is making direct and acrimonious statements in public, well that's a somewhat good sign too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALLEN1QB Posted August 23, 2013 Share Posted August 23, 2013 Is this Mr Wilson? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yungmack Posted August 23, 2013 Share Posted August 23, 2013 I'm not a doctor - I just dress like one. There are doctors on the board, and they'll weigh in. But "degenerative" is fairly defined term. It means that a single surgical procedure does not guarantee a final successful outcome. In fact, it means that multiple surgical procedures do not guarantee a successul long term outcome. It means that there's an underlying condition that will fight against the progress made by the surgery. How fast that battle is won by the degenerative condition depends on the severity of the condition, the patient, and a host of other factors. But in a lot of cases, a surgical procedure doesn't STOP a degenerative condition. It delays the inevitable. Byrd's PROBABLY going to be okay in the short term, and in the NFL, a career is "short term". But, yeah, I could see some GM having a discussion with his team's medical staff and coming away a little gun-shy. Life is a degenerative condition. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Homey D. Clown Posted August 23, 2013 Share Posted August 23, 2013 This thread subject should be changed to 'The homey d. clown digging deeper holes show' Awww... you're so cute when you're stupid.... You are one angry clown!! No one has reported that Byrd has requested a trade. Not even ESPN (which wouldn't mean crap, anyway). Being open to something and requesting something are completely different situations. Byrd is at the point in his career where he's looking for the big payday. It's that simple. It's likely the Bills will NOT overpay for the 5th or 6th best safety in the league - smart for the Bills. It's also likely that Byrd will accept a trade to a team that WILL be stupid enough to overpay him - smart for Byrd. Nobody is wrong in this. It's just the nature of the beast. It was reported this morning on sirius radio, but yes... Homey D. clown is one surly clown.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted August 23, 2013 Share Posted August 23, 2013 In case anyone hasn't noticed, Byrd has openly stated he wants to be traded, this guy will play 16 more games in a Bills uniform, and that's it. There's no doubt he feels betrayed, and will sign elsewhere, so if I were the coaching staff, i'd make damn sure I had his replacement getting as many reps as possible this year. Actually he has no control over that, Bills will franchise him again if he doesn't come to a long term agreement...plus I got a feeling playing in Pettines system might just change his mind as well... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RCOHEN13 Posted August 23, 2013 Share Posted August 23, 2013 I'm not a doctor - I just dress like one. There are doctors on the board, and they'll weigh in. But "degenerative" is fairly defined term. It means that a single surgical procedure does not guarantee a final successful outcome. In fact, it means that multiple surgical procedures do not guarantee a successul long term outcome. It means that there's an underlying condition that will fight against the progress made by the surgery. How fast that battle is won by the degenerative condition depends on the severity of the condition, the patient, and a host of other factors. But in a lot of cases, a surgical procedure doesn't STOP a degenerative condition. It delays the inevitable. Byrd's PROBABLY going to be okay in the short term, and in the NFL, a career is "short term". But, yeah, I could see some GM having a discussion with his team's medical staff and coming away a little gun-shy. I'm not a Dr. but i did stay at a Holiday Inn express last night! lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobChalmers Posted August 23, 2013 Share Posted August 23, 2013 Lol, you need to do a little research before you make yourself look foolish, it was just reported this morning on espn that Byrd as asked to be traded. cute.... and no, he, meaning Byrd, the player, has made it public... IE openly... stated, meaning said to someone able to report it to the media, that he wants... meaning would like to have happen... a trade.... meaning play for another team.... clear enough now for you? Go "fix" and mis-quote then change someone else's post that needs it. By the way, since this has rubbed so many of the wrong way, bashing me doesn't make it not true or even go away. This holdout was not good, and just because he signed his tender doesn't make me feel good about the whole situation period. so flame away internet tough guys, you're hilarious. Hmm - Homey don't play English, apparently. He is believed to have privately discussed with a friend that he was open to a trade. This is definitely not the same as he openly stating he wants a trade. Same word "open" - two completely different meanings. It happens in English. Your correct move was to say from the start "oops - I misread that" and everyone would have dropped it. But you apparently enjoy shoveling - keep digging. This thread subject should be changed to 'The homey d. clown digging deeper holes show' Extremely well put. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted August 23, 2013 Share Posted August 23, 2013 I can find nothing saying he wants a trade, other than some unfounded speculation...did find an article saying the Bills are fielding potential offers for him in what would be a player for player swap... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobblehead Posted August 23, 2013 Share Posted August 23, 2013 (edited) I can find nothing saying he wants a trade, other than some unfounded speculation...did find an article saying the Bills are fielding potential offers for him in what would be a player for player swap... And the Bills would be remiss if they didn't. Doesn't mean they don't want to sign him. Even though neither Byrd nor his agent are asking for a trade, it doesn't mean you can't look at the possibility if it exists Edited August 23, 2013 by bobblehead Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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