first_and_ten Posted February 13, 2013 Share Posted February 13, 2013 Ryan Fitzpatrick is due a roster bonus in March. What do the Bills brass do? Do they cut him? Do they restructure his contract? Or do they pay it and go forward as is? My opinion is they will try to restructure his contract. This is the only way to really save on the cap. If he won't restructure, which would be foolish of him, then they cut him. Either way they will not pay that roster bonus. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jjmac Posted February 13, 2013 Share Posted February 13, 2013 They might, given their reluctance to play anybody else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
auburnbillsbacker Posted February 13, 2013 Share Posted February 13, 2013 (edited) Even though there are rules against it, most teams more or less know if they won the bidding war on free agents by the end of the Combine. Keep in my that Nix told us well before free agency last year that the bills would be a "big player" in free agency last year. So if the bill come up with a plan for the QB position prior to March something might be done. Edited February 13, 2013 by auburnbillsbacker Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RyanC883 Posted February 13, 2013 Share Posted February 13, 2013 If he does not restructure he is gone. No way they pay him the roster bonus when he is most likely a backup. Plus, if he does not restructure, that gives you some insight into his attitude about being demoted to second string. Don't need that negativity for the new QB. He could go to AZ. He's prob good enough to get the ball to Fitzgerald. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shibuya Posted February 13, 2013 Share Posted February 13, 2013 If he does not restructure he is gone. No way they pay him the roster bonus when he is most likely a backup. Plus, if he does not restructure, that gives you some insight into his attitude about being demoted to second string. Don't need that negativity for the new QB. He could go to AZ. He's prob good enough to get the ball to Fitzgerald. I disagree. He saves nothing against the cap if cut. He has a head for the game and he will be a great mentor to any drafted QB. I don;t foresee the Bills being big players in a trade for Alex Smith either so that pretty much makes Fitz the QB vet we keep by default Plus he'll restructure, the only way he wouldn't restructure is if he believed he can make big money somewhere else, other wise Fitz knows his best payday is to stay put and restructure Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boyst Posted February 13, 2013 Share Posted February 13, 2013 I disagree. He saves nothing against the cap if cut. He has a head for the game and he will be a great mentor to any drafted QB. I don;t foresee the Bills being big players in a trade for Alex Smith either so that pretty much makes Fitz the QB vet we keep by default Plus he'll restructure, the only way he wouldn't restructure is if he believed he can make big money somewhere else, other wise Fitz knows his best payday is to stay put and restructure He can make money but what kind of contract do backup QB's get? A deal w someone Like Green Bay behind a very good QB he could do well when needed and enough to win. A 3 yr contract? $4mm/yr? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Trooth Posted February 13, 2013 Share Posted February 13, 2013 Dudes. Bills aint cutting Fitz. Come back and show me the love on March 4th. The logic? 1) Cutting Fitz gives the Bills only a 450k benefit this year. So, virtually no cap relief this year. 2) Cutting Fitz gives the Bills no qb at all. No qb at all means Bills have no leverage in trades, no leverage in negotiating for a FA qb, and no leverage in any potential trade up in the draft. With that, my friends, do you think the Bills are really that stupid to cut Fitz without having a SIGNIFICANTLY better option at qb RIGHT NOW???... like before he's cut. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canadian Bills Fan Posted February 13, 2013 Share Posted February 13, 2013 Dudes. Bills aint cutting Fitz. Come back and show me the love on March 4th. The logic? 1) Cutting Fitz gives the Bills only a 450k benefit this year. So, virtually no cap relief this year. 2) Cutting Fitz gives the Bills no qb at all. No qb at all means Bills have no leverage in trades, no leverage in negotiating for a FA qb, and no leverage in any potential trade up in the draft. With that, my friends, do you think the Bills are really that stupid to cut Fitz without having a SIGNIFICANTLY better option at qb RIGHT NOW???... like before he's cut. Cant argue with this CBF Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bronc24 Posted February 13, 2013 Share Posted February 13, 2013 Dudes. Bills aint cutting Fitz. Come back and show me the love on March 4th. The logic? 1) Cutting Fitz gives the Bills only a 450k benefit this year. So, virtually no cap relief this year. 2) Cutting Fitz gives the Bills no qb at all. No qb at all means Bills have no leverage in trades, no leverage in negotiating for a FA qb, and no leverage in any potential trade up in the draft. With that, my friends, do you think the Bills are really that stupid to cut Fitz without having a SIGNIFICANTLY better option at qb RIGHT NOW???... like before he's cut. I agree Fitz is leverage. For the other team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CodeMonkey Posted February 13, 2013 Share Posted February 13, 2013 Yeah ole Buddy really screwed the pooch with that Fitz contract. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CardinalScotts Posted February 13, 2013 Share Posted February 13, 2013 Yeah ole Buddy really screwed the pooch with that Fitz contract. no choice Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I'm Spartacus Posted February 13, 2013 Share Posted February 13, 2013 So what....Pegula has tons of money to burn. Whoops! Sorry = I'm talking about the wrong loser Buffalo sports team! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Hindsight Posted February 13, 2013 Share Posted February 13, 2013 Dudes. Bills aint cutting Fitz. Come back and show me the love on March 4th. The logic? 1) Cutting Fitz gives the Bills only a 450k benefit this year. So, virtually no cap relief this year. 2) Cutting Fitz gives the Bills no qb at all. No qb at all means Bills have no leverage in trades, no leverage in negotiating for a FA qb, and no leverage in any potential trade up in the draft. With that, my friends, do you think the Bills are really that stupid to cut Fitz without having a SIGNIFICANTLY better option at qb RIGHT NOW???... like before he's cut. This^ There is no benefit to letting him go now. None, zero zip. It just creates another hole. Not a good idea to go into the draft needing to draft a QB in order to have, well anyone capable of playing QB in August Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobobonators Posted February 13, 2013 Share Posted February 13, 2013 how many times can we possibly adress the same point - over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big C Posted February 13, 2013 Share Posted February 13, 2013 no choice He could have waited until the end of the season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26TrapDraw Posted February 13, 2013 Share Posted February 13, 2013 (edited) Ryan Fitzpatrick is due a roster bonus in March. What do the Bills brass do? Do they cut him? Do they restructure his contract? Or do they pay it and go forward as is? My opinion is they will try to restructure his contract. This is the only way to really save on the cap. If he won't restructure, which would be foolish of him, then they cut him. Either way they will not pay that roster bonus. Fitz has to restructure. There is no other viable way he's worth keeping around. also cutting Kelsay and Mcgee will save us 10.5million. those things all need to happen for us to have a bit of FA money, sign our own ( Byrd and Levitre), and be able to sign the rookie class. Edited February 13, 2013 by LVBillsBackr Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boyst Posted February 13, 2013 Share Posted February 13, 2013 He could have waited until the end of the season. At that rate with his success he would have commanded more money. He was playing pro bowl calibre. Beating the big names with stats and such. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paupmvp1995 Posted February 13, 2013 Share Posted February 13, 2013 Dudes. Bills aint cutting Fitz. Come back and show me the love on March 4th. The logic? 1) Cutting Fitz gives the Bills only a 450k benefit this year. So, virtually no cap relief this year. 2) Cutting Fitz gives the Bills no qb at all. No qb at all means Bills have no leverage in trades, no leverage in negotiating for a FA qb, and no leverage in any potential trade up in the draft. With that, my friends, do you think the Bills are really that stupid to cut Fitz without having a SIGNIFICANTLY better option at qb RIGHT NOW???... like before he's cut. In my opinion Tooth you are missing the boat. This is not really a money decision. This is a talent decision. I seriously think the days of the "old Bills" are over. No more Chan Gailey to misevaluate every player on this roster. Marrone has no allegiances to Fitz whatsoever. And make no mistake this is not Buddy Nix's team anymore. This is Russ Brandon and Doug Marrone's team. Marrone will have the FINAL decision on all personnel moves. If he thinks Fitz is garbage, which I think most of us think he is. He will be GONE. What benefit is there to keep a QB that is a perennial loser? I would just assume go into camp with TJack, Matt Moore and a rookie. Or Alex Smith, and two rookies.. Or T Jack and two rookies, or Matt Moore and two rookies. Haven't the past three years of Fitz shown everyone including you Dr Tooth that the guy is just not good enuf to play QB in the NFL? He has NO UPSIDE!! Don't you all want this team to get better? So start changing your thinking. Marrone is not the same clowns who have run this team for years. He understands what it takes to win in the NFL. He coached on one of the best offenses in the history of the NFL (Saints) Give the "bring back Fitz BS" a rest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malazan Posted February 13, 2013 Share Posted February 13, 2013 Is search broken on this forum? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QCity Posted February 13, 2013 Share Posted February 13, 2013 There is no benefit to letting him go now. None, zero zip. Well, there is the small matter of saving $7M+ in actual money that we don't have to pay him lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KeisterHollow Posted February 13, 2013 Share Posted February 13, 2013 Dudes. Bills aint cutting Fitz. Come back and show me the love on March 4th. The logic? 1) Cutting Fitz gives the Bills only a 450k benefit this year. So, virtually no cap relief this year. 2) Cutting Fitz gives the Bills no qb at all. No qb at all means Bills have no leverage in trades, no leverage in negotiating for a FA qb, and no leverage in any potential trade up in the draft. With that, my friends, do you think the Bills are really that stupid to cut Fitz without having a SIGNIFICANTLY better option at qb RIGHT NOW???... like before he's cut. I think you're obviously right on. The contract, as it is, virtually prohibits them from cutting him. It also virtually prohibits them from going after a guy like San Fran's Alex Smith. He would demand near 10 million a year, I'm guessing, if not a little more, and that, combined with Fitz's current pay (regardless of being here or gettin cut) would put Buffalo on the hook for near 20 million towards a QB that would be pretty unanimously NOT elite. Compare that to keeping Fitz and drafting a QB - getting talent with a higher ceiling than Smith, and paying a combined 12 or so million a year for a QB - and that's if they get a 1st rounder - and that secures a very good backup/mentor type for the first, difficult year. To me there really isn't a choice - unless Fitz restructures, lowering his cap hit, and even then - at a reduced price, with his particulars (intelligence, locker room friendliness) he'd be a great backup/stop-gap QB - but more near the 5 million a year rate for now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jcbillsfan Posted February 13, 2013 Share Posted February 13, 2013 I disagree. He saves nothing against the cap if cut. He has a head for the game and he will be a great mentor to any drafted QB. I don;t foresee the Bills being big players in a trade for Alex Smith either so that pretty much makes Fitz the QB vet we keep by default Plus he'll restructure, the only way he wouldn't restructure is if he believed he can make big money somewhere else, other wise Fitz knows his best payday is to stay put and restructure His only value to the team is if he restructures and cuts his cap number by more then half. As a player he is rather useless Paying him ten million is different then a cap number of ten. Either way the situation sucks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
purple haze Posted February 13, 2013 Share Posted February 13, 2013 Yeah ole Buddy really screwed the pooch with that Fitz contract. No he didn't. In the grand scheme of QB contracts, Fitz received average QB money. Just turned out Fitz ain't worth average QB money. For a while he looked like he was. No shame in giving him the contract he got. If he had gotten top 12 money then you could say he screwed the pooch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
truth on hold Posted February 13, 2013 Share Posted February 13, 2013 Dudes. Bills aint cutting Fitz. Come back and show me the love on March 4th. The logic? 1) Cutting Fitz gives the Bills only a 450k benefit this year. So, virtually no cap relief this year. 2) Cutting Fitz gives the Bills no qb at all. No qb at all means Bills have no leverage in trades, no leverage in negotiating for a FA qb, and no leverage in any potential trade up in the draft. With that, my friends, do you think the Bills are really that stupid to cut Fitz without having a SIGNIFICANTLY better option at qb RIGHT NOW???... like before he's cut. Its real cash out the door and the cap savings extends beyond 2013. Its bogus to keep saying we're economically indifferent to cutting or keeping Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted February 13, 2013 Share Posted February 13, 2013 In my opinion Tooth you are missing the boat. This is not really a money decision. This is a talent decision. I seriously think the days of the "old Bills" are over. No more Chan Gailey to misevaluate every player on this roster. Marrone has no allegiances to Fitz whatsoever. And make no mistake this is not Buddy Nix's team anymore. This is Russ Brandon and Doug Marrone's team. Marrone will have the FINAL decision on all personnel moves. If he thinks Fitz is garbage, which I think most of us think he is. He will be GONE. What benefit is there to keep a QB that is a perennial loser? I would just assume go into camp with TJack, Matt Moore and a rookie. Or Alex Smith, and two rookies.. Or T Jack and two rookies, or Matt Moore and two rookies. Haven't the past three years of Fitz shown everyone including you Dr Tooth that the guy is just not good enuf to play QB in the NFL? He has NO UPSIDE!! Don't you all want this team to get better? So start changing your thinking. Marrone is not the same clowns who have run this team for years. He understands what it takes to win in the NFL. He coached on one of the best offenses in the history of the NFL (Saints) Give the "bring back Fitz BS" a rest. Well said. Time to move on. No upside. Consistant loser. Consistant failure in the clutch. I'd rather have tjack as our QB next year and that's scary. No he didn't. In the grand scheme of QB contracts, Fitz received average QB money. Just turned out Fitz ain't worth average QB money. For a while he looked like he was. No shame in giving him the contract he got. If he had gotten top 12 money then you could say he screwed the pooch. "Just turned out Fritz ain't worth average QB money".....that says it all. Yes, buddy screwed the pooch.no we have a QB that's going to cost 10mill vs the cap regardless of if he's cut or not. It's obvious that we need to replace him. Yet his contract may keep us from replacing him this year. It was a MAJOR blunder on nixs part giving him that money after 5 games, when he's done nothing but lose his entire career. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KollegeStudnet Posted February 13, 2013 Share Posted February 13, 2013 If they DO NOT cut him...grab your pitchforks! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brand J Posted February 13, 2013 Share Posted February 13, 2013 Forget restructuring, he needs to take a PAY CUT. What good is it to push that money to years he won't even see anyway? Restructure AND take a pay cut. His salary should be in the $3M - $5M range. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan89 Posted February 13, 2013 Share Posted February 13, 2013 If he does not restructure he is gone. No way they pay him the roster bonus when he is most likely a backup. Plus, if he does not restructure, that gives you some insight into his attitude about being demoted to second string. Don't need that negativity for the new QB. He could go to AZ. He's prob good enough to get the ball to Fitzgerald. I think Fitz will restructure, its pretty clear he knows that this would be his best chance to play in the NFL as a starter. Knowing the roster getting a chance to compete for the starting job, that's more then he would have going into a different situation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bronc24 Posted February 13, 2013 Share Posted February 13, 2013 This^ There is no benefit to letting him go now. None, zero zip. It just creates another hole. Not a good idea to go into the draft needing to draft a QB in order to have, well anyone capable of playing QB in August The benefit as I see it is not sitting through another season of 4th quarter INTs, zero passing game beyond 10 yards and an incessant amount of insane arguments on this board with people you'd swear were related to Fitz somehow, some way. In my opinion Tooth you are missing the boat. This is not really a money decision. This is a talent decision. I seriously think the days of the "old Bills" are over. No more Chan Gailey to misevaluate every player on this roster. Marrone has no allegiances to Fitz whatsoever. And make no mistake this is not Buddy Nix's team anymore. This is Russ Brandon and Doug Marrone's team. Marrone will have the FINAL decision on all personnel moves. If he thinks Fitz is garbage, which I think most of us think he is. He will be GONE. What benefit is there to keep a QB that is a perennial loser? I would just assume go into camp with TJack, Matt Moore and a rookie. Or Alex Smith, and two rookies.. Or T Jack and two rookies, or Matt Moore and two rookies. Haven't the past three years of Fitz shown everyone including you Dr Tooth that the guy is just not good enuf to play QB in the NFL? He has NO UPSIDE!! Don't you all want this team to get better? So start changing your thinking. Marrone is not the same clowns who have run this team for years. He understands what it takes to win in the NFL. He coached on one of the best offenses in the history of the NFL (Saints) Give the "bring back Fitz BS" a rest. This x a lot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noodlearm Posted February 14, 2013 Share Posted February 14, 2013 Has anyone seen the last issue of SI? (before swimsuit). Two page picture of Fitz getting sacked leading article titled "You Got It Or You Don't" (conclusion on Fitz, he don't). This could have been JP, Trent Edwards, Rob Johnson....... Another in a long line of embarassments at QB. Put this mistake behind us please! Anyone can lose us 13 games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KOKBILLS Posted February 14, 2013 Share Posted February 14, 2013 The benefit as I see it is not sitting through another season of 4th quarter INTs, zero passing game beyond 10 yards and an incessant amount of insane arguments on this board with people you'd swear were related to Fitz somehow, some way. A-freaking-men!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PromoTheRobot Posted February 14, 2013 Share Posted February 14, 2013 Yeah ole Buddy really screwed the pooch with that Fitz contract. I wish I could find the Jerry Sullivan column where he slammed the Bills for not paying Fitz, but I think he deleted the evidence. PTR Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KOKBILLS Posted February 14, 2013 Share Posted February 14, 2013 I wish the OP could add a simple Poll on this thread... 1) Keep Fitz no-restructure 2) Keep Fitz with restructure 3) Cut Fitz I'm just interested in the overall sentiment because I'm too lazy to read every Fitz-related post at this point... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
San Jose Bills Fan Posted February 14, 2013 Share Posted February 14, 2013 I wish the OP could add a simple Poll on this thread... 1) Keep Fitz no-restructure 2) Keep Fitz with restructure 3) Cut Fitz I'm just interested in the overall sentiment because I'm too lazy to read every Fitz-related post at this point... As others have pointed out, a restructure is also distinct from a simple pay cut so Keep Fitz with pay cut would also be a choice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QCity Posted February 14, 2013 Share Posted February 14, 2013 I wish I could find the Jerry Sullivan column where he slammed the Bills for not paying Fitz, but I think he deleted the evidence. PTR The Internet never forgets... Fitz deserves to be paid like a No.1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted February 14, 2013 Share Posted February 14, 2013 I wish the OP could add a simple Poll on this thread... 1) Keep Fitz no-restructure 2) Keep Fitz with restructure 3) Cut Fitz I'm just interested in the overall sentiment because I'm too lazy to read every Fitz-related post at this point... 1) keep Fritz pay cut 2) keep Fritz restructure 3) cut fitz If anyone votes that we should keep fitz at his current salary, they are either A) Fritz himself B) related to Fritz C) a troll. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
truth on hold Posted February 14, 2013 Share Posted February 14, 2013 1) keep Fritz pay cut 2) keep Fritz restructure 3) cut fitz If anyone votes that we should keep fitz at his current salary, they are either A) Fritz himself B) related to Fritz C) a troll. I'd argue that for 1) or 2). The attachment to him on this board is so strong and unwarranted I honestly suspect at least some of it is coming from family, friends, or his agent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Trooth Posted February 14, 2013 Share Posted February 14, 2013 A lot of ya are still missing the point. I get that Fitz sucks and, for the Bills, change is necessary at QB. But, if Fitz were cut it's basically cap neutral and the Bills would still have to pay at least $7m for a starting QB (and potentially a draft pick). There is no one out there that is a significant upgrade over Fitz unless the Bills chase Flacco in FA... and that will bury them cap wise for a few years). And, please, Alex Smith aint an upgrade and neither is Flynn. Biting the bullet on Fitz for one more season. The real problem with this team is on defense anyway... and not just a little problem. They haven't been ranked higher than #23 in years... that's pathetic and that causes problems for any offense... especially one that has been playing with a QB who has limitiations, only one competent wr, a barely adequate TE, and an offensive line that seemingly can't play a full season without losing three starters for a significant # of games. Considering the circumstances this year, the offense is the only reason the Bills won 6 games. Had they played down to the level of the defense, we'd easlly be looking at the #1 pick right now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted February 14, 2013 Share Posted February 14, 2013 A lot of ya are still missing the point. I get that Fitz sucks and, for the Bills, change is necessary at QB. But, if Fitz were cut it's basically cap neutral and the Bills would still have to pay at least $7m for a starting QB (and potentially a draft pick). There is no one out there that is a significant upgrade over Fitz unless the Bills chase Flacco in FA... and that will bury them cap wise for a few years). And, please, Alex Smith aint an upgrade and neither is Flynn. Biting the bullet on Fitz for one more season. The real problem with this team is on defense anyway... and not just a little problem. They haven't been ranked higher than #23 in years... that's pathetic and that causes problems for any offense... especially one that has been playing with a QB who has limitiations, only one competent wr, a barely adequate TE, and an offensive line that seemingly can't play a full season without losing three starters for a significant # of games. Considering the circumstances this year, the offense is the only reason the Bills won 6 games. Had they played down to the level of the defense, we'd easlly be looking at the #1 pick right now. The "real" problem. Lol. The "real" problem is that we haven't had a good QB since Jim Kelly. Yes, our D sucks. Fritz sucks too. QB is the most important position and the guy we have playing it, sucks. Don't kid yourself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bufcomments Posted February 14, 2013 Share Posted February 14, 2013 If he does not restructure he is gone. No way they pay him the roster bonus when he is most likely a backup. Plus, if he does not restructure, that gives you some insight into his attitude about being demoted to second string. Don't need that negativity for the new QB. He could go to AZ. He's prob good enough to get the ball to Fitzgerald. I agree I want him gone last year. Good guy, tough but cant make your team win. He had 3 yrs. If you cut some more of these guys who cant win and bring in some guys who can maybe, just maybe we might be on to something. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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