Hapless Bills Fan Posted September 27, 2012 Share Posted September 27, 2012 Nothing in my life will ever be as bad as Thurman to the Dolphins. You can always tell a new fan. Darryl Lamonica to the Raiders for Powell and Flores (who?). That was worse, way worse. We got to watch him for 7 more years. 4 division titles, an AFL championship, and a trip to the Dance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
San Jose Bills Fan Posted September 27, 2012 Share Posted September 27, 2012 DeHaven doesn't trust his coverage unit, and probably hasn't since that Kerley TD punt return in the first game. So, instead of being on the hot seat, he tells Moorman to kick everything out of bounds? That's some brilliant ST coaching. In a certain respect I admire DeHaven. The guy has proven to be a below-average ST coach, most well-known for the Music City Disaster, and he knows it. The solution? John Potter, who kicks everything through the endzone. And directional punts out of bounds. No more screw-ups on the kick coverage. There's a difference between instructing a punter to punt it out of bounds and instructing him to place the ball between the sidelines and the hashmarks to narrow the field for the coverage team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miyagi-Do Karate Posted September 27, 2012 Share Posted September 27, 2012 There's a difference between instructing a punter to punt it out of bounds and instructing him to place the ball between the sidelines and the hashmarks to narrow the field for the coverage team. So, are what you suggesting is that DeHaven wanted Moorman just to angle it near the sideline, but keep it in bounds, and Moorman basically couldn't/didn't do that and just kicked it out of bounds? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nobody Posted September 27, 2012 Share Posted September 27, 2012 Maybe the Cowboys actually cover punts? Except for the ones that get blocked. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GG Posted September 27, 2012 Share Posted September 27, 2012 So, are what you suggesting is that DeHaven wanted Moorman just to angle it near the sideline, but keep it in bounds, and Moorman basically couldn't/didn't do that and just kicked it out of bounds? Could be, but jw added more fuel on the fire by hinting that DeHaven sandbagged Moorman in the Cleveland game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jumbalaya Posted September 27, 2012 Share Posted September 27, 2012 My take is that the Cowboys were sniffing at Powell and the Bills would not take the chance of losing him. So Jones forced us to make this move. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CowgirlsFan Posted September 27, 2012 Share Posted September 27, 2012 Except for the ones that get blocked. And the "almost" on Sunday that gets the punter injured. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
San Jose Bills Fan Posted September 27, 2012 Share Posted September 27, 2012 So, are what you suggesting is that DeHaven wanted Moorman just to angle it near the sideline, but keep it in bounds, and Moorman basically couldn't/didn't do that and just kicked it out of bounds? Exactly. That's what directional punting is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsrcursed Posted September 27, 2012 Share Posted September 27, 2012 So, are what you suggesting is that DeHaven wanted Moorman just to angle it near the sideline, but keep it in bounds, and Moorman basically couldn't/didn't do that and just kicked it out of bounds? There's a difference between kicking it out of bounds 45-50 yds. downfield, and pooching it out of bounds 25 yds. downfield, basically 15-25 yards. That's my take anyway. I think alot of teams are trying to get away from guys returning punts, and instead focusing on directional kicking. Moorman looked to not be able to successfully do that, so what good would keeping him do? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CowgirlsFan Posted September 27, 2012 Share Posted September 27, 2012 As reported by Jason LaCanfora at NFLN. Good luck #8...you will get plenty of chances to punt based on what I have seen of the Stars O... Stars....that's the hockey team here. I think you mean Cowboys O line. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bowery4 Posted September 27, 2012 Share Posted September 27, 2012 Good luck in Dallas Mr. Moorman and thanks for all your service in Bflo. the last 12 years Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zow2 Posted September 27, 2012 Share Posted September 27, 2012 Look, Powell is at the age where he is only gonna get better...he's a big man with a big leg...lots o hangtime. Moorman is at the age where he is declining. Great guy but everyone gets phased out eventually. I'm over this... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miyagi-Do Karate Posted September 27, 2012 Share Posted September 27, 2012 Exactly. That's what directional punting is. This is sort of inferential, but I think dehaven wanted moorman to kick the ball out of bounds the last 2 games because he didn't want any returns (we were playing again 2 good returners). I thought moorman did a nice job against KC and a so-so job against cleveland doing what I am presuming he was asked to do. But, regardless, as I think more about it, how do they do cut him right before the patriots? It's possibly the worst timing. The risks of bringing a new punter and holder are huge, esp given the Bills' notorious bad luck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted September 27, 2012 Share Posted September 27, 2012 This is sort of inferential, but I think dehaven wanted moorman to kick the ball out of bounds the last 2 games because he didn't want any returns (we were playing again 2 good returners). I thought moorman did a nice job against KC and a so-so job against cleveland doing what I am presuming he was asked to do. But, regardless, as I think more about it, how do they do cut him right before the patriots? It's possibly the worst timing. The risks of bringing a new punter and holder are huge, esp given the Bills' notorious bad luck. It's true, nix should account for bad luck and buffalo curses far more in his personnel choices Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ramius Posted September 27, 2012 Share Posted September 27, 2012 This confirms what we've seen. DeHaven doesn't trust his coverage unit, and probably hasn't since that Kerley TD punt return in the first game. So, instead of being on the hot seat, he tells Moorman to kick everything out of bounds? That's some brilliant ST coaching. In a certain respect I admire DeHaven. The guy has proven to be a below-average ST coach, most well-known for the Music City Disaster, and he knows it. The solution? John Potter, who kicks everything through the endzone. And directional punts out of bounds. No more screw-ups on the kick coverage. You do know that directional punting doesnt mean simply kicking OOB, dont you? Its kicking outside the hashmarks to limit the return possibilities. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PromoTheRobot Posted September 27, 2012 Share Posted September 27, 2012 It's true, nix should account for bad luck and buffalo curses far more in his personnel choices Seriously? Should Buddy consult a psychic before making personnel moves? PTR Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miyagi-Do Karate Posted September 27, 2012 Share Posted September 27, 2012 You do know that directional punting doesnt mean simply kicking OOB, dont you? Its kicking outside the hashmarks to limit the return possibilities. Yeah, I get that. But I don't think (again, basing this on inferences) that's what he was asked to do in the last few games. Sounded like from the articles that I read that they didn't want any returns with these guys, not just pinning the guy near the sideline in order to better cover. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimmy10 Posted September 27, 2012 Share Posted September 27, 2012 I am not one to second guess football decisions by any stretch. In the time it takes me to type this sentence, Buddy Nix will forget more about football than I'll ever know in my lifetime. But cutting a respected veteran and captain on the team the week of our biggest game of the season to date? Obviously one of the things our team has going for it is clubhouse chemistry, that's been clear pretty much since the beginning of the Chix regime. I really, really hope this doesn't backfire. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eball Posted September 27, 2012 Share Posted September 27, 2012 Congrats to Brian on landing with the Cowboys. With respect to the Bills, I, and several others on this board, openly suggested Moorman's job was very much in doubt at the start of training camp. His numbers -- particularly net average and punts inside the 20 -- had been in steady decline and the Bills brought in a highly-regarded rookie in Powell. To my surprise (and, truthfully, probably the Bills' as well), Moorman had a "lights out" camp (sorry Shawne) and preseason. I believe the Bills were ready and willing to give Moorman the boot, but they couldn't based upon his play this summer. Then, after seeing a pretty dismal performance during the first three games, they could finally make the move they wanted to make all along. That's my story and I'm sticking to it. I don't for a second believe any of this "Dehaven didn't like him" b.s. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miyagi-Do Karate Posted September 27, 2012 Share Posted September 27, 2012 That's my story and I'm sticking to it. I don't for a second believe any of this "Dehaven didn't like him" b.s. I don't think it was "not liking" him, but I wouldn't doubt that there was a disagreement over strategy. Gailey could have come right out and said there was no disagreement, but he was sort of cryptic about it (from bb.com): On if releasing P Brian Moorman was due to him having a conflict with a coach: I do not know if we would go that far. We all talked about it and we made the decision. It ultimately falls on me, but we made the decision that it was what we needed to do at this time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
papazoid Posted September 27, 2012 Share Posted September 27, 2012 hope he hits that scoreboard.... class act.... Bills player of the decade for the 2000's.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mattsox Posted September 27, 2012 Share Posted September 27, 2012 This is not a Ralf is cheep thing, its actually costing them more. So, I hope the new guy is actually better. Yeah, I don't really understand it, other than he hasn't been really good the past 3 games. Powell better boom it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eball Posted September 27, 2012 Share Posted September 27, 2012 I don't think it was "not liking" him, but I wouldn't doubt that there was a disagreement over strategy. Gailey could have come right out and said there was no disagreement, but he was sort of cryptic about it (from bb.com): On if releasing P Brian Moorman was due to him having a conflict with a coach: I do not know if we would go that far. We all talked about it and we made the decision. It ultimately falls on me, but we made the decision that it was what we needed to do at this time. Yeah, but none of this makes sense if the very punter they brought in is also a "booming" kick sort of punter, which is how Powell is characterized. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsBiker Posted September 27, 2012 Share Posted September 27, 2012 whooooo hooooooo! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted September 27, 2012 Share Posted September 27, 2012 Seriously? Should Buddy consult a psychic before making personnel moves? PTR atleast call one of those hotlines, if we arent going to have one on staff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FanofFredJackson Posted September 27, 2012 Share Posted September 27, 2012 My wish for Brian Moorman is that he will have such a good year punting for Dallas, that he makes it into the playoffs and eventually gets selected as a pro-bowl candidate for the NFC. I will always remember your great punts as well as the great fake punts you pulled off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dorkington Posted September 27, 2012 Share Posted September 27, 2012 Glad he found a job. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stenbar Posted September 27, 2012 Share Posted September 27, 2012 This confirms what we've seen. DeHaven doesn't trust his coverage unit, and probably hasn't since that Kerley TD punt return in the first game. So, instead of being on the hot seat, he tells Moorman to kick everything out of bounds? That's some brilliant ST coaching. In a certain respect I admire DeHaven. The guy has proven to be a below-average ST coach, most well-known for the Music City Disaster, and he knows it. The solution? John Potter, who kicks everything through the endzone. And directional punts out of bounds. No more screw-ups on the kick coverage. Only bad things have happened to the Bills on ST...In fact in all the yrs following the Bills in retrospect I cant remember one good play that won a game in the playoffs for the Bills on special teams concerning the kickers..Only ones that cost the game... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yungmack Posted September 27, 2012 Share Posted September 27, 2012 He is a good man, a great Bill and a fine punter. I hate to see him go, and I wish him and his family nothing but the best. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Butch Rolle 4 President Posted September 27, 2012 Share Posted September 27, 2012 http://www.brianmoorman.org/ Class act all the way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt in KC Posted September 27, 2012 Share Posted September 27, 2012 http://www.brianmoorman.org/ Class act all the way. You can say that again! People around the country know that Bills fans are passionate, but what they don't know is how big their hearts are. Year in and year out, I am amazed at how this community rallies to support any cause that rises up regardless of the region's economic struggles. That is the only reason why the P.U.N.T. Foundation has been able to help so many children with cancer, and why we will be able to continue to try and make their lives a little better. My wife Amber and I are committed to continue the P.U.N.T. Foundation's mission-- no matter where I land on my feet professionally-- and I hope that the community will continue to support the cause no matter where I am. Finally, just thank you. Thank you to Mr. Wilson, for being so kind and generous to me over the years. It has been an honor to play for your team and be a part of your organization. Thank you to all of my fans, especially those of of you that have worn number 8 over the years (a special thanks to those kids that told me they wore them to school for me today). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
walstib Posted September 27, 2012 Share Posted September 27, 2012 hope he hits that scoreboard.... class act.... Bills player of the decade for the 2000's.... ^^^ My sentiments exactly. May #8 continue a terrific career by punting early and often in Dallas. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChevyVanMiller Posted September 28, 2012 Share Posted September 28, 2012 (edited) Happy for such a class guy to find a new home so quickly, but hard to see him in this uni. Edited September 28, 2012 by ChevyVanMiller Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IslandBillsFan Posted September 28, 2012 Share Posted September 28, 2012 Hopefully he can hit the Jumbotron a few times. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsWatch Posted September 28, 2012 Share Posted September 28, 2012 Why would the Bills try to make him look bad? PTR Not intentionally make him bad. Coaching philosophy has skewed his statistics. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GG Posted September 29, 2012 Share Posted September 29, 2012 Why would the Bills try to make him look bad? PTR Because they're like any other organization where an incompetent middle manager tries to cover up his shortcomings by blaming underlings? Please remind me again about Bruce DeHaven's greatness when he didn't have Tasker & Pike on the roster. From our resident Canadian lush scribe "I don't want to say anything that would denigrate Brian in any way,'' DeHaven said. "He had a great career here. He's got a great reputation in town. The move has been made and I don't want to say anything that might be misconstrued as something negative about Brian, to be honest with you.'' Moorman's agent, Ron Raccuia, questioned DeHaven's comments. In a text sent to The Associated Press, Raccuia wrote: "Now isn't the time to discuss Bruce DeHaven, but it's nice to hear that he's done saying things to denigrate Brian.'' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevestojan Posted September 29, 2012 Share Posted September 29, 2012 (edited) Why is this such a big deal, many have asked. During the last 12 years we have had little, if anything, to be excited about. The fact that Bills fans often labeled our punter as "the best player on the team" is both sad (because of the inherent meaning behind punting) but also a testament to Moorman. The guy embraced WNY. He was the Bills. And he performed excellently. Over dramatic? You bet. But to tell me a guy who spends less than a week on the market gets picked up by Jerry tells you something. Were his best days behind him? Yes. Did he deserve the respect (while in absolutely no way "harming" the team) to at least keep wearing a Bills jersey for the rest of this season? Holy **** YES. Edited September 29, 2012 by stevestojan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D521646 Posted September 29, 2012 Share Posted September 29, 2012 To me Moorman is always a Bill.. Even if he has a brief stint as a Cowboy. Love ya Brian!! Tim- Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miyagi-Do Karate Posted September 29, 2012 Share Posted September 29, 2012 Because they're like any other organization where an incompetent middle manager tries to cover up his shortcomings by blaming underlings? Please remind me again about Bruce DeHaven's greatness when he didn't have Tasker & Pike on the roster. From our resident Canadian lush scribe Unreal. Very clear that DeHaven ousted him. Ridiculous. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gray Beard Posted September 29, 2012 Share Posted September 29, 2012 Because they're like any other organization where an incompetent middle manager tries to cover up his shortcomings by blaming underlings? Please remind me again about Bruce DeHaven's greatness when he didn't have Tasker & Pike on the roster. From our resident Canadian lush scribe Perhaps this move is representative of what has plagued the Bills for many years. The player talent is good enough to be respectable. It is the coaching and other behind the scenes activities that have been holding the team back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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