Booger Posted September 7, 2012 Share Posted September 7, 2012 http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap1000000059374/article/forbes-buffalo-bills-are-nfls-most-troubled-franchise?module=HP11_headline_stack So what constitutes "Most Troubled"? The fact that they make 100 million this year vs. 200 million because they signed Mario Williams? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LabattBlue Posted September 7, 2012 Share Posted September 7, 2012 "..We don't expect the proud citizenry of upstate New York to take kindly to flaming arrows from a magazine obsessed with the rich.". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IslandBillsFan Posted September 7, 2012 Share Posted September 7, 2012 This article (if you can even call it that) has no reasons or logic to it. Just a couple paragraphs to fill some space. What a joke. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CodeMonkey Posted September 7, 2012 Share Posted September 7, 2012 http://www.nfl.com/n..._headline_stack So what constitutes "Most Troubled"? The fact that they make 100 million this year vs. 200 million because they signed Mario Williams? Michael Ozanian, executive editor at Forbes, said the small market, old stadium and ownership uncertainty all led to the "most troubled" description. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buftex Posted September 7, 2012 Share Posted September 7, 2012 Michael Ozanian, executive editor at Forbes, said the small market, old stadium and ownership uncertainty all led to the "most troubled" description. What? Are you some kind of code monkey or somethin'? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris heff Posted September 7, 2012 Share Posted September 7, 2012 Magazines still exist? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsGuyInMalta Posted September 7, 2012 Share Posted September 7, 2012 Well...I guess we better win the whole thing this year then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MARCELL DAREUS POWER Posted September 7, 2012 Share Posted September 7, 2012 Michael Ozanian, executive editor at Forbes, said the small market, old stadium and ownership uncertainty all led to the "most troubled" description. wait, green bay, cleveland, minnesota, cincy, kc, saints, etc etc... lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerball Posted September 7, 2012 Share Posted September 7, 2012 Yeah, I'd say unsettled. Ownership is the biggest question surrounding this team. Until that is resolved things are unsettled. (think "up in the air" if the word unsettled bothers you) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ny33 Posted September 7, 2012 Share Posted September 7, 2012 wait, green bay, cleveland, minnesota, cincy, kc, saints, etc etc... lol D Lambeau has been sold out for decades. It's impossible to place the Packers in the same category as those teams. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SF Bills Fan Posted September 7, 2012 Share Posted September 7, 2012 That is a stupid comment. The Raiders, Jacksonville and Rams are troubled franchises. The Bills are not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gugny Posted September 7, 2012 Share Posted September 7, 2012 That is a stupid comment. The Raiders, Jacksonville and Rams are troubled franchises. The Bills are not. What takes the Bills out of that list, though? Seriously. If anything, put the Bills in and take the Rams out. The quote from the executive editor says it all - small market, old stadium and uncertain ownership. No other team is facing those three things simultaneously. It's a sad truth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloWest Posted September 7, 2012 Share Posted September 7, 2012 Dont forget the Chargers....They have a total crap stadium , a team on the decline, blackouts looming and almots a ZERO chance to get a new stadium built...Oh yeah, and what about Tampa Bay-Already blacked out in week one, and Cinci who didnt sell out one game last year...F this guy, just another hack looking to make waves because he is a nobody. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CodeMonkey Posted September 7, 2012 Share Posted September 7, 2012 Actually what I found interesting was that being valued at $805 million put the Bills at 29th in the NFL. !@#$ me there is a lot of money in tackle football huh. My net worth should be a lowly $805 million. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coach Tuesday Posted September 7, 2012 Share Posted September 7, 2012 The Buccanneers' home opener is blacked out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bonechiller Posted September 7, 2012 Share Posted September 7, 2012 The Buccanneers' home opener is blacked out. Now that's "troubled" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Best Player Available Posted September 7, 2012 Share Posted September 7, 2012 Do the Jags re-use the tarps to cover up entire sections of seats every year, or is the league paying for new ones? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe W Posted September 7, 2012 Share Posted September 7, 2012 Do the Jags re-use the tarps to cover up entire sections of seats every year, or is the league paying for new ones? The Bills playing a game in Toronto is equivalent to tarping 9000 seats per game.The Forbes description is right and Bills fans have to cometo grips that this could be their last season in Buffalo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmur66 Posted September 7, 2012 Share Posted September 7, 2012 I am cancelling my Forbes subscription and selling all my Buffalo Bills stock. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsWatch Posted September 7, 2012 Share Posted September 7, 2012 Magazines still exist? They need something for waiting rooms of doctor's offices (usually magazines some there would have bought anyways and can deduct now) and to place advertising in, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K-9 Posted September 7, 2012 Share Posted September 7, 2012 (edited) The Bills playing a game in Toronto is equivalent to tarping 9000 seats per game.The Forbes description is right and Bills fans have to cometo grips that this could be their last season in Buffalo I'd love to see the reasoning behind that statement. Before you provide it, assuming you can, you may wish to acquaint yourself with the financial details of the deal. Carry on. GO BILLS!!! Edited September 7, 2012 by K-9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
apuszczalowski Posted September 7, 2012 Share Posted September 7, 2012 Lol, man people here need to remove the rose colored glasses sometimes and look around at the real world. This isn't an article from Sports Illustrated making the comment because of the product they are puuting on the field, this is a business magazine thats making the comment because of the financial situation and the business side of the franchise. They are the most troubled because as they said, The Bills have a 93+ year old owner whos health has been better (and uncertainty as to whats gonna happen when hes gone), an old outdated stadium (compared to others in the league), and are in one of the smallest markets in the league thats been hit tough financially. Add all of that together and thats reason enough to give them the title of most troubled. Jacksonville - Tough market and maybe not the best stadium, but they just picked up a new owner who has committed to keeping the team there Raiders - Ownership is a little more stable then in Buffalo with family keeping the team and lloking for a new stadium, but they are in or close to one of the biggest markets and the league. if they are going to move, it will be near by to LA keeping them close enough to where they were from San Diego - Biggest problem is wanting to get a new stadium, and just like oakland, they could relocate to LA and be close enough to where they were from St Louis - They have had troubles on the field for a while, but besides an expired lease deal thats being argued/negotiated, the have an owner with the money to bid on the Dodgers so they aren't in financial troubles. Tampa - They have a newer stadium and are in a bigger market. Minneosota - Old Stadium, but in a larger market Nothing is to say that any of the teams I just listed won't run into an issue that might cause them to sell, or be moved, but right now, the chances are greastest of something happening in buffalo first because of the combination of issues. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe W Posted September 7, 2012 Share Posted September 7, 2012 I'd love to see the reasoning behind that statement. Before you provide it, assuming you can, you may wish to acquaint yourself with the financial details of the deal. Carry on. GO BILLS!!! It's simple the Bills play one less home game than the rest of the league, divide the stadium capacity 73000 by 8 and you've decreased the number of tickets you have to sell - 9K+ per game. If ogrs decides to renew the Toronto series the amount they'll pay the Bills will be half what they're paying now - bank on it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
apuszczalowski Posted September 7, 2012 Share Posted September 7, 2012 It's simple the Bills play one less home game than the rest of the league, divide the stadium capacity 73000 by 8 and you've decreased the number of tickets you have to sell - 9K+ per game. If ogrs decides to renew the Toronto series the amount they'll pay the Bills will be half what they're paying now - bank on it. Sure........... You would have sounded more believable/reasonable if you had just said that teh Rogers Centre holds less people for football then RWS instead. I am sure that the amount the Bills were paid for those games is enough to cover what they would have made that game if it were played at RWS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe W Posted September 7, 2012 Share Posted September 7, 2012 Sure........... You would have sounded more believable/reasonable if you had just said that teh Rogers Centre holds less people for football then RWS instead. I am sure that the amount the Bills were paid for those games is enough to cover what they would have made that game if it were played at RWS. You miss the point, the Bills only play 7 Home Games Brandon only has to sell 530,000 tickets - this is equivalent to tarping 9,000 seats. That the Bills have blackouts with this few seats to sell contributes to the "most troubled franchise" statement Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K-9 Posted September 7, 2012 Share Posted September 7, 2012 It's simple the Bills play one less home game than the rest of the league, divide the stadium capacity 73000 by 8 and you've decreased the number of tickets you have to sell - 9K+ per game. If ogrs decides to renew the Toronto series the amount they'll pay the Bills will be half what they're paying now - bank on it. That doesn't come close to explaining how playing a game in Toronto is the same as tarping 9,000 seats. When you tarp 9,000 seats, you don't see revenues from 9,000 lost ticket sales. The Toronto game PAYS the Bills more than if they played that game at a sold out RWS. And the Bills don't have to sell one more ticket one way or the other to realize that. GO BILLS!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Barbarian Posted September 7, 2012 Share Posted September 7, 2012 http://www.nfl.com/n..._headline_stack So what constitutes "Most Troubled"? The fact that they make 100 million this year vs. 200 million because they signed Mario Williams? What evs, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillnutinHouston Posted September 7, 2012 Share Posted September 7, 2012 Relatively speaking, "tickets sold" by itself has little to do with the Bills being a troubled franchise. The much bigger issues are the low rates they can charge for suites, advertising, sponsorships, and yes, tickets. All of this is a function of a small and relatively poor population, and this of course also plays into how unlikely it is that the area could financially support a new stadium. The fact is financially, Buffalo is a weak sister of the NFL anyway you slice it. But shame on Ralph for looking to Toronto. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SF Bills Fan Posted September 7, 2012 Share Posted September 7, 2012 What takes the Bills out of that list, though? Seriously. If anything, put the Bills in and take the Rams out. The quote from the executive editor says it all - small market, old stadium and uncertain ownership. No other team is facing those three things simultaneously. It's a sad truth. the Rams paly in a market that is babseball crazy and indifferent to football (they already lost the Cards). They have a stadium that is not extremely old, but the team has a provision that allows for them to leave if the stadium is not renovated so that it is in the top tier with the new stadiums. It doesn't look like they will get the money. In addition, the owner is very close frioends and business partners with the guy that is building a stadium in LA and wants a team there. He has made no indication that he is loyal to St. Louis. The Rams will be back in LA in in 2 years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe W Posted September 7, 2012 Share Posted September 7, 2012 That doesn't come close to explaining how playing a game in Toronto is the same as tarping 9,000 seats. When you tarp 9,000 seats, you don't see revenues from 9,000 lost ticket sales. The Toronto game PAYS the Bills more than if they played that game at a sold out RWS. And the Bills don't have to sell one more ticket one way or the other to realize that. GO BILLS!!! You miss the point, this has nothing to do with revenue and everything to do with tickets to sell and fan support. If you can't see it theres no use me trying to explain it to you. Revenue is a whole other story. That $10 million / game is long gone, Rogers is probably offering Brandon around $4 million to attempt to break even or try to recoup what they've lost on the series. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K-9 Posted September 7, 2012 Share Posted September 7, 2012 Relatively speaking, "tickets sold" by itself has little to do with the Bills being a troubled franchise. The much bigger issues are the low rates they can charge for suites, advertising, sponsorships, and yes, tickets. All of this is a function of a small and relatively poor population, and this of course also plays into how unlikely it is that the area could financially support a new stadium. The fact is financially, Buffalo is a weak sister of the NFL anyway you slice it. But shame on Ralph for looking to Toronto. It's too bad we play a home game in Toronto, but nobody can fault the Bills for seeking to expand their market into a larger swath of Southern Ontario. Canadian fans have been flocking to Bills games since the beginning of the franchise. GO BILLS!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CardinalScotts Posted September 7, 2012 Share Posted September 7, 2012 ya its horrible that's why Ralph has been trying to sell the team for so long- NOT. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CBD Posted September 7, 2012 Share Posted September 7, 2012 (edited) The Bills playing a game in Toronto is equivalent to tarping 9000 seats per game.The Forbes description is right and Bills fans have to cometo grips that this could be their last season in Buffalo What's the equivalent to playing one game in London and tarping 9000 seats? Also, what city is ready to take an NFL franchise for the 2013 season? Edited September 7, 2012 by Carey Bender Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K-9 Posted September 7, 2012 Share Posted September 7, 2012 You miss the point, this has nothing to do with revenue and everything to do with tickets to sell and fan support. If you can't see it theres no use me trying to explain it to you. Revenue is a whole other story. That $10 million / game is long gone, Rogers is probably offering Brandon around $4 million to attempt to break even or try to recoup what they've lost on the series. I agree. It's probably a good idea not trying to explain it to me. As for the future of the Toronto series, I also agree. Rogers did a terrible job and I can't see them giving the Bills the same $11m per game. So instead of the Bills doubling what they would make on a home game at RWS, it will be more like $7m-8m per game if Rogers and the Bills split the current difference. GO BILLS!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe W Posted September 7, 2012 Share Posted September 7, 2012 What's the equivalent to playing one game in London and tarping 9000 seats? Also, what city is ready to take an NFL franchise for the 2013 season? Answers: 1. Equivalent to tarping another 9000 seats 2. Los Angeles - Rose bowl or Coliseum until new stadium is built, NFL teams have a one month window in Jan 2013 to state if they are going to move there for the 2013 season, coincidently the Bills lease is expired then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dwight in philly Posted September 7, 2012 Share Posted September 7, 2012 what as fans, are we supposed to do? we cant change the population size, economy, etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsWatch Posted September 7, 2012 Share Posted September 7, 2012 Relatively speaking, "tickets sold" by itself has little to do with the Bills being a troubled franchise. The much bigger issues are the low rates they can charge for suites, advertising, sponsorships, and yes, tickets. All of this is a function of a small and relatively poor population, cheap fans and this of course also plays into how unlikely it is that the area could financially support a new stadium. The fact is financially, Buffalo is a weak sister of the NFL anyway you slice it. But shame on Ralph for looking to Toronto. Fixed. Fans complain about Ralph being cheap because it is easy to spend someone else's money but if Bills were getting money for tickets sold to opposing fans then money problems would be a lot less. There are plenty of seats in the stadium which could be sold at higher ticket prices but once again you would have complaints. And nothing wrong with marketing to Toronto but just wish it was done better by Rogers Corporation who seems to think getting a team to play there is enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CodeMonkey Posted September 7, 2012 Share Posted September 7, 2012 what as fans, are we supposed to do? we cant change the population size, economy, etc. Piss and moan on forums such as this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dwight in philly Posted September 7, 2012 Share Posted September 7, 2012 Piss and moan on forums such as this. good answer! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BiggieScooby Posted September 7, 2012 Share Posted September 7, 2012 (edited) I can debunk this Wall Streeters asinine thesis, in one simple statement; the Buffalo Bills have ZERO LONG TERM DEBT and have a viable 8 million population when counting Ontario, Erie PA, Rochester, Syracuse and Buffalo. The argument can be made that Ralph is old and hence ownership is unsettled and the stadium is old, but an argument cannot be made that the finances aren't right. If the state of NY steps up and helps finance renovations and a new iron clad lease this will do much to settle the "uncertainty". To hell with these Wall Street elites (many of whom are Jets fans) saying the Bills days are numbered. The Bills best days are ahead of us! GO BILLS!!!!!! Edited September 7, 2012 by BiggieScooby Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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